Frank Mir's House of Cards
by Michael Rome on May 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
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The new Frank Mir interview at MMA Weekly is getting a lot of attention this morning:
"I’m a martial artist; he’s a professional fighter," said Mir. "He fights because he gets paid to fight. If the UFC were to go bankrupt tomorrow, a month later I would still be in some small organization fighting. Not because I need to; my house is paid off, my cars are paid; I don’t need the money as far as desperately.
"I fight because I enjoy fighting. I enjoy the preparation and the training and the mindset, everything that goes behind it. I don’t know if we can say the same about Lesnar. If Lesnar was making $10,000, would he show up to fight?"
Until his last fight, the idea that Mir "enjoys the preparation and training" of fighting would have been a punch line. He used to spend most of his time bouncing at a local Las Vegas club instead of training full-time, an inconvenient fact given the narrative he wants to put out now. I don't begrudge him at all for making the extra money he needed, but he routinely came into fights in terrible shape because he didn't do the right things.
It's also a bit hollow to criticize Brock for fighting for money. The man left a lot on the table by leaving professional wrestling, and he lives out in the woods in a cabin with no internet. The idea that he is just in it for the money is ridiculous, I'd like to see a comparison of Mir's lifestyle to Lesnar's to see who's really more interested in money.
Mir also continues to point out the fact that Brock got a title shot when he was 1-1, without acknowledging that he got his title shot by beating a guy that was 0-0 in the UFC. Mir's entire comeback started when he beat Lesnar in his UFC debut. Mir got all the star rub from the victory, and now begrudges Lesnar for getting an unearned title shot. Neither Mir nor Lesnar "deserved" their title shot, but both of them won the title, so it doesn't really matter at this point.
I imagine the shit talking is going to reach epic proportions before this fight. Both guys are great at getting under the skin of their opponents, it should be fun to watch.
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Comments like this are why I have always considered Mir a first-rate d-bag.
While he scored a win over Lesnar the first time around, he was getting his face smashed in before Brock got too excited and made a “rookie” mistake.
Seeing how far Lesnar has come in his last two fights, you know, the ones where he shattered Heath Herring’s orbital bone and beat up a UFC legend in Randy Couture, makes me think he won’t make the same mistake again and Mir could be in for a world of hurt.
Brock was a few moments from pounding Mir out before Mazzagatti saved him. Our Mr. Martial Artist was getting his face rearranged and wasn’t exactly putting up a lot of resistance. To make matters worse, the guy doing it to him was that very same professional fighter he’s now belittling.
Sure, Mir stopped Nogueira, but he’s going to have his hands full just trying to hang with Brock.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on May 4, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock was a few moments from pounding Mir out before Mazzagatti saved him.
Yeah! Damn that Mazzagatti, enforcing the rules like that! Down with rules!
Name one other fight where Maz took position and a point from a fighter for one shot to the back of the head.
And while you’re doing that, ignore every other fight when he says ‘watch the back of the head’ at least once.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all anti-Lesnar, I know. I’m agreeing with you, If anything, Mazzagatti has proven, in the hundreds of Lesnar fights, how biased he is against him. It didn’t surprise me at all that he would choose to enforce the rules against Lesnar.
I say, next time Lesnar is repeatedly pounding on the back of someones head, the ref better remember who is doing the pounding and back off!
Mazzagatti sucks, down with rules (for lesnar)!
You’re deliberately misrepresenting my argument (that Maz’s deduction of Lesnar was inconsistent with his previous reffing) for something else.
by Derek Suboticki on May 5, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
It seems you can’t watch a UFC event without hearing a back of the head strike warning a couple times. It happens, which is why a warning is usually issued, not an immediate point deduction.
While he scored a win over Lesnar the first time around, he was getting his face smashed in before Brock got too excited and made a "rookie" mistake.
Yeah! Lesnar was winning until he lost!
lawl
I think you're missing the point
That noob that many think is a joke and is bad for the sport, and who Mir repeatedly puts down….was in fact smashing his face in. I’m not debating the end result of the match, the better fighter won that night. But it was mighty fucking scary for Mir up to that submission. Now fast forward to today with a more composed Lesnar….I would be scared if I was Mir.
up until that point
Mir was having his ass handed to him, he got lucky, like it or not, Mir got damned lucky. We have never seen a fight where the ref stops the action without even a warning about a blow to the back of the head, if there was a warning, that fight could have ended much differently.
Except — Mazzagatti DID warn him, and Lesnar didn’t stop. Problem 1 with your perception. Problem 2: You don’t get a “lucky” submission… Watch it again, he sets it up and executes it. Don’t blame Mir because Lesnar was an overconfident dumbass.
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how about you go back and watch the fight…..maz did NOT warn Lesnar, when the strike happened (Mir turned his head away which is why the strike happened) Maz jumped in almost immediately, called a time out and deducted a point. There was no warning at all. Your problem number 1 answer is flawed. I agree that Mir set up and executed the sub nicely. Now, fast forward to today and we’ll see what happens. Nice fighter bashing too by the way. I hope Mir gets his face crushed in….and if that happens I bet you’ll be strangely silent in the posting………
How is it that we continue to get caught up in all the phony hype and shit talk that leads up to a fight?
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
;-)
I think it’s because you’re basically all morons.
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by Richard Wade on May 5, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hype by design for UFC 100?
Is it possible that Dana & Co have instructed Mir and Brock to remove all filters and let the mudslinging and slander fly as part of the pre-hype for 100? UFC100 is the landmark UFC event, they know it and want as much interest generated as possible. Mir is usually fairly boring in his comments and Brock typically doesn’t speak unless he’s on UFC cameras; so I have to wonder if they’ve both been told to stir the pot in the lead up to 100.
I definitely begrudge Lesnar for his anti-gay sympathies, but with every new interview, Mir seems even more and more detached from reality.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I find myself really torn between loving Lesnar and hating him for that exact reason. The anti-gay stuff really frosts me, but Mir’s arrogance is just as much as a turn off.
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I hate Brock's homophobia
My gay older brother is upstairs as we speak.
That being said, Lesnar by murder.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with Lesnar’s anti-gay stance.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t share his opinion, but is what he said really that bad?
Lesnar never claimed homosexuals were evil, or going to hell, or a blight upon society. He never advocated violence against them, or that they need be ‘cured’ of their sexuality.
He just said “I don’t like gays”.
Big deal.
