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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: The Karate Wizardry of Lyoto Machida

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One of the great things about running a community blog is the unexpected contributions from people who have some some subject matter expertise on a topic I personally don't know that much about.

This week's discussions of Lyoto Machida's application of Shotokan Karate to MMA is a perfect example. Luke has been grappling with the question of whether or not Machida's novel karate techniques will find wider application in MMA. A Shotokan practitioner, DanielH dropped by and shared his perspective in the comments:

But it is not true that you can’t learn aspects of Shotokan and apply them to MMA. Anderson Silva already does this as do many high level boxers and kickboxers. The difference is that level of understanding of the stand up game is almost intuitive to high level practitioners of other martial arts but is rarely ever isolated, categorized and taught the way it is in Shotokan Karate. For example, all good boxers know there is a time when an opponent can be attacked and they cannot defend, it is a moment when the mind is in reset mode so to speak, and in Shotokan there is a name for that moment. In boxing there is not. I remember training zanshin, and training how to measure and time a strike or counter strike not just based on physical moments, but by your opponent’s breathing, his eyes even would tell you when they are ‘blanked out’ or in ‘reset mode’ and can be attacked. I remember kyo as Machida put it.

Top level athletes can learn these elements or at least learn how not to give themselves away and be such easy targets for someone like Machida. Very much how in the early UFCs, after some basic training people were learning to sprawl and basic defenses against BJJ practitioners. The person that wrote the above e-mail is right, it takes years and years to be able to strike and fight like a high level Shotokan Karate black belt, and it is not attractive to most emerging athletes, but elements of what is TAUGHT in Shotokan are intuitively understood by other striking arts if not articulated well. What I believe will happen is this higher level of striking will be articulated better and implementations will be made in the game of the modern MMA athlete. And Shotokan will lead the way here with Machida being the standard bearer.

I should clarify that while Lyoto is implementing many Shotokan techniques that are novel to MMA, he's a very well rounded Mixed Martial Artist. A blackbelt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, he has also trained muay thai, sumo and wrestling extensively. But I do believe his application of novel techniques gives him an edge.

In the full entry we'll see some gifs and videos and Jordan Breen compares Machida's footwork to Rashad Evans'.

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Jordan Breen did this analysis in the BE comments:

This tiny loop pretty much puts the fight in a nutshell. In that short span, there's about 30 things Lyoto does properly, and about 300 Evans does wrong.

Machida's entire style is based on movement. The Shotokan background, his stance and hand positioning allow him to key on a guy's first move, and attempt to cut him off. His lynchpin of his entire offense is that single diagonal punch, which he can throw lead or power hand, from either stance, as he goes across his body toward his opponent's lead hand, to initiate the clinch. The short punch isn't a massive power shot, but it catches an opponent off balance before they land, and normally lets him move straight to double unders, or forces an opponent to take a step back and alter their stance.

Yet, despite the fact this single move is Machida's bread and butter, Evans first crowhops toward Machida, then picks his left foot up off the groudn even after he lands. His left hand, even though Machida parries it, isn't even making a fist. He's essentially wasting an entire sequence of obvious body movements to attempt to set up a power punch, which is furthest away from Lyoto. This is like playing in the NFL, knowing a team is going to rush seven, and running a triple flea flicker.

On top of that, look at the brutal disparity in footwork. As I pointed out, Evans crowhops, then takes his left foot off the ground for no reason. When Lyoto lands his left, Evans is standing on nothing but the toes on his right foot. Meanwhile, Machida has an incredibly wide stance and is throwing a punch moving across his body, away from his back leg, yet the ball of his left foot stays on the floor.

These empty generalities of "make him strike first" are just going to keep getting guys merc'd if they aren't watching tape and figuring out ways to take specific offensive tactics away from Lyoto.

