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Matt Serra: Matt Hughes Hides Behind Religion

I'm not religious at all, but I grew up in the Deep South. And suggesting Hughes uses religion as a means to camouflage his vindictiveness is about the most incendiary thing Serra can say short of directly insulting his wife or child.

That means I'm even more excited to watch this fight. I realize this fight is somewhat past its expiration date, but I'd be disingenuous if I said their mutual animus didn't heighten the stakes for me. Others are free to disagree, but a good old fashioned grudge match between two former UFC welterweight champions seems like an excellent compliment to the more measured, meaningful Evans vs. Machida bout.

Hughes offers his side of things after the jump.

p.s. Apologies to everyone for my lack of posting. I'm typing with one hand and that hand just so happens to be my opposite hand. On top of that, I'm floating from use of Percocet. I'll try to get back to regular posting as soon as possible.

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...yikes

that’s some pretty hardcore smack Serra is talking.

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by Brent Brookhouse on May 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

That's great

Grade A, good quality smack talk always has an element of truth.

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am one of the least religious people I have ever met…and I hope Hughes mudstomps Serra.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Serra’s position in this has always been baffling to me, almost contrived.

by Razreshat on May 13, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

There is that episode in TUF where Hughes passes out Bibles to team members and asks each member to pick a verse to read. Some may misinterpret that as “Bible Thumping”.

by Colorado Fan on May 13, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

misinterpret?

If that’s not textbook Bible Thumping, what is?

by klown on May 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) It was a passage from the old testament… Bible Thumping generally refers to Christianity
2) It was a story about a Queen and the poor and a court case, blah blah, the point of the reading was the recognize leadership and teamworking rolls.
3) He never forced any of them to read it and I recall at least 2 people didnt
4) I can’t think of a 4 so I’m stopping

by TheConcreteKid on May 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

Yeah, he didn’t force anyone but he had a JEWISH guy on the team and this naturally excluded him (discrimination)

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Torah is pretty much the old testament, so it couldn’t have been that offensive to read to a Jew.

by Dropkick434 on May 13, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Tanakh*

from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe

by troy145 on May 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?????

because he read for the old testament its not bible thumping?? hogwash i say. hogwash.

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by funnytiger on May 13, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m really, really glad I’m not the only one that thought that was goofy. Are there Torah-thumping Jews?

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

“1) It was a passage from the old testament… Bible Thumping generally refers to Christianity”

“Bible thumpers” refers to fundamentalist Christians who some would say:

a) Call for a literal interpretation of the Bible to be used as the only perfect rule for faith, doctrine, conduct and law, AND
b) Pick the most peculiar parts of the Bible to rely on – especially by pulling out commandments from the Old Testament that Jesus specifically tossed out by declaring himself the fulfillment of the law.

“Bible thumping” is just thumping a Bible. I can do that right here at my desk. :-)

(Preacher’s kid.)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

He was pretty respectful and non confrentational on the UFC 98 media call yesterday, a lot more respectful then Matt Hughes who hung up early from the media call after some moron asked him if he wanted a bowling rematch with Serra.

Guess its easier to talk shit when you know the other person isn’t listening directly.

by Gunslinger20 on May 13, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

And if he loses I bet he’ll hug Hughes and then tell Rogan or proclaim during the post fight press conference that Hughes is a great champ, future Hall of Famer etc.

by TheConcreteKid on May 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on May 13, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can they armbar each other and not tap?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on May 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ankle lock probably more viable. :)

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on May 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah, both break one ankle, Then both switch to the other ankle and break those also. Next TUF is these guys in the new ParaUFC competition. Kyle Maynard ecstatic and first champ.

by natyong on May 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

God willing

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 13, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No!!!! To the Double KO. Then we will have to do the fight all over again. How one gasses and taps to strikes in the 2nd round. The other in his celebration falls off the top of the cage and KO’s himself.

by natyong on May 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's right

So you find what Serra said insulting but what about when Hughes said “My wife wants blood. Not my blood. His blood.”