I’ve said much worse about bible thumping fundamentalists, creationists, and drunken ass-hat frat boys.
Honestly, I find what Lesnar said much less offensive than the passive-aggressive shit spewed by Evangelicals about ‘curing’ homos of their cock loving tendencies. Or the straight up homophobia peddled by your average Sherdogger.
I wouldn't go that far...
But I get what you’re saying. Its not AS bad as someone claiming that homosexuality needs to be cured, but just because his comments weren’t that inflammatory doesn’t mean they were okay either.
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Are there worse offenders? Yes.
Does it change the fact that he is one? No.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Mir! Now With 20% More Douche!
Just when I was coming around to liking him. =/
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
same
I was buying into the working hard and making a comeback story line, but this bs throws all of that out the window.
Can I root for both guys to loose? Double KO?
Or… Maybe Randy Couture comes in over the cage and knocks them both out with a double flying knee Tony Jaa Style
I’ll be rooting for Lesnar on this one. Hopefully he rocks him and instead of going in for some GNP he grabs his leg and heel hooks him just to spite him :D.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
At the WEC 40 event he was glad to take pictures but would not speak a word to any of the fans – I thought that was kinda d-baggy
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Like Rome said,
I find it funny that a guy living in Vegas would talk about money or lifestyle compared to a guy who lives in the Minnesota woods without internet. Mir is doing his job though in hyping the fight & he has never been one to keep his mouth shut.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Mir once again says absurd things in an interview regarding Lesnar. He often tries so hard to sound intelligent, that his comments end up sounding either absurd or non-sensical. Somehow, he now believes he’s the consummate martial artist and epitomizes preparation, strategy, and conditioning. I think he’ll find out otherwise in July, and the reality will be a harsh one.
I guess Lesnar "GOTS"
to have the money!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Were that the case
He’d be WWE Champ right now.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
One more funny point that I find interesting
is that Lesnar for sure made (multiples) more in wrestling than Mir has in his entire MMA career, so the idea that money is his sole reason for fighting seems a little silly.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
yeah...
and he wasn’t chased out of the business or anything. He hated the fucking lifestyle. They were flying him around in a personal jet to try and help him cope with his travel issues and he walked away.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 4, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, that is why Mir's comments are hilarious,
even though I do not take them as more than hype. He really should actually talk shit about something that is applicable to Lesnar. McMahon/WWE hawked Lesnar for years trying to get him to come back, so imagine the money he turned down after he left.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It is all sort of confusing, really...
During the TUF season where Mir was the coach he came off as a world-class d-bag jackhole. After he beat Nogerra, the speech he gave at the end was rather inspiring, and very unexpected. I began to think, ‘huh, I wonder which is the real Frank Mir?’. Then I saw a few interviews where he came off pretty cool and thought he might be cool after all.
I also saw the interview on Inside MMA with Ron Kruk with Brock and HE came off pretty chill, when every other time I’ve seen him he was a ‘Im huge and can kick your ass, you pussy’ kind of guy. I didn’t like him. After the Inside MMA interview, though, I got the sense of the real Brock Lesnar, the Brock Lesnar that hangs out with his wife or his friends, the guy that is in the woods hunting. It made me realize that perhaps the Brock we all know, the one that makes you hate him, is still perhaps the WWE heel selling a product (in this case, himself).
I guess the point I’m trying to make is that I expect heated comments from both camps up until the fight. Then I expect Lesnar to crush Frank Mir. Sorry, Frank, but Lesnar is a freak of nature (and perhaps science! hint hint), big as a house, fast as a cat, and if he learns as much between his fight with Coutour and you like he did between Herring and Coutour, you are in big, big trouble. This won’t got the distance….
by mightyhokie on May 4, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And this isn't mir selling himself?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
What a joker
Mir needs to realize quickly that he is turning fans off. The Nog win totally ballooned his head. He had an earnest modesty leading into that fight, but right after his victory speech, something clicked. Suddenly he’s doing Ecko commercials talking about how he can fuck up everyone in the world and saying shit like this. Athletes have an unspoken rule among men that they don’t ever talk about someone else’s money. Mir is way out of line even bringing this up, nevermind that he’s totally wrong. He lives in fucking Alexandria. I’ve been to Alexandria. You can hardly drive a quarter mile down the road without hitting a deer. Lesnar rid himself of all of his riches when he left the wrestling business. He doesn’t drive fancy cars, his house isn’t full of expensive electronics, he doesn’t travel for leisure and he definitely can’t be found hanging out in clubs unless he’s doing an promotional appearance like he did after his fight at UFC 87.
Now I wish these guys were fighting in three weeks like originally planned so Mir could shut the fuck up already..
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Lesnar rid himself of all of his riches when he left the wrestling business. He doesn’t drive fancy cars, his house isn’t full of expensive electronics, he doesn’t travel for leisure and he definitely can’t be found hanging out in clubs unless he’s doing an promotional appearance like he did after his fight at UFC 87.
Where do people get this stuff from? Yes Brock Lesnar doesn’t care about cars or the internet but lets not act like he gave it all up and became some backwoods survivalist the dude is still filthy rich married to a playboy model(who is also filthy rich) living in a mansion. Just because the guy doesn’t care about fancy cars or the freaken internet doesn’t mean that they don’t care about money.
No one ever said Lesnar did not care about money &
for that matter why would we fault him for that? Lesnar lives ina glorified cabin in the mountains & drives a pickup & some sort of small import (less than $15,000) car. It is hardly a mansion. Mir brought this up, not us dude.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Lesnars small car wasn’t an import. I remember from watching the UFC show about fighters, sorry can’t remember it’s name. Lesnar got out of a Chevy Aveo, made the thing look like a freaking clown car.
My mistake,
so even less than what I thought then.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Chevy Aveo: Rebranded Daewoo.
Teeeeechnically an import.
by inadvertentgroinstrike on May 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen some of those Aveo’s loaded with leather interiors that get up close to $20k, which I guess is a sign of the times. What I always wondered was how Lesnar fit behind the wheel.
This is really ridiculous man.
Now you are lying about how much a fucking Chevy Aveo costs to try & back your argument up. A fully loaded, brand new Chevy Aveo is $16,000 & if you saw Lesnar’s UFC special, that car was far from brand new.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
WTF? I wasn’t arguing anything at all I was just saying that I have seen them loaded up (which is silly). Is there something wronq with you mentally? Are you just trying to pick a fight with me? It’s a freaken Aveo it is irrelevant but if you really don’t believe I have seem them close to $20k: http://www.stevenschevrolet.com/ViewVehicle.asp?ID=107
Good god you are a jack ass, please just leave me the hell alone.
