Rumor: Josh Koscheck Possible At UFC 103 vs. Matt Hughes or Frank Trigg
by Leland Roling on May 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
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According to MMAMania's Jesse Holland, Josh Koscheck (12-4) is in talks with the UFC regarding a UFC 103 matchup with newly-signed Frank Trigg:
Top-ranked welterweight contender, Josh Koscheck (12-4), and former number one division contender, Frank Trigg (19-6), are in talks to battle it out for 170-pound supremacy at UFC 103 on Sept. 26.
MMAmania.com learned earlier today about the likely match up; however, a venue is still unknown at this time (locations in the United Kingdom and Las Vegas are under under consideration) for the event. In addition, nine-time division kingpin, Matt Hughes, is also lurking in the shadows as a possible opponent for Koscheck … albeit on the outside.
This is a bout that will once again test Koscheck's ability to stuff takedowns, and it'll likely result in Koscheck looking for a spectacular KO against a veteran like Trigg. Trigg has some powerful hands as well, but my gut tells me we could see Koscheck reverting back to his roots if he's watched some of the big fights that Trigg has had in the past.
Most notably, both Hughes and St. Pierre took advantage of their wrestling base to defeat Trigg on the ground. A lot of fans like to throw comments out regarding Trigg being unable to stop the rear naked choke, and it'd probably be beneficial for Koscheck to look at implementing that type of gameplan. As we all know from Koscheck's most recent bouts, he's more likely to throw caution into the wind for the exciting win than brutalizing opponents with his wrestling in dominating but non-finishing performances.
Also a possibility, Matt Hughes could potentially be put into a spot to face Josh Koscheck as well at UFC 103, but there is no confirmation from the UFC regarding which fighter will be pitted against the former NCAA wrestling champion.
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I have Kos by brutality, no matter who he faces.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 29, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except for
Drew Fickett (Loss, 3’rd round RNC)
Georges St. Pierre (Loss, UD)
Thiago Alves (Loss, UD)
Paulo Thiago (Loss, TKO due to strikes)
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by ElliotMatheny on May 29, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have Kos by brutality, no matter who he faces when his opponent is either Twinkletoes or Country Breakfast.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 29, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha okay, good to know
Well played, sir.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. He was dominating both Fickett and Thiago and got caught being careless. I would confidently bet on him in a rematch with either opponent.
2. GSP tricked him into training only for striking, then wrestled him for the whole fight
3. He took the Alves fight on like 4 days notice, and Alves is not the kind of guy you can fight w/o training
You are just being a hater. Kos is a sick fighter
by Flyghtt on May 30, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong, Kos is a good fighter.
1) But the whole “Just got caught” business is just stupid.
Fickett isn’t the kind of guy you get complacent on the ground with, and that’s exactly what Kos did. Drew is great at taking people’s backs, and he did exactly that to Kos; served him right for playing with fire.
As for Paulo Thiago, Koscheck was implementing a pretty sound game plan, but he was being far too agressive in doing so, which led to sloppiness. Thiago caught Kos with his hands at his waist, and hit him with a clean punching combo; yet again, another brain fart courtesy of Josh.
2) How exactly did GSP “trick” Koscheck into training only standup? It’s MMA, and it’s not like the fact that GSP has outstanding wrestling is any kind of secret. Sure, he has good standup, but Kos was simply overconfident going into the GSP fight; he even said himself that it didn’t even occur to him that GSP could potentially outwrestle him.
3) First off, Kos is a badass just for taking a fight with a guy like Alves on short notice like he did. However, he took the fight over 2 weeks in advance to the fight time, and had even said that he was in the gym, and in great shape. Also keep in mind that Thiago was training for a completely different opponent as well.
I’m not being a hater by any means, in fact I really like Koscheck, and think he has a ton of potential, but sometimes he can be his own worst enemy.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck
ought to be able to batter either Hughes or Trigg. They’re both tough but he’s the younger, faster, stronger version of them, with better standup.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Word.
Kos just needs to learn when he should be in standup mode, and when to be in top control fuckisizer mode
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by ElliotMatheny on May 29, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, this is like bringing back Bob Backlund to get a new guy over. Koscheck beats Trigg. Koscheck against Hughes would really let us know if Hughes is still capable of hanging around the top.
by subo on May 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, is that how Koscheck’s last two fights have ended?
by subo on May 29, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no. Kos is now a well rounded fighter.
