BJ Penn Continues Pursuit of NSAC Claim, Seeks Exhaustion in Order to Take the Issue to Court
by Michael Rome on May 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
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You may have thought grease gate was dead, but it's not. Penn's attorney and his mother were in Nevada again this week for a further hearing.
Team Penn has conceded that NSAC won't do anything, and they are now trying to get NSAC to make an official ruling against them so they can take the issue to court:
While addressing the NSAC, Penn's attorney appeared anxious to exhaust all avenues of action from the commission in order to take his complaint to a different venue.
"This whole process, and I've indicated this to you before, is relating to the administrative procedures – that we have to exhaust administrative procedures for us to move forward with this issue," Nahabedian said. "I need to have the commission make a definitive statement as to their decision, and I would request that the commission provide us with information relating to these motions represented because they are directed to the commission. They're not directed to anybody else."
In order to bring this issue into a Nevada court, Penn must exhaust all administrative remedies. His lawyer is trying to urge a swift judgment that he knows will be adverse so he can take the next step and bring suit. NSAC for its part appears to be in no hurry to take any action. This thing could get ugly even faster in court. If Penn files suit St. Pierre will undoubtedly respond with counterclaims of his own.
I don't know what Penn's angle is, and I don't know anybody besides the true believers that think he is doing this because he is so concerned about justice. Maybe he's trying to bring down St. Pierre out of spite, or maybe he's trying to get himself a rematch with St. Pierre. The latter sounds a bit conspiratorial, but it would be an interesting strategy to file suit and then condition dropping it upon St. Pierre agreeing to fight him again.
It's almost hard to remember the days when I had so much respect for BJ Penn. I really think that the realization that he's not a better fighter than St. Pierre has crushed him mentally, and he's doing everything he can to try to convince himself it wasn't legitimate. If it means spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to bring St. Pierre down, he's willing to go there.
I almost think they should just do a third fight if both of them win their next fights. There are no clear contenders at their weight classes after Florian and Alves, and the issue remains unsettled. The octagon is there to put things to rest, and as apathetic as I am about a third fight, the idea of GSP vs. Mike Swick doesn't exactly sound amazing to me either.
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No Third Fight
You can’t have a third fight when one guy is 0-2. Then you want to have another, and then you need a rubber match if guy wins two straight. No bueno.
BJ just seems intent on flushing money here – likely on the advice of his lawyers.
by subo on May 14, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree but its not unheard of, Nog-Herring for example…
by Reaser16 on May 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not unheard of. We’ve had it with Wand/Rampage, and here there may be special reason to question the second fight. I’m not buying it, but maybe it’s a better way to handle it than court room bullshit.
by Michael Rome on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BJ won the 3rd match
he would NEVER get back in the Octagon with GSP. NEVER.
And he would also NEVER stop talking about that time he beat GSP.
What a Fashion Don’t! That’s like your dick wearing socks with sandals.
by nandez44 on May 15, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right – yet another reason to NOT have this fight
by subo on May 15, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
It would be like the time I finally beat my best friend at Street Fighter. He kicked my ass literally a hundred times in a row before I finally won once. At that point, I tossed down the controller and declared “I beat your ass! I’m done!” To this day, I refuse to play another match with him and he drives him nuts.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on May 15, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is turning into a make work project for BJ’s lawyers.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheater's should be punished.
And thus far, the cheater hasn’t been punished.
by AnonymousA on May 14, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP did not cheat. Any vaseline applied was done so unintentionally. The vaseline was then wiped down by a commision member. Any remaining vaseline would have been lost in the clutter of vaseline that would be naturally transfered during ground fighting or clinching. GSP’s gameplan was dependent on maintaining tight ground control, and applying grease would have been counter productive.
Greasegate is dead, let it go.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 14, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not picking sides here. Both BJ and GSP are wrong in the situation. But just saying something is dead doesn’t make it dead.
by AnonymousA on May 14, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And saying GSP cheated doesn’t mean he cheated. The evideince is overwhelming in favour of GSP. The reality of the situation is that Greasegate is dead in the water.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 15, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then you’re going to have to explain to me why Mayhem and Sherk have said similar things about GSP.