You are seriously delusional man.
You are the moron that had to bring up how you have seen Chevy Aveo’s with leather and all that to somehow make it like it is a luxury car. Quit your fucking crying & telling people “to leave me alone” waahhhhhh
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I was making fun of the car, how can you not understand that? I wasn’t saying it was a luxury car I was making fun of how silly it is to put that crap in one or to charge that much for an Aveo. You are so deep into this that you apparently can’t see out of your own bubble, that comment had nothing at all to do with Brock Lesnar it was just me poking fun at a shitty car and that was plainly obvious.
Lesnar rid himself of all of his riches when he left the wrestling business.
You said Lesnar didn’t care about money and that’s is what I am commenting on.
I'm not even sure what you're arguing
I didn’t say the guy is broke. I said he cares less about money than Mir is suggesting, because he was making millions annually in the WWE. It’s a pretty obvious point. Stop grinding your teeth..
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Roger that. Point is that he’s making significantly less to fight and Who Me is suggesting that Lesnar quit because he hated the travel. Sure, but a money hungry individual would have stuck with it because he was making millions and millions of dollars.
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That’s the thing he isn’t making significantly less money now, heck with a PPV cut he may be making more. He quit the WWE because that is a shitty life to live not because he doesn’t care about the money. I mean seriously working for the WWE is a very hard life.
Yes.... He.... Is.
He was making many millions of dollars in WWE. Do some research.
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He walked away from a 7 year, 45 million dollar deal 2 years into it, I believe.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
About 6 million a year(and I have heard people say that was wrong, Triple H only makes around 2 million a year and he’s married to the bosses daughter). Are we supposed to believe that they were paying Brock 6 million a year but were only paying Kurt Angle 1 million a year?
Still even if that number is correct with his pay and a PPV cut he could get to that number or beyond with MMA.
Yes, you are supposed to believe that, because it’s true.
And there’s no way he makes that in MMA, unless he fights 4-5 times a year.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Do you have a source on that? Seriously I’ve never heard anything but rumors and would like to see a official source.
He wouldn’t have to fight 4-5 fights if he has a PPV cut (which most likely he does). He’s had some of the highest drawing fights in UFC history with a PPV cut he is making Chuck money which would put him in that area.
The 7 year, 45 million dollar deal is a myth
This is a widely perpetrated myth. At the height of his career Lesnar was making less than 2 million a year even with bonuses and merchandising royalties. His downside guarantee was about $1 million a year, as was revealed in court documents during his lawsuit against the WWE regarding their draconian no-compete clause. He was still making a hell of a lot of money by wrestling standards, but people somehow blew this all out of proportion.
Lesnar did leave the WWE for what would have been a lot less money to play in the NFL though, and I don’t think the guy’s obsessed with money.
That’s what I thought(and what Dave Meltzer has been saying):
Lesnar walked out on the WWE in 2004, shortly after signing a new $1 million-per-year guaranteed contract through 2010 because he grew to hate the arduous travel schedule. And, in the back of his mind, he wanted to play pro football before the window of opportunity closed. After never playing the sport since high school, he asked the WWE to let him out of his contract, saying he wanted to play in the NFL. WWE agreed, but in his release papers, the company decreed he couldn’t participate in either pro wrestling with a rival organization, or MMA, anywhere in the world for the duration of the contract.
Lesnar went to the Minnesota Vikings camp and played in several preseason games in 2004 before being a late cut. But the Vikings were impressed enough to recommend him for NFL Europe, but one of the key reasons he left wrestling was that he was never home to see his family, in particular his young daughter, and his wife, former well-known wrestling personality and Playboy cover model Rena “Sable” Mero. Plus, he now admits, he was relieved the day he was cut. He was so far behind when it came to football that he realized it wasn’t for him.
“You have to feel confident and I didn’t,” Lesnar said about his brief NFL experience. “I realized I was unprepared at the Vikings training camp. I was thinking to myself, ‘What am I doing here?’ Because of my lack of experience, I felt it wasn’t for me.”
The next problem was his WWE release. He began wrestling in Japan, even though the release prohibited it, leading to a lengthy court fight. He argued that the WWE was keeping him from making a living during the prime of his athletic life.
In the settlement, Lesnar was allowed to do basically anything he wanted to do. Although he doesn’t talk bad about WWE today, Lesnar said he liked the wrestling itself, just grew to despise the travel and didn’t like what it was doing to his body.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-102507lesnar&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Brock beat 1 million in 2008 before it even comes time to talk about PPV percentages. He also could of beat that in the NFL if he’d made became a starter. He took a risk leaving the WWE but it’s not like he definatly was taking a huge pay cut, the dude definatly isn’t stupid he knows what he is worth and what he is capable of.
He didn’t rid himself of any riches he just stopped working for the WWE. He was making millions annually with the WWE and he is making millions annually from the UFC, how is that a sign that he now even cares less about the money?
Oh and you didn’t say that he cares less about money than Mir is suggesting you said.
Lesnar rid himself of all of his riches when he left the wrestling business.There is quite a bit of difference between that and saying “Mir is exagerating”.
Are you seriously this dense?
You sound like you are more upset that Lesnar made millions doing anything. I have not seen anyone saying Lesnar does not like to get paid, obviously the majority of the population wants to get pd & get pd well for whatever they do. Mir-is stating Lesnar is only fighting for the money. That is what we are arguing here.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I’m not upset about anything Lesnar did or does, hell I’m normally the first one to defend the guy my problem is 100% people in the thread making stupid statements.
At this point yes it does. I tried to show a point and got drug into the very same crap I was fighting against. I mean seriously what is wrong with people(including me).
Props to you
You gained my respect., not that it matters to you probably, but it’s good that you manned up to that fact. I find this whole argument quite ridiculous actually. I see both sides of this argument. Of course he fights for the money, so does every other fighter, it’s their job. I like my job but I wouldn’t do it for free. Everybody has to care about money because that’s how the world works. I play softball because I like to play softball. For Mir to say that Lesnar is only fighting for the money though is ridiculous as well. He obviously has a passion for it or he wouldn’t be working so hard to improve. He would be half assing it, like Mir used to do. Mir is a hypocrite to the highest power. If Mir didn’t make the money he did then he’d be fighting in the smaller shows but his focus would be on whatever brings in the money. What we should be saying about Brock is that he obviously doesn’t care much for material things. He’s a simple man and that’s fine. I’m the same way, a big purchase to me is a new fishing pole or a used MMA DVD. Sport isn’t like it was back in the old days. Nobody plays purely for the love of the sport. It’s big business and they play for the money and for the love of the sport. Some just play for the money though and you can tell who that is. That’s how I see it anyway.
