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What happened to BE.com??

Man I leave the country for a couple weeks and when I come back this has become the PC Blog. What happened? and people are getting kicked off for expressing their opinions? very confused...."DO NOT introduce additional political topics"....haha is Dana White running this website now? telling us what we can and cannont talk about?

Why do we care what Dana or anyone else's opinion is? I don't see how that is relavent to fight coverage.

Please lets just get back to fight coverage and stop taking yourself so seriously BE.com.

 

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The reason we are successful is because we’ve always ignored advice like this. Thanks for reminding us who not to listen to. Rec’d!

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

well I am glad that you guys dont listen to us (readers) because I think this is a great site and you guys do a great job. just find all of this non-fight talk silly. that is all I was trying to get across.

the whole political thing I just found funny…I dont want to read about politics on this site either. just found the restriction funny.

keep doing what you guys do and hopefully all of this will go away.

by jgersh on Apr 3, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for understanding

We’re walking a fine line because we want to discuss all the relevant aspects of MMA — including the business, PR, and socio-cultural aspects that impact the game behind the scenes but we don’t want the site devolving into a place where people have long off topic political fights.
We got tired of the story too.
Like greasegate or any other controversial topic we have to spend a lot of time managing. It got old but it was worth the discussion.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of relevant aspects of MMA

I know you do reviews of the Victory Belt series and the other day I saw they are putting out a book by Greg Jackson are you gonna review that before it comes out in August.

by drano on Apr 3, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the timing

but I’ll review it as soon as they sent it to me. Those books are pretty dense and take a bit of time to read as well so I can’t promise I’ll review it before it hits the stands but I’ll do my best.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome I saw the Lyoto Machida book and DVD as well as the rest of the Noguiera series and Lindland’s book is coming out as well so I guess you might be pretty busy with that, but since Victory belt started publishing these books I’ve been wondering why they wrote a book about the fighters and not the people who coach them so I’m curious about Greg Jackson’s book.

by drano on Apr 4, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

still waiting to get any of those

I’m actually backtracking and waiting to get Dave Camarillo’s book. He’s the coach at AKA that trains Fitch and Koscheck but his background is judo + bjj.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 4, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I’ve read it, it’s a pretty good guide for adapting Judo to Jiu Jitsu especially if you do tournaments

by drano on Apr 4, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys should do a review of LLoyd Irvin’s blog I know some of you guys train out there and the mastering the triangle series he did with Ryan Hall was really good.

by drano on Apr 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look, man, we listen to readers. In fact, we listen to you guys more than you can possibly imagine. Sometimes I want to kill you guys for all the negative feedback we get. But, that’s life. The trick to be successful, I think, is two fold:

1. Staying true to what you like. You have to have a vision that works, but it also has to be your own vision. I don’t write for the audience. I write for myself and believes others will like it, hate it, comment on it, etc.

2. Finding an ear for criticism. We get VOLUMES of criticism every single day. The key is to pick up on what resonates as true and what doesn’t. I will always appreciate your feedback, but I feel the “PC charge” is not applicable and hackneyed. It’s hilarious, really, I’ve never been accused of being PC in my life. I curse worse than Dana White in my personal life, but in my professional life – and the professional life of Dana White – that sort of thing isn’t allowed. I let myself slip here sometimes, but that doesn’t change the value of the rule and the value of modern professional standards of conduct.

Does that make sense?

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get a lot of negative feedback? Really? WHo are these people?

Sorry, but BE is the best MMA site on these here interwebs.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure every large site does if for no other reason than the volume of traffic is going to wade in some characters who don’t appreciate your efforts. That much is inevitable.

But on the real: you can ask Nate, I’ve literally come close to having meltdowns on certain readers or on certain issues. I don’t think being outside of staff you can really appreciate it, but when you’re us and you have to go over basically every post and then every comment in every post and do that every day, the amount of criticism collects. Rapidly. Often its garbage, sometimes it’s meaningful and sometimes its mean spirited.

