UFC 98 Betting Preview: Early Lines Edition
With UFC 98 roughly two weeks away, it's worth taking a look at the current lines due to the fact that many of them are moving to favor the bank rather than the bettor. For the most part, oddsmakers have been getting relatively better at setting lines within the context of the UFC events, but the fanbase is also betting much more than they had been two or three years ago. This has resulted in many of the more recent events pushing closer lines as events approach. Every solid bettor knows that jumping on the lines early can result in solid returns. Let's take a look, parentheses are odds ranges from the various sites listed at BestFightOdds.com:
Lyoto Machida (-220 to -205) vs. Rashad Evans (+180 to +165): The matchup is one of the best we'll see in the Light Heavyweight Division this year, and the lines are even more enticing if you have a winner already picked out. Machida's line is continuing further up from -220, so you should jump on the lowest line you can right now before it hits the stratosphere. If you believe Evans will win this matchup, his line continues to get better for underdog bettors, moving up toward +190. You might want to try to wait on this line as it continues to get better.
Matt Hughes (-260 to -250) vs. Matt Serra (+220 to +190): Hughes' line is continuing to rise to a point where I don't think a bet is going to be possible with a little cash. He's rising toward -300, and I've always been wary when it hits that ceiling. -300 for Hughes isn't a bad deal though, if you truly believe he's the big favorite here. Serra's line is getting better. He may approach +250 by fight time, so waiting for the underdog pick might be worthwhile. Keep an eye on it.
Frankie Edgar (+240 to +190) vs. Sean Sherk (-280 to -265): Edgar isn't my pick here, but if you believe he can pull it off, now is the time to bet. +240 is a great underdog value bet here. Sherk's line won't move too much. It's sticking around -260 to -270, not a bad bet at all. I'd stick with a Sherk bet right now.
Dave Kaplan (+120 to +110) vs. George Roop (-140 to -150): Kaplan's line is getting better for underdog bets as it is moving toward +130, but this is still a pretty even line. Roop is heading upward, so he's going to be a bigger favorite down the road. Regardless of those lines moving, if Roop's your pick, you better bet now.
Kyle Bradley (+290 to +280) vs. Phillipe Nover (-350 to -365): Nover's line seems to be maintaining at -350, so I'm a bit skeptical at this point in betting on it. Too much dough to throw down on such a lowly fight. Bradley really isn't moving at all either, so if you know something we don't about Bradley, maybe it can work out. I'm staying away.
Brandon Wolff (+365 to +350) vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida (-460 to -550): I'm definitely not betting on this one. Line is way too far apart, not moving whatsoever, and Yoshida is the obvious favorite skill-wise in this matchup. -550 is huge. If it was down toward -350, it might not be such a hard bargain.
Pat Barry (-300 to -350) vs. Tim Hague (+250 to +225): Hague is actually moving up on some books, but Barry is also pulling away on some books. The line could hit -400 by the time the event comes around for Barry, so jump on Barry right now if that's your horse.
Brock Larson (+120) vs. Chris Wilson (-167): Only one book is putting odds out on this fight currently, but Larson is a decent underdog bet here, although +120 isn't the greatest value. Nonetheless, it might be worth a play. I'd probably wait till the other books push their odds out first to get some more options.
Drew McFedries (-227) vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokam (+157): Again, only one book currently pushing these odds, so I'd wait for some other lines to hit the wires before making any bets. I imagine Pokam will see some action if he's an underdog, so it might be worth checking the books for when all the odds come out. Making a play on Pokam early might pay off.
Andre Gusmao (-118) vs. Krzysztof Soszynski (-118): Another matchup with only one book on the odds so far. I like Gusmao here, and I think people underestimate him. If this line sticks, I'll bet some good money on him. Again, wait for some of the other books to open up for better options.
Betting Analysis
One of the ways a bettor can get ahead of the game is to jump on the early lines. Sometimes waiting out the hype is the right play as well, specifically for Evans. Evans may continue to rise as people bet on Machida more and more. You may be able to grab him up at +200 if this continues a day before the fight.
