Dana White Video Apology, Fight Night Vlog
by Luke Thomas on Apr 3, 2009 7:23 AM EDT
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UPDATE: I didn't want White to be put in a position to apologize, but the issue ballooned far beyond the MMA media and White's hand was forced. I also didn't want to see an apology because, in truth, I don't really care if White does or does not personally care for gays or women or BloodyElbow.com or whoever. It'd be nice, of course, but all I really am asking for is professional standards of public conduct from an executive officer. No more, no less. This apology is more damage control than remorse, but, quite honestly, it's a sufficient response at this point. As far as I am concerned, the issue is over. Let's all move on.
As for the lack of video blogs going forward, it is regrettable. But I'm also glad that Dana will have one less distraction in his life so he can get back to doing what he does best: making the UFC (and hopefully MMA) as popular as possible. That's what he's good at it and that's all he should be concerned with. Time to get back to business.
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Dana on his recent comments, his future, and his FINAL video blog
Hey guys, I’m Carmichael Dave’s Producer.
Dave just got off the phone with Dana and Dave just went on the air and talked about the conversation. Here’s the link to download the audio:
http://mp3upload.ca/download/9882/da…ologue_low.mp3
Some bullet points:
- Dana will make a Video Blog Statement
- Most surprisingly, it will be his FINAL video blog.
- Dana says he has no interest in media “games”
- He’s tired, and is going to greatly reduce his PUBLIC role in the future.
Dave goes on to describe Dana’s thought process and mood. It was a very candid statement.
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/dana-his-recent-comments-his-future-his-final-video-blog-952698/
by banter on Apr 3, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats what everyone was bitching for yesterday. i just think it will hurt MMA’s reach. he was out there pushing our sport, who will do it now?
by MicahW on Apr 3, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Political correctness sells itself!!!
This is cutting off your nose to spite your face, instigated by a number of sites such as this (though I still love BE). There seem to be a number of “calls to action” and moral outrage articles recently. A little too much, in my opinion. The incident happened, it’s behaviour that obviously needs to be changed, but now the outcome is regrettable for both sides. Dana is by far a net positive for MMA, probably moreso than any person or fighter. He is like the high scoring Russian winger or shooting guard who doesn’t play D. Dana’s still only a person like the rest of us, sometimes you have to take the bad with the good.
Dana isn’t going to be the blogosphere’s puppet. If you want to follow a wishy-washy leader, Tom Atencio can be spotted to your left running Affliction MMA into the ground with many of the best ideas found on blogs.
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White is the President of a company
not a high scorer who does not play D. His responsibilities reach beyond what just a fighter does. He is responsible for how the UFC comes across & as a company they absolutely cannot come across calling anyone a “faggot or dumb fucking bitch”! Everyone involved (Fertittas) obviously realize that it may not be possible for Dana to control this part of himself in these blogs, so it is just not worth the possibility of him pissing off an entire demographic. I love Dana just to be clear & I did not take the “faggot” remark as him being homophobic, but calling that reporter a “dumb fucking bitch” is insane for someone in his position to do.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is not your typical company.
Perhaps your rules do not apply at this point.
I’m tired of people pointing out that this is not the behaviour of a president. Everyone knows that the UFC has gotten to where it is on the back of Dana, not despite him. Yes, his of words is regrettable. But a year ago, 400k PPV buys were a big success. Now it is routine. The sport is springing up in large part because of Dana and the UFC’s effort to get major sponsors and get onto ESPN.
He has two hats to wear – president of the UFC and the point of contact for fighters and representatives. If he doesn’t show the character trait that he will protect himself and retaliate, the agents will be more than happy to rake him over the coals in negotiations.
Eventually, they’ll get so many credentials until the backstage is so clogged that the PPV will have to be cancelled as the fighters will be trapped in a mob of people!!!
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is a multimillion dollar company
that is in the public eye, so you are wrong. The normal rules of society do apply to Dana White & the UFC at this point. This is not about the credentialing issue or about Dana’s job, which he is tremendously good at. You can protect yourself & retaliate in a professional manner & if you choose to do in a public forum, you better be fucking sure you do not say anything that can embarass your company.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don’t think it has hurt the UFC at this point. They have gotten to where they are with this foul-mouthed president. The UFC struggles for significant mainstream coverage as it is – the chance a fan who doesn’t know Anderson Silva from a hole in the ground gets wind of this tirade is somewhere between slim and none. Sure, it would be prudent to keep the swearing and offensive phrases to a minimum, but the UFC still is and will be in its own little bubble for another few years. Dana knows how to speak and behave on major media outlets.
I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase – “No such thing as bad press.”
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying this is big enough to hurt them.
But much more like this would definitely be “bad press”
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sport is springing up in large part because of Dana and the UFC’s effort to get major sponsors and get onto ESPN.
You just stated the best reason ever for Dana to be careful about what he says right there.
As far as the UFC not being your typical company, that’s a laugh. Every company is different but every company has to worry about PR issues too, particularly when they are trying to grow the company, Zuffa falls into the same catagory.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sucks hate to see dana go out like this but i guess its best for the sport. Lorenzo finally put the dog to rest.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
by Pitbull on Apr 3, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who said he was “going out” hell Dana has been talking about stepping away from the public eye for a while now because it kills his family life but that doesn’t mean that he is stepping down or all the sudden not going to be Dana White anymore. Honestly I am happy for him to get himself out of the spotlight because it’s obviously hard on him.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad they’re canceling the blogs, I really liked the insight behind the scenes.. but if he can’t trust himself and things he says in a more candid situation I understand why they’re stopping them.