It does matter to me, I got caught up in silly internet crap instead of sticking to my point and that made me just as wrong as what I was trying to disprove.
Here is where I see a big difference, I didn’t see anywhere in that quote where Mir said that Brock Lesnar only fights for money. He asked if Brock would be doing it for 10k a fight and lets be real he most likely wouldn’t. People took that statement and ran with it to the extreme and are painting Mir with a brush of their own making. Heck Brock’s arguement against his WWE no compete clause in court was that they were keeping him from earning a living while in his athletic prime, his own court argument was that the WWE wasn’t allowing him to go make money. That doesn’t mean that the only reason he does MMA is for the money but then Frank Mir never said that was the only reason he did it heck Frank even ended the statement with a question mark. The whole thing was a bit of trash talk from Mir that is getting way blown out of proportion.
He would be half assing it, like Mir used to do. Mir is a hypocrite to the highest power. If Mir didn’t make the money he did then he’d be fighting in the smaller shows but his focus would be on whatever brings in the money.
Frank Mir’s father was a Kempo trainer, Mir has been training and competing in martial arts since before there was a UFC and he would be still training and competing in martial arts if the UFC had never existed. A big part of Mir’s “half assing” was that he was recovering from a motorcycle wreck that nearly cost him his leg. I’m not about to call a guy who doctor’s said would never walk again without a cane(more/less ever fight again) of half assing it when he came back to become a world champion.
Sigh....
He did. Did you see the car he was driving when he quit wrestling? It was an old junker. I didn’t say he’s broke now, genius. He got rid of his cars and expensive belongings then. Try to keep up.
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He drives a brand new Chevy Aveo, it’s a cheap car but it’s not a piece of junk. Just because a guy doesn’t care about cars doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care about money or other things. Obviously he only spends his money on things that interest him but that isn’t even close to the same as “getting rid of your riches”.
Your defense of the stance that Brock cares about money is that he drives a Chevy Aveo.
Drop it.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock’s house in the woods in Minnesota is far from a mansion.
His enormous gym that he built next to his house, complete with workout equipment and MMA equipment, is awesome.
Nothing about Lesnar’s existence supports Mir’s statements about him in the least.
Actually, Mir’s projections lately are becoming eerily similar to BJ Penn projecting his weaknesses onto GSP before their fight.
by Hardcharger on May 4, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s actually a good observation. BJ worried about GSP’s cardio was pretty goofy.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course Brock didn’t give all money up. I’m sure the vast majority of it is sitting in investments somewhere. Of the little he has spent, he:
1. Built a gym
2. Filled said gym with weight training and MMA equipment
3. Built a guest house
4. Flies in world class trainers like Paulson and Comprido for privates and lets them and his training partners live in the aforementioned guest house.
I can’t think of any other fighter who has shown that level of financial commitment to improving at his craft.
Exactly the guy is filthy rich and he spends it on things that interest him. It is absolutly silly when millionares talk about how they don’t care about the money, it’s real easy not to care about it when you don’t have to worry about it. I don’t see Brock Lesnar giving his money away or fighting for free.
Once again, you are clearly
missing the point. This was not Lesnar saying he does not care about money dude. It was about Mir saying he was only fighting for money.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It’s not about what either think it’s about what people here seem to think. Saying well if he cared about money he would of stayed in the WWE is silly because he made enough money he didn’t have to live the horrid life of a professional wrestler anymore. There is a difference between not wanting to be a WWE wrestler and not caring about money, hell Brock probably makes as much of the UFC now as he did off the WWE then, his PPV cut alone would have to be worth millions per fight. Lets not act like he is doing this instead of the WWE just because of the money he is doing this instead of the WWE because WWE life sucks and he has the ability to make money in other ways.
Lesnar tried out for the Vikings as an undrafted rookie. He would have been making low six figures to play in the NFL. He did it because he wanted to try playing football. He does MMA because he wants to fight MMA. Lesnar cares about money like you or I do, sure. Are you arguing that the guy doesn’t want to die under a bridge in St Paul? Err.. Okay then, enjoy.
Mir is suggesting that Brock is money hungry. You clearly don’t understand the argument.
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He would of been making a lot more than low 6 figures, paricularly if he was any good and lasted more than a couple of years. He wouldn’t of been making the rookie minimum and he could of ended up making a hell of a lot more.
I don’t care what Mir said(I think I might of mentioned that a couple of times already) Mir is exagerating to hype a rivalry so you will buy his fight, I am talking about the reality of the situation and that is that Brock does care about the money and yes he wouldn’t be fighting for 10k a fight or fighting in small shows just for the sake of fighting. He is a professional athlete lets not act like he isn’t one of the highest paid athletes ever in the sport, heck with Chuck gone he may be the highest paid guy.
but all things he has right now are from ventures outside of MMA, Yes the WWE paid the man wads of cash, so what, he provided a service and got what he deserved for it. Mir on the other hand seems jealous of Lesnars past doings and is lashing out in the only way he can. Does anyone really care that Lesnar is flying trainers into him, probably not, but he’s not the only one that gets training from other people. The perfect example is GSP, albeit he goes to the trainers, he is still putting out large funds to train.
Is Frank Mir fighting GSP? Lets not act like Mir is saying this out of the blue he is doing interview to promote a upcomming fight if he doesn’t same something controversial no one will care, Brock Lesnar does the same thing.
Using GSP is a perfect example. GSP is the consummate professional MMA champ. Lesnar is operating in much the same manner – spending lots of money to train with the best people he can. GSP flies many of them in, and also flies around the world. Lesnar built an entire gym and guest house adjacent to his house.
GSP doesn’t work as an example because Frank Mir isn’t fighting GSP, why would Frank Mir say inflamitiory statements designed to get attention for a fight that isn’t going to happen(that was BJ Penn’s job). Mir said that stuff because he has a upcomming fight with Brock Lesnar, is it a dick thing to say sure it is but of course guys going into big fights are going to try and stir up controversy. You can’t take the inpending fight out of the equation when you are judging the level of the shit talk going on.