I don’t think people appreciate how much a “I dunno. Why did you write this, Luke? It seems unnecessary and really off the mark” repeated 100 times over the course of a week can drive you crazy. It’s a daily struggle to stay sane with the animals on the loose. :)

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've witnessed your frustration at times

Sometimes I come to the defense of your more subjective offerings, or interject an opposing viewpoint. I know I can often come off as mildly antagonistic when disagreeing with someone (it’s indelibly how I speak/type, though I try to supplement my comments with reminders to that end); so I would like to take a moment to personally thank you for your efforts and the consistent quality of Bloodyelbow, its contents and operation. These same thanks are extended to all of the staff, as well.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

much appreciated

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s nuts. You need a secretary/admin assistant to cull through that stuff for you.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the longest time, I felt as if I didn’t have to post on this site, and instead just read the views of others, because in most cases I felt that someone’s opinion also encapsulated my own. Since I have become a more active member of the BE community, I have come to appreciate the staff for various reasons, but especially due to the promotion of HEALTHY discussion, and varying opinions even amongst the staff. I don’t feel as if it is the Staff vs. the community on this site, and instead feel like everyone articulates their own points rather well…. I also tend to play Devil’s advocate on a lot of topics due to the fact that I always try to see both sides of an issue… but hopefully I’m not contributing to the trolls, or frustrating the staff, because this is definitely my favorite MMA site period…

You guys do a great job, and most of us appreciate it…

by Loot on Apr 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

thanks man

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

For real...

I get e-mails from people all the time talking about either kicking my ass, me being an idiot or just being a douchebag in general. Today I got an “I’m going to drive to illinois and kick your fucking ass” which was sweet seeing as how I now live in Michigan. I’ve had people try to harass my wife via finding her myspace account through mine.

People get WAY out of line. I mean, I argue with you guys sometimes but it’s because I’m passionate about the sport just like you.

But a lot of people don’t understand the dirty side of this game.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well, maybe if you stopped being such a douchebag…

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

This x10000

I just need to learn

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me just say I appreciate everything you, Brent, and all the other staff put into this site to make it the best MMA site on the web. I know you take a lot of time out of your personal life and put up with a lot of bullshit to make this site as great as it is and I thank you all for that. Sometimes we might not all agree with what you guys have to say but what makes this place great is the contructive dialogue that can happen from our disagreements and it doesn’t just turn into one giant pissing match like almost every other site does. If it wasn’t for you guys Bloody Elbow would be nothing. Thank you.

Rec this if you agree.

by ufc4 on Apr 4, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Are you serious???

I can’t believe any writer on this site could have haters but Brent your WAMMA articles are some great pieces of journalism, no other MMA periodical has portrayed the WAMMA as honestly as this site. That kind of honesty and objectivity is what makes this site great keep up the good work.

by drano on Apr 3, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man...

I appreciate the kind words. But yeah, I’m serious. People get REALLY shitty via e-mail…etc.

Whatever…you learn to deal

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you can’t please everybody and there’s always going to be haters out there and I don’t know what it is about MMA but it seems to attract a lot of opinionated tools

by drano on Apr 4, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but BE is the best MMA site on these here interwebs.

QFT!

Shout out to www.mma4real.com as well. I’ve been going there more and more everyday.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

*correction

www.mmaforreal.com/

Sorry, Kevin ;)

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. There’s always been a moratorium on politics here. If someone only wants to discuss politics, they can go to a political website.

2. It’s not the opinions that get people kicked off, but how they express them. Consider the difference between “That dress isn’t flattering” and “That dress makes your ass fat.” People who consistently speak in the latter tone are eventually banned.

3. It’s hardly PC when the editors curse like sailors.

4. This discussion is relevant because it affects the growth of MMA.

5. This should all be obvious, really…

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

There are 3 rules that we've had for 2 years

1. No name calling
2. No politics
3. No threats

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm Sorry..

Lmao. I apoligize. i just couldnt help myself. Won’t happen again.

by StevenLaw on Apr 3, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

and one more

4. No discussing where to illegally acquire fight videos.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we can link to porn? Sweet!

lol, j/k. these rules and the fair enforcement of them, is what separates BE from the other sites like Shitdog.

I get sick of some of things like “faggotgate” and so on, but it is news. If you don’t like it dont participate.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve always wondered if we could link to porn. I’ve never really wanted to, myself, but as a general question. Given the US’s anti-sex tendencies, I would guess not, and I’ll play it safe until I hear otherwise (though I encourage others to try, bwahaha).

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we can link to porn? Sweet!

Try it and see what happens.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I like this.

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Apr 3, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cherry picker!