It was more towards Trigg and Hughes.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on May 29, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have some latent sexual fantasies you’re holding back? You must have said the words “dry humping” 18 times in the last couple days. Damn.
by LiuLang on May 29, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes well when you mention Trigg and now Hughes.
by MMASuPreMaCy on May 29, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck by goofy but lightning-fast overhand right.
by MMAEruption on May 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kos again! Bit of trivia for you folks! Kos was the only ranked UFC fighter to fight 4 times in 2008 and backed it up with another fight in Feb!! This will be 6 fights in 18 months. Anybody know of any other UFC fighters that have fought 6 times in 18 months?
by GeeDub on May 29, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
A fighter who fights. Penn needs some Koschek in him.
by mythbuster on May 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say that like Penn hasn’t defended his title in a while….oh yeah, that’s right.
Quite a difference between the two wouldn’t you say?
by soadtrails on May 29, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, one is a loss away from possibly getting cut and the other is a dominant champion in his weight class.
by nigelzackit on May 30, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Do you honestly believe that they UFC would cut Koscheck with one more loss? He’s 10-4 in the UFC, and as mentioned above 2 of those 4 are to GSP and Alves. Saying that he’s one loss away from possibly being cut is just hyperbole.
by Estrada on May 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
There’s no way he’s getting cut if he loses again, unless he somehow pulls a Kaleb Starnes.
I will say that if he doesn’t string together a couple of wins, then he seriously runs the risk of being relegated to undercard, gatekeeper status.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he loses to trigg, its a very real possibility. dont lie to yourself. losing to a nobody and then a guy who everyone seems to think is a career stepping stool probably gets him a pink slip or a big pay cut.
by nigelzackit on May 30, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's ridiculous
there’s a big difference b/w not being a serious title contender, and being cut. plus, kos is a popular draw.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re nuts if you think Kos’s job is at risk.
by subo on May 30, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's once every 3 months, dude.
Not saying that it’s not a good thing, but that’s about how much everyone should be fighting.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 29, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Matt Brown still need a replacement? I have an awful memory.
Condit vs Trigg would also be good.
Give Koscheck to Hughes to see where they both stand.
by DirtyML on May 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Luke Matt is taking time off so he can heal some nagging injuries, and then fight AJ.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That fight will be fucking absurd – and probably catapult Johnson into the elite
by subo on May 29, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beating matt brown makes you elite????
by nigelzackit on May 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, according to you, there are about four fighters on Planet Earth that are worth a shit. AJ would move up to the top 10 and get a much tougher opponent next time out if he can beat Brown.
by subo on May 30, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the be rankings have him 22. you think he jumps 12 places beating a guy who barely makes the top 50?
by nigelzackit on May 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Condit and Trigg already fought
at a Rumble on the Rock event in 2006. Condit subbed him with a triangle-armbar in the first round.
by Scott Haber on May 29, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could pump it up as a rematch. of course, any fight that trigg is in will be pretty easy to hype. if trigg wins, he beat a wec champ, if carlos wins he will be supper popular.
just talkin out my ass here. don’t feel like researching how they style up stylistically just saying it would be a fun story
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 29, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta think Kos can pummel either of these guys. I like Trigg, but wouldn’t mind seeing Hughes get a bit battered.
by mythbuster on May 29, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kos will destroy these two. However, he seems to be in love with his stand-up, and he has been a bit stubborn in the past, so there’s a chance he can get caught again.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on May 29, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone explain this Trigg thing to me?
Was there a big groundswell of support for him or something? I could easily go the rest of my life without ever seeing him fight again, and now he’s 37. There’s any number of more talented fighters with more upside who are younger who could be in that spot.
I could go the rest of my life never seeing Trigg fight again and not feel the loss.
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 29, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They seem to be bringing back the old timers, Coleman, CC, Trigg, who’s next?
Please don’t say Tito……
by soadtrails on May 29, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, trigg will market himself drawing big crowds, and he’ll prob be top tier. no, he’s not gonna beat gsp, but you still have to make interesting fights at ww if you’re ufc.
and hey KID NATE, i low the rankings, but how about trigg on there at WW?
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t know of anyone Trigg would draw who wouldn’t be drawn already by someone higher on the card. It’s not like anyone knows him except hardcore fans who are watching already.
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 30, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe not
but he talks a lot of shit… and people really like that… or really hate that. eitherway, they will have a reason to watch the fight.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 30, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
they’re mounting ALOT of fights and need the bodies.
But I also wonder if they’re not feeling a little pressure from Strikeforce.
