Finding the UFC's Next Lightweight Title Challenger
Frankie Edgar's upset victory over Sean Sherk at this past weekend's UFC 98 event leaves the lightweight picture a bit muddled. Sherk's name has long been mentioned at the top of the list of potential challengers for the belt. Though the loss to Edgar isn't a death blow to his aspiration of reclaiming the title, it very likely pushes him behind several other fighters.
The next five UFC lightweight fighters behind #1 B.J. Penn and #3 Kenny Florian (the two will fight for the title at UFC 101) in the most recent edition of the USA Today/ SB Nation MMA Consensus Rankings are listed as follows (with most recent outings noted):
- Sean Sherk (4) - lost unanimous decision against Frankie Edgar at UFC 98.
- Diego Sanchez (10) - won unanimous decision against Joe Stevenson at UFC 95.
- Gray Maynard (12) - won unanimous decision against Jim Miller at UFC 96.
- Tyson Griffin (15) - won unanimous decision against Rafael Dos Anjos at UFN 18.
- Frankie Edgar (18) - won unanimous decision against Sean Sherk at UFC 98.
I'll caution that what lies ahead in this post could be construed as "MMA math," but I don't see any way around it. Furthermore, I don't think it will ultimately be the death of us to engage in such tomfoolery, and it's kind of fun. First of all, Sherk can't be the next guy in line for a title shot. The former champion will likely need to get a couple of solid wins under his belt before he can enjoy consideration once again. It would simply be illogical to put him above Edgar after their most recent fight.
Sanchez has enjoyed a decent amount of success at welterweight, but he only has one fight at lightweight. Luckily, he'll be facing #21 Clay Guida - gatekeeper extraordinaire - at The Ultimate Fighter 9 Finale on June 20. That should give us more information about the lightweight version of Diego Sanchez.
If you go back a couple of years, Edgar scored a close, and somewhat controversial victory, over Griffin. I don't think this should figure much into the calculus as it was (a) a long-time ago and (b) basically a fight which could have legitimately been decided either way. Griffin's more recent boxing-inspired loss to Sherk hurts him more here.
Edgar's name has come up a lot. Although many view him as too small for the lightweight division, he's been able to notch some impressive victories (Sherk, Hermes Franca, Spencer Fisher, Griffin). He may be the closest thing to a key in this whole mess. With that said, I don't see him as being at the top of the list.
That honor goes to Gray Maynard who decisively won a unanimous decision victory over the aforementioned Edgar. Maynard has earned five wins with no losses and one no contest while competing in the UFC. He's soundly beaten Edgar, Rich Clementi, and Jim Miller in his most recent outing. Maynard looked particularly good against Miller as he was able to utilize a very formidable striking game to complement his already dominant wrestling skills.
I think that Maynard only needs one more win at the most to warrant a title shot. Sanchez will be right in there alongside Maynard with a convincing win over Clay Guida, and Sherk probably needs a couple of victories against some of the other talented UFC lightweights. I'd love to see a rematch between Griffin and Edgar. Their first match was frenetically paced and displayed just how good both are. A rematch would likely be close and would further solidify a pecking order. Of course, the title bout between Penn and Florian on August 8 will ultimately set all the lightweight division's many parts in motion. I'm eager to see who wins out at UFC 101, and who will emerge as the next challenger.
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IMO, Diego Sanchez gets the next shot if he wins against Guida. Sanchez was a top contender at WW. If he looks good in beating Guida, it makes sense for him to get the next shot.
I’d put Maynard next in line after Diego, and give him a fight in the meantime against a top contender.
Give Edgar another top contender as well, and the UFC will have some legit guys building for future title shots.
by Hardcharger on May 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been touting Gray Maynard since forever.
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by Kelvin Hunt on May 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its fascinating to me
the way Gray Maynard gets overlooked.
We’re working on the rankings right now and I swear if they can’t see Maynard immediately in front of their own eyes they forget him.