That is not a porn site, but rather me bustin’ your chops for picking the one line and ignoring my j/k!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the only line I felt was worth responding to.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you met Richard before? He gets a little antsy when he hasn’t gone all Clint Eastwood with the banhammer.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Apr 4, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn antsy.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 4, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about religion? Can we mock religions?

by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked yesterday. N-O.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silly – that’s not a real religion. . .
(Kidding, kidding – it shows as much validity as any other belief system – not trying to cause a shitstorm here)

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

scientology is a business

even more than other religions

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 4, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about if it’s a MMA based religion?

by who me on Apr 3, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

High stakes question

Did you do that?

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Been around the internet for years.

by who me on Apr 3, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case

A rec for broadening my horizons.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just had to hide a comment

to stop people from calling you names

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

I almost made the same bad joke, but you saved me the effort. Thanks.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to do a screen capture but that just seemed like more effort than I wanted to go through for a “zingger”. I’m just not a multimedia type guy I guess.

by who me on Apr 3, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe I didn’t catch that I misspelled “zinger” :D

by who me on Apr 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure you didn't mispell

a racial slur?!?!?!??! Cuz you could be in a heap of trouble.

lol.

by Loot on Apr 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope they don’t come after me for copyright infringement.

by who me on Apr 3, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. pretty bad joke.

by jgersh on Apr 3, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd...

…because I was gone to a meeting and totally wanted to do this, but you beat me to it.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

much appreciated

it’s a lot of work to manage this community but its worth it to have a place where we can have intelligent conversations about the sport, all aspects of the sport.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And only things having to do with the sport.

by szucconi on Apr 3, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Nate, how is the work on your other 2 MMA sites going? Guys, if you haven’t checked it out yet you should:

http://www.ILoveAokiPants.com

and

http://www.GSPisAgreasyCanadianCheater.com

by ufc4 on Apr 4, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not enough Rec’s in the world for this!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want more politics, but rec’d

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll happily spar with you on other forums if you want. Politics is my bread and butter, man.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is my only complaint about BE, too – so long as the discussion is overwhelming the original thread, and everyone’s civil, why not a bit of politics? There was a brief dialogue over Ayn Rand that got clipped, even though we were playing nicely. [pout]

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Preventive medicine.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, but I’m still going to whine about it. There are actual smart people here, a rarity online. When I make a Rand joke and someone responds with a John Rawls joke, I get a funny feeling inside. I think it’s called “happiness”.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we talk philosophy? Sartre solved everything-ish

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sartre only solved his own things. Everyone else must find the purpose of their own existence within their own context. ANd try to avoid an existential crisis while they’re at it…

Actually, I’d say that the best thing that Sartre ever wrote was the introduction to Fanon’s “The Wretched of the Earth”, but that’s me.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a fan of Sartre – he talks in circles too often without really saying much. Camus is much more interesting. I think Sartre’s eccentricities and social standing contribute to his popularity, much like Hemingway (another good but not great writer). His basic ideas are also self-defeating – he says find your own way, but if you use his advice, you’re arguably doing it his way.

Though kudos for nailing Simone de Beauvoir. . .

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sartre’s point is that everyone does it his way – that is, we all choose and we cannot avoid choosing.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he was being descriptive, I’d agree, but saying we need to avoid “bad faith” and other admonitions are prescriptive in nature. However, to let someone else say what your life should be is bad faith, which is what he’s doing – telling people to choose.

Have you read all of Being and Nothingness? I tried but got bored after a while – too inflated.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t finished it, either, but ‘Existentialism Is A Humanism’ might be my all time favorite essay (Matt Taibbi’s ‘God Can Suck My Dick’ a close second)

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

AHAHAHHAHAHA!

I’m reading it online now!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m always glad when I can share that

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a fair bit of Sarte. For one thing, the comment, “you are condemned to be free,” is one of the most powerful things I’ve ever read. A lot of what he says is a little off, especially when he tries to synthesize this ideas with Marxism, but overall he contributed more than most philosophers.

Seriously most only get the “critique the guy before you” down right, with laughable attempts to do the “replace his stupid ideas with ones that aren’t.” It’s a very short list of philosophers who do any of that even a little bit.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And almost a complete dearth since Sartre (don’t get me started on Foucault)

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And ‘existence precedes essence’ is my favorite

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a great one too. You know another (arguably proto) existentialist that had great quotes: Kierkegaard. Everybody knows Nietzche since Fight Club, and that Dane doesn’t get enough love.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thus Spoke Zarathustra is one of my favorite books, so I can’t hate on Friedrich getting props – but Kierkegaard was one of existentialism’s fathers (I also see a line from Spinoza, Hegel and Heidegger).

