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German Boxing Commentator says MMA is for Nazis - Why the UFC has a long way to go in Germany

"Ultimate Fighting is for Nazis." Werner Schneyder spreads ridiculous thoughts on prime time TV.

I don’t really get it. What the hell is wrong with the Germans? Don’t get me wrong, I’m a German, too. But since the UFC is trying to get a foot in the door that is the continental Europe market, things are really getting hostile for those of us who love a good old fashioned fight. But let’s start from the beginning…

When the word was spread that Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta are going to invite several german journalists to Vegas, to watch Brock Lesnar beating the living hell out of Randy Couture and afterwards have a little meet and greet with Dana, Lorenzo and the fighters, the MMA Fans in Germany were on a role. 'The hype is on', that’s what everybody believed.

Sure, there’ll be some suckers from the government, from the media, from wherever those hypocrites come from, we thought, but no one expected a witch-hunt like the one that’s going on right now in this country. For years there have been countless smaller MMA-Shows all over Germany and no politician or journalist cared about them. But now that we have big elections coming up and there are several real problems in this country that people could start asking questions about, it’s quite fitting that a big organization from the states is coming over here to promote an event where two guys will pound the hell out of each other in a steel cage. I mean seriously: That MUST be bad for our children.

So what happened next? Of course, child protective services made clear that the Lanxess Arena in Cologne, where UFC 99 will take place in two weeks, should ban minors from the show. And they did. As if that isn’t already enough the whole media seems very busy, bashing on the new demon they luckily found. The biggest German newspapers BILD and FAZ for example published several bad investigated and partially bogus articles.

This is all bad, but the biggest hit has been made from the german news TV show "Stern TV" last night. They invited three experts to the show (which is watched by millions of viewers by the way) and started a discussion about "Ultimate Fighting". The experts were: a doc (who was actually pretty cool, as he didn’t say anything really bad about MMA and simply called the things how they really are), a fighter from Germany (Gregor Herb, known from the M1-Challenge shows on HDnet, who did a pretty good job in staying calm and collective and being a respectful ambassador for the sport) and Werner Schneyder, a former boxing commentator, who is by far the most stupid and ignorant person I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately he is one of the savviest persons, too.

He knew exactly he was coming with almost zero arguments. So what he did was, he talked the whole time, interrupted Herb and used every little point where the fighter was staggering a bit against him. On top of that he was basically telling lies to the public. It would take too long for me to tell you the whole story so let me just list the most hilarious or maybe most sad comments by that guy:

- MMA fighters who have a background in other sports, such as wrestling or judo, were basically poor in their respective disciplines. That’s why they started doing MMA.

- He tried to teach Herb how Judo works (even if he has never been on a mat in his life). The funny thing is, that Herb is a Judo black belt (what Schneyder obviously didn’t know).

- He tried to convince Herb and the viewers that, similar to wrestling, MMA fighters don’t really hit opponents when doing ground & pound (of course he didn’t use the term "ground & pound"). Which is a pretty dumb argumentation, because if it WOULD be like that, then no one would get hurt during a fight and the whole "MMA is so barbaric" discussion would be ludicrous.

- The kids on the schoolyard are getting influenced by MMA which results in harder beat downs. Where I come from schoolyard brawls existed long before MMA 'bro. And luckily it is impossible for a trained boxer to lay a smack down on someone else on the street, right Werner?

- He wasn’t able to utter "Martial Arts". He simply couldn’t do it.

- According to Schneyder "Marzial Art" (which is the way he tried to pronounce it) is a "scene word" for ultimate fighting and it is derived from the word "war".

- MMA fighters are no really trained athletes and they are not able to master one single martial art. They only know a few things from a few disciplines which they try to use in an amateurish way. (After being reminded that Decathlon athletes, for example are mediocre in many disciplines, too, instead of being perfect in one, he only responded: "Forget the comparison!")

But the most ridiculous thing that he said was that:

"Ultimate Fighting is for Nazis who go out and stomp people in the gutter."

Good job Werner, very reputable.
There is one good thing about the whole show though: At the end of the discussion the host Günther Jauch told the viewers to vote, if the government should ban MMA or not. By the time the show was over he presented the result of the voting. 13,000 people participated in it. 69 percent of them voted "No" and obviously don’t give a damn about Schneider and his antics. Only 32 percent of the voters said: "Yes, please ban MMA."

A long way to go, indeed. But it looks like there’s some kind of a light at the end of a long tunnel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Great story.