Happy Betting everyone!
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I'll take Brock Larson over Chris Wilson straight up
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
No doubt
I really like Wilson, but Larson is a killer.
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d put money on Rashad if my wife let me. I can’t see him losing this fight! I have a feeling that Evans gameplan is to fight a very safe and boring fight which is not good for the fans but will definately be better than chasing Machida the whole time.
Also, can’t wait to see Evans vs Rampage trashtalk/staredown Part 2 after Rashad wins! :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
My two cents: if it does to decision it goes to Machida. If both fighters just hang back and play it safe, Machida will outpoint Evans every time. I doubt Evans has the patience to out Machida Machida. Maybe he does.
Machida better wake up early and drink alot of warm pee that day because Rashad won’t be going down easy.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 11, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Rashad losing rounds is overblown. Of course, I’m saying this in hindsight.
I believe his plan was for the fight to end before the scorecards vs. Chuck, so losing rounds didn’t matter. He was loading up the right hand all fight. They were specifically being unaggressive and trying to piss Chuck off so he would be careless with his hands.
And vs. Forrest, I’m sure he felt that he could get the finish. But he still knew he had to turn it up in rounds 3-5 as he had fallen behind and came out aggressively.
Winning rounds early is great, but not necessary. All you have to do is win 3 of 5 rounds on two scorecards. Of course, it’s easier said than done to win 3, 4, and 5 after you’ve given up 1 and 2. But if you spend rounds 1-2 making winning those late rounds easier, it could theoretically be worth the risk (of not taking big damage early). And if you have the ability to end a fight quickly, losing early rounds isn’t as big of an issue.
My point is that if Greg Jacksons big plan is to try to outpoint Machida by hanging back and risking nothing to grind a decision, that has a high chance of failing miserable. Machida is very good at point fighting. His harsher critics might say its the only thing he’s really good at.
The one thing I don’t like about his point fighting style is that it is a little stop and start. What I mean by this is that he needs time to get his bearings back after he has thrown his flurry – I think this is why Machida circles out so often to reestablish his advantage. Though his timing on a fresh exchange is second to none and has stopped many fighters in their tracks, if Rashad can get through that initial barrier he should have success. GSP mentioned a slowish reset time in regards to BJ despite quick reflexes, I think the same is true for Machida as well. Boxing and wrestling seem to lend themselves better to continuous fighting and quick transitions in close quarters.
I don’t have too much problem with Lyoto’s point fighting because all really you need in MMA is one stun to put someone a bad position. If you get the guy on his back and land a couple of big punches while he’s dazed, that can easily lead to a KO. Heck, Machida did it vs. Thiago (the weak chin made him pretty easy to stun, but the idea still stands).
The thing that is bad about point fighting is that at the higher echelons of MMA, especially with 4 ounce gloves, is that fighters are always dangerous. In some cases, taking the risk to finish a fight early (finish = win) may be a better move than keeping the door for another few rounds. Some guys are safer to let hang around than others (Leites for one), and if you can help it you should try and finish guys with big power. Look at what Scott Smith did in R3 since Radach couldn’t put him away.
A must-read for betters
I’m so happy Leland has been brought on board to give more publicity to his excellent betting analysis. I always learn more from reading him, both about upcoming fights but also about overall strategy. This post is no exception.
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Undercard bets
I like both Larson and Prof. X in their fights, so that could be a sweet underdog parlay.
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Agreed.
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by Rundownloser on May 11, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Parlay query
So betting d00dz, I have a question about parlays.. How can you quantify your winnings? I’m thinking about betting in on a parlay and would like to have an idea of the risk/reward.
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If you really want raw numbers, just Google “Parlay calculators”. You can just enter the lines for whatever you would actually bet on, and it’ll give you the output. I can put together an article regarding the actual calculations later.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Leland. Figured this wasn’t the last of your betting previews for 98, in any case.
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Trial and error
Depending on your sprotsbook, the parlays are pretty easy to figure.
