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Don't Believe the Hype: M-1 Isn't Solely After a Zuffa-Built Stadium

Fedorbeatsarlovski_mediumWhile I've heard negative whisperings within the industry about M-1 and Dana White has blasted Fedor Emelianenko's management for their outrageous requests at the negotiating table, Evgeni Kogan suggests there might be a method to the M-1 madness:

M-1 Selection is an undertaking that follows along the general theme of M1’s leadership in Russia. The goal is to bring MMA to the masses, making rabid fans throughout the country, but also get a grass-roots fighter movement going, where those who have the guts to compete get a chance to strut their stuff on a bigger stage (initially St. Petersburg -- Russia’s second city) and maybe make a career for themselves.

This sounds trite. Fighters have been making careers out of their craft for ages, but in Russia -- where only 10 years ago men with combat sport backgrounds were only useful as bodyguards or mafia strongmen -- to be a successful professional fighter is a big, big deal.

M-1 is approaching the issue of the sport’s lack of popularity in Russia on both fan and fighter fronts. On the fan front, the main issue is government-owned television coverage.

If you’re not convinced of the importance of television to MMA, Google "Fuji TV and the demise of Pride."

The issue at hand is that state-owned -- read: by far the most popular -- television channels here refuse to show MMA, claiming a lack of interest among the general TV watching public. Seeing the perceived lack of interest as a chicken-and-egg supply-and-demand issue, M-1 is currently in the process of petitioning the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, with a plea to weigh in and request the television programmers to add some Smeshannye Edinoborstva (as MMA is officially called here) to the average Russian’s weekly TV diet.

I certainly do not expect White or any other corporate parent to finance M-1's operations - noble or otherwise - but for folks who've often wondered why Fedor or other Russian MMA fighters aren't as popular in their own home country as they conceivably could be, one has to keep in mind there are clear barriers to entry that will not easily be overcome for either the fighters or the sport. Putin may be a judo black belt, but unless he's willing to flex his muscle on MMA's behalf, it's not at all clear how the sport will change the minds of state-run media even if they can amass grass roots support. One shudders to think what the UFC would do were the most popular television media in European expansion cities both state run and hostile (or indifferent) to MMA. So while M-1 may be maligned or mocked within the U.S. (and not necessarily for flippant reasons), it's probably better to have some sort of advocate for MMA in Russia (even if M-1 is mostly interested in media carrying M-1 programming), unsavory though they may be.

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This is an interesting angle that I knew nothing about, so thank you for that. If I have a quibble with the article, it’s this: the italics on the second to last word. I think it’s clear that many of the people involved in M-1 ARE unsavory. That, though, doesn’t mean that they can’t simultaneously be… philanthropic, for lack of a better word. Most people involved in high level business fit that mold of moral ambiguity. And I think we’re right to call these same people on their lack of ethics, even though we should also recognize their positive efforts. They don’t have to be one or the other. (Luke, I know your article isn’t saying that; it’s just a point I wanted to make.)

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Has there ever been a fight promoter who wasn’t unsavory?

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I’ve met, and I’m friends with a few. Come to think of it, I have way too many friends who could be called “unsavory”.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you get in bed with the ugliest woman at the bar if she were the only one available? No, you would go home and take care of business yourself.

On a similar line of thinking, WFA and WEC were conquests, notches in the bed post. Pride was a very smoking hot lady that ended up to be a disappointment.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Face it, they got burned by the hot smoking chick.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on May 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burned in that it didn’t live up to expectations, sure. But they didn’t get in bed with EXC because that would have burned in the morning. VD, if you didn’t get what I was saying. EXC had Business VD. Which is something I just made up.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love the concept of “business VD” – a business that is so thoroughly corrupt, mismanaged, or dependent on lucky breaks that any organization that comes into too close contact with it becomes tainted.

I can think of tons of examples of this outside MMA. Enron would be the big one, but NorTel and a few others jump to mind as well. Maybe GM at the moment… Excellent analogy!