Rec’d.

The acceptance of MMA overseas IMO will be just like what happened here in the U.S. Politicians will exaggerate and/or straight up lie about what actually goes on in during a MMA match but people who are exposed to it will gradually see that the “CAGED BLOOD VIOLENCE HIDE YO KIDZ” statements made about MMA are false.

by Tonley on May 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

One of the all-time great quotes.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

FanPosts this good make me hesitant to start doing it again. Rec’d.

by Derek Suboticki on May 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m suprised by the lack of comments on this post…scared of all the text? It was a great read and summary…sounds like the Germans have some outspoken people who would love to go to dinner with Bob Rielly, but with enough time, MMA can be a big hit over there as well.

I’m sure America’s deteriorating image in Europe has played a little bit of a factor in this as well. But Zuffa has always been good about a steady rate of fighting for acceptance, and I’m sure with time and effort MMA will be successful there as well.

by Kaleb Kelchner on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks guys

First of all I’m ne to the community, so: “hi guys”.
Thanks for the recs, it’s appreciated. I hope there aren’t too many typing mistakes, as english isn’t my mother tongue.

@topic:
This Schneyder guy is a sucker. The problem is that people over here start listening to this type of guys more and more and a pretty hostile mood towards MMA afficionados is starting to grow. It’s kinda weird to say the least…

I truly hope the UFC will make it here, to establish this whole MMA / true sport / everyone wants to be a part of it – thing in the near future. Because if the wrong people think it really should be banned, then it WILL BE banned, for good. But at least I believe that this is long way to go, too.

Cheers

www.soccerkick.de
--pound4pound the best in the game--

by www.groundandpound.de on May 28, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there some way we as a fanbase can lend a hand out there for you guys?

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on May 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in too.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 29, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll start by seconding RoyalB’s offer to help. Maybe if people like me who don’t fit the “Nazis who go out and stomp people” mold write a bunch of letters on why we love and practice MMA? I don’t know… If fans from over here, though, could find a way to help en masse, that would be cool. It could be “The great BE Airlift”! Help our German friends! Since I came up with the title, someone else can work out the logistics; I’ll be over here patting myself on the back…

Anyway, I’ll also say this: in any topic where there’s a deeply rooted difference of opinion – and MMA is very polarizing – the people who are against something always come off the loudest. I still hear people spouting all kinds of hyperbole about how bad MMA is, etc. etc., some of it on par with this nonsense. After that kid nearly died in a fight in Winnipeg (because his corner was stupid, he was stupid, the ref was stupid, the promoter was stupid, and his opponent was actually a good fighter – a perfect shitstorm that rarely happens), people went apeshit in Canada. But you know what? The fans and supporters just kind of smile and shrug, support local shows, crowd the increasing number of bars and restaurants that show PPVs, and otherwise keep moving the sport forward. Hot air will sway people, sure, but only for so long. I’m not saying ignore guys like this; I’m just saying don’t play by their rules. Oppose them by actively finding ways to support MMA and as the sport becomes more and more visible and well known, the fear mongers have less and less to rely on.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should get a couple of Dr. Maeda's essays translated...

and passed off in pamplet form.

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on May 30, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all changes after the event.

Once people see it, and there isn’t a fan riot and nobody dies and the press notes the huge crowd, the anti-MMA brigade whither and die in minutes.

Happens everywhere. They bitch until they see it. Then they grumble and find something else to concern troll.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on May 30, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did WWII make Germany gun shy? Kind of a self imposed hatred for all things violent?

Great Post recd.

by Riney on May 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not just Germany; there’s a similar attitude in a lot of circles in Europe, including in France and Belgium. Funny, since they LOVE kickboxing…

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 28, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignorance just amazes me. Kill several boxers a year and its cool, but MMA is for Nazis…wow.

by Riney on May 28, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If France loves kickboxing so much, why do they try to humiliate the fighters?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 28, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen the shit that comes down a Paris fashion runway? Those guys got off EASY – no ruffles.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on May 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read in the April Wired
Violence in particular is taboo in Germany’s gaming culture, a holdover from decades of post-World War II soul-searching. In fact, when Parker Brothers tried to introduce Risk there in 1982, the government threatened to ban it on the grounds that it might encourage imperialist and militaristic impulses in the nation’s youth. (The German rules for Risk were hastily rewritten so players could “liberate” their opponents’ territories, and censors let it slide.)