BE community member and Shotokan karate student DanielH elaborated on the specific elements of Shotokan that Machida applied against Evans:

...components of Shotokan Karate (can) be understood and sort of implemented in today’s martial artists. The mistake with Rashad was that he had WAY too much faith in boxing he didn’t realize how he would naturally start to measure his distance based on his arm reach was a recipe for disaster against Machida. Also, he would expose his reset period I mean that brief 0.5-1 second where you let your mind relax or ‘reset’ itself after executing a movement. For example, Rashad would throw a kick or a few punches than back up and let his hands down to reset himself and think his next strategy and little by little Machida would be closing the distance by inching forward, cutting off the space between them until he got to kicking distance. Rashad kept doing this until before he knew it he was in Machida’s kicking range. And Machida threw a few kicks to test Rashad’s reactions. When he saw Rashad in that unprotected moment, what Machida calls ‘kyo’ where you can’t react your mind is recovering from the last reaction you made, he pounced on Rashad. That is pure Shotokan training and Machida isn’t the only one that can do this, he is the anolomy that can survive in the UFC and demonstrate this skill to the MMA community in a context they beleive is ‘real’.

I attribute Rashad’s ability to keep from being swept on the feet only due to his remarkable reflexes and speed because he was caught off balance on more than one occasion but Machida couldn’t capitalize. Things like striking without lifting your back heel, measuring distance, knowing how not to leave yourself exposed are all things that can be ‘taken’ from Shotokan Karate the same way the guard or arm bar was taken from BJJ or the Plum clinch was taken from Muay Thai.

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People say Machida leans back in his stance, but in reality he is standing straight with good posture so as not be off balance. His control over his center of gravity, and his sumo training that reinforced this skill, contributed to the success he had in transitioning to training in wrestling with R1. The fundamentals could be reapplied to other arts is my main point. Usually boxers and kickboxers hunch over or lean over in their stances unwittingly compromising their center of gravity to maintain a defensive, huddled up type of posture. You can kind of see how Chuck Liddell experimented with traditional karate posture in developing his own interpretation that was effective for letting him strike with power but also being ready to defend a takedown. The biggest mistake with Chuck is he became so enamored with KOing people with his hands he developed a bad habit of keeping his hands down while in punching range. A habit he developed from Karate but only ok if you are out of punching range and you aren’t leaning over open to a head kick.

At the same time, Shotokan Karate is very different from Kyokushin or Kenpo or most any other style of Karate – so much they are almost unrecognizable from each other. JSKA or ISKA endorsed Shotokan Karate has an extreme emphasis on controlling your center of gravity and stance and posture. In Kyokushin and Kenpo, you don’t have nearly as much emphasis on stance and have much more liberty with how you throw strikes, Shotokan is very strict in many respects.

Here's a video of Lyoto in a Karate tournament in Brazil:

 

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This is why I love the BE community. Big props to DanielH and Breen. Seriously, the more I read and see regarding Lyoto, the more I am inclined to believe it will take a serious technician and cerebral fighter to defeat him. This is why I don’t think Shogun can beat Machida. Too many holes. Still, this is MMA and anything can happen.

Hindsight, it really does look like Rashad and Team Jackson had a terrible game plan. I guess you could chalk that one up to “WTF were you thinking?”

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by pud333 on May 29, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

one thing to keep in mind

is that Shogun’s leaping hook that finished Chuck looked a lot like Nakamura’s leaping hook that tagged Lyoto.
Shogun would have dropped Lyoto with that punch.
There are gifs of both in recent threads but I have to do some work at my day job or I’d re post them here.
Let’s not forget that Shogun’s capoeira training includes some completely insane kicks from even further outside than Machida’s strikes.
I’ll probably pick Lyoto in that match, but it won’t be a walkover like Thiago Silva was.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that leaping hook is pretty devastating. Shogun is definitely a good enough fighter to give Machida troubles, but there are still a lot of question marks with Shogun. It should be a good show between those two, regardless. I doubt this match will go into the championship rounds. If Machida can get past Shogun, and (hopefully Rampage beats Rashad, which I think he will), it should set up an awesome showdown. The next year should be really exciting for the LHW division!

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by pud333 on May 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, you’re killing me with this leaping hook stuff.

