Mixed Martial Artwork: Forrest Griffin
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
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This featured piece is entitled, "Forrest Griffin", made by darkdux.
This is one of my favorite MMA pieces out there.. It is another digital painting and i really like how darkdux made it look more like a traditional art piece with the colors, the brush strokes, and the lines for the details..
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That’s a good one. He nailed the patented Griffin smirk.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
yeah.. he's pretty good..
follow the links.. the bigger version looks better.. This guy is very talented and he deserves the views and exposure. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, they're definitely not nailed down
They’re Forrest’s ears, after all.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Neat pic, the texture is really nice and thick, like gouache.
Here is my only MMA-related “digital art” piece, or whatever you want to call it. I made it a couple years ago. I wish I had worked more on it so it looked more finished, because now my cheapo tablet doesn’t seem to work, and doing this stuff with a mouse is sub-human :-(
by smoogy on Apr 7, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
it looks good too smoogy..
I like the details on BJ.. and yeah, a little more detail on Matt(?) and it would’ve looked awesome..
i dont know how to do digital paintings and i wouldn’t dare attempt painting using my mouse haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You can scan the pencils/lineart and then paint it on photoshop/painter using your mouse. But of course a tablet makes things a lot smoother. You learn to paint digitally a lot quicker if you already know how to paint using traditional tools (watercolor, acrylic, oil etc.). The most important thing is having a solid grasp of the fundamentals of anatomy, lighting, color theory, establishing focal points, etc. Transferring ones artistic skills onto a digital program would be a lot easier if you already have a solid skill set and foundation on traditional art. Anybody can be a photoshop whiz but that doesn’t mean that anybody can produce great art. I’m rambling now. LOL
Dude, seriously look into investing in a tablet. I’ve heard good things about the Wacom Bamboo but if you have the cash buy an Intuos. I bought a Wacom Graphire 4 years ago and it still works perfectly well.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
what i do usually is draw something, scan it. Change out the color of the line, (black makes it less colorful), Print it out, then color it manually.
Although those stuff that i regularly draw aren’t mma related.. haha.
I usually use photoshop for manipulations only, and traditional art for drawings.. i want to learn new stuff and im really thinking about investing on a really good tablet, probably the next time i go to the US. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I had one of those years ago from ebay for $10. It was so bad that I had better results using my mouse.
My advice; get a good one.
WACOM
I use WACOM tablets. My most recent purchase came at a nearly 50% discount because the model was being replaced. Never even heard of Jam.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Other than the tethered stylus, it was actually pretty reliable for a while, and had good pressure sensitivity. Obviously Wacom is the way to go though, they’re the top brand. I might try to snag one eventually, going after discontinued models sounds like a good idea.
Tethered stylus?
Haha.. Didn’t notice it until you said it. Seriously, once you get a WACOM, you’ll be thrilled that you did. They’re great to work with.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
You already have the hard part down pat – your drawings. Just scan them and play with them in Photoshop, you’d be surprised with the results you can achieve.
yep, ive been planning to do that since i regularly scan the drawings i do before coloring them in..
i found it really hard to make good pieces by coloring with my lame optical mouse, so i’ll wait till i get a tablet then i’d start trying it out. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
WeoWeoWeo.....
Would you mind making a BE Magazine Cover and Adding to my Magazine Post?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Apr 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually..
I am gathering articles from the site and making a mock type magazine and am gonna show it to Ronnie Gilley (look him up) and see what he thinks. People might call me Crazy but idc….
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Apr 7, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Have you discussed this with the BE staff at all?
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
^this
I dnt want to get in trouble for helping make stuff that they don’t approve off..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
NOPE..
Didnt think about that. well can you help me make a cover with a differnt title nothing to do with BE. if i give you the topics that i would like on the cover?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice one smoogy
I’ve seen some of those fighter sprites that you’ve done and those are seriously SWEET. Please post some of them here! :)
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
Very cool.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 7, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Serene Brutality
The aesthetic beauty of the simple composition and serene, muted blue of the floor betray the hideousness of what the guys are actually doing to eachother. I’m not sure you were going for that sort of irony but regardless, I think it goes byond a fan piece into the actual “art” realm. You should do a series called “serene bruatality” and show it at a gallery. Seriously.
by casey manrique on Apr 7, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey weoweoweo
Do any of these artists sell their stuff? I really like the Rampage piece and would love to have it hanging in my office.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
exactly what i was thinking
I would love to own a print of this piece… its really, really effin awesome
I'm the kind of girl who loves to watch a GOOD fight!
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I'll contact the artist and ask if he would like to sell prints of this.. :)
Follow the links to their deviantart page, and if they’re selling, there’s gonna be something written like “print available”.. That link would then show details on how to buy it.. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Originals are likely to be quite expensive
And any sort of multiple prints of an individual require rights to the usage of their likeness.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Wonder what the licencing charge would be from UFC?
Also a lot of these pics are simply fan art done at a low resolution simply for the artists enjoyment rather than any commercial focus. To get them to a level viable for print would mean redoing some of them from scratch.
