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DREAM 9 Analysis: Joe Warren Upsets "Kid" Yamamoto

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DREAM 9 took place this morning with the BloodyElbow.com Night Crew in full force watching the event intently with solid round-by-round coverage by our own Chris Nelson. The event featured the "Super Hulk" tournament of freak show battles along with the DREAM Featherweight tournament second round matchups, a Middleweight title bout, and a Lightweight title eliminator matchup. Here's the lowdown on the event's results:

Minowaman beat Bob Sapp by first-round submission (Achilles lock)

Hong Man Choi beat Jose Canseco by first-round submission (strikes)

Sokoudjou beat Jan Nortje by first-round TKO (strikes)

Gegard Mousasi beat Mark Hunt by first-round submission (kimura)

Tatsuya Kawajiri beat Gesias "JZ Calvan" Cavalcante by decision

Hideo Tokoro beat Abel Cullum by second-round submission (RNC)

Hiroyuki Takaya beat Yoshiro Maeda by first-round TKO (strikes)

Bibiano Fernandes beat Masakazu Imanari by decision

Joe Warren beat Kid Yamamoto by split decision

Ronaldo Jacaré vs Jason Miller ends in no contest

We won't delve too much into the Super Hulk tournament matchups. Minowa took full advantage of Bob Sapp's huge size and slowness with an achilles lock submission in the first round. It looked as if Sapp might crush Minowa early as he was able to get on top of him, but Minowa was able to slyly sink the lock a few moments later.

Choi defeated Jose Canseco due to what appeared to be Canseco hurting himself trying to kick Choi. Many will speculate whether he simply tried to earn a paycheck and dive, but Canseco probably doesn't have much experience kicking actual human beings. His limbs may very well not be used to the impact, and he managed to hurt himself doing so.

Sokoudjou was hugged for quite a bit by Nortje for the opening minutes of the round, but he was able to feed Nortje some leg kicks and get him to the floor for a pounding stoppage. Mousasi dominated Hunt by taking him down immediately and working him into a kimura position to finish the fight. To be perfectly honest, the second round matchups will be a little bit more intriguing.

Kawajiri absolutely dominated Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante from start to finish in their matchup. Gesias tried a couple of guillotine attempts that turned into typical "Crusher" style with Kawajiri using his top control skills to keep JZ at bay. The second round was much of the same with Kawajiri also winning a few exchanges. Very impressive performance from Kawajiri. He should definitely be kept in the top 10 on ALL ranking sites as he tends to take on tougher competition than most lightweights.

Maeda vs Takaya was a nice back and forth battle that saw Takaya losing more than half the exchanges, but Takaya came back later in the round with a power blow that put Maeda down for the count. Bibiano worked a fantastic gameplan of keeping away from Imanari's guard and punishing him with punches to take a fairly easy decision win. Tokoro's win over Cullum had one instant in which he used a beautiful triangle transition to nearly catch Cullum. A definite must-see.

The most impressive fight of the evening was the Featherweight matchup between Joe Warren and Norifumi "Kid" Yamamoto. Coming into this bout as nearly a 5 to 1 underdog, I hope you all pushed a little dough onto Warren. Warren dominated Yamamoto in the wrestling department and surprisingly was the stronger clincher in this matchup. Yamamoto did quite a bit of damage with kicks and punches, but Warren's overwhelming wrestling was the big difference in this matchup. Warren just put the worldwide Featherweight division on notice.

Jacare-Miller was a pure disappointment due to Miller's accidental soccer kick to Jacare's dome, but I'm sure we'll see that rematch down the road. 

Overall Impressions

DREAM 9 delivered some great fights for the hardcore fanbase. Kawajiri's battle with JZ, while boring to some fans, was an absolute gem in terms of a solid gameplan to defeat a highly-touted fighter. Kawajiri is showing no signs of faltering in his dominating ways. If he can manage to avoid getting into slugfests, he could very well enter the top 3 once again down the road.

Warren's dominating wrestling performance showed Yamamoto's weakness off his back. He doesn't have the submission skills to overpower a strong fighter like Warren, and Warren was able to maintain top control fairly easily. Warren has some things to work on in the standup game, but with only 2 fights under his belt, look out for Joe Warren.

Bibiano Fernandes needs to be in the spotlight. Many fans don't really know about him, but he's a BJJ Black Belt that has some excellent standup skills to supplement his ground game. He's very well-rounded and only getting more recognition for his skillset along with much more dangerous as a threat to the upper echelon of fighters in the division.

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I abandoned the Live Commentary because I actually had friends come over at 4AM for the fights

But I know I can’t be the only one that thought Kid won that fight. Am I?

I poop rainbows.

by Blackout612 on May 26, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone expected Kid to dominate, and Warren refused to go down, so it seemed much more impressive. Also, even with both were tired, Warren continued to push on. It could have gone either way, but I do think Warren slightly edged him out.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on May 26, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I’m too in love with the idea of Kid’s power, but I thought he won by inflicting more damage.

by Jahbulon on May 26, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could see it going to either. It was ridiculously close.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 26, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be perfectly honest...

I can see how Kid could have won. Most Japanese promotions have long had the idea that damage done over the course of the bout is a far more quantitative way to score a fight, and Kid did a lot of damage via his kicks and punches.

The most impressive part about the matchup was Warren’s dominance in the wrestling department. Kid definitely showed his quick kicks and power punching, but Warren seemed to power through that.

Definitely a close one. Your judgement isn’t unwarranted by any means.