-Wired

by Graven Image on May 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Jesus. If Risk is outlawed, only outlaws will play Risk.

by Derek Suboticki on May 30, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That actually sounds worse.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 30, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

War Euphemisms?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there some way we as a fanbase can lend a hand out there for you guys?

“Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment.”

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on May 28, 2009 11:06 PM CEST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

Indeed you can. Maybe you have already noticed that I have a mma news blog in germany, too. It’s kind of in the startup right now, but I’m trying to get my readers to send as many e-mails as possible to our german sports television. Why? Let me tell you:

DSF, the german sports television had the guts tp put the UFC on free tv, beginning in March. The problem is, that the ratings are shit because they are seriously airing it saturday night at 11 p.m. I might add that there are no live shows. They are airing Unleashed episodes with old fights (which are only an hour long) on saturday night – where everybody is having a proper night out.

So basically what we’re trying to do is convince the DSF to shift the timeslot to sunday or midweek. All you have to do is copy&paste ;o)

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

zunächst einmal vielen Dank für den Mut, die UFC und somit den interessanten Sport der Mixed Martial Arts, nach Deutschland zu bringen. Ich bin mir sicher, dass dies mittelfristig ein richtiger Schritt war und der Erfolg sich einstellen wird. Um erfolgreich zu sein muss man jedoch ständig bemüht sein Fehler zu suchen und sich zu verbessern.

Ich, als Unterstützer des MMA-Sports in Deutschland, wünsche mir, dass das Format UFC Erfolg hat, damit so viele Menschen wie möglich an diesem tollen Sport teilhaben können. Leider ist dies auf Grund der Sendezeiten momentan sehr schwierig.

Die Zielgruppe der Sendung ist zum Sendebeginn, Samstag 23.00 Uhr, zu einem großen Teil nicht daheim vor den Bildschirmen, sondern unterwegs in Clubs, Bars oder Parties. Eine Verlegung des Sendetages auf Sonntag, oder einen beliebigen Wochentag, bei gleichbleibendem Sendebeginn, würde wahre Wunder bewirken.

Ich bin Teil der MMA-Community Deutschlands und habe mit vielen gesprochen, die ähnlicher Meinung sind. Den ersten richtigen Schritt haben Sie bereits getan. Jetzt warten wir auf den Zweiten.

Vielen Dank.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

You can send it to: zuschauerredaktion@dsf.de

The text basically says:

Dear all,

thanks for bringing the UFC to germany. I’d like to support your your programm so here is a proposal. Please air the shows midweek or on sundays as everyone is having a party saturdays nights.

with best regards

add your name

Let me add something: I’m blown away by the readyness to help from you guys. Big thanks from over here!

www.soccerkick.de
--pound4pound the best in the game--

by www.groundandpound.de on May 29, 2009 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

i just sent the email. Thanks to you!

i managed to come with the title in German!

meine Ansicht über den gegenwärtigen UFC Programmzeitplan. (My opinion on UFC program schedule) LOL
Of course, only with the help of Babel Fish.

Then i made my 1st German name. Luther Rosenthal! I did it intentionally so that it actually does look like some German viewer has send it

anyways i sent it in already, i hope MMA gets big in Germany my friend

PEACE!

You have to beat the legend, in order to become the LEGEND
-Melvin Manhoef (after his destruction of Sakuraba)

by chopstickthugz on May 29, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great job!

Actually the title is pretty good – most germans can’t articukate like that lol
Luther Rosenthal, lol – but the idea behind it is good!

Thanks for the support man!

www.soccerkick.de
--pound4pound the best in the game--

by www.groundandpound.de on May 29, 2009 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice add - had a good laugh

It never ends. A geman psychologist said recently:

“The presenation of violent acts can force unstable people to act violent, too. Admittedly this isn’t evidenced, yet. But it isn’t evidenced that showing violence doesn’t affect those people, too. So it is better to ban it.”

Great.

www.soccerkick.de
--pound4pound the best in the game--

by www.groundandpound.de on May 29, 2009 4:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think things will calm down after they have their first show, once people actually see the fights and meet the fighters alot of the bs will go away.

by Raker on May 29, 2009 6:27 AM EDT reply actions  

This happened in America 15 years ago too

It’s one of the growing pains of MMA. Keep up the good fight and they will accept it eventually. The truth will come out because they can’t keep lying—just as New York will eventually lift the ban. It’s the boxing fans/commentators who are always the initial roadblocks. Fear is a powerful emotion.

by cyph on May 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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