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Mixed Martial Arts Has Jumped the Shark Watch: Easter Edition

You ready to go to Heaven? You ready to go to Hell? Let's get it on:

As Easter is approaching, one pastor is preaching that Jesus is entering “the Octagon,” or the fighting venue for mixed martial artists in the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Spirit of St. Louis Church in Arnold, Mo., and its pastor, Tom Skiles, are branding this Sunday’s message as “Easter in the Octagon: The Ultimate Fighter.” The flier posted throughout the church and other areas notes that for so long Christians have been told they should be “nice guys” when in reality they should be ultimate fighters.

For children, there will be an “Easter Smack Down” with an inflatable boxing ring.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Incredible… I wonder what the community reaction is. It’d be interesting to see how much outrage comes out of that.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 7, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simply awesome.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Isn’t turning the other cheek kind of Machida’s style?

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Zuffa sues.

by FRANKIE on Apr 7, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Choi'd

more awesomeness!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Waiting for it to be deleted.

by mythbuster on Apr 7, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

fan-effing-tastic

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by funnytiger on Apr 7, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Choi!

Had to be made green!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And remember kids...

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If it only took me three days to shake off a busted elbow from an armbar, I wouldn’t tap either. As it is, I’m okay with tapping.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to tap when your hands are nailed to wood

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

came for the “jesus didn’t tap” graphic. thanks, BJJDenver.

by bobthewriter on Apr 7, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

There is actually a fight team here in Colorado, that is formed by guys sharing their faith. I believe it called Team Prophecy and I think the guy who runs it is a minister or something.

I’m not religious myself, but I always found that mix to be pretty interesting.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

The team is run by none other than Ron “H2O Man” Waterman, great guys and great fighters.

by Gunslinger20 on Apr 7, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with forming a group around shared points of belief. But the original news piece strikes me as slightly… odd.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I fought one of their guys in my very first match (sub grappling) a couple years ago, Chris Holland. Great guy and now a pretty decent, developing mma fighter.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you gotta defend your boys, big man, but this is fucking crazy – it’s not Jesus Camp ‘we need suicide bombers too!’ crazy, but still, fucking crazy.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad I’m Jewish!

=P

by JAYGK95 on Apr 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously though, religion in it’s purest form is a thing of beauty. It’s when man gets involved that results in posters like those above.

“Oh hey honey, what’d you do today?”

“I practiced my GnP for Jesus”

“WTF?”

by JAYGK95 on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have to agree with a lot of that.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remind me

“It’s when man gets involved that results in posters like those above.”
 How do we have religion without man?

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Apr 7, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great question.

When man interferes with the ‘message’ as illustrated by the post below written by pud333, that’s when the ‘message’ gets distorted.

by JAYGK95 on Apr 7, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what if you’re of the opinion that ‘man’ came up with the ‘message’ in the first place?

by -Sam on Apr 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jumpball!

Heck, ,I don’t know. I’m not a Rabbi, this is just my quick two cents.

by JAYGK95 on Apr 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, seeing as how man created religion, that would be kind of tough.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So good.

If it weren’t true, you’d have to invent it.

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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t South Park already do this? Didn’t turn out too well.

by Beau Dure on Apr 7, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I suspect it’s an attempt at drawing some attention to the church, perhaps getting people to listen. There’s a church in Vancouver where the Pastor has a new sermon each week that involves taking the latest blockbuster movie and drawing life lessons from it. Last month they were using Oscar nominated movies like the Dark Knight and Milk. Anything to get the kids in the door, I suppose, considering so many “polls” lately showing people losing their faith or acknowledging they don’t have one.

by pud333 on Apr 7, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Reminds me of that “Haunted House” that was staged a few years back.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea it’s just a way to try and get people in the door. Organized Religion is as much about appealing to an audience as it is about the message they are supposed to be delivering.

by who me on Apr 7, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

this thing sounds pretty awesome.

in regards to the “jesus didn’t tap” brand, i find it a little odd when a fighter has it on his shorts next to condomdepot.com.

by dr. ransom on Apr 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

If someone can explain to me why this is so ridiculous?

I think the guy is a little out there, but better this than WBC.

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Religion generally is not rational. The idea that an all knowing all powerful being controls every aspect of our lives is more ridiculous than Pastor Tom’s publicity stunt.

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

God god. Who made god god?

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 7, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even know who they are.

by mythbuster on Apr 7, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

theyre prominent atheist writers

certainly worth reading but sometimes they divert attention away from tough questions by making fun.

i dont think your avoiding anything, but the making fun thing caught my eye.

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t think asking who made god was making fun. Oh well.

by mythbuster on Apr 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact...

I even defending Christianity in a post that got deleted. I guess pointing out that Jesus was a pacifist, and many modern “Christians” twist his words, is taboo. Considering other people have said the same thing, I can’t pretend to understand the rules.

by mythbuster on Apr 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was the alien thing bro

i really dont care

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually can’t stand either of them (but especially Dawkins) because of the arrogance of their work. Never mind the tone: they act like this whole conversation didn’t happen 20 years ago around Hawking’s work. I also hate the whole “we’ve figured out how the laws of the world work to SUCH a degree that we’ve made divinity irrelevant!” argument, because it misses the point. The damn thing is, they have INTERESTING things to say, and should be a valuable contribution to the discussion, but they’re so damn off-putting that they do more harm than good.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah we're on the same page here

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be a first! Sweet!

