TUF 9: a word about Frank, Dan, Fawkner, and Bisping
First of all, IMHO this was one of the most inspiring things I've ever seen on TUF. Maybe THE most inspiring. It was like friggin Rocky. Frank has impressed me with his attitude, humor, and his toughness beyond what I thought a fighter could that wasn't a proven champ. I mean, this guy was beat up bigtime, clearly sore, and afraid because of that and the fact that he was fighting the Brits 'best' guy. He manned up, took a beating, and dished one out, too. I don't think that, even without his throat issues, Faulkner could have beaten him. He just reminded me of the scrappy American standing toe-to-toe and banging it out. I thought it did Frank, Dan, and the US well. Yeah, sure this isn't the Olympics, but the US team has really come together and taken the national spirit over the past several weeks, and I'm a sucker for all of that stuff!
Dan Henderson has turned out to really be cool. I got that sense from him a couple of years ago, but now he is really cool in my eyes. He didn't back down from Bisping in any way. Not that you would expect him to, but still he does not back down and defends his boys.
I'm really enjoying this season. Things started off bad for Team US and the Brits were getting along a lot better at first, but the US got into a groove and sort of weeded out the jerks and one quitter.
As for Faulkner, I'm really stunned about him. He was supposed to be England's best fighter! Turns out that he wants to be a pro-wrestler. Got news for him...that isn't such an easy life either!
One thing I was really surprised about what how much of a whiny jackass Michael Bisping is. Really immature and a real hypocrite and idiot, actually. I remember him being pretty cool on his TUF, but he acts like a baby. I mean, he really loves to talk shit but when someone else talks shit to him he acts like they are classless and out of line! I mean, yeah, I hate the hypocracy that blacks being making fun of whites are funny while whites making fun of blacks as racist. I personally just make fun of everyone (myself included) and if they can't take a joke, fuck 'em! However, the comment from Johnson was reeeeeeally minor, and not really racist. He just said that Bisping looked whiter than a band-aid because the guy is as white as a sheet of paper (they don't have a sun in England?). It wasn't like he called him a cracker or something. Anyway, Bisping had been talking shit since the beginning, but gets upset when someone hits back. And squirting water in Johnson's face was childish and uncalled for. Then when Johnson gets pissed Bisping acts like 'why can't you take a joke'. Like Dan told him later, he wouldn't like it if someone did that to him. "Fair enough" he replied. Come on, Bisping, did you really think that was appropriate?
Anyway, I'm very happy Team Dan/US came back and is meshed well, fought well, and shown guts. It's just a shame that Bisping turned out to be such a prick.
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damarques didn’t say the band-aid thing about bisping, it was cameron dollar. and bisping is a little bitch.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on May 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Point 1: Bisping apologized and admitted it was out of line. Get over it.
Point 2: While Bisping and Henderson were trying to talk, Demarques kept yapping from the back of the crowd. And for the record, I would love to see them fight in an alley.
Point 2: The amazing Frank has so far had three fights.
- 1: He won because his opponent (who was beating him) knocked himself out during a slam.
- 2: He lost.
- 3: He won because his opponent quit.
Not to take anything away from him, but he hasn’t “won” a fight yet.
Point 4: How is Bisping the whiney jackass who acts like a baby, when it was Henderson who was crying about how he needed his beauty sleep? Now, don’t get me wrong, I like Henderson but I think you (and some others) are stretching things a weeeee bit to justify you’re dislike of accents.
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
1: He won because his opponent (who was beating him) knocked himself out during a slam.
2: He lost.
3: He won because his opponent quit.
Not to take anything away from him, but he hasn’t "won" a fight yet.
Rec’d!
And thats why his name is motherfucking mythbuster, damnit! :D
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on May 28, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C’mon, you can’t say rec’d and then not rec!
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on May 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, I’ll do it for him, but it’s just because I’m a nice guy.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on May 28, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Thats my bad, I’m at work and if the phone rings or I get a patient I tend to put off my interweb responsibilities :P
Real Rec this time! :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on May 29, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate accents.
Having a guy quit on his stool is winning. Or are we saying GSP v. BJ 2 was a draw?
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see me say that it was a draw? Let’s see: “3: He won because his opponent quit.” Looks to me like I said he won.
Also, GSP beat the snot out of BJ and he quit to avoid death. The TUF show, the brit quit because he was gassed (and a pussy for quitting), but not because Frank was beating him into a bloody puddle. Slight difference.
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slight, yes. I agree that the fights were going differently, but it was a legit win and I would never say "Not to take anything away from him, but he hasn’t “won” a fight yet." when he did in fact win the fight. Everything else you said, I have no problem with.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a “W” on his record, I’ll give him that. Whether earned or gifted to him is the question.