I guess the guy just has a casual history of being slippery.
by AnonymousA on May 15, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ is an idiot.
They could do this fight 1000 times with grease or without, the fight ends the same way 100% of the time. BJ would still lose 2/3 of the time if the brought a gun.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on May 15, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agree. BJ has nothing on GSP.
But what does that have to do with what I just said?
by AnonymousA on May 15, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Due to diet and genetics, some people are naturally more oily than other people.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 15, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allegations<Evidence
Wait… Mayhem and Sherk say GSP felt a little slippery in fights that happened years ago? OMG!!!!! The conspiracy goes all the way to the president!!!!!!!!!! AASHFAHSFFH!!!
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 15, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and MTV hosts and a guy who was busted for steroids are excellent sources.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 15, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. Forget everything I said then.
by AnonymousA on May 15, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bien
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 15, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mayhem said GSP had grease on his chest… after he spent 2 rounds with his greased up face rubbing against GSP’s chest.
Sherk used a rubber guard the whole (short) fight… did GSP grease his shorts?
Watch the fucking fights before you quote these guys.
by sacterre on May 15, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
(formerly TheFightJournal)
by Lucas2 on May 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Mayhem and Sherk claim that GSP’s corner intentionally applied grease to him between rounds? If not, then this isn’t even a comparison to the GSP-Penn 2 fight. Sorry to burst your bubble.
by Hardcharger on May 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh how I wish we could -rec on BE
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on May 14, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obligatory
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 14, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Oh my fav!
Green’d!!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on May 15, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that picture.
(formerly TheFightJournal)
by Lucas2 on May 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Sanchez is a contender, assuming he gets through Guida.
by The Bronzeville Bully on May 14, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And Sherk is a contendor too
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is, and they could do that…but it’s not like a clear cut, undoubted contendor
by Michael Rome on May 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
err, contender.
No way Sherk gets a second shot at Penn while champ I don’t think. Sanchez could get one. And yea, Florian could always win.
by Michael Rome on May 14, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Sherk hadn’t had a suicidally bad gameplan and tried to box BJ with his T-rex arms the fight would have been much closer.
Keep firing Assholes!
This is a dream competition for me. I drink as much coffee as I want, and eventually I hallucinate.
by Ubernoober on May 14, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He said T-Rex arms
by The Bronzeville Bully on May 14, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I believe BJ was toying with Sherk. Even if Sherk could try a strategy where he can exhaust BJ, he won’t try and finish him. The thing about Sherk is he plays the points game. That shit will not cut it in against even a fatigued BJ in a five round fight.
by The Bronzeville Bully on May 14, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ tries to finish people as fast as he can because his gas tank is garbage. There is no way he toys with anyone
by Flyghtt on May 14, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn’t.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. He should have used GSP’s game plan using the GnP with constant BJJ defense. I think he was more intimidated by BJ’s ground game than he should have been
by Flyghtt on May 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on May 14, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could happen but does anyone really wanna see Penn-Sherk 2? I don’t. It’s kinda like Silva-Franklin, just because someone is the clear-cut #2 in their division doesn’t automatically make them a threat to win the title, as disappointing as that may be.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s enter a hypothetical world. In this world, Sean Sherk has cemented himself as the #2 lightweight in the UFC. At the same time, Penn has faced and beaten the #3-#10 fighters. Would you really say Penn should fight someone outside the top 10 because he already beat Sherk?