Nevermind that he crushed Edgar and the fast rising Jim Miller.
Maynard gets no respect.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 26, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think its because he lost TUF? I think guys get short changed as far as ranking when they get involved with TUF.
by szucconi on May 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt they’ve offered them to him, but whenever a title shot is raised in interviews i’ve heard with him, he says he’s not quite there yet… which i really respect. a nice breaking from dudes who win one fight and say “wheres my shot at the belt?”. nothing wrong with being a realist. we’ve seen what happens when a guy gets a shot too early.
i’d like to see him fight sherk, and then get a shot, but the potential for sherk to win, and further muddy the waters, would probably too strong for them to do it.
and as far everyone else in the division, i wouldn’t mind seeing edgar fight dos anjos.
by woooburn on May 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
just realized i misread your use of “overlooked” to mean the ufc, and not the folks involved in the rankings. nevermind!
by woooburn on May 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah the UFC has him in mind
clearly since both Edgar and Jim Miller were pretty hot when he got to fight them.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 26, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could always use the Okami argument.
That Maynard gets boring decisions most of the time. Can’t argue that his laying and praying isn’t effective though.
by dv8shun on May 26, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he put a beatdown on Edgar
that fight went to decision but the outcome was in no doubt.
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by Kid Nate on May 26, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar to what happened with Jim Miller, except that one stayed standing. Same thing, though: Maynard dictated the location and distance of the fight and walked out of the octagon looking like he’d just gone for a jog.
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by AJB on May 26, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, someone speaking my language
The main conclusion I drew from Edgar/Sherk was ‘wow, Maynard tooled the guy that’s tooling Sherk right now.’ Gray versus the winner of Sanchez/Guida for a title shot sounds about right.
by subo on May 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
Since you were pointing out how overlooked Maynard is, I thought I would add gas to the fire. Sherk was offered a fight against him and he turned him down for Tyson Griffin instead. Sherk has stated he wanted someone higher up the ladder than Griffin. My people in the know have said he did not think he matched up favorably with Maynard and while Sherk thought he could win, that the fight with Tyson would be much better recieved and much more exciting. I think he was correct, but something never sits right with me when fighters turn down fights. If Maynard beats one more top 10 guy, He should be next. And I am not even a fan.
by Nick Travaglini on May 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maynard should face winner of Sanchez/Guida.
Also Edgar and Tyson should rematch.
Penn/Florian is not until Aug and Penn generally likes a few months between bouts.
Have Maynard face the winner in Sept and schedule a title bout for Dec or Jan.
by Lynchman on May 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Griffin and Edgar rematching makes no sense for Edgar. He beat the guy who just beat Tyson Griffin, and he beat Griffin before.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it seems like he’s climbed a couple of rungs up the ladder past Griffin. Tyson would need at least one big win to even make the match make sense as a “stepping stone” fight for Edgar.
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by AJB on May 26, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Diego say that if he beats Guida that he is next in line for a title shot?
fightlockdown.com
by The Legend on May 26, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think all of those guys need at least one more fight before a title shot is given to them. There is no clear #1contender after Florian.
-I agree that Maynard is overlooked but . People call the LW div. the deepest in the UFC and Maynard needs to test himself in the deeper end before he gets a shot at the title.
-Sanchez needs to establish himself in the LW div before he should get a shot at Penn/Florian. He has 1 win against a middler and 1 against a gatekeeper (if he wins), the UFC shouldn’t let him jump from Guida to Penn/Florian, doesn’t make sense.
-Edgar’s loss to Maynard lowers his stock a bit, but his resume is better than both Sanchez and Maynard in the Lightweight div.
Maybe feed Huerta to one of the 3 top contenders, possibly Maynard, to push Maynard and get El Matador out of the UFC. Also, match up Edgar and Sanchez for a contender eliminator. Have the winner of those matches meet to determine next in line.