You must seriously be high or something, because
you are not reading peoples comments thoroughly. Hardcharger said Mir sounds like BJ talking shit before his GSP fight.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
What on god’s earth are you talking about? Your posts are non-sensical.
Another poster said Lesnar was like GSP in that he spent/invested a lot of $$$ in order to train to the best of his ability. This is true. It has nothing to do with Mir fighting GSP. There doesn’t have to be an upcoming fight in order to compare Lesnar investing money to be the best to GSP investing money to be the best.
Lesnar and GSP is a perfect example.
Mir sounding like BJ Penn is a perfect example.
Mir sounding like Penn is a perfect example but that is the only way GSP would come into it. Obviously people don’t get what I am trying to say. For god sakes I am not trying to bash Lesnar I was pointing out that this article is exactly the same thing as Penn running his mouth to promote a fight. It’s all hype. It would be different if Mir was talking shit about Lesnar and their wasn’t a fight coming up but guys pull this crap all the time in interview to promote fights. Lesnar flying guys in to train is great but that wasn’t the point.
This whole interview by Mir is just him talking shit because there is a fight coming up. How much money Brock or GSP spends is irrelevant because this is just a guy talking trash to get people’s attention. Of course Mir is saying things to get under Lesnar’s skin, did people honestly expect him not to? Mir isn’t lashing out he’s just talking shit and playing games(which he has admitted he does before a fight).
There should be a limit on how many times one person can post the same thing on one thread.
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My god, are you trolling or just extra slow?
I stated multiple times how Lesnar and GSP can easily be compared, due to the fact that both invest lots of their money for training. Brock built a training compound and massive gym next to his house in the woods. GSP brings people in to Montreal, and then flies all over the world.
The fact that Brock invests his money wisely in order to be the best in the world, similar to GSP’s method, is anything but irrelevant.
The fact that it blows your incessant droning on and on about Brock caring about money is unfortuante for you.
What are you talking about? Do you even read what I post? I explained it so many times I am sick of it.
I don’t care about how they both train and bring in trainers, lots of fighters do that. Your explaining something over and over that I got the first time and didn’t care about. That point and Mir badmouthing Lesnar are not related at all, not even a little bit related, not even in the same hemisphere of being related, it has nothing at all to do with anything. Brock Lesnar bringing in trainers to his private gym in his back yard has nothing to do with the fact that Frank Mir is just talking shit. What Mir said has nothing to do with GSP or how GSP trains or flying in fighters what Mir said has to do with one fighter trying to get under another fighters skin before a fight.
I’m not saying anything bad about Brock Lesnar at all I was just pointing out that saying that he doesn’t care about the money was a silly thing to say when it is obvious that he does. I don’t think he’s obsessed with money, but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t take it into account when he makes his decisions, it’s just that simple. Just because a guy doesn’t care about flashy cars or clubbing doesn’t mean they don’t care about money, hell Brock could be hiding it in his matress for all we know but lets not act like he doesn’t care about it and is giving it away.
The fact that it blows your incessant droning on and on about Brock caring about money is unfortuante for you.
That doesn’t even make sense, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are just being a dick and trying to attack me personally, I’ve explained it over and over again yet you just ignore that and attack me for the same thing over and over again that I have already pointed out wasn’t what I was talking about. This keeps going round and round and I am tired of trying to have a conversation with people who just act like dicks to people they don’t agree with.
whoa dude
sorry i’m still not really getting your point
1. Everyone (maybe apart from some monks) cares about money. Yes Brock has enough of it that he doesn’t have to worry about it so much but I agree that of course he ‘does’ care. To a certain extent.
2. Brock does not seem to be ‘materialistic’ in the sense that yes he cares about money (because everyone does…because thye have to live) but he doesn’t ‘flaunt’ his money in anyway.
My point is that you have to look at this through the lens of Mir making pre-fight statements not that he is just ragging on another random MMA fighter. He is trying to get under Brock’s skin and he does seem to have a point. People are blowing the whole thing out of proportion and are saying that I am trying to prove things I’m not. I know Brock doesn’t care for fancy cars or electronics and that’s great but that fact doesn’t change that that he most likely wouldn’t be fighting on lesser shows for 10k a fight and that is exactly what Frank Mir’s statement was. It was a bit of trash talking that is getting way overblown. All the rest of this talk about trainers and money is irrelevant to that.
As far as being materialistic and caring about money, that isn’t neccessarily the same thing, people who are actually obsessed with money are quite often cheapskates who hoard the money not people who blow all their money on possessions.
You repeatedly claimed that no posters could make a comparison between GSP and Lesnar. You ignored all evidence to the contrary, in essence acting like a child who was having a temper tantrum.
There are very obvious comparisons between GSP and Lesnar in how they use their income to invest in training. You are wrong. Your newest diversion in trying to play the victim is pathetically transparent.
I wasn’t talking about the comparison between GSP and Lesnar in how they invest in training I was talking about why Mir’s name was brought into that discussion and how that had nothing to do with anything, not sure why no one understood that because it’s what I wrote over and over and over again.
As far as acting like a child having a temper tantrum it wasn’t me that was making this personal and calling posters names I was the person that was getting attacked over and over again. I apologized for getting so deep drawn into this but perhaps you should try looking in the mirror when you talk about childish temper tantrums.
did you even read what I responded to, seriously, look up at the comment that I posted under. The person asked if any other fighter put out large sums of money other than Lesnar, so yes GSP is a viable alternative. No Mir and GSP aren’t fighting, not even sure why you would write something like that. We all know that Mir is talking shit before the fight, but this particular response has absolutely nothing to do with you you’re saying.
I wouldn’t even of replied to it if you hadn’t made it a cheapshot on Mir:
Mir on the other hand seems jealous of Lesnars past doings and is lashing out in the only way he can.So I apologize for getting carried away with the conversation (as I already have multiple times) but I didn’t know why you were bringing Mir or this statement into a discussion of what Brock pays for training, it didn’t make sense unless you were trying to tie them together to what you were saying.
