Yves Lavigne Does It Again
While no video seems readily available, it's being reported at Sherdog that Yves Lavigne repeated his dubious stop-and-start refereeing performance last night at UFC 98 in the Kyle Bradley vs Phillipe Nover bout.
Kyle Bradley grasped his first Octagon victory in three outings with a controversial first-round TKO against debutante Phillipe Nover in their lightweight bout. Bradley shrugged off Nover’s first takedown attempt, then connected on "The Ultimate Fighter 8" runner-up with a stinging right hand. Reaching for a single leg, Nover slipped forward onto his face. Referee Yves Lavigne stepped in and halted the bout, but backed away when a cognizant Nover rolled onto his back.
With the fight still in play, Bradley landed some glancing blows on the 25-year-old Nover. Lavigne intervened a second time and waved off the bout just as Nover rose to his feet, much to the Brooklyn, N.Y., native’s and the rabid crowd’s disapproval. The official time was 1:03, while replays inside the arena did little to bolster referee Lavigne’s actions.
This is bad. I was a major detractor of Lavigne after his actions at UFC 96 in the Matt Brown vs Pete Sell fight, which took place only two short months ago; suggesting that if he makes a similar error in the future, he should be punished by the athletic commission. I'm interested to see if any video surfaces of this newest instance. If things went down as suggested, something needs to be done. We have to hold our referees accountable to mistakes of this gravity for our sport to grow and be given the credibility it deserves.
GIF by Chris Nelson
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The UFC did post the video for purchase on their on-demand site this morning
but who wants to be the enterprising soul that buys it and uploads it for all to see? ;)
by Scott Haber on May 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially since it sounds like such a great fight. Ha..
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to Dana’s thoughts on this during the press conference, and after watching the GIF, I’m going to have to agree with him. It’s hard to fault Lavigne when Nover looks to go limp on the mat.
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by Mike Fagan on May 24, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Watch the above gif. That’s the stoppage. Bradley wiffs on a strike towards the fallen Nover, who pushes off with his legs and rises to his feet. That’s when Lavigne called the fight.
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nover is face down on the mat with an arm that looks fairly limp. And Lavigne starts his jump in the moment that Nover looks completely limp. It wasn’t a stupendous call, but it’s hardly one I can fault him too seriously on.
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by Rundownloser on May 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched the gif? I’m very confused how that’s defensible. It’s absolutely ridiculous. He restarted it after Nover supposedly went limp and then stopped it without cause.
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy goes limp = Stop the fight
That said, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that you are referring to when the two are actually broken up. It looked like to me that Lavigne jumped in (at the right time) to stop the fight and Bradley kept on going. Lavigne pushes Bradley like a ref will often do to try and separate the fighters, and when they finally separated Lavigne enforced his earlier call.
It’s more than a little wonky, but the original call makes sense to me, and it looked to me like Lavigne needed to be more forceful in his call.
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by Rundownloser on May 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re a little confused by what you’re seeing. He stops Bradley, then restarts him. He is clearly seen pushing him towards Nover when he realizes that Nover wasn’t really hurt. If he would have stopped it for good when Nover initially goes sort of limp, then we’re just talking about a questionable stop; but nothing too serious. But instead of that he stops Bradley, notices Nover is okay, pushes Bradley towards him to continue, Bradley throws another punch and Nover is now clearly okay, so he stops it again… Dude…. What? He is the only referee with this problem, and it’s now reoccured.
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is the only referee with this problem
Herb Dean loves fake-stopping fights as well, but in his case it’s less a matter of jumping the gun and more of a problem asserting himself.
by Chris Nelson on May 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s definitely starting to appear a little gunshy.
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by Rundownloser on May 24, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the biggest problem. I don’t have a problem with him stopping the fight when Nover went limp, even though nover quickly recovered, but the apparent restart is troubling. If you decide to stop a fight stop it, even if you realize you are wrong a second afterward.
by Dropkick434 on May 24, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nick
Added it to the body.
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No issue with the stoppage
I have issue with Lavigne being indecisive. Similar to the Brown/Sell affair, he just didn’t make the call with conviction. The last thing we need is an official who’s unsure of himself.
by jebushchrist on May 24, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, if you are going to pull the trigger don’t pull it halfway but hope it doesn’t fire. If you are stopping a fight everyone in the entire arena should know it, especially the 2 fighters.
by ufc4 on May 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't get it
People seem perfectly okay with a referee stopping a fight, restarting it and then stopping it again when it’s clear that the losing party is now totally okay. You can’t stop and start fights and this guy has now done it twice. It’s just bizarre.
