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Two Views of Lyoto Machida vs Rashad Evans at UFC 98

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This Saturday's UFC Light Heavyweight Title fight is building buzz in an unusual way. Leaving the interpersonal heat and drama to Hughes vs Serra, Machida vs Evans is all about teh strategery.

Kevin Iole uses a baseball metaphor to describe Machida:

...Machida is Greg Maddux.

Maddux’ fastball might have been, oh, 15 or 20 miles per hour slower than Ryan’s. Ryan get batters out by letting them know what was coming and then throwing the ball so hard they simply couldn’t get around quickly enough to hit it.

Maddux was slyer. Look outside and he came in. Expect something hard and get something offspeed. It was almost impossible to hit the middle of the ball with the barrel of the bat when Maddux was in his prime. Guys would sit in the on deck circle and salivate at the thought of hitting against him, but then would drag their bats back to the dugout wondering what had happened.

And that’s how Machida’s career has gone. Machida probably strikes fear in no one. He doesn’t have a devastating move he’s renowned for pulling off. But he wins by playing chess as everyone else is playing checkers.

Josh Gross on the other hand thinks the strategic advantage goes to the reigning champ and his highly touted camp:

Here's why I'm more excited for this fight than any other so far in 2009. And why I can't imagine a boring outcome. (Oh, there will be lulls. But they'll be strategic lulls.) Just because Evans and Machida aren't the kind of fighters who will try to kill each other for 25 minutes won't mean they aren't deeply locked in a fight.

My expectation is the need for both camps to adapt on the fly, and as much as Machida and his crew are pros, there isn't a better camp at identifying exploitable weaknesses during a fight than Greg Jackson, Mike Winkeljohn and others.

In-fight strategy will be a major factor in determining a winner at UFC 98.

Personally I think Jackson's camp is as good as anyone's but let's not forget that Jackson is the same coach who's Yoda'd his heart out in many a losing UFC effort -- think Nate Marquardt vs Anderson Silva, Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koscheck, GSP vs Matt Serra 1, Keith Jardine vs Houston Alexander/Wanderlei Silva etc etc.

Jackson's a great coach who's been on a hot streak, but at this level anything can happen.

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Personally I think Jackson’s camp is as good as anyone’s but let’s not forget that Jackson is the same coach who’s Yoda’d his heart out in many a losing UFC effort — think Nate Marquardt vs Anderson Silva, Diego Sanchez vs Josh Koscheck, GSP vs Matt Serra 1, etc etc.

Pointing out a camp isn’t undefeated in high profile fights isn’t exactly insightful there. And if I recall, GSP joined Team Jackson after the Serra loss.

by Meeaaat on May 21, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I kind of disagree. Hype is potent. Anderson Silva will be an unstoppable murder machine until he gets beaten, and then people will be calling for his retirement. The Jackson camp is on a roll, so Machida has to lose.

by toxic on May 21, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey it was insightful enough to get you to comment

lol.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on May 21, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well put by Gross, touches on alot of my thoughts. I would pencil in a finish though.

by bigweeze on May 21, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

But he wins by playing chess as everyone else is playing checkers.

Psh. I totally use that line against people as to why I beat them in COD4.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on May 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Maddux threw 94-95 mph in his prime, which is not “15-20 mph slower” than Nolan Ryan.

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by Mike Fagan on May 21, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe someone should write an article about how Rashad is Pedro Martinez

by bigweeze on May 21, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Luis Gonzalez

he has 10 home runs against Maddux

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on May 22, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

So does Steve Finley. Vinny Castilla has 11. Hell, Milt Thompson has 9.

Just so everyone knows, Milt Thompson had 47 career home runs. He had 9, alone, against Greg Maddux. Roughly 20% of his career round-trippers came against one of the greatest pitchers of our generation. How crazy is that?

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill

by FlyByKnight on May 22, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should have known better than to lay the bait for baseball stats guy.
Still the more times I type it the more I like it.
Rashad by Kimura

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on May 22, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maddux actually threw

88-92 in his prime, which is not terrible but you cannot compare max 92 to max 101 in baseball. I am a baseball superfreak. You can make a mistake with a 100 mph heater, where as if you miss with 88-92 you are turning around watching your pitch go 400 ft.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on May 22, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Are you joking, Fagan? 94-95? Wow…

I’ve been a lifelong Cubs fan, and I’ve never seen him hit 95. He may have hit 94 trying to throw his arm out, but 88-92 is accurate.

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by Leland Roling on May 22, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be perfectly honest

What made him an unreal pitcher was his location of the 2 seamer. It was uncanny how many times he K’d people with a pitch moving from the middle of the plate to the outside of the plate and guys just looked at it like it was a ball. Strikeout.

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by Leland Roling on May 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson's camp

by slyly applying grease to Rashad’s back so Machida can’t keep guard.

by MuayThaiHasaBeltsystem on May 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Whats amazing about Rashad is the fact that he’s supposed to be fighting as a 185lber per his build. He can easily make it.

The 2 best in the weight class at their peek… nuff said.

by mmalogic on May 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

More like ‘peak’, but I get your point.

by Derek Suboticki on May 22, 2009 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he meant “peek” as in both of them using their peek-a-boo striking style. Anybody w/“logic” in their name wouldn’t make such a mistake!

by frickshun on May 22, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedro is a very small HW, Rashad and Machida are small LHW…speed wins!

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, GSP was still trained by Victor Vargotsky for his fight with Serra at UFC 69. Jackson may have helped corner, but he wasn’t setting the gameplans yet nor was GSP a member of Team Jackson at that time.

by Hardcharger on May 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

While I completely respect & love Jackson for his gameplanning abilities,

it is the fighters who have to execute their respective gameplans. We hear stories all of the time about fighters having great gameplans coming into a fight, but not being able to execute them because their opponent changed some things up or simply got off before they were able to.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on May 22, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Very true. I think in this case, Rashad has shown to be a guy who has implemented recent gameplans almost indentially to how his trainers wanted him to. Keith Jardine, OTOH, is more hit and miss, doing very well in implementing gameplans against Liddell, Vera, and Rampage, but not against Wanderlei.

by Hardcharger on May 22, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly right. Jackson is only 1 component of Rashad’s equation. There’s coaching, training, health (nagging injuries), genetic abilities…….YOUR OPPONENT & HIS EQUATION. Plus, a little luck. Maybe one of them throws a risky technique & hits it, or misses. And the other guy capitalizes, or not. Too hard to predict these things. I expect Machida to route Rashad. Just my feeling based on watching them both develop in the last few years. Rachad has beat some better names. Machida though has shown me something new & impressive in each fight. Biggest thing is he wins rounds & forces his opponent out of their comfort zone when that happens.

by frickshun on May 22, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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