Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Kuniyoshi Hironaka Applies the Crucifix Neck Crank
by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 9:32 PM EDT
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Kuniyoshi Hironaka taps out fellow UFC vet Naoyuki Kotani at ZST 20 this weekend with a crucifix.
This is a pain submission from catch wrestling, not to be confused with the two different BJJ holds known as the crucifix. From wikipedia:
The crucifix neck crank is similar to the cattle catch, but involves the combatant performing the neck crank being mounted on the opponent. Both of the opponent's arms are controlled, and the opponent's head is held in the armpit. By cranking the body upwards while keeping a tight hold on the opponents arms, the opponents head is forced towards his or her chest.
Both the cattle catch and the crucifix neck crank are colloquially referred to simply as the crucifix, which often leads to confusion with the traditional crucifix position.
Amusingly there was another classic amateur wrestling submission applied at ZST too. Big fun, I'm looking forward to the day when an MMA bout is won with a Boston Crab. More on that in the extended entry.
Pic via The UG
Shuichiro Katsumura taps out Hiroyuki Yamashiro at ZST 20. Officially it was called a twister, but Luke Thomas tells me its actually an excorcist. From a chat we had:
Think RNC but you take the back and whatever leg you trap from behind you crank the jaw with a gable grip to the opposite side but with a twister -- it's similar but you have to be under the armpit and then crank the crown of the head so it cranks the spine not the neck and spine. You'll see in the exorcist its more like a RNC as the guy on bottom isn't under the top guy's right arm armpit.
Q: under the opposite armpit?Yeah, it has to be behind you like if you're doing a twister and you're cranking the head the back of your head is resting on the other guy's bicep.
Here's a demo of the twister, a hold that Eddie Bravo has built a whole system around. Eddie brought it with him to BJJ from his high school wrestling days. In wrestling its known as a guillotine.
Here's Hironaka getting the tap via crucifix:
Here's Katsumura getting the win via Twister:
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Are those legal under the Unified Rules?
by Derek Suboticki on May 29, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions
I believe so
they’re banned in all amateur wrestling competitions, most jiu jitsu competitions, I believe all judo competitions. But are allowed in submission wrestling and mma.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
true true
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
The only grappling competitions I know of that allow neck cranks is Grappler’s Quest Advanced division and NAGA.
thanks for the info
revision: they’re banned in all amateur wrestling competitions, most jiu jitsu competitions, I believe all judo competitions. But are allowed in a few submission wrestling competitions and mma.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Haha
Not trying to bust your chops or anything. Just thought you would like to know. I really like the Judo Chops. Keep doing them.
no worries
this whole thing is a learning exercise for me so any accurate information is welcome!
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
I am a huge fan of these as well. Very informative.
by CliChe Guevara on May 30, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hironaka
was someone I thought showed a lot of promise in the UFC. He gave Jon Fitch a really tough fight but then Thiago Alves just killed him….and then he got KO’d by Jonathan Goulet.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Hironaka has won via neck crank before
as I discovered when searching his FightFinder page. I don’t remember paying much attention to him during his UFC stint…does anyone know if he comes from a wrestling background?
He trained judo first
then BJJ — he’s got a black belt in BJJ.
Started judo at 15, then BJJ at 25.
good interview with him here.
Plus never underestimate the well rounded MMA education a fighter gets by rising through the ranks in Shooto.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Situation: me “trying” to roll with my instructor.
Me: “I’m in some sort of submission hold, aren’t I?”
Instructor: “Yes.”
Me: “Ok.” [taps]
Me: “What was that?”
Instructor: “Neck crank”
Me: “Ok.”
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
^ been there, My dad was a wrestler/Boxer/Karate black belt.
by CliChe Guevara on May 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The Crucifix is one of Bas Rutten’s favorite movies.
I think that the Crucifix is banned from MMA, but not all neck cranks? Maybe that was under those new rules no one liked.
I believe it’s actually the exorcist, the submission Thomas referenced. I think it was mentioned in one of his videos.
by Gogo Platter on May 30, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
MMA fights have already been won with boston crabs, or at least half boston crabs. Some have been works, some have been a bit more legit.
links!
I need links.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Mikhail Illoukhine of submitting Igor Vovchanchyn with a chin in the eye-fame
got a win with a achilles lock that he turned into a half boston crab at a K1 Hero’s-Lithuania event in 2005:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1adH7XL4-w
Doesn’t look like a work to me.
by Scott Haber on May 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
that was nice
it’s at about 5:55 It seems like Mikhail grabs Igor’s right leg kick and then kicks his left leg out from under him.
now i’ve seen a lot of people try achilles locks and get punched in the face for their troubles. i’ve never seen anybody turn it around into a crab like that. it seems like a superior position to an achilles lock, b/c you can’t get punched in the face, and if your opponent gets out, you’re still in a superior position.
can anybody with detailed knowledge of submissions tell me why achilles locks aren’t turned into boston crabs in the ufc?
Because that’s pro wrestling bullshit.
But really, I have no idea.
by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I remember I saw those on some old Puroresu videos when I was like 6. Tried them on my friends more than a few times. Oh to be a kid again.
here's a link:
to an article about the crucifix and cow-catcher
http://www.grapplearts.com/BJJ-Crucifixes.html
i actually learned the technique in question as the “stocks.”
from the pic i can’t if katsumara’s submission is a wrestler’s guillotine or an exorcist—i have to see the footage. one thing i can say though, during the wrestler’s guillotine the opponent’s leg is usually either single or double-grapevined and it looks like katsumara’s simply crossing his ankles.
until then here’s a link to the footage of bas rutten’s exorcist: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-do-bas-ruttens-exorcist-crank
"the stocks"
I like that the best. “Cattle catcher” is solid too.
by Chris Nelson on May 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a Pain Submission
This isn’t a pain submission… done properly employing full extension at the proper angles a spinal break can be the result if someone refuses to tap from the pain. It’s the same case with the Boston Crab. Any move that involves locking the spinal column should be done carefully and not thought of as a pain submission because the risk is worse than a mere broken limb from an arm bar for example.
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