Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Sean Sherk and the Lost Art of the Double Leg Takedown
Normally the Judo Chop talks about a flashy move that his been used to great effect, in most cases to finish the fight in spectacular fashion.
No, this installment of the Judo Chop is going to sing the praises of a simple technique: the double leg take down.
The double leg take down is a storied technique in MMA. A staple of free-style wrestling it was the lynch pin of the success of UFC and PRIDE tournament champion Mark Coleman. Tito Ortiz' still unmatched run as UFC LHW champion (5 title defenses) was predicated on the double leg.
Its a hugely high percentage move against opponents who don't know how to sprawl effectively. But every technique has its limitations and the flood of wrestlers following Coleman, Ortiz, et al into MMA brought with them the techniques to foil the double leg.
Nowadays, even MMA fighters whose base style is freestyle wrestling rarely bust out the old double leg, preferring instead the lower-risk arsenal of greco-roman and judo based takedowns that work from the clinch instead of trying to shoot from the outside.
Its especially frustrating to see a top fighter like Sean Sherk ignore the double leg. Sherk has a true gift for the move. He's got the timing, the explosiveness and most of all the power to put almost anyone on their back with it.
The photo shows him driving Frankie Edgar butt first into the mat at their UFC 98 fight. In the full entry Luke analyzes Sherk's beautiful technique and I bemoan the fact that he didn't bust it out until it was too late.
Here's Luke Thomas' analysis of Sherk's takedown of Edgar:
First, the timing on that is excellent.
Second, Sherk steps back first to make Edgar come forward twice. But after taking the first step back he widens his stance. After the second push forward from Edgar, Sherk's stance is further widened, but its the first widening that helped him to quickly shoot by not having to separate all in one go. He was waiting for it all along.
Also you'll notice the first time Edgar feints he takes two small steps and only raises his lead hand the second time -- it's on raising of the hand with one big wide step that Sherk shoots. Edgar thought he was gauging Sherk's reaction. Sherk did put his hands up buying the fake a little, but the second attempt Edgar opens further outside of his body with his lead hand, which is usually a tell they want to open for a punch. Its slight, but it matters.
And lastly Sherk gets under the punch from his crouched stance and was able to hit the takedown when most of Edgar's weight was shifted onto his front toes so he couldn't get his hips out or sprawl. Sherk does a good job of always following through to get the rear support leg, which is the leg that matters in double legs.
Sherk's always good at that and he keeps his head tucked tight to Edgar's body to avoid the guillotine, nice and inside and pummels immediately once it hits the floor.
Its a thing of beauty. Sadly, Sherk has apparently focused almost exclusively on his striking instead of perfecting his top-control game. Edgar was able to stand up almost immediately. Nevertheless, Sherk's double leg could have scored enough points to guarantee him a decision had he put them into the mix.
Its a frustrating thing to see a man ignore the gifts he's been given. Please Muscle Shark, come back! Lay and pray all you want, we'll never call you boring again.
This goes double for you Josh Koscheck.
King Mo, whereever you are, don't abandon the double leg. Build around it wrestlers, don't walk away from your bread and butter.
Notably one of the greatest fighters of our era, Georges St. Pierre has made the double leg a center piece of his style as a champion. Ironic since he comes from a karate base and never competed as an amateur wrestler.
In the hands of GSP, the double leg is the perfect weapon to enhance his dangerous striking and superb BJJ game. It allows GSP to determine where the fight takes place and always keep his opponents guessing.
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This is exactly why I don’t think Sherk is done – you simply don’t forget how to shoot for a double leg once you’ve done it 10,000 times or so. Against anyone that’s not an elite wrestler (read Aoki, Shinya) or has hands the quality of Griffin or Edgar (read Aoki, Shinya), his half-assed attempts against Edgar would’ve been successful.