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id say it more than didnt live up to expectations. but at least in a roundabout way they funded dream. now we as mma fans are gifted to see half of the bash brothers get beat up.

id say they didnt get involved with exc because there wasnt anything they wanted from them they couldnt get without buying them. if anything, pride taught them a lesson about doing that.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So are you saying that Pride was a gold-digger who gave all the money to her daughter?

Or am I way overextending an analogy?

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably more like a crackwhore with a pushup bra. instead of putting out at the cheap motel, she jumped out the window with the dudes wallet and scored a few more hits.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then died.

by subo on May 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s… depressingly accurate.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What M-1 is doing in trying to grow their brand in Russia or elsewhere is commendable…

How they are using Fedor and not placing his interests first is despicable.

by mmalogic on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

In Soviet Russia, Management drive you!

They act like he is there employee and not the other way around.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

clearly that is very different from the model of north american mma, where the promoters work for the fighters. oh, wait.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manager work for fighters. M-1 is Fedor’s management as well as a promotion. Not only is it a conflict of interest to be both at the same time, but also to be so upfront about putting M-1 promotion before Fedor’s interest.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s one of the things I’ve never liked that Mark Pavelich does: he manages fighters on his own promotion. THAT BOTHERS ME. I do not see how that can NOT be a conflict of interest.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See Dana White / Chuck Liddell

Absolutely nothing new going on in that front.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, not at all. And I never like it. It really, really bugs me. It’s probably my no.1 beef in MMA, possible exception of PED use.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana stopped being Chuck’s manager after they bought the UFC.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True. He pasted them off on someone else because it was a conflict of interest.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only in title

Chuck has always been Dana’s boy. They are having a bit of tiff right now seeing that Dana re-inserted himself as Chuck’s official manager to end his career. In the end it will work out, they’ve had glorious partnership in UFC for 5 years.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t negotiate Chucks deal with himself.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure those talks were quite heated. Let’s see Chuck, this is the top of my pay scale . . . how about I slot you here?

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Promoters putting the promotion ahead of the fighters is the way the business works. Managers putting themselves ahead of their fighters is unethical as shit. Doing both is a huge conflict of interest.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 29, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid comparison…

The day a manager or dana starts using most of the fighter pay that was negotiated for the fighter to create his or her own promotion then you have something to compare.

by mmalogic on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

at the same time, with the shady nature of russian accounting, the same way mmalogic can argue that fedors only getting paid 1/3 of the purse and get away with it is the same way he could be getting a kickback from vlad mobsterzski for allowing that clause. no one has any proof either way. honestly i could care less about the crocodile tears.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, maybe Fedor benefits from M-1 getting perks, but why not get Fedor some money and have Fedor invest it in M-1.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id say fedor is getting money right now if hes making 7 figures each of these fights. somehow i dont think he or m1 are hurting. not only that, i dont see how having fedor invest in m1 would be any different. his services could be enough of an investment to demand payment.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they seem to think that since Fedor is #1 that they can ride his coat-tails until they arrive at a point where they are a successful promotion. Fact is, Emelianenko is not a big enough name (nor is anyone) to drive a promotion alone. A healthy organization is one that constantly puts on good shows with the capacity for star power. I’m not a financial analyst but I think Bellator seems to be doing pretty well for itself in that regard, without exploiting Eddie Alvarez the way M-1 has with Fedor. I do think the M-1 shows are solid, though. They are just going about the Fedor situation the wrong way.

by Ahhhoki on May 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

M-1

Has the M-1 Challenge, which is pretty much a global Bellator, and they have been doing it for years already to develop talent. All M-1 is doing is using Fedor for Co-promotional purposes to help them grow, which makes sense on their end.

by MMASuPreMaCy on May 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are doing it at the expense of a big check for Fedor.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Fedor’s making the same money outside UFC with less restrictions and more career input.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is well known that the UFC had the biggest money offer for Fedor on the table, but it was more restrictive. Sure Fedor is making a lot of money, but not as much as he could. I think his management is misleading him on the deals that are on the table and guiding him to deals that are more favorable to M-1 and less favorable to Fedor.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think that, but you don’t actually have any evidence to support it. And you’re hardly alone on that front. There’s so much speculation and so little known fact surrounding this situation that it really isn’t worth the arguments.