A Diaz/Griffin fight to determine which guy belongs in the title conversation?
by Davey S. on May 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only problem with this
is that Maynard crushed Edgar.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 26, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say crushed, he definitely won, but crushed to me is what Sonnen did to Miller (made me sad). I also liked the fact that in the post fight interview Maynard brought up the size difference that nobody else in the broadcast seemed to want to acknowledge.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe the next title shot is diego’s to lose. especially after sherk lost. i agree with all who say that maynard is being underrated, but diego is a tuf winner and is more maketable right now. not saying that it’s right or wrong, just saying that’s the way i see it happening. personally i would still love to see a maynard/nate rematch (i’m assuming nate beats stevenson). maynard has improved vastly since his loss to nate on tuf, but so has nate.
by bdw on May 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO the only logical move would be to put the winner of Sanchez / Guida against Maynard for the #1 contender’s spot.
by mburtoni on May 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain what is meant by Maynard “crushed” Edgar? IMO, Maynard outpointed Edgar in every area – edged him in striking, edged him in standup grappling, edged him in ground position and ground striking. But he never at any point had Edgar in any trouble – not hurt, not taking a lot of shots, never close to a sub or catch position. It was overall a close fight – but I’d agree that there wasn’t a single area where Edgar had the advantage – but crushed? or even bean soundly? no. beaten by a small but clear margin.
That being said, Gray should obviously be ahead of Edgar in the race. I agree Gray should fight diego/guida winner – not one of the three has enough victories over quality lightweight opposition to warrant a shot, but one more victory might be enough.
by jeffro231 on May 26, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edgar never threatened. Maynard was never in trouble. That’s a crushing to me.
by subo on May 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then in you opinion is any win a crush? I mean, arguably, Maynard never had Edgar in any trouble and never really threatened him – so did Edgar “crush” Maynard? Just because Maynard hit Edgar 5 times for every 4 that Edgar connected, that doesn’t mean Maynard “threatened” . . .
by jeffro231 on May 26, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word choice is a little tricky. With Maynard’s last three wins – Miller, Clementi, Edgar – the loser didn’t appear abused at the end, and I don’t remember any of the fights very close to stoppage. That said, Maynard was pretty much in complete control for the duration in all instances. That’s probably why he’s overlooked a bit. He’s dominating, but hasn’t proven to be a finisher. That’s why I’ve been a little critical of him in the past though I was high on him coming out of TUF. As you can see, none of these guys (the five mentioned) are finishing opponents with regularity, not like Penn or even Florian.
by Cannon Jacques on May 26, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a perfect point. Friend and I had a discussion over Edgar’s lack of finishing ability as well. Edgar and Maynard each only have 1 finish for 5 victories in the UFC (inc. Ult Fight Nights). Penn and Florian both have 8 finishes in 9 victories in UFC (& UFNs).
But we also looked at how many times the guys that fought Edgar have been finished. Not counting losses in higher weight classes (like Sherk to GSP), the 5 people Edgar has beaten in UFC competition are a combined 33-10 (or -15 if you include their losses to Edgar) – of those losses, only 3 were finishes, 7 were decisions. So the fact that Edgar didn’t finish them, well, hardly anyone else has either. Arguably, Edgar has faced stiffer competition than Maynard.
But – back to the “finishing” discussion, and in support of Maynard – it’s pretty hard to finish in the lightweight division, so maybe he shouldn’t be judged on that. But, if you do really consider finishing an opponent that important, then Penn and Florian (equal number of finishes in same number of bouts) are head and shoulders above everyone else
by jeffro231 on May 26, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when I said crushed
I meant overwhelmed, overpowered, slammed, put down, held down and battered.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 26, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maynard’s nickname describes what he’s done, bullies his opponent.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 26, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ is a nightmare style matchup for Maynard. BJ’s takedown defense will allow him to keep the fight on the feet as long as he wants and even if it does go the ground, his BJJ game is too strong for Maynard to handle.
by MMAEruption on May 26, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is BJ’s standup really that great? I was very impressed by his domination of Sherk but after seeing Edgar and Griffin both look pretty darn good standing against Sherk I wonder how much of BJ’s win can be attributed to Sherk’s reliance on his below average boxing.
