Women's Media Advocacy Group Demands Apology From Dana White Over Loretta Hunt Comments
by Luke Thomas on Apr 9, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
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Alex Marvez reportsThe Association for Women in Sports Media (AWSM) issued a press release Wednesday calling for the Ultimate Fighting Championship to "take action in regards to misogynistic comments" that White made in a video blog posted on the promotion's Web site. AWSM President Jenni Carlson said her group's request for an apology from UFC went unanswered.
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"This is disheartening because this behavior is unacceptable," Carlson wrote. "It establishes a hostile work environment not only for Loretta but all women who cover the UFC. We cannot accept that any female sports journalist would have to work in an environment of intimidation or a hostile workplace."
A UFC spokesman didn't immediately respond to an email seeking comment.
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White, though, never directly apologized to Hunt. He also told ESPN.com in a separate interview that he "absolutely, positively meant to attack (Hunt). Absolutely."
That was unacceptable to AWSM.
"It is a mystery to me that a man who is always seeking more coverage and exposure for his sport would disenfranchise some of the very people who are covering, sponsoring and watching his sport — women," wrote Carlson, who also cited Anheuser Busch and Harley Davidson as two of UFC's biggest sponsors.
Fairly or unfairly, the gender angle didn't get much traction in the initial dust-up after White's diatribe. I don't foresee any circumstance where White either feels compelled to apologize out of remorse or is forced to for pragmatic reasons. Zach Arnold also throws cold water on the idea of seeing any sort of apology from White on the grounds AWSM is looking for partly because their spokesperson brings her own issues to the table:
Unfortunately, the situation for AWSM is one in which the organization has the right message but the wrong messenger leading the charge.
Sports fans in Oklahoma and the Dallas/Fort Worth area have a pretty good idea who Jenni Carlson is (long-time columnist for The Oklahoman). However, Carlson became a national figure a couple of years ago when Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy exploded on her at a press conference (in his infamous "I"m a man! I’m 40!" post-game rant). Gundy’s tirade was about a column Carlson wrote in The Oklahoman newspaper on QB Bobby Reid (who lost his job to QB Zack Robinson). Carlson’s column caused such a ripple effect in the local Oklahoma sports scene that she got nuclear heat for what she wrote.
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Carlson’s column in question about Reid is here. In short, she came off as a female version of Jay Mariotti. If Mariotti went after Dana White on Around the Horn, the vast majority of sports fans would side with Dana White no matter what White did. That’s the position Carlson found herself in after this column — even if she was entirely accurate with what she wrote, she wrote it in such a manner that Gundy was automatically guaranteed super babyface heat from American sports fans. Jay Mariotti understands his schtick and his gimmick and has profitted handsomely from it. The difference between him and Jenni Carlson is that Mariotti is not the head of an advocacy group, while Carlson is.
Which brings us to Dana White’s rant on Loretta Hunt and the attitude towards women in MMA. Clearly there is a lot of sexism in the business. It’s wrong and it has no place in the industry. However, if Carlson’s media campaign continues to pick up steam against White, she may in fact end up hurting the cause more than helping it given her past incident with Reid & Gundy and the negative stigma she created for herself. The more people know who Jenni Carlson is and what she was written in the past, the more likely (in my opinion) Dana White is likely to gain babyface sympathy from American sports fans.
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Just goes to show that shit like this doesn't go away though...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
People rant and rave that we should just ignore this and it will go away and that just isn’t how the world works. Hell this story broke yesterday, I saw it in a link on the MSN homepage, it’s not going to go away. Regardless of what people around here think about it this doesn’t change the fact that when you do something that opens you up for criticism on this level then of course people are going to jump all over it. If you put yourself out there in the public eye then you better be aware of just what that means.
by who me on Apr 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also…if Zach could cut the pro wrestling terminology out of his writing it’d make me like him a lot more.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
Only if it really makes the crowd pop
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Men have to deal with his wrath
You want to be treated as equals? STFU and deal with it.
by banter on Apr 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Dana’s reaction had nothing to do with her gender. He would have acted the same way if the article was report was done by a male.
Ridiculous.
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by Brad Ackerson on Apr 9, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry...
but saying “you dumb fucking bitch” was absolutely a gender based comment. He would have been upset with a guy. But at the same time “you dumb fucking bitch” is WAY over the line when speaking “to” a female journalist
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Brent. The words and phrasing he used, coupled with who he said it to, makes a huge difference.
i disagree
I mean, it’s almost like if it was a guy… you’d call him a douche bag in that situation. You just swap those words because she’s a girl… it’s not an extra attack on her for being a girl. it’s like in spanish how they add gender to their adectives when describing a girl or guy. No big deal.
