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Debunking Bob Reilly

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Bob Reilly released a document to be served to New York legislators making his argument against the legalization of mixed martial arts in that state.  I debunk most of it at Sack Mike Goldberg.

Most frustratingly, Reilly cherry picks information useful to him while leaving out other relevant facts.  Most egregious is his use of a paper by Gregory Bledsoe of Johns Hopkins University.  From SMG.

Various studies have concluded that ultimate fighting is more dangerous than boxing.  The most referenced study, Incident of Injury in Professional Mixed Martial Arts Competitions [sic], by Gregory H. Bledsoe, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, identifies the high levels of injuries in both boxing and ultimate fighting with a higher level in ultimate fighting.  Of the 171 ultimate fighting matches examined, 40.3% ended with at least one injured fighter not including knockout victims.  The study is based on examination of the fighters after the fights and made no attempt to ascertain long term injury such as concussion and brain injury to knockout victims which are perhaps the most serious of all injuries.  In other words, the danger to ultimate fighters is even greater than the study indicates.

I went ahead and did some fact checking.  Here’s a snippet from Bledsoe’s piece:

Of the 171 matches fought, 69 (40.3%) ended with at least one injured fighter.  The overall injury rate was 28.6 injuries per 100 fight participations, 12.5 injuries per 100 competitor rounds, or 3.08 injuries per 100 fight minutes.  The majority of recorded injuries were injuries to the facial region with facial lacerations being the most common.  Hand injuries were the second most common injury, accounting for 13.5% of all injuries, followed by injuries to the nose (10.4%) and eye (8.3%).

Emphasis mine.

More quotes from the study:

Though initially promoted as brutal, no-holds-barred contests, Mixed Martial Arts competitions in the United States have changed dramatically and now have improved regulations to minimize injury.

MMA events should be differentiated from the infamous “Toughman” competitions held around the country.

With an overall injury rate of 28.6 injuries per 100 fight participations, MMA competitions demonstrate a high rate of overall injury, but a rate in keeping with other combat sports involving striking.

With MMA competitions, the opportunity to attack the extremities with arm bars and leg locks and the possibility of extended periods of grappling could serve to lessen the risk of traumatic brain injury.  When TKOs are compared, proportions between professional boxing (38%) and MMA are similar.

The overall injury rate in MMA competitions is now similar to other combat sports, including boxing.  Knockout rates are lower in MMA competitions than in boxing.  This suggets a reduced risk of TBI in MMA competitions when compared to other events involving striking.

Game, set, match on that front.

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Bob Reilly

This guy has no clue about MMA,he’s just grandstanding for a paycheck. If you don’t like it don’t watch it. Just don’t down it because you don’t get it.

by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Apr 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s an easy argument to win, but you sure won the shit out of it.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Urge to kill… rising.

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 4, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice job

You should e-mail the entire article to Reilly so he can read it again.

by Wookalarman on Apr 4, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I love how Bob puts the injuries in context…

by brandonh on Apr 4, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm shocked

his report doesn’t include the line

“and injuries are a major cause of death.”

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

The #1 cause, edging out marijuana and not listening to your father

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot spanking the monkey.

Oh sorry, that’s the leading cause of blindness.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Apr 5, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I finally read through this document...

and it’s the first time that I’ve really thought of Reilly as something more evil than a man holding on to an issue for either A) principle or B) spotlight. I never thought him fully willing to take SO many things out of context for an argument. Everything up to this point was able to be brushed off as “oh well…it is what it is…just a politician being a politician” this is some really really awful stuff.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s what people do when they think no one will call them on it that is the truest judge of their character.

‘Conscience is the inner voice that warns us somebody may be watching.’ – HL Mencken

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Precisely. This guy (Reilly) is going to feel the weight of the MMA machine before too long. Dude’s gonna have one of those depression-induced career ends.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Apr 5, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been holding back

but the idea goes as follows. Send Dana White with a censor, and the board of the UFC, with some real stats on how safe MMA actually is. My god, what would he do with paintball if it was just coming out, rank behind running for injuries, but it’s shooting people. Whats next Bob, or will I regret asking.

by proflex on Apr 4, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ironic that I used the same study to debunk what the British Medical Association’s argument.

Shows how it all depends on perspective when you quote statistics.

watchkalibrun.com

by Zak Woods on Apr 4, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Statistics can be manipulated in so many ways

Proposal – if the BE staff (particularly Fagan) is up for this.

Lets produce a pdf document a) to rebut Reilly’s arguments and b) just to educate the general public.

Lets make it as comprehensive as possible and leave it as a permanent feature on the website. If you guys can sort it out hopefully someone at USA Today will eventually end up referring to it. It can be an ongoing piece that continually develops as more studies are produced.

Obviously we’d do no independent study of fights but rather summarize and display studies done by various academics from both sides of the fence.

I’d be happy to put some spare time towards contributing to something like this as I’m extremely passionate about it. I’m sure many other BE readers would to.

by rainmaker6 on Apr 5, 2009 4:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting that in 2008 I used the same research source...

that is the Journal of Sports Science & Medicine, in some research here: http://www.theultimatefemalefighter.com/tuff/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=44

Data can totally be subjective, and without knowing what the data tell us before and after what someone quotes from such research, you cannot get the full truth of the information presented. In reality, you can change data to suit your needs.

Hopefully the New York legislators who receive copies of Reilly’s illusory document are smart enough to obtain complete copies of this research and discover for themselves the results of the true and accurate data presented in whole. Then they will hopefully see that Reilly is not only working hard to mislead them, but that he is not one to be trusted with this issue, due to his obvious bias.

Let’s face it, Reilly’s at the point now where there is so much information available that can debunk him and his falsified views, he’s starting to grab at straws trying to stay afloat.

by orlis on Apr 6, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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