Doubt it
Any artist with the level of ability of that above would have saved his artwork as a vector file. He could make that image the size of your house without losing image integrity.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
plus it doesn't have to be an entirely huge print of it..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we're discussing different points
That was in reference to the original art file, but it’s a moot point. You can’t print and sell copies of artwork of an individual’s likeness. I mean, maybe they do. I’m just saying that it’s illegal. If it wasn’t, I’d do more stuff like the above and print copies for commercial use. But I can’t.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
I dont think it is illegal actually.. I can paint the face of obama and sell it right? as long as its your work and you didn't just copy it from somewhere..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me
It’s illegal. I’ve worked in sports memorabilia and creative services for many years. Obama doesn’t profit from the use of his own image. He profits from other people using his image, because he’s a political figure.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
its illegal even if it’s a painting? really? cause if its just a photomanip of the figure sure, you can’t sell it.. but i think deviantart has prints of famous people being sold..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Marilyn Monroe's next of kin isn't going to sue some kid in Biloxi, Miss at Deviant Art
But if you, for instance, paint Adrian Peterson and then sell the prints; you’re probably going to get sued. It’s the use of private likeness for personal profitability. You can sell originals until you’re blue in the face, and can probably get away with short prints on images like the one above (maybe like 20 before someone notices). Isn’t there a terms of usage at Deviant Art? If you can sell prints, I’m sure there’s a user agreement that prohibits the sale of such materials.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
well im not really familiar with the legal terms much..
here’s the print agreement and the submission policy.. i read it but, I dont know which of these state that you cant sell a painting of someone famous..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's talking about a painting?
Paintings have paint on them. I already told you that you can sell paintings.
I’m certainly not going to read the user agreement myself. I don’t use Deviant Art. But I know the law. Do with it what you will..
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
okay dude relax. :)
(and i was talking about painting meaning a work that isn’t a photograph of that person.. but you seem pretty sure so okay.)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m chill boss man. Might have to change my sig to a disclaimer.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.. oh yeah, i forgot..
lots of people think youre pissed even when youre not.. emotion is a hard thing to see in print haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Particularly
If you’re selling it as a picture of Forrest Griffin. If it was an ambiguous image of a “fighter” who just so happens to look a bit like Griffin, you might be able to get away with it without garnering any considerable attention. But since it is clear (and the above image is merely a for-instance) that the image is of Forrest, you can only profit from the original as artwork. You could certainly sell them for as long as you want until you receive a cease and desist letter, but in ceasing, you would also be asked to turn over any profits.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
No
They’re brush techniques. That’s done on a tablet in AI.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take your word for it. It sure looks more PSD than AI to me. Then again, been years since I spent a lot of time in AI.
That might explain it
AI has grown by leaps and bounds since the CS series began.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the rampage one was hand drawn then scanned i think..
he said he used ink and he filed it under traditional art, not digital art..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not talking about the Rampage one
This Forrest one.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 7, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it
I’ve done digital paintings before and hang-out in digital art message boards and I’m pretty sure this was done in PS with a standard hard brush.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
And looking at the artist other works
It looks like this was more of a quick paint, doing this in AI I imagine would take a lot longer.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
Do you own a stylus?
I have the very brushes that he used to create the image. Trust me… It’s AI, no doubt about it.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
If you’re using brush techniques to create imagery in PS, you’re sort of behind the curve. You can vector out all of your art if using imported brushes in AI. And frankly, there’s no good reason not to do that.
Also, weo already confirmed that he used AI.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This isnt Weo’s. None of these he has featured are. Each post has been about a different artist he has found and featured their work.
Let's be serious
He verified the information. I never said it was his.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
I see where the confusion stems from
He=the artist.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Yes I do
I’ve done this kind of work, it sure looks like PS to me. Most digital painters/colorists I know work exclusively with PS. Did weo confirm it to you that it was done in AI? I don’t see where he mentioned it. You have options in Deviantart where you can categorize your art. He would have categorized this as vector if it was.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
Sigh...
Ok boss. Keep using PS to do brush techniques. No use for all those pesky vectors and editable anchor points…
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
If you ask any top digital painters or colorists out there I’m sure they’re going to tell you that either use PS or Painter for they’re works. Probably because you get more of a painterly feel with those software. It’s pretty much straightforward painting with the brush tool. :)
Here’s a quick coloring that I did using similar techniques.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
No offense
I’m saying, if that’s what you use, enjoy. I own and am the creative director of a creative services company in Minneapolis and have created and sold digital art and apparel since I was a teenager. Colorizing (which I often use PS for) and creating a digital painting (AI) aren’t the same thing. I would never use anything other than AI for a digital painting. Even in some circumstances such as that above, I would trace out all of the line work into vectors and use a tablet and pen with imported brushes. It is far more practical for a myriad of reasons. The only reason I would imagine using PS to scratch paint is if my hardware were somehow severely lacking. Shit, even then, I would just as soon go to Best Buy and pick up a block of RAM. Not saying artists don’t do what you do, but it’s less practical. You must save images like that at 320+ dpi? Those images are likely to reach 7-10MB. Same image in AI— you’re looking at 200KB. Vectors are your friend.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Hope you don't mind but I'm curious
My knowledge of AI is limited and I have not upgraded in years (still using CS). How would someone go about doing a digital painting like this in AI? http://fc17.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/054/5/d/Oldmen_and_sea_by_Waldemar_Kazak.jpg
I’m way out of the loop on what the new versions of AI can achieve. A brief explanation would suffice or maybe you can point me to a good tutorial. Thanks!
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
If you want to hit me up on the email on my profile, I’ll link you up to some free brush pallettes. I’m not aware of any online tutorials. When I get a new brush set, I play around with it for an hour or so to learn its directional and effect properties. If you use brushes in PS and remember at all how to use anchor points and expanding appearances of objects, you should be able to feel your way around. Like I said, shoot me an email..
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Charles Awad on Apr 8, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome man!
I really appreciate it.
"Because I rode in here on my fucking Thunderhorse and handled business."
My only problem with this is that Forrest is not cut up enough, he starts bleeding when someone looks at him funny =)
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Not only that, he COMES IN to every fight a little fucked up, with a black eye or something. He’s nuts.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 7, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo..
u gotta email i can get.. i gotta great idea that involves one of your drawings.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Apr 7, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest has such a perfect head for a caricature
Sometimes you just have to get off your ass and do it yourself...FighterUniversity.com
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