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude quit on his stool. Thats a legit win. He earned it with his heart. Lost the first round, hung in and won the second round. Other fighter didn’t want any parts of him in the third and quit. You could call it a sub by heart ingestion. or sub by mental domination. Its not like he didn’t show and Frank got a W by forfeit.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was not Okami v. Silva, they fought two rounds and one fighter quit. that means the other fighter wins.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3: He won because his opponent quit.
Honestly, I don’t think my sentence is all that complicated that you keep getting confused by it.
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also won because he won the fight. Tapping out is also quitting.
I don’t have a problem with…
3: He won because his opponent quit.
You are the one not getting that I have a problem with…
Not to take anything away from him, but he hasn’t "won" a fight yet.
because he did in fact with the fight. Its a win by any definition (and exhibition win, but a win). I am pretty offended that you would imply that he didn’t win. You are like the kid on that playground that I would beat the crap out of and the next day at school would claim something different.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
You seem hell bent on forcing to admit that he won the fight. Ok ok you win the “argument”, I will now bend over and do your bidding. I will admit that he won the fight. Ready?
Set?
Here goes.
3: He won because his opponent quit.
* whew * I never thought I could say it. Thank you for forcing that out of me. Anyone else you want me to admit won a fight that they won?
Your turn.
Admit it, nipplehead, Lyoto beat Evans! Come on, admit it!
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you have a bad day or something? It’s that time of the month, and what I mean by that is, it’s the last Thursday of the month and the USA Today/SB Nation rankings are out. Let put aside our differences and rejoice.
Also, Michael Bisping has no “Wins”. See what I did there? putting " around stupid shit makes me awesome. I learned it from you, tough guy.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geez louise
I did what you wanted and admitted that he won the fight. What else do you want from me?? By the way, why can’t you admit that Lyoto beat Rashad?
Anyway, relax champ… have some popcorn.
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(for the record, I was gonna post this pic but maybe too much for the mods)
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lyoto beat that ass. And I love popcorn choice number one. No nipple = no boob, so the mods should be fine with it.
by szucconi on May 28, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, myth, I think that picture would have been exactly what this post needed! =p
by mightyhokie on May 29, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I don’t have any wins in MMA, so I’m going to go ahead and give a guy credit for one no matter how he gets it.
Oh, and fuck Michael Bisping.
by subo on May 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
With the exception of the season finales, fights on The Ultimate Fighter are sanctioned by the Nevada Athletic Commission as exhibition matches and do not count for or against a fighter’s professional record. This is done to keep the results from going public before the air date.
Have fun with that.
by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between people that have never fought professionally shitting on undefeated records and people that have never fought professionally saying fighters haven’t really won fights (even though spending the whole thread above me tortuously admitting that he did in fact win), I’m getting a little frustrated here.
by subo on May 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“He won because his opponent (who was beating him) knocked himself out during a slam.”
His opponent knocked himself out during that slam because Lester was torquing his arm with a kimura, forcing him to land face first. Don’t act like Lester had nothing to do with that.
“He won because his opponent quit.”
He won because his opponent couldn’t handle his pace. Although a third round would have been nice, that fight was already a foregone conclusion. Faulkner was D-O-N-E midway through the second round and had resigned himself to ‘having fun’. Lester beat him with superior cardio and heart. There is no shame in that.
by Steve4192 on May 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His opponent knocked himself out during that slam because Lester was torquing his arm with a kimura, forcing him to land face first. Don’t act like Lester had nothing to do with that.

by mythbuster on May 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t we just agree that Lester just might be the luckiest fighter the UFC has signed in a while
by drano on May 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like...
Someone has a crush ;)
by poundnground on May 28, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to take anything away from him, but he hasn’t “won” a fight yet.
Looks to me like I said he won.
uhmm…hmmm…yeeaaahhh. for the record, it has nothing to do with hating accents, but everything to do with hating grown men who throw hissy fights and act completely irrational. the US had been training in the morning for 4 weeks and exercised their right to switch to the afternoons. nothing whiny about that at all.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on May 28, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
underboob trumps all. well played sir.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on May 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t even disagree.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on May 28, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say this was one of my favorite episodes because to me Frank made up for his first and second fights by taking this fight with Faulkner. It was Frank’s fight to lose and he didn’t – the Brits knew he wasn’t 100% – the fight was their’s to win.
I think Faulkner was saving face by saying he wanted to do horror movies or pro wrestling – think about it he was their best fighter and he gave up on the stool.