If you use Bodog your can add guys to the top Green box. Then you can play around to see what combo will pay what.
Really easy once you get the hang of it. Plus you have to go through 2 sperate confimation screens before any money is bet. So there is not any danger of making “accidental” plays.
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I figured there’d have to be some sort of on-site system where you can see what you’re dealing with. I’ll have to check that out. Thanks.
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC parlay odds
You can use Betus.com, right here.
Just click the box next to all the fighters you want, then type in the amount you’d like to wager, and it instantly calculates your potential winnings.
It’s fun to play with—adding and subtracting fighters until you find a combo that your confident in and pays well. You can even bet multiple events in one parlay! I currently have a 11 fighter parlay that includes fights from UFC98-100 AND TUF Fight Night!
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Please take your action off BetUS.com, they are not a reputable book. http://sportsbookreview.com/sbr/betus/
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Recommedation to everyone...
5Dimes is absolutely one of the best. If you’re in Canada, use Pinnacle. Not only does Pinnacle have better lines, but they are very reputable.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I am going to have to call Bodog again. I have been dying to throw down on the Larson/Wilson Berry/ Hague fights but Bodog is notoriously slow for posting undercard lines. (But they do have fast and FREE payouts) I did get in on Sherk as soon as the line came out a couple months ago. I have him on some parlays form previous UFC’s then are just wating to pay out once he wins. I’ve been trying to study Gusmao to see if he’s worth a play but I came to a different conclusion. Although it will be a competitive fight I think Krzstzof will pull it out. I like UD plays on Prof X, Bradley, and even a small one on Wolf. Mostly, I’ll stick to my stratedgy of starting with a rock solid foundational parlay of Larson and Barry. It looks like just that’s going to pay almost 2:1 so that might be all I need but I’m sure Roop and hughes will get a lil play too.
I’m not too keen on Bradley, Wolff at all, but I still think Gusmao warrants some action, although not anything big.
Wilson will be a better striker, but I think Larson is a solid underdog bet. I think that’ll change though, better get in on it soon. Barry makes me nervous a bit, his ground game isn’t great, but I think he can kick Hague into tomorrow.
If you are only parlaying those two, I’d add in some extra winners.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Leland
Thanks for making these. Just have a quick question:
The last few fights I’ve been to the lines moved a lot very close to fight time towards fan favorites. Machida’s line fell a lot against Silva (I heard Silva is more exciting as the reasoning from multiple fans) and GSP’s line dropped as well (with all the Penn money).
Do you not see this to be the case this time with Evans? I just think that he status as an undefeated champion that has the look and swagger of a what casual fans think of as a fighter as well as the “+” by his name is going to generate a ton of action in his favor two to three days before the fight.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Right now, if you go to BestFightOdds.com, it has arrows next to each line. Those are the movements. If you continually check it, you can get a feel for what happens. If one of these fights takes some huge hype next week, one of those lines could substantially change. Much like the fights you mentioned.
If you hover the green or red arrows, it’ll tell you where the line is heading. You can base some assumptions on that, i.e. fans are betting on a dog hard, or fans are generally betting on the favorite. Right now, Evans is still heading down into the underdog status even deeper. I imagine, as fight time gets closer, it’ll begin heading back toward even, hence why I think it’d be good to get in now, but you could wait a little while. Ya never know, a lot of fans believe Machia will stifle him with his style.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
I put 70 bucks on parlay of Hughes/sherk/machida/nover and it pays out 190.
I highly recommend it to anyone looking to X 2.75 their money.
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thinking on Nover
They always feed TUF guys an easy fight for their first one, and Dana is high on him, so I think that’s why people feel it’s a slam dunk. I have him in some parlays, but I agree that he’s an X factor due to his limited experience and is probably the most risky part of aaronb’s parlay.