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nietzche is fucking awesome and I love Thus Spoke Zarathustra (especially with numerous biblical references), but it pains me when people talk about him like he invented the thing (insofar as existentialism is a ’thing’). Here are some choice quotes:

The presence of irony does not necessarily mean that the earnestness is excluded.
People think the world needs a republic, and they think it needs a new social order, and a new religion, but it never occurs to anyone that what the world really needs, confused as it is by much learning, is a new Socrates
It was intelligence and nothing and nothing else that had to be opposed. Presumably that is why I, who had the job, was armed with an immense intelligence.

That last quote is roughly 10 lbs. of pimp in a 5 lbs. sack.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Even though I was totally waiting for it.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 5, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 5, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bio-power made me consider random acts of violence.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about it? I’m reading Discipline & Punish right now (I’m fascinated with prisons/torture/brainwashing to the chagrin of my friends), and the only other person I know who’s read it practically has to take Foucault’s dick out of his mouth before he speaks.

I can’t stand how Nietzsche got so popular after Palanhuik brought his ideas out. I love Nietzsche, but seeing kids run around saying he’s awesome but not knowing a damn thing about him makes me want to throw them into traffic.

I try to like the Melancholy Dane, but I have trouble with the “God” issue. (Not criticizing anyone’s religion, don’t go banhammering anyone)

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll revisit bio-power and then get back to you. It’s been awhile since I read it, but I remember almost losing it.

Yeah, Nietzche became a little pop after that. It got annoying to deal with that crap.

There’s a lot about Kierkegaard to like even without the God stuff. That said, I feel like I might be a little more pro-God than you (though my position is hardly orthodox). :-)

Btw, you mentioned in the liveblog wanting to hear some good indie music. Did you see my post, and if you did, what did you think of the tunes? Your kind of stuff or not?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't have a problem with bio-power...

I mean, it’s a vast sort of generalization, but it’s a description of a dynamic more than anything else, I’d say.

Yeesh. I can’t believe I just typed that.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 4, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m an atheist, but there was a time when one couldn’t get published without giving God his due. Kant is a great example of someone historically that I think was faking it in order to get by.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about faking it, but he was certainly no theist. I got the impression that he was a pretty hardcore deist.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot of discussion about Descartes being irreligious because he uses such crappy proofs for God, and only as a last resort for refuting his skepticism, it seems more like an obligation than actual belief.

The music was OK – a little too pop for me, but not bad. I tend to like heavier stuff – been rockin’ out to Mastodon’s latest album.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still can’t decide whether I love or hate the new Mastodon.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right? I mean, it’s good but it’s not what I wanted/expected from a Mastodon album.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, all of my old stand by’s are sort of losing their way. The new God Forbid isn’t like some shit new direction; it’s just plain mediocre. I’m actually terrified to listen to the new Lamb of God, though I have had it for weeks (on the basis of how awful their last album was). The new Isis is more of the same, but it is likely to grow on me. Huge recommendation on the new Kylesa album. And if you haven’t heard of them, huge recommendation on Kylesa (for themachiavellian, at that).

Also, if you yearn for Mastodon of old and haven’t heard American Heritage, do yourself a favor and check them out.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally downloading Kylesa and American Heritage now. Thanks for the tips.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 4, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roger that. I have many recommendations if you ever need them.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 4, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like the new Lamb of God, and also the new Mudvayne, though I know it got mediocre reviews. I’ve also starting listening to Strapping Young Lad. I’ll going to check out your recs. Thanks, mate.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s out there – all about astral projection and Tsarist Russia – it also represents either air or aether, not sure yet.

They’re a progressive metal band, so I expect them to change it up with every album, and the music usually fits the theme. The slower tempo and nuanced picking fit the lyrics perfectly.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve gone a bit too stoner on this album and it makes me miss the days of Remission. I mean, I love the likes of Kyuss, but if I wanted to listen to that I’d, well— listen to Kyuss.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 4, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cool, a band named after an evil god in D&D.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Apr 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah! They were originally “Sons of Kyuss.”