What he meant is irrelevant at this point, the issue is public perception of what he said. The price you pay for being famous is that you have to be careful with the things you say in public.
if he called a guy a 'bitch'
would that be especially offensive as it openly questioned the sexuality of the ‘bitch’ in question, thus necessitating a public apology?
im not impressed with your performance
The reality of the situation...
and the world we live in is that yeah…calling a guy a bitch is much different. It’s the same with cunt, twat…etc. When said to a guy they aren’t the same as to a female.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh... I guess I just disagree
I think your “not get slapped success rate” as well as your “Talk To me again Average” will always be much higher after calling a woman a ‘bitch’ than it would be if you called her a ‘cunt.’
Like, you don’t even say ‘cunt’ around women, whether its in reference to them or not.
Then again, I hang out with a bunch of prudes so what do i know.
im not impressed with your performance
Strangely enough...
it’s my wife’s favorite word.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that she likes to be called it...
but she likes to use the word
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is she British?
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
for some reason my computer is placing my responses away from where I respond
then it freezes up my browser. annoying
im not impressed with your performance
I say “cunt” to my wife all the time when we’re playing cards and her hand is better than mine. Our private smack talk is pretty nasty. But then again, like Brent said, we don’t do it in public…
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
your wife has an incredible potty mouth
according to this poll
http://www.badscience.net/2006/03/cunt-fuck-wanker/
but then again its bad science, right?
im not impressed with your performance
Wow
You have made my fanpost look really weak by doing this one Luke. I do like the photo I used a little better though…lol
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What happened to nothing else about this issue on Bloody Elbow? Is the media really obligated to publicize every single demand a “victim” group makes simply because they make it?
ugh..
come on man. We meant nothing more about the faggot/bitch story as it sat at that moment. This is a new development and honestly a kind of important one.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is, Dana’s reaction to Loretta isn’t sexist at all. If Gross wrote that article, he would have been just as angry, and called him just as many names.
Exactly. Have to know the person you are attacking. And this woman really didn’t do her research at all. Which makes her complaint completely unlegit.
I’m all for women’s rights. But if Dana White can call a guy names without anybody flinching, the same should be done when it happens to a woman.
And Dana White has a long history of video blogs of attacking guys.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Apr 9, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that there are no groups to defend guy’s rights. If there was, they could have the same demands and it would be the same thing.
the exact same names as well
just as important as as many names
im not impressed with your performance
The point, though, is that calling a female journalist (male dominated field) who covers MMA (male dominated field) a “dumb bitch” etc., is going after a person who is already in a disempowered position due to their gender and sex by referencing their gender and sex (and yes, bitch is a derogatory word for women, and calling a man a “bitch” is considered offensive because of the implication of feminine characteristics). You can’t just change the context and say “well, it wouldn’t have mattered if A and B were different”, because A and B are part of why it’s important at all. Of course Dana wasn’t angry BECAUSE it was a woman saying it, but his reaction conveyed sexism in that he referenced her femininity in a derogatory way. He can’t do that with Josh Gross; that’s part of how gender discrimination works.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not seeing whatever connection Arnold’s drawing between the Gundy incident (which I remember very well from blogging at the time) and this.
I assume..
he’s saying that her association with that story means people won’t take her seriously…or that she became a villain.
But the truth is…no one really remembers who wrote the story that set it off. They just remember “I’m a man, I’m forty!” which to this day is something I love to shout out even if I’m not forty.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Figure it out, guys
The takeaway from all of this is that if you are the public face of a company and refer to people as “faggots” and women as “bitches” the gay rights and women’s rights will come after your sponsors, in this case A-B and Harley Davidson.
Right or wrong, fair or unfair, that’s 2009. If you find a time machine, let me know. Otherwise, that’s the landscape.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 9, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
This is it right here.
If I’m remembering correctly while the whole Don Imus thing was happening he didn’t get canned till the sponsors from the show started pulling out. Sponsors don’t hang around long when confronted with political correctness drama.
Dana should just apologize to the women’s group and move on from this for the sponsors sake.
Enough already
This horse is beyond dead. It died, was reanimated, then killed again. All those advocacy groups should relax a bit. You know what they need? A bong load.
Yeah! Ignore it! It'll just go away!
Don’t examine it as a possible learning experience for the sport! Nothing should ever change! Our behavior should always remain the same regardless of level of growth or attention!
Smoke weed!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
INGO B is right. Bloody Elbow guys just like to hate most things UFC. It’s a wonder they even watch the sport. Why follow something so closely that you just hate on most of the time. Makes no sense.
And yes, there is a difference between reporting news…. which something like MMA Junkie does (most of the time, when WAMMA isn’t the topic), and just much racking for topics. This is an example of the later.
Some things aren’t that big of issues. This is one of them. It’s not a learning experience. It’s just a woman’s group looking for attention on an issue that has really already expired.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Apr 9, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That is stupid...
we’re not anti-UFC. As a matter of fact I can link a LOT of stories where we talk about how great the promotion is. But we’re not going to give every story a positive spin just because it IS the UFC.