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fortune favours the brave.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bisping can go screw himself. Him and his merry band of men. I swear, I feel like I’m watching Robin Hood all over again except this time Robin Hood is a pathetic douchebag who acts like a little woman when something doesn’t go his way. Instead of being a true coach, he’s a whiny baby who thinks he’s still in the house and that everything can go his way. Let’s not forget that this is the douchebag that OVERSLEPT and missed coaching one of his fighters in a pivotal fight on the show. And then he complains about having to now wake up early? Well, you weren’t waking up late either buddy so maybe waking up early will help your British ass. I used to hate Decision Dan but after watching TUF, I have to say that at least he has class. He’s not a complete douchebag like Bisping is.
Oh, and by the way, anyone else find it funny how whenever one of his guys loses he storms off like a petulant child that just got told he couldn’t have a cookie before dinner? He then made the remark that he cannot stand the USA team chanting after they win a fight and that it makes him sick. Yet, this is the same guy that rubs it in the face of the USA every time one of his fighters wins. Hey, Mike, learn to lose the same way you win. If you can’t take it, get the fuck out. No one gives a fuck anymore about what you think.
Someone had to say it.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
by FlyByKnight on May 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
No, Fly doesn’t seem angry, he seems observant.
Fly is right on the money. When Bisping was on TUF I rooted for him to win. I thought he was pretty cool and I liked his attitude. Ironically, one of the reasons I liked him was because he seemed mature. I guess I should say, he SEEMED mature. As a coach he:
1 – Gloated every chance he got…EVERY chance he got. He was constantly running his hole and if anyone spoke back he acted like he was put upon.
MB: “You’re an areshole.”
Other guy: “And you are a dick.”
MB during interview: “He was bang out of line saying that.”
What’s the British word for hypocrite? Oh, yeah…hypocrite!
2 – Like Fly pointed out, Bisping actually MISSED one of his fighters fights. WTF, man! I used to teach college and can tell you that if I had set a test for students and not shown up when they took it I would have gotten fired. I kept expecting him to tell us ‘Me wife got in an accident’ or something. I was actually worried and told my wife that I hope everything is all right and that he wouldn’t miss a fight for anything short of an emergency. I was TOTALLY disappointed in him that he missed it because he was ‘a wuttle sweepy daddy!". Come on, he is a grown ass man. I don’t want to get up in the morning and go to work either but I do because that is what responsible adults do when they are serious about their craft!
3 – Bisping got all pissy about that ‘racist’ comment. Listen, I’m white AND southern. I am nooooo fan of so-called ‘reverse racism’ (although anyone with a brain knows racism is racism…nothing ‘reverse’ about it). I don’t cotton to the idea that if a black guy says ’i’ll beat your white ass’ as not being racist when people say a white guy saying ’i’m going to beat your black ass’ is racist (to me neither is racist because you are not insulting a race but a descriptive attribute of your opponent…like telling someone with long hair ’i’ll kick your hippie ass’ but I digress). So, if Johnson would have said something racist I would have been all over it. However, he was not insulting Bisping’s (and my) race. He was making fun of the fact that Bisping looked like he had never seen the sun (and coming from England that may be the case). Bisping was waaaaay too sensitive about it. If they had been playing at night and Johnson was playing and got upset at Bisping for saying ‘He has an unfair advantage because he’s harder to see’, I would have been on Bisping’s side. Bisping took a comment that he was so white that a flesh-colored band-aid was darker than him, and turned it into a ‘you whites are nonathletic’. Again, a thin skinned jackass.
4- Throwing water into Johnson’s face. You make it out like this was, in any way, Johnson’s fault and he had it coming. Well, from where I stand, Bisping took the Merry Men (what, he couldn’t come alone?) and confronted the US team. That in itself was aggressive, really. He could have just came over and told Henderson that his guys didn’t want to do it. Instead he made a much bigger deal out of it (see a trend yet?) and brought a bunch of guys. He was clearly putting on a show and being a loud-mouth, attention seeking git. He was ‘sort of playful while being a duche’. Johnson was spouting off too, which he should have just left to Henderson. Again, another case of Bisping being a loud mouth instigator. Anyway, he walks buy the guy 20 minutes later and squirts water in his face. Come on, man. Then Bisping says ‘It was only a little water. It rains every day in England’ Yeah, I bet if I walked by Michael Bisping and squirted a bottle of water in his face he would just laugh and say ‘its only water…it rains every day in England.’ Not to mention that he is SUPPOSED to be a coach and authority figure. Ridiculous. You said he appologized but you know, so what. He goes and does the interview later where he makes the ‘rains in England’ comment. He didn’t mean it.