I listened to the newest Kylesa album 3x last night. Awesome stuff.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 4, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

I’m listening to it in my office right now. It really is an amazing album.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, I got nothing for you crazy Mastadon folk. :-)

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed it, too. Rules is rules, though.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was fun. Is it okay as long as it’s just quips like that?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually understand it, and I didn’t at first. I think it’s just because of how emotionally and passionately some people hold their politics, especially some people with a long-standing (or even lifelong) membership in a specific political party. You can’t really have good conversations or debates about a subject when a big percentage of the people see the entire subject area as a zero-sum competition that must either be won or lost in all facets. Political discussion are just too often black or white, and really people don’t discuss; they just try to “win”.

I suppose because of a combination of A) studying politics (and political theory and philosophy more than anything else), B) my personal radical politics which are way outside the norm, and C) having spent the last two years working for the government, I basically view all politics as in flux, so I try to never take an absolutist view. But even then, unless you know and trust all the people in the discussion, political conversations can get very uncomfortable very quickly. Which is why it’s important that we have them, but probably not here…

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by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s very hard to reason with people who take an absolute stance on an issue. In Science & Religion class I’m taking, we were discussing same-sex marriage and I asked one guy (a fundamentalist Christian who takes the Bible literally) if he believes homosexuality is a choice or biological, and he said, “Well, it’s natural, like any other disease.” Whether you agree with him or not, how can you rationally speak with someone who maintains such a hardline stance?

I get the informal ban on politics, but it still makes me sad. Many people here are smart enough to debate civilly.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, most are. But its hard enough maintaining threads about BJ Penn vs. GSP, much less abortion. It’s just too much work for us.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw poop.

Just leave my philosophy talks alone! Pleez?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a philosophy major, too. I love it, but between “I and Thou” no discussion :)

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That pun was terrible. . .

No politics, no philosophy, what are we supposed to do here? Stay on topic?
Sure, I and Thou won’t talk about it, I’ll just talk with others.
& at the very least, tell me who’s your favorite philosopher.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not my absolute favorite

But I’ve been into Nozick for a long, long time.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nozick deserves many, many rec’s.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a philosophy major too

And I come here for MMA. There’s great philosophy websites out there, but unless you tie Nietzche’s superman to Fedor’s dominance of the heavyweight division, it’s got no business here.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 4, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually haven’t found any good philosophy blogs/sites, but then again I didn’t search very hard. If you know of any, I’d be interested a head’s up.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The few philosophy forums I’ve visited are hard to follow because of the usual forum format of quoting instead of nesting comments, like here. Also, there’s the usual crew of people just trying to show off their smarts rather than discussing anything. I do recommend the xkcd forums, though – they’re laid-back.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man – like Arlovski – is something that must be overcome.

Happy?

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fedor has overcome his condition by producing the greatest highlight reel, whereas Tim Sylvia becomes the last man, fighting washed-up boxers for paychecks. This situation eternally reoccurs in every Affliction commercial.

thetakeover, who are your favorites?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kant, Plato

I’m old school. Not into all that existentialist hand-wringing.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diogenes is my favorite Greek. Anyone publicly willing to subvert the greats gets a hat-tip from me. I also admire his asceticism and would love to try living like that.

I like Hobbes’ views on man, but hate his politics. The first part of Leviathan kicks ass. I’m reading Hume right now for class and really enjoying it.

I see where existentialism can annoy people – when done poorly, it’s “Oh, woe is me” crap.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

When done correctly, it’s ‘the universe doesn’t give a shit about us? Well, we better get to work, then.’

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

When done correctly, it’s ‘the universe doesn’t give a shit about me? Well, I better get to work, then.’

Fixed it for you. ;-)

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine as well, but most political blogs I like have really shitty comment formatting

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flagged

For requesting a rec. :)

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liar.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what the :) was for

I hate using those little fuckers, but people seem to have some trouble warming up to my humor.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I should have appended one to my comment.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, I'm on board

My comment was more for the clarity of others.

I rec’d him everyone!

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

You’re all right.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

but sometimes they do get a bit overzealous.

by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You take that back.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 4, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest…I really dont read the comments sections that much. so I really wasn’t referring to that. My post was more towards the articles that were being posted on the actual website. 3 different articles about this on the front page is just a little much is all I was saying.

by jgersh on Apr 3, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Now see

THAT’s a fair criticism. Highlighting the amount of coverage as something you don’t enjoy is better than coming to us and asking “WTF? Happened? Are you all gay now, too?” You didn’t do that exactly, but you catch my drift.