An extreme example, yes, but it’s to prove a point. There is a line that, when crossed, makes a title fight between a champion who has beaten the challenger relevant. It’s a matter of finding where that line lies.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on May 14, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike my reply ended up a few comments down for some reason.
by ufc4 on May 15, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see Sherk actually attempt to, like, wrestle. After seeing GSP wipe the floor with BJ, he might just do it.
by subo on May 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherk wouldn’t have a 20 pound weight advantage on BJ.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your selling GSP way short with that statement he is a way better functional wrestler then Sherk and I think Sherks style is tailor mad for BJ
by drano on May 15, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright how boutz,
GSP dropping down to 155 and retiring Penn. I would pay to see that.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you suggest GSP cut off to get to 155, an arm or a leg? I would go with an arm, he could still do that sweet superman jab with one arm, plus it would just be too hard to balance on only one leg.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
he hopped on one leg pretty well against Kos.
by Lynchman on May 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well there’s a big difference between not being able to put weight on your leg and not having a leg at all. Even if it’s just a nub to lean on it’s a helluva lot better than nothing.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP is cut nearly to the bone
How is he supposed to cut to 155? That would be a lose lose situation. I wonder what his body fat percentage is. Probably within 6%. Just a guess. He would basically have to lose 15lbs of muscle. That’s no fun for anyone. Especially to go right into a title fight.
by GetItOn on May 15, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing good comes easy.
I agree, it would be hard as hell to lose all that muscle, but it would be a challenge and it would be worth it. Give him a six month layoff b/f his 155# fight to do it right. This would humiliate penn (again) and cement GSP’s legacy as one of the greatest of all time. Then, he could move back to middleweight putting the lightweight belt up for grabs. Imagine a tourney for the lightweight belt w/ Penn out of the picture. That would be amazing. Now let me ask you this, when was the last time you were excited about the lightweight title picture? Yea, I thought so.
Watching GSP rise to the challenge: Win
Watching GSP put a beating on Penn that matters for something: Win
GSP’s legacy: Win
The excitement of a lightweight tourney for an open title: Win
Lightweights actually getting a chance to challenge for a title more than once a year: Win
It’s a win for GSP, for the fans, for other lightweights. The only loser I see here is Penn.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 15, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the death Georges...
…and by death I mean my lawyer will see you in court!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I believe this is the first time I’ve ever rec’d a comment, then rec’d a response to the original comment.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on May 15, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone can do it, GSP can.
I did some research and found out that anderson spiderman silva walks around at about 215# and against “what’s his name” came in at 183# (not sure why.) so that’s a drop of 32#s
GSP has said that he walks around at 185#s, so would need to drop 30# to get in at 155. He could do it slow, he could do it right. He good take Penn’s fuckin belt away man!!!
GSP chant
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Silva cut the weight and then took a huge dump according to Ed Soares.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on May 14, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Soares was embarassed to admit that his scale was fucked up, he’s very creative.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense, so by your reasoning Sherk could easily make 135, maybe he could fight Miguel Torres.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see this Penn BS STOP!
So I look around at somebody’s peers and notice that another fighter can lose that sort of weight, and use that as an example. On top of that, there is nothing telling me that GSP is incapable of doing this. Would it be a challenge? Yes. Would he have to lose some muscle? Yea, of course. Would he still be able to embarrass Penn? Without a doubt.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 14, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why would gsp want to go through all that just to fight a guy that he has already beaten twice?
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because BJ will always be a pain in GSP’s ass, trying to tarnish his legacy. Ohh, and another belt.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he wants another belt he’ll take Anderson’s.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s kind of a silly hypothetical Mike, Penn has come nowhere near that close to cleaning out his division, hell he hasn’t defended the title in over a year. Stevenson and Sherk are the only contenders in his division he has beaten. He has KenFlo coming up then Diego after that, who knows what other contenders may have been established by that time and Sherk isn’t getting any younger. In your bizarro lightweight division then I would agree that the rematch would be needed but in reality we are nowhere close to this situation.
by ufc4 on May 15, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think GSP really gives a toss about BJ and his attempt to “tarnish his legacy”. He knows who won that fight. Penn’s bitching probably sounds like a gnat buzzing outside the window.
by lhasafi on May 15, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your mathematical skills make no sense.