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i can't understand the gumao line...
i would have had him at least 2-1 favorite (that might be due to the fact of K.S’s exposure in the IFL and TUF-of course he really got ‘exposed in the IFL’…
what am i missing?
good writeup again, Leland
there are some decent lines here. either that or it seems like a bunch of guys I’m rooting for are underdogs. :)
LR – you doing an article for MFC 21 by any chance?
by The Real T-Bone on May 11, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions
I could go over MFC 21, I’m down with requests.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool…looking forward to it.
There might not be any Pat Healy (twice) values but MFC usually has some good fights!
by The Real T-Bone on May 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Hughes ONLY -260??
I think the nicest bet here is Hughes at -260, should be more like -300 at least. I like Serra and I’d love to see him beat the ever pompous and arrogant Hughes, but I’m a realist here and I think there’s some pretty solid money to be made on Hughes -260. Machida at -220 is risky. Tito is an excellent wrestler and couldn’t get a hold of Lyoto but Rashad is at his peak and if he can get Lyoto down… I like the ’dog money on Rashad, should be closer to a pick ’em.
thanks Leland
i look forward to your further analysis as well, but i think this card has some opportunity to make some money (though i’m still upset Okami got hurt, i thought he was close to a lock). I still think Sherk is pretty close to a lock though and i am hoping you agree. Comparing Edgar-Maynard and Edgar-Sherk is what i am banking on. And i look forward to your further analysis
So based on these returns, you can’t bet on favorites individually, right? You’d have to parlay them? I know I sound like a noob, but when I used to bet football there were clear divisibles for each bet.
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I think betting on favorites you have to have a bankroll to support it. Speaking for myself since everyone does it differently, i thought it was worth betting on Anderson Silva at -550 because i thought he was a considerable lock. If you are not a high roller you can benefit off of parlaying a coupe of favorites to get some money off them, but i compare MMA betting more similar to betting on baseball than football with the lines you get.
So another question
When it says “Bet 1 Win .42” for instance, is the .42 on top of the 1? So I would receive 1.42 in return, essentially?
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Aha
Makes a lot more sense. Thanks..
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure you can bet favourites individually. I would actually advise you not to parlay a bet if you aren’t willing to take it individually. Suppose you have three bets you are looking to parlay, one of them a heavy favourite. For that favourite to play, you have to win the other two bets, so let’s assume that. Your heavy favourite is Silva v. Leites (1.05), and you have won two fights on the undercard at 2.0 and 2.0, giving you 4.0 units going into the final match. You are essentially betting 4 units on Silva v. Leites. If you weren’t willing to risk 1 unit to win .05, then you shouldn’t be willing to risk 4 units to win another .20.
One thing to worry about with parlays is that certain sportsboooks will penalize you for choosing over X number of bets and actually lower the payout on your bet.
Leland likes parlays because he can pick correctly more often than not. The higher percentage of fights you can pick correctly, the more sense it makes to parlay because it multiplies so you can make more money while wagering less. But if you can’t pick 3+ matches without a loss, parlays are not your friend.
I don’t know about Leland’s % against the lines, but honestly, the best bettors in the world aren’t picking much better than 60% (and to toot my own horn, I’m picking at 61.3% over 120+ fights). I don’t play parlays at all because like you said, if you’re willing to parlay it, you should be willing to play it individually.
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Fagan you magnificent bastard. Care to let us in on your picks for 98 so those of us planning on attending can tail your action?
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Great explantion for those new to parlays. I used Silva to get those extra units. It’s just a lot easier to include him in a parlay than use up all of that bank roll just to make a few extra bucks. I’ve become inclined to make larger wager on parlays than individual fights. As a result I only use fighters I am VERY confident about for 90% of my bank roll. In this case probably just Larson/Barry/sherk and then add a few more fighters added on to that for the remaining 10%. You obviously know what you’re doing. What is your betting stratedgy shaping up like?
I might go big on Rashad here, some seem to be recommending against it but I’m not particularly worried and the payout is hefty. Also like Xavier (kickboxer – mimiced Ando for Hendo) at positive odds – McFedries is a coin flip type of fighter who likes to bang and so it always ends early. I will likely parlay those two – given the above odds, you are already at or above 7x so a small bet could pay off very nicely on something that is somewhat likely. Anyone x either of these guys is solid really.