So much for being “good christians”. Don’t know if Hughes is hiding behind the bible but as with all these religious nuts, he’s a hypocrite and very confused.

Love Hughes making sh## up

“The thing I get told the most is go out and beat Matt Serra’s ass because I hate the way he talks”

Really? People hate the way he talks? What people? Your friends from the south?

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

you realize Matt Hughes is from the midwest, right?

leave us southerners alone. we just want to watch a couple of yankees beat the hell out of each other.

by bobthewriter on May 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

…but you know what I mean

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

You mean youre geographically challenged?

Sorry man but its kinda insulting to us who actually live in the South. “I dont like Hughes and he works on a farm -→ he’s southern.”

from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe

by troy145 on May 16, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

please watch

the anti-religious talk and the bashing of other regions of the country.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on May 13, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If BE is going to post videos like this, you’re going to have to accept that kind of response. Incivility breeds incivility, Nate.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually we don’t.

by Luke Thomas on May 13, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

So you expect to post videos of people saying outrageous things, but not allow your readers to have that same discussion? When fighters say something controversial, it’s worth putting on the front page of the site, but when readers express the same thing it’s an offense? That’s a fine line, Luke.

I mean, those videos have a lot of stuff in them, but you pulled out that one line:

“You know, he’s such a dick of a person that he has to hide behind religion, you know, to make himself feel better.”

…and a) made that the centerpiece of a post about two of the most divisive figures in the sport, and b) paraphrased it to make it even worse:

“uses religion as a means to camouflage his vindictiveness”

That’s asking for trouble.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s like, whichever side you take, you’re being controversial and offending someone here. I didn’t know that was a problem, frankly.

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teach the controversy, Luke!

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this world of ridiculous political correct-ness, no one is allowed to speak their mind. So how about instead, we hold it all in and express it through a passive aggressive nature!? That way, no one knows why you are angry with them!

by grb on May 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

THAT MAKES ME SO ANGRY I JUST WANT TO AGREE TO BABYSIT YOUR KIDS AND THEN CANCEL AT THE LAST MINUTE.

But I’m keeping it inside.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Can I use that? Too damn funny…

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by funnytiger on May 13, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s possible to be civil and have a heated, but ultimately respectful debate. It all depends on the posters. The problem with a topic like religion, is that it can be touchy and can push people’s buttons. So yeah, you’ll get some people mouthing off, but BE doesn’t have to take responsibility for something some yahoo wrote.

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by pud333 on May 13, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They also shouldn’t have to take responsibility for the hurt feelings of someone who read what some yahoo wrote. We’re all adults here… aren’t we?

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My name is Frank S. Yahoo. You got something against me?

by bubbafat on May 13, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You punk ass motherf…. wait, Luke said we have to be good. Peace be with you!

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know how I avoid reading idiotic comments? By staying away from the comments at sites like Perez Hilton and Youtube. But what do those sites have in common? A LOT of idiotic content.

I’m just saying: when you post something controversial and disrespectful, you reap what you sow. If you don’t want to get that response, you shouldn’t put that stuff up. When Luke embedded those videos, he made an implicit statement that that’s the acceptable level of discourse. To say that it isn’t after the fact is disingenuous.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

I was not being anti-religious. I’m anti people that use religion as a crutch, whether it be for making themselves look like good people or making money, etc. In the end it’s all human nature but religions brings out the worst (and sometimes the best) in people.

Matt Hughes parading on TUF with his bible and having bible study was one of the funniest/detesting things I’ve seen.

Just read his book to find out what kind of person he truly is.

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t we just hate Serra for being a dirty Italian from Long Island and hate Hughes for being a dirty redneck farmer and soulless twin freak

by TheConcreteKid on May 13, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

My gut hurts I’m laughing so hard!

by bubbafat on May 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

SI SE PUEDE!