I’ll give you that, but I wouldn’t say it was a cheap shot, more of a shot. in the article Mir came off as a douche as I saw it, no one fights for free, or little to no money, as he try’s to imply that to himself. Yes if the UFC wasn’t around he would be fighting in smaller shows, thats just a given. But to imply the way he did that Lesnar is only fighting for the money, and wouldn’t be in the UFC or MMA in general because he wasn’t getting the payday, I think was just arrogant on his part. I believe Lesnar would still have gotten into MMA even if he didn’t have a chance to make it into the UFC. He wanted a challenge in a truer sport other than pro wrestling. If the UFC wasn’t around I doubt Mir would be in the MMA game after his accident. I’ll admit, this whole thing has gotten blown out of proportion and turned a little ugly at times, and I’ll apologize for my part in it.
It was just that Frank Mir had no place in that conversation on that topic, and because of that I apparently misread what your point was, I thought you were trying to link the two because you brought Mir into it and for some reason everyone jumped me for saying Mir’s statements weren’t related and shouldn’t be taken at that level. It was a downward spiral from there(I’m still getting attacked for some reason?). It’s just not that big of a deal or that harsh of a statement. People attacking me personally got me going when I should of just walked away and I jumped at things I shouldn’t have, I am sorry.
I agree
people had no right to attack you personally over what Mir said, I’ve reread my comments and saw who they could have been confusing, I don’t think I attacked you personally on the subject, but if I did, then I apologize.
It’s one of those things that just gets out of control, I knew better but I got sucked into it. I enjoy discussions (even heated discussions) but this got to be ridiculous. I freely admit to my part in the misunderstanding and apologize for it but I still don’t understand why people got so riled up.
Well it seems to be working when has anyone ever cared so much about what Frank Mir said before one of his fights? Now every statement gets big coverage, most fans think it will be a squash match he’s got to do something to sell the rivalry.
Hype is what sells main events but I just cant buy into it. After seeing guys like BJ post-fight denounce everything they’ve said pre-fight as hype, I just ignore it all and look forward to fights that appeal based on the matchup. Brock v anyone is always an interesting matchup for me coz the guys always has such a huge size advantage.
I agree but a lot of fans still buy into the hype and Mir has admitted before that he does this kind of stuff before fights.
Brock doesn’t have such a huge size advantage over Mir but he definatly has a athletic advantage over pretty much everyone he gets in the cage with, the dude is a genetic freak. A number of guys have had to cut to 265lb before but I just can’t remember any who had the strength Lesnar does.
The man left a lot on the table by leaving professional wrestling, and he lives out in the woods in a cabin with no internet.
Brock and Rena Lesnar’s “cabin in the woods”:
I think that’s more of a ‘cozy little cottage’.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Does anyone think this woman would live in a cabin in the woods? Does anyone think that she is also driving a crappy economy car? Just because Brock doesn’t care about cars or the internet doesn’t mean that he is “roughing it”.
Does anyone think this woman lives in a cabin?
Yes, because I have seen their house and their cars. My point was that Lesnar left a lot more money on the table when he left wrestling for MMA. If all he cared about is money, why would he do that? By the way, someone appearing in Playboy does not make them a Playboy model.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
She was on the cover of Playboy three times and scored one of their highest selling issues ever. She also settled a 110 million dollar lawsuit with the WWE out of court, she’s got money and if you can’t call someone who’s done three pictorials and covers for Playboy a Playboy model then who is?
Again, what the hell does this have to do with
Mir saying Lesnar is only fighting for the money? This seems to directly dispute that as he is definitely well off enough to not have to fight for the money.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Why do people think he doesn’t fight for the money or that he doesn’t care about the money? Did Brock sign a contract to fight for free or did he sign on as one of the highest paid fighters in the sport? Of course he cares about the money and it’s silly to pretend otherwise just because he doesn’t drive a Rolls Royce. It wasn’t me that brought up the silliness of him living in a “cabin” or not caring about the money.
Being compensated for fighting does not equate for fighting for the money, as Mir insinuated. Everyone is compensated for their fights. Mir is projecting, and you’re not making your case in the least.
I am not trying to make Frank Mir’s case I am taking about silly things said in the article and the thread. Frank’s statement was pure hyperbole but the arguement that Lesnar doesn’t care about money or lives in some kind of cabin is just ridiculous. Although Frank may have a bit of a point in there, does anyone think Brock Lesnar would be doing local MMA shows for small time money just to be fighting? It’s fine to say Frank is being a jerk here but lets not pretend that Brock Lesnar doesn’t care about the money either because obviously he does.
Actually you’ve astonished me by posting about 20 times in one thread based on a straw man. It’s almost exhausting.
You look at the way Lesnar lives in comparison to Chuck, Rampage, Randy, or any other top star, and he lives an extremely modest life by comparison. I used the term cabin for hyperbole, but he still lives out in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with very little in the way of flashy lifestyle. This is compared to Frank Mir, known all over Vegas for being at the clubs and trying to make a big show of himself and his star power.
The entire article was premised on the ludicrous idea that Mir can attack someone else for being primarily interested in money when he spent most of his career bouncing at strip clubs instead of training.
Of course Lesnar fights for money in some way, everyone fights for money. The fact that he signed a big contract doesn’t help your point at all, nobody said he’s a monk, everyone attempts to maximize their returns in contract deals. He made a deal based on his high drawing ability, and frankly makes less than he should.
by Michael Rome on May 4, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Thank you Rome.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
So people in the article and thread using hyperbole is ok but Frank Mir using it to hype a fight isn’t? My only point is for people to wake up and stop acting like Brock Lesnar is some kind of altruistic guy who doesn’t fight for the money because that is obviously not the case. I am sorry no one gets that and want to stand behind obviously far fetched and exagerated statements but it just seems like some people are living is some kind of fantasy world about the guy just because he doesn’t drive a Ferarri. The guy is a multi-millionaire he can afford to not bounce at strip clubs to make a living and be eccentric about the cars he drives.
It’s not really hyping the fight if everyone disregards it as bullshit.
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Well it seems to be working because far from disregarding it someone wrote an article about it for discussion.
The article was written talking about
how ridiculous Mir’s comments were dude.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It was a interview on MMAweekly, apparently here people decided to nit pick on particular statement out of it instead of going and reading the whole thing but it did get attention on multiple sites.