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember a quote that applies here, though I can’t remember who it’s from:

“The presence of fact reveals events; the absence of fact reveals motivation.”

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, I don’t have details, but its well known that M-1 is out to improve there standing with the uses of Fedor. They want Red Devil guys guaranteed spots on show, they want Co-promotion. They want all sorts of alt compensation that Fedor won’t see any benefit from. Do I know why? no. Do I know if Fedor is behind what they are trying to do? no. I THINK they are screwing him over, but I can’t say with 100%.

by szucconi on May 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is a partner in M-1 Global. Could be argued he deserves a larger ownership percentage since he brings in the biggest source of revenue. However, no one knows the financial details of the arrangement. Anyways, it’s reasonable to assume Fedor does benefit from M-1 global dealings as a promotion.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you are wrong again…

affliction is paying close to what the UFC offered, but heres the big DIFFERENCE:

Zuffa only wanted to pay Fedor and then Fedor could pay his “managers”.

Affliction pays Finkie and then Finkie buys Fedor some vanilla ice cream.

by mmalogic on May 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for breaking down the distribution of wealth. We all know how different those pie charts look.

by bignerd on May 29, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they might be. what would he be getting paid in the ufc? no one knows, right? and better yet, no one would find out exactly what either.

crocodile tears + dana white talking points = 100 replies.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can buy that.

by Luke Thomas on May 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well now that internet people cant talk crap about his level of opposition or not fighting in places with piss tests, i guess that leaves us with ‘hes a stupid rube’. if only he were as smart as brandon vera!

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Darn those evil M-1 guys, everyone knows that all promoter/managers put the fighter interests firsts and not their own!

by MMASuPreMaCy on May 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d with a vengeance

by subo on May 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And just what are Fedor interests exactly that arent being placed first??

by GeeDub on May 29, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still doubt the veracity of Dana's "crazy Russians want Zuffa to build them an arena" comment

Always seemed like Dana was full of his usual bluster and hyperbole there, blowing things out of proportion. I find it extremely hard to believe that M1 seriously asked Zuffa to build a several hundred million dollar arena for them in exchange for allowing Fedor to fight in the UFC.

I’m more inclined to believe Fedor has serious issues with the draconian UFC contract clauses (signing your likeness away for a lifetime, champions clause, etc), which is what keeps the two sides apart.

by a tommy point on May 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Seems logical doesnt it. But Ive heard so many other explanations.
- Fedor is greedy and wanted too much money
- Fedor’s camp wanted a stadium built
- Fedor wanted all the red devil fighters to get UFC contracts too
- Fedor wants to fight cans to pad his record
- Fedors management are misleading him about what opportunities are out there for him.

Id love to know what all these accusations are based on.

by GeeDub on May 29, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite one at the time from the ufc is that fedor absolutely didnt want to fight tim sylvia. first fight with affliction? tim sylvia.

each side is talking a bunch of bs. that’s the only fact here.

by nigelzackit on May 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget the hyperbole and bluster from the other side of the table here. Finkelstein had an interview a while back where he claimed the UFC contract required Fedor to ‘give up ten things in his life he never thought he’d have to give up’ or something to that effect. Yet when pressed on what these things were exactly, Vadim claimed he couldn’t remember.

by ilostmydog on May 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fans naturally take the side they like and blame the other,

by who me on May 29, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t seem that either side is wrong. Zuffa has made an offer. M-1 countered and they simply couldn’t come to turns. It’s simply business. No reason for either side to be upset. Zuffa has only seen thier bottom line improve since the deal fell through. I’m confident that Emelianenko is content as well. Such is life.

by SlickRick00 on May 29, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, dammit! You can’t say things like that! What will we bitch and moan about?

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Zuffa doesn’t need Fedro.
Fedro doesn’t need Zuffa.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 29, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Fedor losses then he is screwed, while Zuffa continues to make millions regardless.

by Raker on May 29, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but i NEED my:

fedor vs brock
fedor vs machida
fedor vs a. silva

eyes to back of head, drool out of mouth

by fuzzy wuzzy on May 29, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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