But…I hear you. You don’t think this issue deserves as much coverage as its getting. Duly noted. That’s all you really had to say.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with him. This story hit the big press. My mother asked me about it. It deserved the coverage. I am sick of it, sure. But it deserved the inches here on BE.

by szucconi on Apr 3, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it deserved coverage, friendo. All I’m suggesting is there are ways to get our attention if you have a gripe. A) Make sure it’s salient and b) don’t be a prick.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah..

and trust us. We debate endlessly over when to cut the coverage on stories like this. We added different perspectives/news updates on the situation while each time going “is this too much? I dunno…it’s possibly going to be a big deal let’s keep going”

but like luke said, too much coverage of this one story in the wake of a fight night, TUF debut and upcoming DREAM and Bellator shows…that’s fair criticism.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys really don't get enough credit.

If I was female and moderately attractive, I’d email you nudes as thanks!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was female and moderately attractive… and cheap

by Benicio on Apr 3, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I’m glad you qualified that with “moderately attractive”. Gave me the image of you as a woman deciding if it would be appropriate to send the images based on your looks.

by Sam Cupitt on Apr 4, 2009 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luke was one of them

But he was doing it ironically. At least according to the first post.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ever Luke choi’s people choi. its a fact of life. there are meny sheep in his flock.

by szucconi on Apr 3, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec’d… but I don’t know why… weird…

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's why we say "rec'd"

It’s like social experiments where one plant in a room stands up when someone enters, and everyone else follows suit.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the man is correct; it’s green.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 3, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s part of the reason I rec so many things. Sometimes I feel a little weird about it…like I’m that guy that loves everything…which is generally not an apt description of me.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'ing

Lately, I’m just Rec’ing anytime I see somebody say something smart. Nothing wrong with showing somebody that their time enhanced your experience of the site.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, and with the high quality of the commentary and articles on this site, I’m half-joking when I say that I’ve considered rec’cing everything (article and comments completely) before…okay, 3/4’s joking.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did, not for the viewpoint of the poster, but so we could argue a bit longer!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and yes, I was rec #3…hahahahahahahaha!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look away!

It’s AntiBJJDenver!

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

in all seriousness, I like the fact that we can talk, debate even argue, MMA in a mostly civil manner around here. And when it is called for, venture into the other topics like other sports, movies, current events and even the mild political reference.

The editors/staff always participate, whether or not you agree with their viewpoint. Of course in any segment, there is going to be a fringe percentage of people that will go off the deep end, but they usually come around or are dealt with fairly.

The fact that you have a post questioning the site, should tell us something. This easily could have been deleted, but discussion is usually healthy.

No doubt, the best mma site i have found.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s disturbing because it makes me feel… odd. About my childhood, cartoons, and nerd girls.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sooo hot. Want to touch the hiney.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Apr 3, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nerd hotness always gets a rec.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf

holy crap very hot

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 4, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

this entire thread

has nothing to do with MMA. No kicks, punches, bjj, wrestling, or fighters.

by dwv114 on Apr 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i’m still shocked you receive that much criticism here. I occasionally disagree with the direction of the site, but it never occured to me that this place would be a target of “haterz”.

by Tim Burke on Apr 3, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't Mention BE on Sherdog... lol

I’ve come to the defense of the site a few times, from those who have extremist views of BE… One person will swear up and down that BE is being paid by ZUFFA, and that all of its articles are biased towards Dana, while another person will accuse them of the exact opposite, in the same vein… lol.

by Loot on Apr 3, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do know Sherdog is full of 12 y/o and sociopaths?

by Benicio on Apr 3, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen anybody post about BE on sherdog, but I don’t spend very much time there. I’d be interested to see what they say, even if their real point is concealed by layers of idiocy.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the reason that there was an uproar is that Dana not only used an extremely offensive word to describe someone with a dissenting opinion, but that he viciously singled out and attacked a respected journalist, and did so in a very unprofessional manner.

And btw, I always took the “No politics,” clause to mean that non- relevant political issues (like gay marriage, abortion, economic turmoil, etc), having nothing to do with MMA was inpermissible. But when it’s something so relevant to the sport, like an important figure such as Dana, verbally assaulting a journalist/ reporter of the sport, I think it would be pretty ridiculous to cease and decist any intelligent conversation on the topic.