I don’t think he’s going to land that leaping hook, and I don’t think anyone is going to land that type of shot ever again. To me, Machida just looks even more technical in his stance than he did during the Nakamura fight. He looks like an absolute mental juggernaut in that he controls himself so well. The Evans fight was just another show of how disciplined he is in his style.

I could be wrong, and maybe those leaping punches could punish him, but I don’t see it happening.

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by Leland Roling on May 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nevermind that if a few internet nerds like us can spot something like that, Machida’s team probably can too.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’m a bit surprised Nakamura landed it, but with Machida being the champ now, it looks as if he’s defintely going to wait for his opportunity to counter when it looks prime for the taking. Even Rashad’s little hand movement was enough to allow Machida to quickly bash his chin in. I can’t imagine seeing Shogun throw a leaping hook without Machida moving out of the way or parrying the attack and countering all over Shogun’s chin.

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by Leland Roling on May 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that there’s potential for leaping “attacks” to be used as covers to close distance or force angles? I would think that if someone like Shogun were to do that knowing they’ll get hit on the way and cover up (as in, throw the technique intending to not land it) that they could get Machida backpeddaling or use it to try and get in tight for a clinch. But that’s speculation.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would seem to play straight into machida’s judo. i don’t know what his weaknesses are.

by fuzzy wuzzy on May 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

hey I’ve got to have something to talk about!
I agree that its unlikely, I’m just saying its not impossible.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m just thinking that ONE shot like that isn’t going to end Machida’s reign. That’s all I’m really saying. It could be effective, but for how long?

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by Leland Roling on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great write up guys.

by SplitBreast on May 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DanielH needs to write more things I can read and then get pissed off at because I can’t write or analyze at the same level. Screw you DanielH. You excellent writer you.

by begottenson on May 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See, my excuse has always been, “I could write that, but I don’t want to.” :)

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by pud333 on May 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evans' foot work lost him the fight.

I love that this article pointed out Evans flawed footwork. Everyone is talking about how Evans came into the fight with the wrong strategy; this could not be further from the truth. The main problem was Evans foot work, when he was moving he stayed on his toes and bounced around, but prior to throwing any strike he needed to step forward onto his front foot and take a wider base. This was easy for me to see from home; I am sure that Machida could read this obvious tell from the cage. Well some fight telegraph what strike they are going to throw, Evens went so far as to announce that he was going to strike. He made the fight far to easy for Machida.

by MrPants on May 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rashad’s footwork definitely sucked, but he was also waiting to make Machida make the first move, counterpunching the counter puncher. If it wasn’t clear before the fight, it’s startlingly clear now: you can’t beat Machida at his own game. I just think Team Jackson had it wrong this time.

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by pud333 on May 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can’t beat Machida at his own game

That’s definitely true, especially at this point in his career when he’s been playing that game by those rules longer than anyone else that he will fight. I can see what Jackson/Evans were going for, but when someone is SO dominant in one aspect of the contest (counterpunching), you can’t necessarily negate that advantage sufficiently to make it worth the effort of trying. It’s like in basketball or hockey: there’s two schools of thought with regard to defending the best players. You either try and limit the amount of damage they can do by forcing them to work harder to implement their game (the equivalent of trying to force the counter puncher to strike first would be making the guy with the great wrist shot set up right in front of the net), or you end up admitting that they’re going to win that phase of the game, so you might as well play by different rules as much as possible (let Lebron get his points, but never let any of his teammates get a good look).

That being said, a big advantage that Lyoto has at this point is that the full extent of his skill set isn’t really known. We KNOW that he might be the best counter puncher in MMA right now. We know about his exceptional ballance, fakes, trips and sweeps, and so on. But he may be just as dominant in other aspects of the fight and we just haven’t necessarily seen his whole bag of tricks yet.

Regardless, I agree that the only way that anyone will beat Machida is by forcing him outside of his comfort zone; you don’t do that by hanging back and waiting for him to strike first because A) he’s more patient than you, pretty much guaranteed, and B) he has a great way of frustrating and sucking guys in. That’s where Rashad’s footwork doomed him – when Machida slowly started to drag him forward.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't blame the plan when the technique is so poor.