What I’m saying is that if KenFlo is anything above +200 I’m taking that bet hard.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on May 26, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ is known as having some of the best boxing around from a technical stand point, and contrary to what his pudgy physique might suggest, he hits like a ton of bricks.
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by AJB on May 26, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also hit machida more than anyone else
and was fighting at lightheavyweight
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by rockied on May 26, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penn weighed in @ 187 for the Machida fight.
by Grappo on May 26, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly…light heavyweight.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on May 26, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah shit, brain fart. or the sweet sweet cannabis.
by Grappo on May 27, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is.
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by Mike Fagan on May 26, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ has strong TDD until he gets tired, you just have to persist and know that the first few times probably won’t go so well. Maynard has quite strong credentials and a solid tank from the looks of it. He’s a tough guy and a tough out – so physically strong and well conditioned. He could be disadvantaged but I don’t see him as the type who is dominated vs. anyone at LW. Especially if he picks up more and more skills.
by bigweeze on May 27, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ's boxing is light years ahead of Maynard, Edgar and Griffin
None of those guys really know how to box. If BJ traines properly and keeps his cardio up he eats these wrestler/boxers alive.
I really don’t like BJ Penn that much but he is the best lightweight in the world right now.
by rainmaker6 on May 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On another note
Maybe someone can do a comparison of the Dream Lightweight Division against the UFC.
After thinking about whilst watching Dream 9, I realized that the Dream LW division is pretty solid. It’s really the diffrentiation between the cage and the ring that makes the difference in fights between the two orgs.
The UFC is dominated by wrestler/boxers i.e. Sherk, Maynard, Edgar, Griffin, Guida, Stevenson, Sanchez. Outside of the top two, you have to go down to Diaz before you find I style that falls outside of this ‘mode’.
Dream is dominated by more dynamic strikers with pretty decent jits such as Alvarez (ok I know….he’s not really Dream right now), Kawajiri, Shaolin, JZ, Hansen, Dida. Of course there’s also Aoki. The only person who fits the UFC ‘wrestler style’ is Ishida.
I think this has a lot to do with the cage/ring. Wrestlers fare better with takedowns in the cage whilst the ring favours striking.
by rainmaker6 on May 26, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is dominated by wrestler/boxers i.e. Sherk, Maynard, Edgar, Griffin, Guida, Stevenson, Sanchez. Outside of the top two, you have to go down to Diaz before you find I style that falls outside of this ‘mode’.
Umm, BJ? Florian?
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by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’d be the top two.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on May 27, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but can you say that it’s dominated by one style when the two that rule the roost aren’t of that style?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say no, but my reply was only made because I thought you misunderstood what he wrote.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on May 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next lightweight fights should be
Gray Maynard vs Winner of Sanchez/Guida – Winner gets first title shot
Frankie Edgar vs Winner of Nate Diaz/Joe Stevenson – If Edgar or Nate Diaz win then they should get a shot after the above fighters.
by rainmaker6 on May 26, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then who fights the winner of Penn Florian? Or will it be 8 months before another title match?
by bigweeze on May 27, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clay Guida – gatekeeper extraordinaire
Guida is alot of things a gatekeeper isn’t one of them simply put after he beats Diego he should be next in line for a title shot. The guy has fought and beat some of the best LW’s the UFC has to offer and now that he’s perfected his style I don’t see too many fighters beating him unless they get a bs judges decision like Griffin did in their fight.
by Raker on May 27, 2009 4:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guida sucks
clay guida fights are so boring, this sanchez fight will just turn into a grapple-off. Nate Diaz should go up in the rankings when he whoops stevenson. i want a tyson griffin Nate Diaz fight. Nate would whoop him too. Either Diaz brother would knock out kenny Florian.
by norcalthrowzdwn on May 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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