If sherk had the same mental toughness and athletic skills as GSP, he might be able to drop 30#. Since his walking weight is 175, that would be a drop to 145# not 135# as you state.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 14, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t walk around weight different from the weight they begin cutting at? I think during the course of a training camp he’s closer to 200.
by Tonley on May 14, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t even try, most people will not listen to reason. I saw someone quote that Silva walks around at 240 on here the other day.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on May 14, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly would his claim in court be?
I mean seriously, who the hell would he even sue, and for what? Having NSAC unwilling to do anything is a pretty big hurdle to jump to make any significant claim.
by toxic on May 14, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep going BJ
It’s not like someone is coming for your title in a few months..
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on May 14, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Florian makes this talk of a third fight irrelevant
but I would also love to see BJ get pounded again.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on May 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think GSP may have broken BJ Penn mentally. it’s the only explanation i can see for this stupidity.
by bobthewriter on May 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know this situation brings to light something that I’ve always wondered about and that is that the athletic commision is the end all decision, I’m glad to see that there are other avenues that someone can take to appeal a wrong decision. I personally don’t agree with Penn’s stance but I would have liked to see Anthony Johnson take these steps after his loss to Kevin Burns or any of the other countless mistakes the commission particularly the CSAC has made.
by drano on May 14, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, the reason why you’ve never heard of someone taking a claim like this court is because its a very stupid thing to do. You not only piss off the UFC, NSAC, and the fans, but you are doing it for what? So maybe you’ll get in front of a jury. Maybe. I’m not even sure who he would sue—- if he sues GSP, he can just drop the arbitration clause on Penn and get it taken back to NSAC. So Penn is probably contemplating suing NSAC!
I’m pretty sure that all fighters agree to use NSAC to arbitrate disputes like this. If that is the case, the only argument Penn has left is that the denial of a remedy is such an egregious abuse of discretion that the court should overturn it. This is different from arguing that GSP was in the wrong! He would have to argue that GSP is so clearly in the wrong that the NSAC was beyond the pale.
So Penn will be asking the judge to overturn a government agencies power to do its job over a highly controversial issue.
If this were a fight, NSAC/GSP would be at -5000.
by toxic on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the BJ nuthuggers would bet their house on him.
by ufc4 on May 14, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good point I absolutely agree this is not the ideal case for this but Antonio Silva, Sean Sherk, and Kevin Burns might have had really good cases and may have forced some changes in the system.
by drano on May 14, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is going to make me happier than when Kenflo beats BJ and takes his title then he can go home to his mommy. Then we can turn the page on BJ’s mma career because it’s clear that GSP broke him and Ken will finish off whatever Penn has left.
by Raker on May 14, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just give them an exhibition match with rash guards. That should satisfy BJ and I’m always happy to see him get his ass kicked again.
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on May 14, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not necessary
Rash guards wouldn’t prove anything. The vaseline has been removed the situation. That’s enough right there.
by GetItOn on May 15, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP offered to fight him again with rash guards in an interview soon after grease-gate happened.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on May 15, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
BJ… I am speachless.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on May 15, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify…this isn’t an appeal. You cant appeal this to a court, this would be exhausting administrative remedies before filing a separate suit in court.
by Michael Rome on May 15, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt BJ would win in court. BUT if he did wouldn’t the commissions pretty much have to use the ruling as a guideline to future greasing?
I’ll get flamed for this, but to tell the truth I really stopped being a hardcore fan of MMA from Greasegate fallout. If your going to have a law/rule and someone complains either enforce it or get rid of it. Don’t do nothing. Inaction pisses me off.