Look…if you don’t like how we cover things…it might make sense to stop coming here.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t you guys just get accused of being UFC shills like last week on another blog?
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
...yes
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not
But this is getting a little silly. It was a crappy article.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 10, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Sooo
you’re hoping to be brought on to staff but you’re hainging out in the comments saying that the editor in chief of the site’s article is crappy?
…interesting
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 10, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn!
there goes my chance to give subo some grief.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 10, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Do what I do and just open that gif at various points throughout the day. (jk, subo)
by Chris Nelson on Apr 10, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I meant Loretta’s. Follow Nelson’s advice – don’t bother trying to debate me, just mock me with gifs and pics.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 10, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You know something, AJB. You have to fit neatly into one group or the other, because we certainly have a secret agenda that either is to take the UFC down or enable Dana White to rule the world. Those are the only two logical options.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 9, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he can take it down, then subsequently rule it?
John Connor style
im not impressed with your performance
Aw yeah, man! Nice!
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never fit neatly into a group in my life. I think I’m screwed because I now have no idea what to accuse the BE staff of doing for nefarious ends. Shit.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think you guys are anti-UFC
but I do think you guys are very PC.
I dont care for it, but its a private blog run by private people, and other than that you guys provide a badass service, so I take the good with the bad
im not impressed with your performance
I’m not PC or cool or smart, so there.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually not PC at all...
is the funny thing. I just care deeply about the advancement of our sport and think that a behavioral adjustment is needed when dealing with what the sport is putting out in public.
In private I don’t give two shits and a fuck what someone says. it’s when they carry it into the public arena in a way that could set the sport back that it gets my attention.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
BloodyElbow guys hate most things UFC!!!
Let’s put this one in the time capsule. It’s like calling Sean Hannity a liberal.
haha...
Yeah. you know us. All anti-UFC, all the time!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nightcrew, your t-shirt slogan has been found.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Brookhouse, as someone who lives on the west coast, I assure you that an equal percentage of engaged and motivated people, and people with their heads in the sand, smoke weed.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
furthermore wanda, i wouldnt be the least bit surprised to learn that they were habitual marijuana smokers
im not impressed with your performance
What’s this reference? I feel that I should know it.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i smoke to joints in the morning
i smoke two joints at night
i smoke two joins i nth e afternoon
cus it makes me feel alirhgt
i smoke two joints in atime of peace
two more a time of war
i smoke two joints before i smoke two joints
and then i smoke two more
im not impressed with your performance
Sublime. Right. Thanks.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
haha...
I have no pro or anti weed stance. I just always think it’s funny when that’s the go to for “chill out”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t ignored. It was relentlessly picked apart for a week and completely played out. Now a week after it died out some other group decided it is time to be offended and you’re playing right into their hands and giving them the publicity they want.
Six months from now some dog owners advocacy group will get mad Dana insulted female dogs with the word “bitch” and demand an apology and the story will be right back up atop Bloody Elbow.
You know what that is just the way it works. If he didn’t want months or even years of being hassled in public for the things you say then perhaps he should of been more careful with the things he says. The media loves this stuff like a dog with a rawhide bone, just because we are talked out doesn’t mean that they have even got rolling yet. Dana White is a public figure and from now on out every little thing that comes out of his mouth with be under the microscope, welcome to the mainstream MMA.
I truly truly wish he could say fuck it and not change a thing, I am getting sick and tired of the overly PC ways society is going down.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
It’s the job of these advocacy groups to go after things like this. Should they relax a bit? I guess so. Sometimes they do things that I think is a bit much, cause sometimes a joke is just a joke, you know? But Dana’s comments were malicious, and specifically done to debase Lorette via her gender. There really is no other way to read “you dumb fucking bitch.” I don’t think they’re overreacting here.
No prob...
i know it was a joke…that’s why I didn’t warn you or anything. I just didn’t want it out there due to a past thing that happened on the site.
No worries
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say this...
I think this group obviously jumped on something that they saw get an apology for another group and think that they can get an “easy win” here.
By covering this we’re not saying “they should get an apology” we’re simply saying “here is a new aspect to the story”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
I agree with this too. I wish that the angle had gotten covered earlier, along with the rest of the issue, so it didn’t seem like an opportunistic add on. That just detracts from the actual points.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not a PC matter at all.
When has it ever been alright or acceptable to call a woman a dumb fucking bitch in a business setting? That is essentially the context of Dana’s blog. He was responding to comments about the UFC by a “reporter”. There was some serious defiency in Dana’s upbringing if he feels this is acceptable behavior.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
When has it ever been alright or acceptable to call a woman a dumb fucking bitch in a business setting?