I agree with Roland generally – Roop, Nover, Barry all look good for the time being. I could see sneaking in on Serra now or later on too because he can definitely put Hughes down given the right circumstances. Or get smothered.
Sherk/Edgar gives me some trouble because I like Edgar but he has usually done best when he sets the pace and Sherk is one of the most aggressive fighters at controlling pace. Luckily, Edgar likes to fight quickly – for me the choice of taking Edgar would come down to his standup (as he is a solid wrestler), but I don’t have a good bead on it and Sherk can take a lickin’. I like your Sherk pick but beware as it will probably go to decision and you never know when or where Cecil Peoples will strike.
Really, I prefer not going for small parlays, three guys at -300 or worse won’t really get you much and MMA is often prone to upsets. You’d need to win Sherk (1.4), Hughes (1.25), Barry (1.25) to equal simply picking Larson (2.2). I think picking and choosing underdogs can be more fun and more profitable – it always seems like half of the fights are -300 or worse for the favourite. Really, I try to stay away from the undercard, betting on guys I haven’t seen before leads to trouble.
Love the Prof X and rashad mix! It will take you about 2 mins worth of viewing to see a distinct disparity in technichue , strength, and over all fight experience in Barry over Hague. I’m keepin the powder dry till Larson gets on the boards at bodog (hope I get there b4 you!). I’ve been watchin a lot of Bradley lately and I think he’s being undervalued given his competition. Bradley’s down 0-2 in the ufc but is he really outclassed by a guy just off of TUF? I dont think so. We all remember how often Nover he was on his back against Escudero.. The more I think about it I think there is some value in Serra. HUghes is obviously on the decline while Serra might still be plataued. I still think Serra will be on his back a lot so we’ll see what he can do there. Roop is going to have major physical advantage on Kap and the talent level seems about equal so I think that’s pretty attractive too.
careful with Edgar
I am by no means an expert with picking MMA, but i would be cautious putting too much on Edgar. I like Frankie as a fan, but i can’t but think back to the Edgar-Maynard fight as a blueprint for how Sherk wins this.
I’ve been accurately picking fights at above a 90% rate on the year, so I’m very good at making picks. I’m well aware of how parlays work, but I’m curious about the payouts and what is wisest. Then again, there’s no fun in making only 20 bucks. I can do that with my buddies watching the fight.
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Parlays are more fun, definitely. The payouts are really just a multiple of the odds you would get on a single bet.
Parlay 3 even fights (2.0) for $10, your payout will be $80 (10 × 2.0 × 2.0 x 2.0) – profit of $70.
Contrast this with:
3 even fights (2.0) for $3.33 each ($10 total) – payout of $20 – profit of $10 as compared with $70.
or
$70 of profit requires $70 of wagers as compared with $10 on a parlay.
Assuming you do pick correctly, you win more and put up less. Or put up the same and win MUCH MORE. But your odds of losing the parlay are the combined odds of any of your bets losing so you can walk away empty handed quite easily.
In Ontario, where I’m from, the gaming commission has a sports betting lottery game where they force you to parlay 3+ games. People complain about not winning, but that’s because of the nature of parlays. The problem is not particularly with it being hard to win (they just can’t pick), it’s just that even if you were on point it’s an uphill battle with such poor odds.
But as long as you like the payouts offered, there’s no reason not to parlay. Particularly since you are confident in your selections. Just remember that straight bets pay more consistently and you can’t win any money back once you’ve lost it all.
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For each of the staff pick articles, I post my picks in the comments.
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by Charles Awad on May 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see any.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on May 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
For which? May have not posted on the last UFC, but it should be on just about every other one (including other WEC and other promotions). I can find a few links, if you’d like.
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by Charles Awad on May 12, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, okay man..