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought The God Delusion was awesome – and when someone asks ‘what if you’re wrong?’, there are few other avenues to proceed down other than ridicule.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you liked the God Delusion, you may want to check out Atheism: The Case Against God by George H. Smith. It’s more philosophy-based than the biology-based arguments by Dawkins.

by Magman on Apr 7, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man

Am I glad you brought that book up. I read it when I was 15 – right after Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich – that shit formed me. Smith was relentless.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I re-read Rise and Fall in the months running up to each of my degrees. I’m currently on the third reading and I’m just ahead of the outbreak of the war. Always a good read.

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by AJB on Apr 8, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Was it you or somebody else here that recommended the Matt Taibbi essay?

by FRANKIE on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was me – I love that essay.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t read it until I saw your post. I always did like Taibbi, though. And I loved that essay, particularly the thesis.

by FRANKIE on Apr 8, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evolutionary theorists/biologists who are very certain that their theories disprove the existence of (G/g)od.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

dawkins is a brilliant biologist

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt at all. He just rubs me the wrong way as a person.

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by AJB on Apr 7, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i totally agree

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dawkins calls himself agnostic about God ‘to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of my garden’ – ie, I CANNOT disprove them, but the totality of the evidence speaks for itself.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s exactly how I describe myself.

It’s good to know I don’t disagree with you about everything.

by FRANKIE on Apr 7, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The flying spaghetti monster. ’nuff said.

by pud333 on Apr 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

did all of our posts get deleted?

I cant see any of them. Also strange is only the theistic posts got deleted. Maybe my browser is messing up.

Anyways your beer deal works for me. ANd if i die and turn in to worm food, I’ll let you visit my friend lake house in orlando.

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed buddy. What if neither of us are right?

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gah I quit. I have to go to class at some point. Thanks for the internet discussion about a serious topic that didn’t dissolve into a screaming match.

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

im still kind of pissed off it got deleted

if two people can intelligently discuss a topic, why shouldn’t people be allowed to see it?

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be nice if there was a forum at BE where members could discuss politics, religion, and other topics non-related to MMA without getting our posts deleted.

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 7, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose you think we crawled out of the ocean? Yeah, that makes alot of sense.

by Josh H. on Apr 7, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right – Eve coming from Adam’s rib = infinitely more credible

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be fair, I think just about anything is better than the WBC.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

true that

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 7, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is ridiculous is that the guy is spreading his own message instead of the Christian message. This isn’t spreading the word this is spreading his own interpretation and message under the guise of teaching the religion’s message (which seems to be a very prevailent problem in modern religions). It seems Christians have got very adept at twisting what is in the Bible to justify what they want to believe but that just isn’t how it works.

by who me on Apr 7, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy, i can’t speak for everyone, but I think this guy is pushing the envelope here. In my instance, I don’t have any problem with what he is doing, I’m just waiting for the “public outrage” over it, lol!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess...

Dana White – God
Chuck Liddell – Jesus
Royce Gracie – Adam
Gina Carano – Eve
WAMMA – Satan

Did I miss anyone?

by ufc4 on Apr 7, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito – Judas
Rampage – Longinus

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Machida – Holy Ghost

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yushin Okami – Job

by FRANKIE on Apr 7, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Part:

“Honestly, I pick on other denominations a lot. Here’s what I tell ‘em: I come out of a denomination, too. But on any Sunday morning I’ll pick on everybody from Catholics to the Amish. We don’t hold no bars.”

by Phantom Of Krankor on Apr 7, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that his interpretation of the phrase “no holds barred?”

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe so, yes.

I wonder if they also don’t bar no holds.

by Phantom Of Krankor on Apr 7, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Bachelor of Theology working on my Master’s, I have to commend the pastor on bringing up a often-neglected part of Christianity – but he might get more feedback than he was banking on. Hope his Theological Guard is up to naught.

On the other hand – I have a hard time trying not to laugh.

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Apr 7, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Since no one else said it...

“God…God Bless You” – Brock Lesnar

by Magman on Apr 7, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard WAMMA will be crowning a FW champ at this event.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 7, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Well…hmm.

I can’t really pass judgement on this or even give a thought about it unless I hear/see what goes down that day. There could be a real message in there, or it could be a church gimmick. I myself am a non-denominational christian, but I firmly believe churches need to ditch the entertainment for the word of God.

If I was a non-believer and heard about this, that would just reinforce my thoughts that the church is a joke, and desperate for members. Not trying to get all religious, but thats just the way the cookie crumbles for me.

Although, I do agree with this pastor on the thought that Jesus wasn’t some pushover…the man walked into a church and flipped over the tables of the money tellers and gave them the boot…I have a feeling that he didn’t flip over the table gently, and said God Bless afterwards. haha

Interesting article though…

by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 7, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, done here. Thanks Subo.

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by AJB on Apr 8, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mofo.

That was so good, I’m jealous I didn’t think of it first.

by pud333 on Apr 8, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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