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by Leland Roling on May 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accidental soccer kick?

by George Lucas on May 26, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s what it seemed to be deemed. I don’t understand that either.

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by Leland Roling on May 26, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Rogan on the UG:

Joe Warren is a f*cking animal!!

Has his second fight ever against one of the baddest dudes on the planet and pulls off the victory.
The man has an iron will and a chin of granite. I was seriously impressed.

by Nick Thomas on May 26, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I saw it, I thought that Canseco hurt himself running away from Choi, then tried the ill-advised kick which probably didn’t help matters.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 26, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He did seem to be favoring that knee before he threw the kick and he wasted no time tapping when Choi got on top of him, which was probably his smartest move for the whole event. Still he did better than I thought he would do (he didn’t leave on a stretcher).

by who me on May 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Warren is a stud. Mad props to him. That Faber/Yamamoto fight looks crappier by the day. Give me Brown/Warren

by subo on May 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Warren should be at 135

and he wants to fight in the States when this is over. I’d like to see Warren vs Torres or Aldo.

Too bad he trains with Team Alpha Male, he and Joe Benavidez could have a wrestlebox classic.

by Chris Nelson on May 26, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His power could give Aldo big problems, but Torres’ jiu-jitsu could be problematic. Torres’ high guard causes big problems for these guys, and he’ll have a heavy standup disadvantage. I am wondering if Warren’s posture can be maintained and he can crush Torres on the ground while avoiding the high guard though. It’d definitely be worth a bet.

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by Leland Roling on May 26, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warren impressed but he still needs some work and Kid was coming off a long layoff. I can see these two going at it again in the future.

by who me on May 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imanari, what are we going to do with you...

Maybe go back to DEEP and defend your title.

by Chris Nelson on May 26, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No commentary on Soko losing his shit in the ring?

I figured people would be going crazy about that…

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on May 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty surprising.

by who me on May 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not a former pro wrestler.

by subo on May 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kid definitely didn't have the explosiveness

that he had pre-layoff.

He’s been away for well over a year and he’ll probably need some time to get his rhythm back (if ever). Warren definitely has a lot of potential and should be in the WEC challenging Faber/Brown before long. He’d get subbed by Faber though.

In Japan the scoring is usually by damage dealt and Kid definitely dealt more damage over the course of the bout. From a US style scoring perspective Warren took home the win. Either way Warren vs Fernandes is a fight i’m looking forward to.

by rainmaker6 on May 26, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And if that fight was in the WEC, I agree. It would have been easily a Warren win instead of a split decision in my mind.

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by Leland Roling on May 27, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think damage is important in Japan too, but I also vaguely remember that one of the primary judging criteria in Pride and Dream was “effort to finish the fight.”

I just remember it since it was a really strange and difficult thing to determine which always bothered me because of how difficult it’d be to get consistent results from it.

by ikari47 on May 27, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was one of the judging criteria, but as we saw with Sengoku, I’m not sure they are truly giving “almost finishes” the scores they deserve. Kanehara vs. Jung was a perfect example.

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by Leland Roling on May 27, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the first Pride rule (and I believe Dream too) and deemed to carry the most weight is Ippon; the effort to finish the fight. That was the major reason Warren got the win here I believe. Off his back, Kid negated Warren very well, but thats all he did. He just tried to tie him up to get the fight back to his feet where we was winning the exchanges. Warren those, was going at 100% for blood the entire fight. Never fighting defensively and always looking to do damage.

So whilst Kid landed more shots standing and took the honours standing and avoided most of the damage off his back, he simply was not aggressive enough (ala Serra against Hughes) to score points based on Ippon.

My rundown of the judging, assuming dream is exactly as pride is as follows:

Ippon
Both were looking to end the fight on the feet. Kid landing lots of counter punches to the head and leg and body kick to weaken Warren. Warren was using good knees from the clinch and throwing some heavy strikes from the inside. On the ground Warren was aggressively doing his best to throw the heavy shots. Kid on the other hand, was very defensive and finishing the fight was not his goal when he was on the ground. He was simply trying to restrict Warrens movement. Winner: Warren

Damage
Kid landed more cleaner shots. If not for Warrens granite chin, this fight may not have gone to decision. Physically, neither fighter was all that damaged. Kids head was cut, Warren was bruised up but neither fighter seemed rocked or in any real trouble at any time. Based on the volume of strikes landed and the assumption that strikes to damage; Winner: Kid

Combination and Ground Control
Neither fighter really showed much here. Warren was happy staying i Kids guard and Kid was happy to hold him there. No Winner

Takedown and Takedown Defense
Another hard one to score. Warren did secure a few good takedowns but Kid successfully defended a lot more than were successful. No Winner

Aggression
Both were aggressive on the feet but Kids ground game was very defensive. Very limited submission attempts and very limited escape attempts. This is evidenced by the yellow card he received in the 1st round. Winner: Warren

So even though Kid may have won the striking battle standing and inflicted more damage, its hard for me to make a case for Kid based on the judging criteria.

by GeeDub on May 27, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Warren's

nickname for himself when he wrestled was “the baddest man on the planet”.
He unfortunately was banned from wrestling for a good while for testing positive for cannabis an additional time (he would have been an olympian, probably olympic medalist). But he was an exceptional wrestler, a world champion in greco roman, which is unbelievably hard to do in the USA. Great athlete. Absolute psycho though. Like he is totally delusional and dysfunctional, getting into fights at practice, screaming and yelling for no good reason. Totally unsurprised he’s a great fighter.

by MattFruchtman on May 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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