You can’t write off the theory that forcing Machida to counter punch is the way to beat him because of the Evans fight. regardless of the strategy is must be executed with a high level of fluency in order to beat someone as skilled as Machida. Evans spent most of the fight in a position where he coiuldn’t throw punches, either to initiate punches or to counter punch, because his feet weren’t set. When he did decide to punch his footwork was so poor and telegraphed his decision so obviously that it would have negated any theory. We still don’t know if a counter punching strategy performed with a higher degree of skill is capable of beating Machida.

by MrPants on May 29, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i second that

but it can’t just be a counter punching strategy b/c you will get destroyed with kicks. some counter punchers might be stronger than machida (page?) but they will be destroyed by kicks.

common counter for kicks is to catch them in order to get your takedown or to punch a guy in the face. but machida is ok with you catching his leg, b/c he will punch you in the face! that’s what he did to machida.

by fuzzy wuzzy on May 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the stuff DanielH wrote is very interesting and well written. However it feels like Karate guy from the 90s telling everyone how awesome he is.
Machida certainly uses some amazing techniques pulled from his karate experience. However it is not a superior striking art.
The reason it works so well is because it is executed by an amazing athlete with a great understanding of the other aspects of MMA. Without Machida’s speed and accuracy, all the Karate people who have been marginalized for a decade would not have to opportunity to come out of the woodwork and tell us all how great karate is.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on May 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, you really have something against karate…….

by soadtrails on May 29, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you don't see that

Machida’s background and karate techniques aren’t a big part of his overall package, I don’t know what to say.
Of course he’s a gifted athlete, at this level everyone is.
Rashad is probably physically every bit as quick and accurate as Lyoto but he doesn’t have the technical tools that Lyoto has.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Machida was much quicker. Obviously he is the better striker overall. I’m not saying that there are no aspects of karate that should be included in a fighters stand up game. I bet if you took the best karate fighter in the world and put them in K1 they would not last 2 minutes. Karate simply does not stand up based on its technical merits alone.

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by MonkeyCHops on May 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever heard of Andy Hug?

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah several Karate guys

have WON K1.
Andy Hug most famously.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyway I seriously doubt that we will see a wave of karate guys taking over MMA.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on May 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

clearly

but I am excited at the prospect of more mma guys cross-pollinating some of the principles of shotokan — Anderson Silva already has.
And even more excited about the prospect of other Lyotos out there studying other arts and rounding out their game with JJ and wrestling and muy thai so they can bring new ideas to MMA.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, there used to be a time when “strikers” like kickboxers and boxers had pretty much no place in MMA. Now, there are lots of guys who effectively use a kickboxing/boxing base, but they’ve combined their training to include wrestling, jiu jitsu, etc. in a way that allows them to do so effectively. And in return many other fighters picked up elements of boxing and kickboxing. We’re well past a point where any one “style” of martial art is going to be completely dominant, but we’re nowhere near the end of the evolution of MMA as a sport, and just about everything has a place somewhere if used intelligently.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DanielH nailed it

Although I am still not quite convinced you can learn that sort of intuitive timing in a short period of time. That first video is a perfect example of advanced ‘one step’ sparring and timing practice. Stand in front of each other and try to pick up on your opponents Kyo. The loser gets the Sensei’s shinai to the back. ; )

by Daveyboy on May 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That gif is amazing. If I’ve learned anything from these Judo Chop segments, it’s that you shouldn’t paw with the jab.

by ricker2005 on May 29, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless you’re a Diaz, apparently. It always looks so ugly and yet they make it work.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read post from Antonio Carvalho on another board that pointed out another bit about Machida’s footwork, particularly that it’s a very traditional Shotokan style, as opposed to modern sport Shotokan. You can see it in that video of the karate tournament. His opponent is bouncing around, while Machida is very settled.

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Link the Carvalho thread, please.

by Luke Thomas on May 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

24th Post

In this thread.