5 – When his ‘best’ fighter showed his true colors and realized in the ring that he didn’t want to fight for real, Bisping literally couldn’t take it. Hey, I would be upset too. He was disappointed in his fighter and disappointed that team US caught up with them. No problem. But to get pissy because the US team is cheering their victory and storm off, kicking a door that he apparently forgot how to open (do they have doors in England, Mike?)…well, just immature and childish. This is the guy who had been gloating and goating all season. He can dish it out bigtime but can’t take even a hint of it coming back at him. Matter of fact, chants of USA – USA – USA were not chants of UK SUCKS – UK SUCKS…they were a bunch of guys on a team that were celebrating the fact that their fighter, whom they gave basically no chance to even be competitive much less win, overcame some serious odds and won the fight. BIsping again disappointed me and acted like a spoiled brat.
6 – and Finally – Bisping tells Faulkner ‘no need to apologize to me, no I just hate it for you’ then precedes to take a few guys out and bad mouth Faulkner. WTF dude?!? Say it to his face or don’t say it at all.
Like I said in my original post, I WAS a fan of Michael Bisping. I am stunned and saddened by his immaturity, lack of leadership, and duchetasticness. Really let down by him (as my two novelettes attest).
by mightyhokie on May 29, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Excellent response to an idiotic set of statements…..thank you!
by soadtrails on May 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I rec’d for ya
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on May 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
I really feel like there is some serious American nationalism going on in these comments.
I personally quite enjoyed Bisping’s hissy fit about the training and overall I find him quite entertaining (although the water thing was a cheap shot). He is basically just a normal British guy (like Ricky Hatton) who acts like a normal person and not a self-righteous douchebag. I like Henderson too because he’s obviously mentally really strong, gets on with it and isn’t a loud mouth.
Faulkner was pathetic. Enough said. I have no idea why the previous episodes were hyping him up. The guy has no heart and no cardio. Add to the list of guys who shouldn’t be fighters.
by rainmaker6 on May 28, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I do feel nationalism towards America. I’m an American. I love America. We are the most generous, selfless people on the planet. I don’t need to go country by country and apologize for America (like some others). We have nothing to apologize for. So, yeah, in spite of the current trend of wanting to ‘fundamentally change America’, or make us out to wear the black hats, I am proud of my nation and don’t want it changed. The real power and pride of America is our people, not our government. I can’t help but feel love and pride towards America and choose her over all other nations.
However, I do like England too. My gripes against Bisping were because of his actions, not because of my pro-American stance.
And, I agree, they hyped Faulkner as if he were the, well, next Michael Bisping. Instead he was a quitter who decided he wanted to ‘fake fight’ in pro-wrestling. Well, Faulkner, I have some bad news for you…pro-wrestling is probably a harder business than MMA…traveling 300 days a year, taking steroids, and taking a beating every night that you wouldn’t as a real fighter (when was the last time you saw Randy Couture fly over the top rope onto a concrete floor?). Perhaps something with computers…?
by mightyhokie on May 29, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Faulkner: They were hyping him up because, by all accounts, they guy is a monster in the gym. He has all the skills & physical gifts to be a successful fighter, but he doesn’t have the mindset for it. Every gym has at least one guy like that, a guy who just destroys people in training but can’t carry that success over to the cage. No need to hate on the guy for it. Not everyone is cut out to be a fighter. Faulkner just got his wake up call that he is better suited to be a coach or training partner than a fighter.
On Bisping: You LIKED his hissy fit about training times? I found it extremely annoying. Dan went up to him and politely mentioned that the producers told him he could switch training times and was going to take them up on the offer and Bisping gets all bitchy about it starts accussing Dan of getting things his way all the time and that then gets his team all fired up over the issue. I thought it was hilarious when he showed up at practice the next day with his tail between his legs and told Team UK that the producers told him to go fuck himself and that they would be training in the mornings whether they liked it or not.
I can’t wait to see Henderson stomp the crap out of him.
by Steve4192 on May 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Faulkner: Yeah, I hold nothing against him. Some people are fighters, some are not. He isn’t, and Frank certainly IS. Nothing personal from me from Faulkner. He seems like a great guy.
On Bisping: He went from being one of my favorite to being one of my least favorite because of this episode. A few other episodes showed things like this, but it came to a head for me this Wed. I’m not longer a fan. I do very much look forward to seeing Dan take him down again and again and again at will.
by mightyhokie on May 29, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disliking Bisping has nothing to do with his accent or where he was born
It has to do with him acting like a punk every chance he gets. Each of the things he does when analyzed seperately are really no big deal, but together they show that hes a total jackass.
I think its hilarious that he bailed on one of his fighters and then throws a tantrum when his best fighter does the same thing to him.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on May 29, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The comments here are awesome!
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on May 29, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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