Any GE Boardroom prior to about 1995. But in public? Not for a looooong time.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And I should add… “alright” only by the standards of a pretty odd demographic.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“There was some serious defiency in Dana’s upbringing if he feels this is acceptable behavior.”
Are you Jesus? Please, oh perfect one, please explain how he should have been raised. Dana was raised so horribly that he became a highly motivated successful business man. I guarantee he has achieved more and helped more people make a living than you or I have. Only in America could you work your ass off to make a living only to have a watchdog group try to ruin you because of a few indirect words and have people think it is okay.
If Dana White ever wants to exchange all his wealth and fame and power for the ability to call people names in public without repercussion he can give me a call. I would be more than happy to change places with him, he can worry about bill collectors and call people whatever he wants and I will live in a mansion and watch what I say in public. Lets face facts if you don’t want to deal with public scrutiny over what you say or do then you shouldn’t put yourself out there to start with. Like it or not we all know how the mainstream media works, it’s the price you pay for getting to be rich or powerful or famous.
Maybe raised to not call a woman
a dumb fucking bitch in public. That would be a start. What do his achievements have to do with this? Does a person earn the right to say whatever they want whenever they want in your opinion? Have I achieved to call you a jackass?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And really guys...
we don’t have to turn this into another fight over the same old shit. The story is what it is.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
Right,
I wrote about this part was going to come up again when we were talking about the faggot comment. It was stupid for him to say & even more stupid that no one at the company was reviewing these.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I am trying so very hard to follow my sig line.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
As am I, in vain!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It's strange...
… and even troubling that we’re even arguing about this. Seriously, whatever happened to having empathy? Imagine if Dana had called your wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter/mother a “dumb fucking bitch.” I’m sure the reaction would be quite different.
Depends on if she wrote that article!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Indeed.
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I’m from oklahoma and jenny carlson is moron, I"m tired of this whole thing anyway. It wasn’t an attack on all women or all gay people for that matter, it was directed at two people, I could see someone demanding an apology if Dana had said all women are bitches are something like that but this, damn most of this country is just too damn sensative
pitbull17
Next week it will be the advocacy group for the proper treatment of white males that comes out and deplores him to end the verbal abuse towards people on the TuF show.
Oh wait, there’s no money made lobbying such things :(
"advocacy group for the proper treatment of white males"
that group being formed would start up all kinds of other anti groups
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Oh snap.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, meant to be at pud333.
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by AJB on Apr 9, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi, my name is Troy P Whinalot
Im here on behalf of the National Federation of Reality Contestants Who Do Not Want to be a Fuckin Fighter…
im not impressed with your performance
What every happened to, “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.”
Don’t get me wrong, Dana fucked up by calling someone a bundle of sticks. But freaking out over female dog? In 2009? Really?
I understand that words can be powerful, and I wouldn’t be ok with someone dropping an N-bomb. But people have to realize that the power of certain words changes over time. 20 years ago there would have been no problem with Dana calling someone a bundle of sticks, but over the last 20 years the effect of that word has changed, and now it’s a major no-no.
The exact opposite has happened with the word bitch. It’s so commonplace now, that calling someone a bitch (male? female? neither? both?) shouldn’t be anything to write home about, or give a second thought.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
or rather on it's impact in the current world...
the behavior is the issue. not the words themselves.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep hearing the “in 2009?” but I don’t see how that makes much sense, in 1909 probably happened a lot, in 1979 it probably would of been funny but things have changes a lot since then and they are going the opposite direction that people seem to think they are. Now there is more media scrutiny than ever before and more groups out there “fighting for their rights”. Even if we all think this is overblown it doesn’t mean that is how things work.
one thing
I do think, in fairness to Loretta, she has not complained about Dana or publicly claimed to be a victim. Which, to me, only makes it worse that this advocacy group no one ever heard of before yesterday is trying to use her to drum up publicity for themselves.
by andherewego on Apr 9, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would agree with that
I don’t think Dana owes an apology to all women for this. If Loretta aksed for one I’d say she deserves it but she hasn’t so…yeah
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 9, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
She has not publicly asked for an apology,
but do we think that she or someone with her passed this on to get it picked up?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Oh God!!!
WTF, yes he called her a bitch, but she was attacking his compony. IMO he should not of used such language, but you could tell that he was mad and pissed and sometimes when your pissed you really dont contral what you say.
Is it against the law to call a women a bitch, if so then me and just about any other man would be breaking the law. Last I checked, women wanted equal rights and just because he called Hunt a bitch (witch i still think was a good and mature thing to say) dosnt meen that he thinks every other women is a bitch.
Also, Loretta is a big girl, she can take care of her self.
Is the same girl that wrote the terrible OK State article?
Oh, that’s just too rich.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 10, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
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