And while you’re at it, the guy who started that thread has a blog with some good Japanese perspectives.

by FRANKIE on May 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff!

thanks

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's the post

From Antonio Carvalho:

For whatever it’s worth, my base style for striking was Shotokan Karate. My stance and footwork were taken from the contemporary competition style Shotokan. Lyoto has a very traditional shotokan stance. This is quite amazing to see. The difference between the contemporary “sport style” Shotokan and the traditional style is that the “sport” style, fighters bounce on the balls of their feet and the traditional way, they stay flat footed. The footwork and angles are virtually the same. It’s just the “new style” is more dynamic. However, that does not mean it is more effective.

I found that using the bouncing style against flat footed heavy punchers (Sato and Takaya for example) there was a huge flaw. It was easy for me to get hit with the over-hand type punches. (Example, Sato hammers me right at the start of our fight. Also, Takaya knocks me down late in the second). I realized after this brutally honest lesson (hehe) what the problem was. For starters, the stance of “Sport” Shotokan, the lead foot is at a 45 degree angle. This make it difficult to shoot for takedowns, block takedowns and block leg kicks (Traditional Boxers have this problem also). So, the shorter, heavy handed fighter, could often drop his weight down (centre of gravity) and throw a huge over-hand punch that would catch me as I came in. Sometimes, I got away with it, sometimes I did not. Against such fighters, using the traditional stance would have worked better because I should have used a static stance where my feet did not leave the floor so much (Although technically I am not, but it does look that way. The balls of the feet are pushing into the floor at an a angle in order to explode forward, back, side or to hit an angle). I also found that because I was my feet weren’t planted enough, it is more difficult to generate K.O power. That being said, against a taller fighter (Example, Hioki) in which it is more difficult for him to get under me (obviously because I am the shorter fighter) the dynamic style of the bounce coupled with the proper timing and speed worked great. So now I am trying to find the happy medium between the two (Combined with some of the boxing and Thai-boxing ways of doing things.)

The beauty of Machida is that he really takes his traditional style and applies it amazingly to mma. He also happens to be doing this since he was a young child. His sense of timing, distance and footwork are simply incredible. He can explode from a stand still and clobber his opponent. His body moves and his fist is right on the target (Traditional reverse punch lol). Also, if you watch closely, you can see how he is able to counter an attack by hitting an angle and firing his technique. Basically, he is not there in front of his opponent. By the time his opponent tries to reset the stance and face him, they are taking punches or being swept (Yes, the sweeping techniques he uses is part of Shotokan Karate). I also believe that the fact that he is a southpaw complicates things too. Finally, the man does not get hit. This philosophy is very much the Samurai mentality in regards to the sword. You could not afford to stand there and get sliced. One strike one kill type mentality. Also, Karate is meant to be a bare-fisted style with no use of gloves etc.

I am really happy to see Machida get his dues. I have said it from the start, the man is very special and truly represents what martial arts is. The Machida era is going to be fun to watch.

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by Kid Nate on May 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just remembered a conversation about how GSP sacrifices KO power for accuracy, speed and ballance by staying flat footed and in a fairly low crouched stance. He too comes from a karate background. I know he didn’t always fight that way, but he has been lately.

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by AJB on May 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm…

Yet, despite the fact this single move is Machida’s bread and butter, Evans first crowhops toward Machida, then picks his left foot up off the groudn even after he lands. His left hand, even though Machida parries it, isn’t even making a fist. He’s essentially wasting an entire sequence of obvious body movements to attempt to set up a power punch, which is furthest away from Lyoto. This is like playing in the NFL, knowing a team is going to rush seven, and running a triple flea flicker.

It looks like to me that Rashad was trying to move forward to unload with his right. Hence why he crowhopped in, faked with the left hand, then threw the right off balance after he was smoked by Machida’s straight punch.