Right, that one statement
was all I, and most people here, were talking about. It is absurd & really looked upon poorly for one fighter to mention anything about another fighters money.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
He was talking about the reasons they fight not accusing Brock Lesnar of being greedy. People are blowing it all out of proportion and are real overly touchy about it for some reason. Heck I figured Mir’s suggestion that he should be Lesnar’s coach after this fight was a bigger shot across the bow than pointing out that he wouldn’t mind fighting scrubs for cheap on lesser shows. It’s all just fight hype and both guys are doing it (Lesnar accused Mir of faking a injury because he was scared just a couple of weeks ago) why are people over-exagerating and over-blowing things?
Again, you are completely wrong.
Mir said & I quote “Lesnar fights because he gets paid to fight.” That is not fight hype, it is Mir being apparently jealous of the money Lesnar makes compared to what he makes.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
All professional fighters fight because they get paid, but where did Mir say that was the only reason Brock fights? Mir’s statement was the question " If Lesnar was making $10,000, would he show up to fight?" Your reading a hell of a lot into that statement.
BJ Penn says he wants to litterally murder his opponnent in the cage and people write it off as hype but Mir makes the statement that Brock probably wouldn’t fight on lesser shows for 10k and all the sudden he’s a unforgivable villian? Hell Brock probably wouldn’t fight for 10k on lesser shows he’s said himself he only cares about fighting the best fighters on the biggest stage.
You are cherry picking one line, read what the man said dude.
“He fights because he gets paid to fight. If the UFC were to go bankrupt tomorrow, a month later I would still be in some small organization fighting. Not because I need to; my house is paid off, my cars are paid; I don’t need the money as far as desperately.”
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
That means the same exact same thing. I am not cherry picking, both statements are that he doubts that Brock Lesnar would be fighting on lesser shows for very little money. How can I be cherry picking a statement when it’s the whole quote that people are talking about? Mir has been training and competing in martial arts before their was a UFC, he’s been doing this since he was a child and would be doing it even if MMA didn’t exist. Lesnar has stated he only wants to fight top guys on big shows, if the UFC wasn’t around he would go somewhere else and find something else to challenge him.
Do you think that Brock Lesnar would be fighting on small shows for 10k a fight? If you don’t think he would then I would have to wonder why that statement would bother you?
Neither Lesnar, Mir
or any other top fighter would fight for $10,000 period. That is why his comment is ridiculous. That would not even cover their training costs. His statement does not bother me at all. But it does show that Mir has nothing to say obviously if he has to go after someone regarding money. Is there anyone who was making $100,000 per year for whatever their job was that would take that same position somewhere else for $5,000 a year?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Who ever said anything about Mir being a villain?
I just said it was a dumb, douchebag comment to make about another fighters reasons for fighting.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
People have been villifying him in the whole thread. Heck the very first sentence in the very first comment in the thread was:
Comments like this are why I have always considered Mir a first-rate d-bagThere is a difference between saying something about the quote and saying something about the man particularly when it’s obviously fight hype.
I have seen a couple of people
calling Mir a douchebag, but that is nothing new & is hardly based on that comment alone.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It was a example the thread was full of it. When you ask sarcastically" who ever said that’ or say “no one said that” but all sorts of people are then you are missing something.
I give up.
You are right & every single person on this post is wrong & misunderstood your every post.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And yes
Oral sex dies at the altar.
by Derek Suboticki on May 4, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
/thread
Show’s over, people. Nothing more needs to be said.
by inadvertentgroinstrike on May 4, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Only for the unlucky.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on May 4, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone
thought about property value. Think about it for a second a piece of land out in the bush in where Lesnar lives, despite the size of the house is probably pretty damned close to Mir’s house in vegas or where ever he lives. Cities are always more expensive to live in, regardless of the region.
Of course that may be true.
But this was about Mir saying Lesnar was only in it for the money. Lesnar not owning a flashy house in Vegas or LA & not driving big fancy cars would seem to disagree with that.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Not that it’s really that important, but for info’s sake, the “cabin in the woods” (which in reality is 25 miles from Minneapolis) has a current market value of $1,120,900.
I’d link the article, but I’m not sure it’s a good idea to throw Lesnar’s home address to the wolves like that. Anyone doing a little research can find it.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
What I guess I'm..
failing to see is how Lesnars success in the WWE or the UFC has anything to do with Mir being a all out dick. is there some under lying jealousy here that he needs to seek counseling for? Lesnar got paid for doing something well, he’s no longer involved in it and wanted to jump into a real and pure sport, for Mir to question that is ludicrous at best.
I agree with the sentiment. This was more in response to “Lesnar rid himself of all his riches” BS that Blackout posted above. You mentioned property value, so I responded to your post instead.
Mir talking about Lesnar’s coin is as lame as Sylvia bitching about Lesnar making more than him. It’s pointless. But it’s just fight hype.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
gotcha,
I’ll be honest, I had no idea what Lesnars property was worth, but I’m not naive enough to think that he lived in some small shack in the bush living on the land, I was actually surprised to see his land was worth that much, but come on, the man made millions in the WWE so what is everyone going to think.
Why the assumption that Mir is being dick or is jealous? Mir is trying to sell a fight, of course he is going to say things that get people’s attention(which are also things that a lot of fans say).
Did you think Brock’s actions towards Heath Herring reek of the same? Lord knows Brock Lesnar has said and done all sorts of things and will continue to do so because he knows he has to promote himself and sell fights. The fact that Mir’s statement got your attention to such a level means that it worked.
You know, it can be a fight-promoting statement and a d-bag statement at the same time.
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Ah. He’s from sherdog. ALL IS EXPLAINED
by inadvertentgroinstrike on May 4, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Half the people on the internet are from Sherdog but that doesn’t change the fact that things were said all over the internet about Lesnar bronco riding Herring at the end of the fight. I mean seriously how could anyone have not heard all the stupid crap on all the internet sites about Brock Lesnar being a dick? It was a huge topic.
Lord knows I am not trying to say anything bad about Brock Lesnar and the whole thread has devolved into crap with me trying to explain things to people. I am officially sorry I ever said anything at all.
"Half the people on the internet are from Sherdog"
???
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Or maybe you should actually
read what you are writing before you post it?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
If you don’t know what I was talking about there is no reason to explain it to you at this point. Your just nitpicking to try and get under my skin and I had enough of letting people get under my skin yesterday. Grow up.
