Yves Lavigne Discusses and Defends Nover-Bradley Stoppage
One of the major stories to come out of last weekend's UFC 98 event was a controversial stoppage by referee Yves Lavigne, in the Phillipe Nover-Kyle Bradley prelim fight.
This of course, was hot on the heels of a previous controversial stoppage by Lavigne at UFC 96 in March, where he took the role of a pariah on the MMA blogosphere after repeatedly hesitating to stop the Matt Brown-Pete Sell fight, and only finally stepping in after Sell had taken far more punishment than was necessary. In comments after the March event, Lavigne apologized for the Brown-Sell stoppage, admitting he had failed to act properly, and allowed Sell to "take a beating for nothing.
Now, in his first public comments since the Nover-Bradley fight, Lavigne speaks with Sherdog's Loretta hunt, and takes a much less apologetic stance than he did after the Sell-Brown fight:
"It was the toughest one to call, because you don’t see the face of the guy receiving the punch," Lavigne told Sherdog.com Wednesday. "You have to look with the body, so basically, I based my judgment on Mr. Nover’s reaction. When he went face-first in the mat with his arms behind him, I decided to stop the fight."
"I know it looks bad. I know some people on the Internet said I re-start[ed] that fight," said Lavigne. "I never re-start[ed] that fight. I didn’t want to receive a kick in the face and get knocked out. When the fighter doesn’t really comply, what am I supposed to do? I think the step back was the best way in order to stop the fight."
"I would choose a stronger angle when stopping the fight," said Lavigne, who recalls facing a similar dilemma when is hips were too parallel to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson as the referee struggled to pry him off a comatose Wanderlei Silva at UFC 92 last December. "I’d also do some weight-training."
Essentially, it appears that Lavigne's argument is that he never truly re-started the fight, and that once he started trying to pull Bradley away, he was dead-set on stopping the fight. I do agree with this point now, and after reviewing GIFs and video of the fight's ending, it seems clear to me that Lavigne indeed never re-started the fight...he simply thought that Bradley recognized the stoppage once he stopped striking Nover, when in fact Bradley thought the fight was still on, so Lavigne had to wave his arms to officially signal the end.
In regards to Lavigne's comments about needing to do some weight training: sure, Yves isn't one of the larger or more imposing referees in the business (i.e. Big John and Dan Miragaliotta) who could simply tackle or wrestle a fighter away when he wants to ensure a stoppage. I'm also not aware of Yves having a strong martial arts background, unlike Mario Yamasaki who holds a BJJ black belt, or Herb Dean, who actively trains in MMA and has even fought professionally before.
That all being said, it's troubling to hear an MMA referee discussing his fear of being too physically aggressive with a fighter in the process of stopping a fight. Unless he's refereeing a Gilbert Yvel fight, I don't think Yves has much to worry about. Sure, a lot of fighters get caught up in the moment and require the referee to literally yank them off before they stop pounding or squeezing a sub, but I'd suggest that it's far more common for a fighter to stop right away when he realizes the ref is trying to stop the fight.
Yves says that Bradley wasn't complying and he was afraid of being struck or injured, but after looking at the replay of the fight's ending several times, and seeing Yves well-protected behind Bradley with his arms wrapped around the fighter's waist, I'm not so sure of that. Yes, he could have potentially taken an elbow to the face, but these are accepted risks when you become an pro MMA referee, and if you're nervous about stopping a fight for fear of being struck by the attacking fighter, then perhaps you pursue a different avenue in the world of combat sports officiating.
Finally, in comparing the Nover-Bradley stoppage to the Sell-Brown stoppage, Yves had this to say:
"I don’t think both of them are in the same category," said Lavigne. "One of them, I made a judgment call and the other one, I made a huge mistake, which I acknowledged. [Nover] bounced back quick, yes, however my decision was already made at that point."