Supporting all Las Vegas MMA.

'09 is the year of the FW's.

by ElliotMatheny on Apr 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

True

We’ve talked about the economic situation as it relates to Vegas, PPV, entertainment industry, etc., but always avoided the bailout, Geithner, and what-not because it’s irrelevant to MMA. Same for other topics. So long as it relates to the sport, it’s fair game.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 3, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got...

called a UFC shill, and then accused of having an anti-ufc bias in the same week…by the same person.

Life is fun

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the no politics rule is a tough one

What I really prefer is this — if you have a relevant political point to bring up vis a vis an mma story, make it ONCE. What really gets old is when two people have an endless fight. Make your point and move on.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I can support 100%

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That last part is my friend’s favorite threat. He finds various creative ways of saying it.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Apr 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming soon…The Cockpuncher

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for “dickpunch” and a sadly accurate description of political discussion on the internet.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Apr 4, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How...DARE you?!

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Sam "No Comments" Caplan

The guy who quit doing what he was good at so he could be a bad version of MMA Weekly.
The guy who sent me furiously angry emails when I teased him for calling Ed “9mm” Ratcliff — Ed “8mm” Ratcliff.
Dude has no sense of humor.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno

seems some of the writers here have no sense of humor anymore. Get overly sensitive….

and stuff….

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy who quit doing what he was good at so he could be a bad version of MMA Weekly.

QFT.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear...

I f*cking love this site…its the best in MMA…I just feel like it is so close to losing its sense of humor…

I have been here since the beginning…as I was with 5oz

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d just like to point out that there is a picture of an Asian woman with a giant inflatable Josh Barnett on the front page right now.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 3, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know man…but like I said

I just feel like it is so close to losing its sense of humor…

Not that it has.

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

and before...

I get attacked too much…

between all sites & blogs…I doubt many more than me have linked this site more doing my best to support it as a fan.

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it...

it’s a hard thing to balance humor with seriousness and even harder when you’re trying to manage a growing community while trying to keep the “standards” that made it attractive to begin with. We all go through periods where the endless grind gets us down and maybe we all hit that point at the same time (or if not all at least a couple of us…myself included). Also the “serious subjects” like the Dana thing just lead to us getting upset with things like people signing up just to bash us…etc.

I dunno. I don’t think we’re that close to losing our sense of humor…I think we’re just in a period where the humor hasn’t been able to be shown effectively.

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% fair enough

Its not an easy line to dance around.

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

But lately I’ve been on edge trying to deal with feedback and management and everything else in my life. It’s made me a little less humorous. But we’re working on it.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you hear me

I trust you

Fair enough

I wont bitch again but please direct the suits (management) to threads like this so they know that they have no idea what mma fans want.

by banter on Apr 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s your address Luke? I’m gonna send you a bottle of Jager.

by ufc4 on Apr 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The man is clearly crying out for whiskey. Or weed, but I doubt Luke dabbles.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we compromise on Captain Morgan? Private Stock of course.

by ufc4 on Apr 4, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

crap. for me posting this in the first place because I wanted more fight coverage and less talk, sure did back fire on me. haha. guess I will think twice next time.

also, I think the staff should be happy I posted this based on all the positive feedback and support you guys are getting in these comments. so your welcome. :)

by jgersh on Apr 4, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Well...

I can tell you that we’re getting back to more fight oriented talk now. Unless something like this happens again forcing us to cover it ;)

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 4, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of times when I dont like this site, or some of the people in it

but first of all, I assume theres even more times when they dont like me.

I think sometimes the BE readership gets a little hypersensitive to things or hyperpolitical or maybe a bit self-important, especially compared to a lot of the other blogs I read. Other than that, when we can manage to have a conversation thats pure MMA, there’s no place better on the internet. Very informed commenters, a lot of up to date information, all that.

So you take with the good with the bad and thank the dudes for their effort.

im not impressed with your performance

by troy145 on Apr 4, 2009 1:57 AM EDT reply actions  

This is the best MMA site on the internet… by far.

I used to have Five Ounces as my page for news and whatever, not only because I used to write there but they were the good ol’ blog format like Bloody Elbow is. Then the site got a little too big, and its focus changed to “WE MUST BE AN INTERNET MAGAZINE TYPE THING” and then there was that Huckaby monster and the WAMMA debacle and now I don’t even go there anymore.