UFC 92: 8-2
Affliction DoR: 9-2
UFC 95: 7-3
UFC 96: 7-3
UFN 18: 8-3
Yeah, I look full of shit to say 90+, but I lobbed that number (and clearly embelished). I’ve not done so well on a couple events (I remember 97 being particularly painful), but I’ve positively nailed a few as well (I’ve been lights out on WEC cards this year and picked Sandro and Galvao in their respective tournies. Can you place bets on Japan and WEC anywhere?) Meh…. In any case, given upsets and how well other people have done on these various cards, I’m often dangerously accurate. Thus, my desire to put down a few bucks instead of betting singles with drunk friends.
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by Charles Awad on May 12, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You can bet on Japanese cards and the WEC on mmaplayground, but I don’t know about real betting.
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by Rundownloser on May 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Razor thin decision. I, of course, thought Condit won. But it’s tough to pick a loser in a fight like that.
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by Charles Awad on May 12, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My picks have been well over 100% for the duration of the time that I have been making them.
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by MonkeyCHops on May 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Generally, I bet two parlays per event, but never over 3 matchups. 3 matchups is my general rule. I’ll only stray to 4 fights if I’m feeling lucky on dropping $20 on it. I generally only push parlays on cards with close lines in which I can confidently believe one of the fighters will win while everyone else scrambles to try to figure out who will win. This has been my method for quite awhile, and I do pick more parlays than not. I would say I’m at about 50% on parlays, which I think is a bit crazy in retrospect. I’d have to check my stats, but I’ve hit some HUGE parlays in the last year, so I’m way up.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
ditto
My standard parlay is 3 fights per event. I pick out the 3 I feel most confident in and:
400 dollars in bank
100 on fighter A
100 on fighter B
100 on Figher C
100 parlay on Figters A+B+C
Almost always 2 out of 3 will win in every event. So worst case is you break even, or take a small gain. Sometimes you hit all 3 and rake in the dough. Especially if you get an Ed Herman or Shane Carwin underdog in there like weve had in the last 2 UFC events.
Yushin Okami getting hurt caused me to run a 4 play parlay for UFC 98
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I normally mix. For example, I usually analyze each matchup, lump a parlay with sure wins (at least from my standpoint). The close ones in which I’m very unsure how it could go, I’ll single bet. Of course, I will then spread out single bets down the line, push 3-4 parlays. But this is very, very intensive betting. If you aren’t willing to lay that much down, go for a couple singles and a parlay.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Machida is worth betting on here. He’s an awful match-up for Rashad. Rashad will not be able to take him down and one-punch KO power won’t work against Machida – footwork and movement is way too good for him to get caught.
I probably shouldn’t say this because I’d like to add more if I can, but I have my 3rd biggest play of all time on Machida (biggest being Silva/Cote, 2nd and 4th biggest being Machida vs. T. Silva and Ortiz respectively). He’s a pretty big favorite in this fight, imo.
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Congrats on those bets.
Thiago was doomed to lose, especially since he announced he would play into Machida’s hand and then did which predictably failed miserably. Makes me wish I had bet on that fight.
I liked Thiago alot (despite his tendency to get stunned easily), but I lost alot of my consideration for him as a fighter when he came in and fought the way he did. I’m all for toughness, but I can’t back someone who fights stupid. I was waiting for him to pull the rabbit out of the hat then he gets KO’d at the horn.
First, when I saw the line I had a brain cramp and thought you would double your money for picking Rashad. I said – ok, good deal! Now that I’ve smartened up, this line is absolutely ridiculous.
+180 is 2.80x – you are getting the chance to nearly triple your money by betting on the undefeated champion!
Rashad is beatable, don’t get me wrong, but his defensive holes are not glaring like some of the previous champions which makes him a tough out. And his explosiveness keeps him live to win the fight even if Machida has won 4 rounds going into the 5th.
If there is any bet worth taking above, this is it. Even if you can’t see Machida losing, throw a couple of bones on this because the odds are absolutely ridiculous. Rashad was an underdog and paid about even vs. Forrest, but they are giving him almost Jardine v. Rampage or Mir v. Nogueira type odds in this fight.