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who’s okay w/ fake stops?? I’m not.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Yves here is simple...
if he stops the fight when Nover goes limp after taking a punch…fine it may have looked early…but whatever…safety and all that. But he stops it, lets them fight and as Nover recovers and stands up he goes “oh wait, yeah…stop it!” If you decide to let them fight you don’t then stop the fight once the hurt guy looks 100% fine.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
Bradley looks a bit like a punk here. He keeps charging forward trying to land punches as Yves is grabbing him trying to stop the fight and once Lavigne stops and lets them continue and Nover is clearly recovering Kyle starts protesting for the fight to be stopped. I’m not trying to bash the guy…but if you wanted the fight stopped stop pushing forward as the ref is trying to pull you off.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in complete agreement with your points. There was some confusion on my end; I thought folks were talking about the original stoppage, not the indecision regarding it later on. I’m with you guys on that.
And Bradley should have stopped too.
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by Rundownloser on May 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn’t given Bradley’s fault in all this much consideration, actually. I mean, it’s Lavigne’s responsibility, primarily, to dictate the end of the fight. But it is pretty bush league that after he realizes he didn’t harm Nover at all he throws his arms up in protest. Pretty weak..
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by Blackout612 on May 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
but you keep charging forward trying to get to the other guy as the ref is pulling you off you’re saying “I want to keep fighting!” but then once his opponent starts to recover you go “WHY DIDN’T YOU STOP IT?!” Like you said…pretty weak.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got seriously boo’d. Then he asked "What the heck are you boo’ing for? And guess how the crowd reacted to that…
I don’t really blame Bradley as hes a kid fighting for his career and the whole incident lasted about 5 seconds
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by Day Man on May 25, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is bad, no matter how you look at it
Bad for Yves, bad for the fighters, bad for the UFC, and bad for the sport.
After the browbeating he took from Dana and fans after the last incident, I would have thought he would have come in saying, “No matter what mistake I make, it won’t be that one again.” And year he went and did it again.
The ref should not be restraining fighters or otherwise interfering with the action unless the fight is stopped. It was almost as if Yves abdicated his responsibility when he saw Nover was OK and Bradley didn’t want to stop—“OK, you guys can keep going if you want. I’ll just stand over here.”
Yves, ordinarily a great ref, has a case of the Yips. He needs a refresher, and it would benefit the other refs as well to be told clearly: If you step in, the fight is stopped. Period.
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by thetakeover on May 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is also bad for
The chances of putting on an event in the Philippines..
by Anton Tabuena on May 24, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yves just needs to be more forceful with his stoppages. Just fucking bodycheck Bradley like BJM used to do. It would have been fine if he did that when Nover went limp, but when he stops it and just lets Bradly keep going it turns into this. He was out of position too, he needs to step in between fighters when he’s stopping, not bear hug them from behind.
by ilostmydog on May 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or cold shoulder them like Miragliotta. Extra points if they’re in the air.
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by Rundownloser on May 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the shit is that?!?!
Did the bell sound as he was in the air or something?
by ricker2005 on May 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was at the end of the round, notice how Hardy stops fighting before Dan pushes the other guy.
by Dropkick434 on May 24, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gono, and yeah it was the end of a round, I believe the end of the fight.
by Chris Nelson on May 24, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know if
Is there ref training for MMA or are they just pulled from the boxing world? Any sort of oversight, corrective or disciplinary action? Standards or rules governing their behavoir? Why is it that refs seem to get a carte blanche all the time? And why do we only have a handful of MMA refs?
If Yves wouldav stopped it for real once Nover went limp, that would have been excusable. But that’s not what happened. What happened was unacceptable and ridiculous. Something needs to be done.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 24, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was Yves the ref for the Hughes-Serra fight? Because whoever that was should have stood that fight up like 30 times.
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by FlyByKnight on May 24, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TTTHHHHAAAATSSS why they booed his introduction before that one televized fight.... aha!
by beersnbroads on May 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea thats why
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by Day Man on May 25, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Smoogy can't

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 25, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a great takedown.
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by Benicio on May 25, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SLAM!
Awesome throwdown.
Ya’know, I’d love to know what happened to ol’ Smoogy. I guess his shtick just got old.
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by themachiavellian on May 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you keep shitting on and baiting the staff, eventually it bites you in the ass.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoppage itself was great
Lavigne was in the perfect position to stop the fight as soon as Nover got K.O.’d (which he definitely did even though he was able to wake up once his face smashed on the canvas) he grabbed Bradley (thats the end of the fight.)
His mistake was not being more forceful with Bradley in separating the fighters.
Also, his intervention did keep Bradley from landing another right hook into Nover’s head as Nover was pushing off the ground. He was only able to spin to his back (which was very impressive) was because Bradley was being pushed off of his attack.
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by Day Man on May 25, 2009 3:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One problem I have with iiowyn`s GIF...
It sort of speeds up right after nover has gotten KO`d. In the GIF it looks like he quickly rolls to his back, while in reality it`s a veeery slow roll.
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by BlueberryMuffin on May 25, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea the roll wasn’t that quick. I’m guessing the point of the GIF was to show that Nover went limp because he was knocked unconscious and that a stoppage at that point was justified.
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by Day Man on May 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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