(YES WE CAN!)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

because these lines of conversation quickly degenerating into ugly namecalling.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I’ve seen several religious conversations start on the threads here, and I’ve never seen anyone get out of line with it. When someone believes you’re going to Hell, it’s kind of hard to get offended about anything else.

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t tempt me. It’s not fair. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't see the comments we have to hide.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on May 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

True. Half the time I’m instigating them, though.

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

SEE!? It’s not my fault at ALL.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap - premature posting

That’s why I like reading your posts. It’s like FL, only consistently high-quality.

I do agree, though, you post an article like this, shit’s gonna fly. I know Serra wasn’t bashing religion, rather Hughes’s hypocritical take on it (seriously, does anyone honestly think he’s a good Christian?), but some people aren’t going to see the difference. I, for one, think Hughes would be a tool regardless of what god he worshiped.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If he worshipped Glycon he’d at least be an ironic tool. That would be a nice change of pace.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I like Alan Moore (though he can be tool-ish – I mostly find him funny).

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s kinda hit or miss with me. Watchmen was great, but V and The Killing Joke left me rather disappointed.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 13, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

V was decent, but I love The Killing Joke. From Hell is awesome, and Miracleman is great, but too tangled up in lawyerland to be released. Lost Girls is beyond creepy.

NB: Did you get my last email? I never fully trust the interwebs to send them.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on May 13, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course

Does it surprise anybody that this site is full of comic nerds? Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to read my copy of Fin Fang Four #1.

by inadvertentgroinstrike on May 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think I’m a comics sort of guy. The Killing Joke had a lot of cool stuff going on, but it moved way too quickly for me. I wish it were more fleshed out.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on May 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ll notice though that he was actually pretty careful:

So much for being "good christians". Don’t know if Hughes is hiding behind the bible but as with all these religious nuts, he’s a hypocrite and very confused.

He didn’t make fun of religious adherents in general or even Christians specifically. He made fun of “nuts.” Nuts who also happen to be religious, but nuts. Also, Matt Hughes, and who can blame him? :-)

Really? People hate the way he talks? What people? Your friends from the south?

Again, “from the south” may be (geographically incorrect) what you’re focusing on, but he’s talking about Matt’s friends, implying that only a guy’s buddies would say something like that.

On the other hand, olegb139’s formatting and paragraph construction are an abomination, and will CLEARLY condemn him to the pits of hell, but that’s another thread.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are you saying?

Where did I say that he made fun of Christians? Please read my comment and understand it before you start quoting me.

As far as paragraph structure, who cares? It’s so trivial and petty to point something like that out on a public forum. I know you need the boost in self esteem but you need to take a look at your own writing. I can identify at least 2 mistakes. Again, what’s the point? Or is that your lame attempt at humor?

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I withdraw my support: you clearly aren’t even reading what you’re responding to. I wrote:

“He didn’t make fun of religious adherents in general or even Christians specifically. "

You responded:

“Where did I say that he made fun of Christians?”

Huh?

“Or is that your lame attempt at humor?”

No, that was my EXCELLENT attempt at humor. A little too subtle for some people evidently. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

pwned!

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by funnytiger on May 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Useless

Man, Jem! No matter how good you are at communicating, there’s gotta be That Guy

by asa on May 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its jumping to conclusions to interpret the comment

about how Serra talks as a jab at his particular regional accent or people from that part of the country.

Personnaly, I took it as a comment out how Serra runs his mouth about Hughes, about his specific comments about another person.

by Razreshat on May 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on May 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure there are people that find both the content and sound of his words equally grating.