Yeah, like you posting a picture of his wife
& asking “does anyone think this playboy model lives in a cabin”. We really needed explanation of your point after reading that. If you dislike Lesnar, fine. But do not spend two freaking days monitoring your entries saying people do not understand your point. Most everyone on this post were only saying how stupid it was of Mir to say Lesnar was only fighting for money. that is all dude. So unless you work for free, you should probably stop posting 100 times about how people are nitpicking.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I don’t dislike Brock Lesnar I was pointing out the hyperbole in people’s statements, it’s just as moronic to defend the guy with outrageous crap as it is to accuse him of outrageous crap. It wasn’t me why said he lived in a cabin in the woods or divested himself of his riches or any of that outrageous bs.
I’ve already apologized numberous times in the thread for getting caught up in it but for some reason here you are still trying to attack me because I wrote internet instead of internet fans, good grief all I wanted to do was have a discussion not get mugged by the Brock Lesnar fan club.
I do not care a lick about Brock dude.
Do you think it is a coincedence that you have entered like 75% of the posts on here & that everyone else is “misunderstanding your point”? lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Three or four people have said they didn’t understand my point and I have already settled with the guy who I misunderstood his post above, just because a handful of people jumped doesn’t mean that everyone did or that everyone disagreed with me and honestly it’s hyperbole like the 75% crap that was getting under my skin yesterday. Why are you still going on about stuff? Heck even I have moved on in the discussion (or at least I am trying to).
It is not hyperbole
when it is a fact. Look over this post & see how many entries you have. You have really went the extra mile about how you “do not dislike Lesnar.” lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
how does that differ
from say Anderson Silva shaking his hips after a win, or Ortiz “digging” after a win, I fail to see the point of Lesnars riding the “bronco” but does that make him more of a douche or ass for doing it, no.
I agree completly but half the people posting on a number of sites exploded about how insulting it was for some reason in another one of these overblown topics. I was making a point that villifying Mir for this is equally as stupid as villifying Lesnar for that. Did you miss the explosion of people acting like Lesnar’s actions were horrible for the sport? It went on for months and there are people who still bring it up to attack the guy.
I see your point
And yes I did miss the whole bronco riding thing, I just started to read MMA sites over the last couple of months, more time on my hands now that I’m unemployed. I truly don’t understand how people could say Lesnars actions are any worse then some fighters out there, but I guess with the anonymity of the internet creates a lot of armchair athletes who think they are smarter then they actually are.
It was ugly, it still is ugly. Brock Lesnar gets a lot of flack on MMA sites. No where in this was I trying to badmouth Brock Lesnar I was trying to make a point about how people were over-exagerating and over-reacting which is common when Lesnar’s name comes up.
I spend too much time here now that I am laid off too, now I’m afraid I’ll be posting from work when I go back, it is addictive.
I hear ya there
but I don’t understand why everyone hates Lesnar, is it the fact that he came from the WWE? Do most people not realize that some of the best fighters in MMA have wrestling backgrounds? Or is it the fact the man is a freak of nature. I respect the man and what he’s done, lets face it, I doubt anyone on this or any site can name one person that’s as fast or athletic in the hw division as Lesnar. I’d almost go as far as saying I’m jealous of the mans ability, and the fact he’s nailing his hot wife.
I think it’s part WWE past and part he got a huge contract and title shot without having to go the long route. I think the whole thing is silly, there have been guys out of pro wrestling before, there have been guys who cut to 265lbs before and there have been guys who got title shots early in their careers before(Randy Couture got his first title shot in his 4th MMA fight). Still if you posted something about Lesnar on a site like Sherdog you would get a deluge that would make this discussion look like a day at the park.
A lot of hardcore internet fans just hate the guy with a passion and overeact to everything he says and does to the point that now so do his defenders. The guy gets a lot of attention and press and there seems to be a lot of backlash.
I am a Frank Mir fan but...
There are only two explanations to these comments:
Frank is an idiot (clearly many people feel this way)
or
This was a horrible attempt at building hype. If you want to tear down Brock talk about his time in the WWE or his lack of MMA experiance, not this lame money angle.
It’s also a bit hollow to criticize Brock for fighting for money. The man left a lot on the table by leaving professional wrestling, and he lives out in the woods in a cabin with no internet. The idea that he is just in it for the money is ridiculous, I’d like to see a comparison of Mir’s lifestyle to Lesnar’s to see who’s really more interested in money.
Your explanation is a bit ridiculous. I’m sure he can make a lot in WWE, but nothing approaching the $2m per fight or whatever he makes in the UFC. Who cares if he has a fancy house or an internet connection?
I can only explain this one more time before it becomes exasperating. It’s in comparison to others, not by some grand standard of monkdom.
He had guaranteed millions, and left it to try out for the NFL which was a huge risk. Money motivates him like anyone else in the world, the point is that it motivated Mir enough for years to shirk his training, and motivates all the other stars in the business enough to spend their time at clubs or buy fancy cars. There is nothing uniquely greedy about Lesnar, which is what Mir is trying to get across.
He earns 2 mill a fight, but it’s not guaranteed money. There was also no guarantee of it when he left WWE and the UFC had nothing to offer. He’s a rich guy, and there’s nothing wrong with it, the point was in response to Mir’s bullshit. The straw man syndrome around here is getting out of control.
I wasn’t the one who called his million dollar estate 25 milles from Minneapolis a cabin in the woods. You also seemed to imply Mir working as a bouncer as him being lazy/greedy as opposed to needing the money which was a bit odd considering how hard his life was for several years there. Obvioulsy I am some sort of horrible villian now but logically it would seem that the hyperbole and straw men cut both ways.
Yeah, the whole “cabin in the woods with no internet” thing is a bit over the top. I don’t think Mir was trying to say Lesnar is uniquely greedy, he was just pointing out the obvious fact that Lesnar didn’t get into the sport until the big money was there waiting for him.
That’s the way I took it too but obviously I am wrong and Lesnar would still be fighting for 10k a fight If the UFC were to go bankrupt tomorrow. That’s why he went to Japanese Pro Wrestling and the NFL before he tried MMA. Mir was hyping a fight with the whole “he fights for the money” trash talking (and he backed it up with a point that people seem to want to completely ignore). I’m not sure why people are getting all up in arms like it was some sort of horrible offense?
Gotta love Mir he played the fans and Nog with all of his actions on TUF and his comments before the fight and then went out and shocked the world. Now he is setting up Brock the same way, he is going to get into his head and use his experience and skill to beat Lesnar and get himself the undisputed belt. Mir truly is working from a different playbook than most other athletes he is finally healthy and motivated and that is a scary thing for any HW out there who thinks they can take him.
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