It’s funny – we bitch endlessly about a guy LnPing is way to victory, but when he moves away from it and starts losing, we act like he’s lost something. Play to your strengths, gang.
by subo on May 26, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would Sean Sherk beat Shinya Aoki
Basically – the double leg against Shinya is bound to work. It’s what happens next that is key. In Japan (with magic pants) I’d say Shinya has a 50% chance of subbing Sherk within the match. Without magic pants that probability goes down some.
by rainmaker6 on May 27, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see that match
Don’t forget its not just magic pants its also a ring. Its much harder to explode across a smaller ring and not get tangled in the ropes with a double leg like this one.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 27, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherk without the double leg would still beat Aoki. I’m sorry, but Aoki standing occasionally makes Imanari look like Cro Cop.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aoki with pants
has about 50% chance of subbing Sherk. Without pants that probability probably goes down a bit.
But I don’t think that it’s a sure win for Sherk.
by rainmaker6 on May 27, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elbows on the ground = even lower percentage
by subo on May 27, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would Aoki get him down?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherk wouldn’t have to worry about the double leg vs Aoki ‘cause Aoki will just jump guard anyways. Who wins or taps , I dunno, but this is a fight that Sherk would want to keep standing, because he does have superior striking to Aoki, and wouldn’t be able to.
by bubbafat on May 27, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see Aoki’s takedown style being particularly effective against Sherk.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aoki could just try to get back mount while standing. He has done it before.
by Dropkick434 on May 27, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aoki subs sherk :)
From my experiences with wrestling double legs are incredibly inaffective. there is to sprawl on or even crossface hip toss. Bear hugs later drops and head-arms are much more reliable thats prolly why they are more commenly used in MMA. Im just saying for werstling, but also in sparring i find myself working extra hard to finish one. maybe its just my bad timing but i dont feel they are that useful. i pretty much tossed everyone,during the season, with a crossface hip toss counter. its pretty eaasy when they have alot of momentum behind them. but as far as sherk specfically i think he has the explosive power to just drive straight through people and he should stick to double legs
Buddey System
by Amigop on May 27, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tuesday morning had to be rough for you. One day at a time, brother.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on May 27, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nouri lost. i stayed up til 7am and he lost. not a very good day.
Buddey System
by Amigop on May 27, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But anyways the moral of the story is Greco throws>Double Leg takedowns
Buddey System
by Amigop on May 27, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the average athlete yes
the greco takedowns are much more high percentage. But for someone blessed with unusual power and reflexes like Sherk, there’s no better tool for imposing the will than the double leg takedown.
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by Kid Nate on May 27, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Sherk still have the unusual power and reflexes though? Since he came back from his suspension it hasn’t looked like it.
by FRANKIE on May 27, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the gif above!
plus his fight with Griffin.
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by Kid Nate on May 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the gif above is the only time he did that in the whole fight. The thing that made Sherk great was his ability to do that over and over throughout the fight, and I think without his “supplements” he can’t do it anymore. I like Edgar a lot, but the Sherk of a couple of years ago would have done to him what he did to Fisher, or at least would have tried.
by FRANKIE on May 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
calling double-legs "incredibly inaffective"
is utterly laughable.
there is a simple reason that it’s the #1 takedown in high level wrestling—it works.
to shoot blindly in is dumb. that’s when the counters come into play. but when you set them up, there is nothing better or more efficient.
by dr. ransom on May 27, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more laughable than calling it ineffective, I’ll say that much.
by subo on May 27, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a real pretty double leg, but he couldn’t do a damn thing after he got it and he couldn’t get it again. I just don’t think Sherk has the explosiveness and pace that he used to have.
by FRANKIE on May 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Nowadays, even MMA fighters whose base style is freestyle wrestling rarely bust out the old double leg”
I’d be willing to bet that the double leg is still the most widely used takedown at any level of MMA.
by koroshiya on May 27, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see some statistics on that
seems to me that body locks, trips and singles have outpaced the ol’ double. It might well be that its the most popular single takedown but it accounts for much less than a majority of takedowns IMO.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on May 27, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know whether or not Sherk is in trouble for leaving before his pee test last Saturday?
by bubbafat on May 27, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that there are far more singles attempted than doubles.
by Dropkick434 on May 27, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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