If they sign Trigg, he’s a known fighter they can easily build fights around — Trigg can headline a UFN, immediately be in a solid main card fight, and with one or two wins be in a featured fight on a big card.
If they let Strikeforce get Trigg, that instantly gives Jake Shields a credible opponent. If Coker had signed Trigg and signed or borrowed Jay Hieron, that’s a division.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to see him fight a striker
i’m watching the next kos fight closely. ideally, he will become a smart multidimensional fighter by:
1) using his great wrestling to determine where the fight goes at all times. this is a huge advantage b/c one doesn’t get stuck in a losing position.
2) using his striking predominately to to set up strong take downs and, of course, for aggressive GnP.
3) using his great wrestling to get into dominant ground positions to set up the aggressive GnP.
4) using the mere threat of a takedown to deter opponents from kicking and to make them tentative.
he definitely has the skills to do all this, to fight smart, but will he? or will he “pull a sherk” on us and “stubbornly engage in a standup battle that he is losing?”
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's how I feel, as well
He also needs to decide when to use his wresting for takedowns, and when to use it in reverse.
He just got caught being too agressive and sloppy against Paulo Thiago, though
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by ElliotMatheny on May 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why no respect for Trigg?
I think he has a great chance to win in UFC, I don’t think he is the future champ, but i think he has a fighting chance to beat most WW in UFC.
by RiskReturnGroup on May 30, 2009 12:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trigg's a good fighter.
It’s just that he’s never been spectacular. He’s the classic example of a guy who is well rounded, and good at everything, but not GREAT at anything. He can and has been outwrestled, outstruck, and outgrappled. He’ll always just be a B+/ A- level fighter, who will have his moments where he’s in the top 10, but he’ll never hold the belt, or really ever beat a top 5 guy.
He knows the fight game though, and I for one don’t mind his commentating all that much. He’s also been in some exciting fights (most of which he’s lost, unfortunately).
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by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes and Frank Trigg both are past their prime and have been putting on extremely lackluster performances as of late.
Hughes vs Trigg – Snooze fest LnP decision for Hughes.
Koscheck vs Hughes – Koscheck via TKO
Koscheck vs Trigg – Koscheck via RNC (inevitably)
by virginiatech on May 30, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this makes sense if UFC 103 is in the uk Trigg has some exposure over here from his time in TNA.
what we could see is a co main event of
Hughes v Winner Davis/Hardy
Koscheck v Trigg
by davec84 on May 30, 2009 6:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck would do mean things to Hughes. Koscheck could afford to do that mistake he did against Thiago as many times as he likes in that fight because I doubt Hughes can take him down.
by SamCupitt on May 30, 2009 6:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Koscheck v. Hughes
Trigg v. Kampmann
Winners fight one another? In a totally unrelated question, does anyone like Davis/Hardy winner against Kampmann?
by SMC on May 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually really like those fights
And maybe in the meantime, you could put Kos up against Hughes.
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'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize, though
that Kampmann and Trigg both train out of Xtreme Couture, right?
I’m not so sure if they’d be willing to fight eachother, being teammates and all.
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'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on May 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA Junkie is reporting this morning
that Trigg denies that he was ever offered Koscheck. He’s apparently posting on various message-boards trying to dispel the rumor, and explain that he has no idea who his first opponent will be.
by Scott Haber on May 30, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Trigg use the shot to the nuts then attack plan?
I would rather the UFC bring in new blood than not very exciting old blood, or at least former exciting UFC fighters.
People I would rather see in the UFC
Babalu
Lawler
King Mo
Vitor
Jake
this list could go on forever….
by Riney on May 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually like Trigg in this fight, Kos has become way too in love his his striking and it’s not that good for him to abandone his bread and butter. Trigg on the other hand will do what he does best look for takedowns and GNP, he should edge out the decision fighting at WW again is the right move for his career imo.
by Raker on May 31, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you think Trigg takes Kos down repeatedly in this fight...
then
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by ElliotMatheny on May 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yo guys. trigg just denied these rumors..
Now hear this, now hear this… I know that I have no idea. That is all.
Rumors are not true. I have no knowledge who or when.
by Anton Tabuena on May 31, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to clarify, my understanding is that he denied the rumor that kos or hughes are his next opponent. but my understanding is that he is still to fight in the ufc.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 31, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
that was what im trying to point out.. the article was saying that kos could fight trigg.. and this is what trigg is denying..
he’s already signed.. thats for sure..
oh and the quote was from trigg’s twitter
by Anton Tabuena on May 31, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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