I hope BJ’s mom takes this as far as she can. It’s already to the point where ‘Hardcore’ fans blame him pretty much completely, I want a decision. It’s like watching a one round fight end in a 10-10 draw.
by natyong on May 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, does anyone know if BJ was even at this hearing? It didn’t mention it in the article. Just that the lawyer and Mom where there.
by natyong on May 16, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem
with your statement is this. The NSAC did act after the complaint. In the ring, an official wiped of GSP, by rule that is action, and it was taken. Anything above and beyond that is merely posturing by BJ and his family trying to make excuses as to why he lost so badly.
by proflex on May 16, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know which statement this pertains to. I think greasing is a big deal and something worse than steroids. It seems that NSAC considers it less than or about equal to fence grab (remedy as much as quickly possible and a warning). Just like Conseco and some fans appealed to higher government authority so do select MMA fans and BJ. I fully expect BJ to be ostracized as Conseco has, but I do expect him to be able to be heard.
NSAC seems to me to be thinking like Boxers. Boxers to me try and “cheat” more often than they don’t. The commission rarely catches these cheats. Boxers to me seem to be caught more by the trainers of the opponent more than by the commission. MMA doesn’t have this opponent over watch. BJ’s camp wasn’t even informed about it until after the fight, how could complaint have been remedied.
by natyong on May 17, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also if they think enough remedial action took place, Officially state it. Do they think by ignoring it, it won’t become an issue again. All they have to say is “we have been unable to determine that the greasing was intentional. When brought to the attention of Commission Officials we remedied the best we could and a warning was issued to the offending fighters camp. We deem this matter closed unless further significant evidence is presented.”
Commissioners saying, “I doubt anything will come of this” and “I hope this matter will go away” are statements of politicians and damage control, not judges.
by natyong on May 17, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would love to see gsp put a beatdown on him again so he could
finally shut he’s fucking mouth but i wouldnt pay for it tho
by prefernottosay on May 15, 2009 2:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Money on Kenflo is looking better and better.
by Dooda on May 15, 2009 3:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly. Thats all I take away from this story. BJ has been mentally broken and has not moved on.
There couldn’t be a better time for Kenny to take on BJ.
by cauliflower_ears on May 15, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no better fighter to take advantage of this than Kenny. I think he truly believes that he can beat BJ and his focus on improving his skills and his dedication to his craft has few rivals. This might be the beginning of a slump of one of the greatest LW’s we’ve seen.
by Dooda on May 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is hilarious. BJ’s got a title defense coming up and he’s preoccupied with a case he can’t win. Had there been some genuine foul play involved, the NSAC would’ve caught it and addressed it. They were there, they know the rules, they saw what happened and did what they were supposed to do. I don’t see how a court of law could better deal with the problem – but the idea that a court would mandate a rematch (whether realistic of not) makes me giggle.
Apparently BJ can’t swallow his defeat because in his mind he was robbed in their first fight and the rematch was supposed to prove that he is the better fighter. Hence all the trash talk about going to the death and killing GSP. This was supposed to be the time to prove that he is really the best there ever has been. Sadly for Penn, GSP took him completely off his game and beat him up so bad he couldn’t answer the bell. After all the expectations, that must’ve been a huge shock. Based on how BJ has gotten stuck to the idea of foul play, it must’ve been epic.
Say, isn’t Florian training at Jackson’s these days? Imagine GSP cornering him to the Penn fight – and the look that would cause on Penn’s face. One casual remark of “not being imprezz” might make Penn crap his pants mid-fight.
by lhasafi on May 15, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Lightweight Division
BJ Penn beat a tiny Jens Pulver (who he lost to previously), a good match up for him in Stevenson, and an injured Sean Sherk. After a year without defending his title he comes back for yet another comfortable match with Florian who is arguably less adept on the ground. While Florian is deserving of a title shot, at the same time it seems like Penn is ducking a lot of other deserving fighters more capable of taking the title and in good fashion. General fans often look past the lightweight division because of their size, but a champ like a Spencer Fisher (big fan), Frankie Edgar, Diego Sanchez or Sean Sherk would generate more interest with the pace and excitement they bring to the octagon. Looking at it like that, I can’t help but say BJ Penn is a douche. Here’s hoping for a submission in the 1st by Flying GogoKenflo.
by toughaintenough on May 15, 2009 4:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Florian in the first round by a Superman Jab!
by lhasafi on May 15, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florian is way deserving of his shot
He’s waited and he’s earned it. And he just might win, considering BJ seems more interested in litigation than training.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on May 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah this will all go away once Florian beats Penn.
by SamCupitt on May 15, 2009 7:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No
if Florian beats Penn, there will be a massive lawsuit by BJ. you think this is a meltdown? “But I can’t be beat by a … a … reality TV show star!”
by bobthewriter on May 15, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And remember folks...