I don’t think he was taking his foot off the ground for no reason at all. I think he was looking to throw more power into his right hand. If I quickstep into Machida, throw my hand out as either a disguised punch or hand to block an incoming attack, I could see the left foot coming off the ground if I was truly trying to muster a lot of power in the right. The massive problem with that is that loading up your hands against Machida is a huge mistake. He’s quick enough and intelligent enough to see what’s happening.

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by Leland Roling on May 29, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nick posted this earlier, Shawn Tompkins thinks bringing in high level karate guys to emulate Machida is the key.

by The Bronzeville Bully on May 29, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Evans likes to throw a lot of feints in his fights. The problem with that is most top level Karate black belts are taught to watch the body of the opponent to look for specific body movements. So when Rashad throws a feint, Machida barely pays it attention and is able to react and counter punch very quickly.

Another thing that I don’t like about Evans is the fact he’s so bouncy when fighting, I was always taught that bouncing up and down like a boxer is a waste of energy and actually ends up telegraphing your movements more because you have to stop before attacking for the briefest of moments.

Machida staying mostly planted in his feet movement gives him the ability to generate more kinetic energy. So, not only is his footwork superior, but it also gives him the ability to strike harder.

by bloodmoney on May 29, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just wanted to say:

Awesome, awesome post.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on May 30, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Puzzle wrapped in an Enigma

Some very good comments, and a lot of those about karate are spot on. But what is being missed is that Machida is a karate/sumo fighter. Sumo is all about keeping your base, staying off the ground and taking your opponent’s balance. His sumo allows him to do three things: control the clinch, dictate positioning (on top of a grounded opponent or keeping the fight standing) and fully commit to his karate techniques without worry of the takedown. The wide stance of his karate and the sumo also blend seamlessly. Without the sumo he would be quickly finished by a fighter with solid wrestling putting him on his back, despite his high-level karate. Machida is quite simply a different type of mixed martial artist in that he has mixed classical Japanese arts for his stand-up—this is what makes him special. The puzzle of Machida is obviously his high-level karate, but the enigma it is wrapped within is his sumo. For opponents, like Tito for example, the solution of solving the puzzle of his karate by initiating a clinch just leads to getting tossed around within the enigma of his sumo.

by SB000 on May 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Since footwork is Lyotos strength

why not attack that? Stop thinking about flying elbows (first post) and fast hands. When a guy throws, step in instead of lean in, and jam up his legs. Throw in a Teep kick and get this guy off balance. Move around and work angles. Do like a good boxer/kick boxer would and throw fakes to get him to shift his weight some first. Also, these fights are in a cage… use that and work him over towards it. Besides this fight, Lyoto always seems defensive so back him up to where he cant move around like he normally does.

Keep in mind anyones legs are longer than their arms so to work distance, thorw kicks.

Its going to take a quick, tall guy with range and good balance to beat Lyoto but if the guy starts working on how to work distances and mess with this guys footwork, it can be done.

by ryanwk628 on May 30, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Footwork

its a shame to say that other sports dont have the emphasis on footwork as Karate. I remember when I was boxing, thats all my trainer would talk about. Footwork sets up everything. Its true of any stand up. There are different styles yes, but each of these sports lets you know that you need balance and a good base to fight. My first boxing sesh, my trainer pulled out an old boxing book from 1900 and it compaired boxing footwork to fencing, showing how to step into a jab and turn on a hook. Stepping in gives you an extra foot or reach.

The problem is, with most MMA fighters, they dont practice traditional martial arts, but a hybrid of several styles. Most of the stand up is a bastardized form of Kick Boxing. The foot work and reach has been sacrificed for take down D as the fighers square up. Can you imagne a fencer fighting squared up?

Lyoto can fight a traditional stance because he has an 85% take down D, is amazing on one leg (second only to BJ Penn) and is a BJJ black belt. He forces guys to stand up with him, and if youre using the squared up style of anything vs his traditional, effective perpendicular stance, youre going to have a shorter reach, less power, be a bigger target and loose.

To beat Lyoto, guys need work on a one legged hopping take down D where you keep one foot under you after your lead foot is grabbed so they can stand up with him in a traditional stance.

by ryanwk628 on May 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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