I disagree, see above. Will elaborate more during my usual writeup before the event.
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Suppose we put Lyoto at -210 and Rashad at +170. Lyoto needs to win 68% of the time to break even while Rashad only needs to win 37% of the time.
I see this matchup as around 60% Rashad, so in my eyes it’s a great bet. But if you saw the fight as 75% Lyoto, then that’s also an attractive line. The one thing I will say is that there is a much greater margin for error in picking Rashad than there is with Machida.
If those odds trend as expected, Machida will have to be a very heavy favourite (in reality) to provide value. But if Rashad’s line keeps increasing, he will only need to win a very small fraction of their matches to provide value. Noone knows the real odds of this fight but it is quite the uphill climb for Machida to provide excess value as he is already considered to win 68% of the time.
Personally, I just cannot believe that the fight could ever approach 75/25 in Lyoto’s favor so I would still advise to stick with Rashad, even if you thought he was a dog.
I should state that I hit Machida hard at -160 closer to opening.
However, I’m curious as to why you see this fight as 60% Rashad when all of the early/sharp action is pouring in on Machida? There are times where it is appropriate to fade the market (ironically, previous Machida fights are a great example; action poured in against him numerous times), but I really don’t feel like this is a fight where going against the grain is a smart move.
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To kind of add to that point, even if you take the worst Evans line of +160 and you think he’s a 60% favorite, you should be betting between 18 and 35% of your bankroll according to the Kelly Criterion depending on your aversion to risk. That’s a monster bet.
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I’m seriously considering throwing down a big chunk on this fight.
I pay most of my attention to the main events so betting on a handful of fights per month doesn’t lend itself to much strategy. I should learn the concepts for bankroll management to at least be informed.
One thing I do know is that your bankroll needs to be bigger than you initially imagine.
I’ve been backing Rashad pretty hard in threads around here. The Machida fans can’t really point out anything I haven’t seen or considered previously. The biggest thing that worries me about him is actually the southpaw stance. My perception of the matchup has been steady all along without knowing the line until today. I’m not really jumping on the underdog here, I would have been taking Rashad slightly past even money and then left it alone beyond -130 or so.
Also, I don’t believe MMA is a sport where you need to follow the crowd because it is so unpredictable. MMA is very abrupt unlike basketball which is very repetitive and played more often so there is more likely to be a misconception by the bettors.
I do find it odd how much money is pouring in on Machida considering how he is less widely known and probably only slightly more liked – this isn’t a Lesnar-Couture situation. I try to understand the argument for Machida being a huge favourite, but it still doesn’t add up to him even being a favourite when I consider everything.
There’s little doubt in my mind that that the rest of the top 4 would have toyed with Machida’s opposition just the same and the current Rua as well. And you have to consider how Lyoto’s skills translate at a higher level – Mike Vick and Vince Young were garbage NFL QBs but college studs and the same is true in every sport – what is successful at the highest level is not necessarily the same style that works at the lower levels. I do think Machida is in the top 3, but Rashad is a far worse matchup for him than Rampage (should he simply box).
This match can’t happen soon enough. I could be flat out wrong and would still be happy to have seen it.
I’m curious, which of the 2 do you think is the better pure athlete? I think it’s Rashad. I got some action on Machida too but Rashad can take a damn good punch and is seriously explosive. I think in the end Machida will avoid any big shots but you never know. You’ve got a nice track record with Machida so i can see why you wanna stay on that ponie.
I don’t care about Machida’s 40 yard dash time – he’s fucking magical.
by Derek Suboticki on May 12, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Those last three lines are a bit nutty in my opinion.
I think Larson will outwrestle WIlson all night long and I don’t hold much hope for Wilson submitting him.
Soszyznski has Gusmao in all areas I believe, and I think Gusmao is fairly undersized.
And Pokam should havce enough tools to deal with the onesided McFedries.
If I were a betting person, or had the capacity to bet I’d be all over those like chips.

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