Then I switched over to here, where the site has someone struck the almost unattainable goal of having a growing website that for the most part doesn’t have complete douche bags as commenters. The way the whole site works too is just brilliant with the Fanposts and the way to leave comments etc.

But yeah, outside of all sites you have the rest of the world with their viewpoints on how a certain site is. BE are pro-UFC (which is bullshit but anyways…), MMAJunkie is a robot designed to remove emotion from every bit of a MMA news out there, Five Ounces is obsessed with exclusives and run by a horrible dictator, Sherdog has the worst forums known to man, MMA Weekly is that guy you meet who is nice to chat to but you eventually forget their name and don’t talk to them again etc. etc.

by Sam Cupitt on Apr 4, 2009 5:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll just amend that. I’m also a big fan of Cage Potato, as they also have great fan interaction with their “Cage Wiki” which I’m responsible for filling up. The site is also generally hilarious but the comments section is just full of anonymous idiots.

1. Bloody Elbow
2. Cage Potato

3. Fightlinker

by Sam Cupitt on Apr 4, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Fightlinker is…that guy. Everyone knows someone who is that guy. Mama always said, don’t be that guy.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Apr 4, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think of MMAWeekly as a really friendly and agreeable sort of dude, who you find out later is a member of a cult.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've always been...

on the side that thinks of them like a really great dude who you used to hang out with. But then he started dating this chick and gotta all weird. Now he can’t move on and judges every other girl he meets by that old chick.

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 4, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, in the past year we’ve enjoyed “stand-gate”, “grease-gate”, and now “faggot-gate”. I can only imagine which gate comes next. It can’t be anymore creative than these 3.

Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.

by Heenan on Apr 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Gate-gate

It will involve a scandal about the money from ticketbuyers. Bank on it.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 4, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...for those of you wishing we'd get back to actual fights and features..

The second edition of my “Adjusting For Era” series comes out Monday morning

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 4, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I already new that...

but I’ve got inside info. I’ve got a little WEC thing coming out after Luke’s show. It’s not much, but it is WEC fight talk.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 4, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet. I really dug the first one.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 4, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Return to normalcy…between the “BE vs WAMMA” debate and then Dana’s loose tongue, I’m almost sick of visiting this site for a while.
Almost.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 4, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome! I’m stoked for this because it was inspired by the discussion in one of my fanposts, so I feel like the grandfather of the series. sniff They grow up so fast…

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

One question

With all this discussion of certain sites and writers being “anti-UFC” or “pro-UFC” it occurs to me that all sites are pro-UFC to a certain extent. I mean, for all their shortcomings the UFC is still by far the best MMA promotion in the world, and there is nobody even close. We might not agree with the way they handle some parts of their business (fighter contracts, media dealings, etc.) but at the end of the day aren’t we all glad that the UFC is here as opposed to the alternative? That doesn’t mean that we can’t call Dana out when he does something stupid or frown upon some of their business practices but what would MMA be like without them? Would we rather have Rampage fighting for Affliction, Rashad fighting for Strikeforce, and Lyoto fighting for Dream? Personally I prefer them all being under one roof so we can find out who is really the best. Sites like Bloody Elbow probably wouldn’t exist if not for the way Zuffa has brought MMA along and grown it into what it has become today. Hate on Dana White and UFC management all you want, would the world really be a better place without them? Not in my book.

by ufc4 on Apr 4, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you’re pointing out the reality that applies to the vast majority of MMA fans: we’re not always pleased with the tactics of the UFC, but we complain about them because we want the UFC to be BETTER, not to make it go away. The “you’re anti/pro UFC/Zuffa!” comments that get slung around tend to come from the far ends of the bell curve, so to speak. What’s awesome is the times that the same comment gets both a “You’re just pro UFC!” and “You just hate the UFC!” at the same time.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Apr 5, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, I don’t get the people who hate everything UFC and would do anything they can to take it down. Are there any other MMA promotions giving us 1-2 events every single month? Are there any other promotions who have the ability to name undisputed champions in the middleweight, welterweight, or light heavyweight classes? Are there any other organizations paying as many fighters as much money as the UFC is? No, there isn’t, and if the UFC ceases to exist then there probably won’t be for a long time. Like I said, they don’t do everything right and there is plenty of room for improvement, but we should be happy there is even anything to improve on because if they weren’t around we would have a much harder time getting our MMA fix.

by ufc4 on Apr 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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