The reason we don’t like Penn is because we question his talent.
* sigh *
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the reason i don’t like him is b/c he keeps making excuses and crying like a little girl.
by fuzzy wuzzy on May 15, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was being sarcastic, referring to an article from earlier this week. :)
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that he keeps bringing his mom.
I’m getting dumber every time I hear about this. What a train wreck.
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by The Kittitas Kid on May 15, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances
BJ doesn’t make the fight (gets injured in training and mom writes a note)?
He seems way too distracted with his GSP loss to properly train. I seem to recall before the fight with GSP he was saying how well his training was going, yet in reality he was ducking calls from Dana who wanted to make sure he was prepared. He told the camera how prepared he was…yet we all know how prepared he was not.
by GreenG on May 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He told the camera how prepared he was…yet we all know how prepared he was not.
Why do you say that he wasn’t prepare?
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was gassed by the third round what more proof do you need?
by ufc4 on May 15, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any credit to his opponent, whose strategy was to tire him out?
Or wasn’t GSP in there with him?
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prepared? BJ?
The program showed him at training camp, didn’t it? I figure if BJ even attempts to show up to camp, it’s a moral victory for him. :)
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by pud333 on May 15, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said he wasn’t prepared because his talk was “if he thought Fitch was the terminator, he’s going to think I’m God.” And then he got beat down for four rounds (not five). And then he tossed in the towel.
If he was prepared, he would have 1) looked better, 2) gone five rounds.
I wouldn’t have a problem with him quitting after round 4 if his mouth hadn’t already written the check (that his ass couldn’t cash…is how the saying goes)
by GreenG on May 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BJ’s doesn’t have the work ethic that GSP or Kenflo has. He’s always relied on his natural gifts. I think the BJ we saw that night was as prepared as any BJ gets. Seriously, GSP is just the better fighter.
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by pud333 on May 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BJ doesn’t have the work ethic of Homer Simpson.
by ufc4 on May 15, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, GSP is just the better fighter.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Fuck “he wasn’t prepared” excuses by the BJ fans… the truth is, he got his ass beat by a better fighter, and a better human being.
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was prepared, he would have 1) looked better, 2) gone five rounds.
Please keep in mind that he was in an MMA match, and not a solo dance competition. You BJ lovers tend to forget that he had GSP pounding him… The fight didn’t revolve around whether or not BJ ran underwater with rocks enough.
by mythbuster on May 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ was the most prepared he’s ever been. He got basically knocked out in the second round from guard, and was running on fumes for 2 rounds after. The fact that he kept going speaks to his training and ability. He still is just not the fighter GSP is.
by Michael Rome on May 15, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, are you picking on the new guy or is your reading comprehension that poor? I use not being prepared as a phrase condeming the man, not as an excuse for him to lose!
I am not a BJ fan, I am being critical of him. I was first turned off when he said he was going to beat his oppenent and lick their blood from his gloves.
I guess I was assuming he knew someone else (of awesome athletic ability) would be in there with him and he would need to prepare to fight 5 rounds against him. He quit. Even after he was a jerk on TV and saying how badass he was and deriding Fitch.
I appreciate that he made it 4 rounds against GSP. That is a feat. But Fitch did 5. Fitch knew what to expect and came in prepared to go the distance and not quit like Baby J.
I half expect the fight with Florian not to happen (he’s going to quit before it even starts…ie injury withdrawal)
by GreenG on May 16, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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