I have to agree with him here again. Was the Nover stoppage a little early? Perhaps. But in this case, Yves acted appropriately and in the best interest of the fighter, whereas with Pete Sell he did not. Does Yves need to learn to be more forceful and clear when he stops a fight? Yes...but he's aware of this, as his aforemenioned comments suggest, and I have no problem with seeing him officiate major fights in the future, so long as he's willing to improve his aggressiveness.
Maybe Big John can train him in the art of tackling an over-eager fighter? ;)
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So where does Nover go from here? 1 more loss and he’s out?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
I hadn’t seen that in slow-mo before. Shit. That makes me think a bit less of Rampage, and damn Lavigne has a hard job.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
it makes me think less of rampage too.
now i am actually interested in seeing him get picked apart my lyoto
That wasn’t so much Lavigne not being strong enough to intervene as it was was Rampage being a complete dick and getting the frustration of two brutal KOs out.
Not much you can do when a 220 pound professional fighter who hit as hard as a major league slugger swinging a bat has his mind set on something…
by Applejack McNeil on May 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yves made the best call possible from the position he was in. Nover hit the ground at a weird angle, and whether KO’d or not, it looks odd enough to justify the stoppage. Merde happens. At least he’s self-aware enough to acknowledge his mistakes.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on May 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed – maybe every ref needs to be Dean/McCarthy sized so they can manhandle the fighters and enforce stoppages.
by Derek Suboticki on May 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
the fighters should be penalized for doing that. When the ref says stop, you stop. Don’t get that last shot or two in. If the UFC starting issues fines or suspensions for ignoring the ref, this wouldn’t happen :P
Why the tongue out? I completely agree.
by Derek Suboticki on May 29, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too. If a ref grabs a fighter they need to immediately stop fighting.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
I still think "WTF Babalu?"

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
aahahahaa
Maz’s reaction is gold when Babalu finally lets go.
“get off him.. GET OFF HIM!!!…. oh dear god.”
by I Can't Feel My Face on May 30, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And that’s why Babalu is out in the wastelands instead of with the UFC. Hard to get cut after a win, but he pulled it off.
by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If he puts enough wins together, any chance he’ll be back in the fold? It was ~2y ago, I’m sure many have forgotten.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Dana has, and I think that kind of shit really rubs him the wrong way – if you’re going to jeopardize giving the sport a black eye and give the forces that would like to see MMA banished back into the Dark Ages ammunition just to prove a point, do it in someone else’s cage.
by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2009 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactely mythbuster
yves had both arms around bradley, pushing him off, but bradley was not complying. he took a looping shot at nover (which could have hit yves in the face), tried to shrug yves off w/ his left arm and then kept charging at nover, cocking back twice more, all whiles yves had both arms around him.
that is the problem. i completely buy yves explanation and have completely changed my mind about him as a ref. i understand fighters being in the moment, being full of adrenaline, but this is not a street fight. when you feel somebody who is not your opponent touching you, bear hugging you, pushing you, it is not your opponent’s pals or the cops; it is the ref. you have to stop as a reflexive action. this is bradley’s and any fighter’s resonsibility.
it is a big deal and it seems to be happening more and more (Sokoudjou’s last fight). dana and company need to remind everybody what happened to babalu and make it clear that not respecting the refs will not be tolerated.
Yves should stay away from reffing anyone larger than WW.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
So’s the guy he’s fighting, weirdly enough :-)
by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My observation...
I think the kick he was trying to avoid was Nover’s upkick. When I watch the gif, I see Lavigne pulling Bradley off, Bradley hitting the brakes, then Nover’s legs instinctively launching upward, at which point Lavigne backs off. I don’t think Lavigne was ever afraid Bradley would start attacking him (Lavigne).
by INGO B on May 29, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yves did kinda shove him towards Nover after he got to him, so I can understand where Bradly thought the fight was being restarted.
I can see how he could have thought that.....
but Yves’ explanation makes sense after rewatching. He sort of just has his hand on his back and is kind of shoving Bradley to leverage himself away from those upkicks. I think he did a good job clearing this up. Case closed.
by Brandon Starr on May 29, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions

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