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by Richard Wade on May 13, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

i stopped liking Matt Hughes when he coached on TUF because of his attitude and behavior. but since then, Serra has sounded like much more of a jerk. i don’t know if he’s just trying to pump the fight or what.

but i’ll tell you this: a motivated Matt Hughes is going to be bad news for just about anybody besides GSP in that weight division.

by bobthewriter on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

That TUF is proof that is you hear something enough over and over again you perceive it to be true. I heard Serra call Hughes “a dick” a thousand times, but I really haven’t seen it.

by TheConcreteKid on May 13, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

his fight with royce is what got me interested in the sport so i was a natural born fan of his, but over the years his cockiness, ego, douchiness have annoyed me. That being said, Serra is so much worse it makes my head spin.

from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe

by troy145 on May 16, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

or thiago alves...

from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe

by troy145 on May 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to see where

people knock on Hughes attitude. Listening to Thiago Alves’ take on Hughes is one thing. But Serra comes out looking more like a prick than Hughes. And Serra’s claim to fame is based on an upset. When TUF was on, I liked Hughes although I saw him as a confident borderline cocky person. But for Serra to criticize Hughes for his behavior, when Serra is acting the same way/maybe worse I think is more hypocritical than hiding behind “a religion”

by JVelez on May 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m loving this fight more and more every day.

by Hardcharger on May 13, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Has anybody seen the article about how this could be Serra’s last fight? I was surprised by it mainly because if a Matt were to retire after this fight I think almost everybody would say Hughes.

by The Legend on May 13, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

you sure

it was Serra? I thought it came from Hughes…

by JVelez on May 13, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Serra was asked yesterday on the UFC 98 press call if this was going to be his last fight…… he said he wasn’t sure, he’ll have to see what happens. He still has his school and fighters to train, but if he takes an epic beating from Matt Hughes…. it could be the end.

by Gunslinger20 on May 13, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the article is on mmajunkie

by The Legend on May 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serra really means business...

… if he’s attacking Hughes’ relationship with his religion. I mean, that goes a little further than your typical “Your mamma’s so fat…” comment. Religion aside, I think this is gonna be a barn burner.

I don’t really like either guy. It’s like having to choose between crap #1 or crap #2. So it doesn’t matter to me who wins. I just wanna see a good fight. Something to rid me of any memory of the last UFC main event. :)

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by pud333 on May 13, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

Serra is only “attacking” his religion because Hughes has been so vocal and open about himself being a “good christian” when in reality he is just like the rest of us (sometimes an ahole, says and does horrible things, etc.)

by olegb139 on May 13, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

christians, in reality, are just like everyone else

Real Christians see themselves as sinners needing salvation. Self-proclaiming christians that think of themselves as better than other people are confused and are doing Christ a disservice.

by Zou want a piece? on May 13, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are assholes of all creeds and denominations – absolutely true

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serra is awesome. I hope he pounds Hughes.

The Bird is the Word.

by IHateMMA on May 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

make it green!!!

ROFLMAO!

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by funnytiger on May 13, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

i’m a Christian, and i’ve got to say that was one of the funniest things i’ve ever read on this site. awesome.

REC’D.

do you mind if i steal this? :-D

by bobthewriter on May 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m waiting for the inevitable inspirational poster spoof. Chris, weo?

by Derek Suboticki on May 13, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke

Be careful with that percocet. I nearly killed myself with that stuff in 1992. Granted I was taking them recreationally with alcohol, they can really sneak up on you and mess with your respirations.

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by Warhand on May 13, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not interested in a theological debate. I’ll let the experts address such things. This will be settled in the cage that night, as it should be. May the best fighter win. Both guys are cocky and talk junk. Let’s see who can back it up.

by Rich Wyatt on May 13, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

"I'm typing with one hand and that hand just so happens to be my opposite hand."

How many wrong things in this sentence? This thread greatly amused me. Everything about this thread was just screaming fail. It just started bad and will probably never recover. Luke on drugs is quite amusing.

Jews against the Old Testament, Bible thumping is grabbing the biggest book around and using it to knock some sense into someone. Hypocritical Bible thumpers are people that that go Bible thumping and then they steal the cents from their wallets. RNC!!!

Oh yah and pretty much every other point olegb139 tried to make in this thread that hasn’t been mentioned.

by natyong on May 14, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

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