What a shame.
by pr0cs on Apr 3, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, major bummer for sure. I’d say at least let him do one on the day of the fight instead of the several vids he would put out on the days leading up which are really the ones that would get a little crazy. You can tell its not the same Dana in this Vlog. :(
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Dana's vid blogs,
but after this last one it was inevitable they were done. I think that everyone involved realizes that he is unable to police himself enough to not piss off people with what he says. I thought Dana was smart enough to control himself so this would not happen again, but I guess he does not want to risk it.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his apology leaves a little to be desired imo. essentially he says its still ok to call someone a fa**ot as long as you’re not actively pursuing or condoning hate crimes. it is a bummer that he won’t be making any more blogs, but hopefully that will just open the door for more professional pre-fight coverage.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Apr 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"essentially he says its still ok to call someone a fa**ot as long as you’re not actively pursuing or condoning hate crimes."
No. That is not at all what he said. What he said was that he did not mean it the way it was perceived. I am not defending him at all, but that is what he said. He said it was a bad word choice & he apologized for it. What do you want from him, crucifixion?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. a bad word CHOICE. not a bad word. do i want a crucifixion? no. an apology that addresses and acknowledges the seriousness of what he said? yes.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Apr 3, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Dana coming out & apologizing
actually addresses the seriousness of the situation.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
while you people are at it, why not crucify him for calling the air horn guy a retard?
call the special olympics committee and ask dana to call obama and set up a joint apology.. rolls eyes
He made a sincere apology.. what more do you want from the man?
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 3, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After all the warnings about keeping politics out of this, I expect you to be banned in 3.. 2.. 1..
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I wonder if these posts have resulted in the most bannings ever on BE?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’ve managed to miss them entirely… It’s going to take me forever to figure out who’s disappeared.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would not believe some of the jackasses
that came out of the woodwork on this one. I guess a topic like this reminds me that there are lot more crazy mother fuckers in the world who have some really fucked up ideas about what is right & what they should be allowed to do in life.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't been paying attention much on these threads because i generally thought that it isn't supposed to be as big as it is..
how much people got banned?
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 3, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too, I wonder how many new accounts were created just to complain or whine about “PC Police” or similar topics. There were a lot of names I didn’t recognize posting all of a sudden.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
I was responding to someone yesterday where Chris Nelson found out it was the same person making multiple entries agreeing with their previous posts. lol
I waste as much time on here as anyone, but I do not have that kind of time.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That’s a new low in pathetic. 
(not you, the guy that did that)
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, right?
It totally fucked me up because I was freaking arguing with two different people it seemed who kept pointing at the other dude. It was funny after I found out because I just would not even think about doing some shit like that. lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the internet.
Trolling and alt ID’s are so prevalent that there are places that view it as it’s own sport. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t have people posting here in the last day or two that didn’t even care about MMA they were just looking to have a bit of fun on the internet.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those people seriously need lives then.
At least I am getting pd at wk while I jack off on this site, lol.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
….filled with porn and over-inflated senses of self worth.
:D
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth..
we can see all accounts logged in from an IP address. So If I were to pull up your name I could see if you had an alt username. It helps us punish people for trying to be “slick”
Yes, big brother IS watching
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will now refer to you as BBBB
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BEBBBB?
(bloody elbow’s big brother brent brookhouse?)
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should call Bloodyelbow one word so it can be BBBBB
Where the hell have you been, anyway? Waiting in the shadows for Lesnar to say something stupid?
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
The site a bit different than it used to be. Not as much fun for me. I still read it, but there has been an influx of trollish types that I’d rather not bother with. Oh well.
Glad you’re doing ok :)
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i brought up politics as a sarcastic comment.
not by using it as an argument or an attack.. I think this issue has gone way out of hand and we should focus on other things.. (like him saying condit won FOTN, or Dream8 and WEC40)
..and now we wont get to see anymore VLOGs.. but maybe luke has a point and this could be a good thing as it would be one less distraction..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope everyone realizes that the “reduce his PUBLIC role” is basically a way to put reasoning behind the cutting of the video blogs. Dana is still gonna be there, people are acting like it’s the Fertita’s pissed off dog getting put to sleep. I find it kind of funny.
by kyfm621 on Apr 3, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep Dana isn’t going anywhere he’s just talking about reducing his public role. Stopping the vblogs doesn’t mean that he isn’t still going to be doing all the stuff we saw him doing in the vblogs it just means he won’t have a camera crew over his shoulder.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The VP of all of Zuffa was sitting beside him on the couch during his rant…. and let Dana post the video anyways.
He shouldn’t be the parrot on Dana’s shoulder… anyone around Dana not a “yes” man? He needs someone around to tell him he is acting like a douche nozzle….
by DeepStrike on Apr 3, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He told CB that Conduit and Kampman was fight of the night and the griffin fight one.
by MattTil on Apr 3, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too right at the end. Lame…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, now we won’t have his video blogs anymore. I hope you PC crusaders got what you wanted.
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s ridiculous. The only person who should be upset about this are homosexuals and even then, I think it’s pushing. It’s obviously wasn’t meant to be malicious toward homosexuals.. It was a stupid thing to say but there didn’t need to be a big uproar about it. He also called Hunt a retard… He calls people retards all the time. I don’t see anyone calling from any organizations for Mental Disabilities calling for apologies.. And don’t try to tell me that there is a difference between the word faggot and retard. The way they were both used here can be construed as hate speech and if there is outrage for one, there should be outrage for both.
People need to get over themselves. Words are just words. I’m so sick and tired of people having to watch what they say constantly in fear of public backlash. He shouldn’t have said faggot, he shouldn’t have said retard, that’s a given.. But there doesn’t need to be an outrage every time someone says a “bad” word. ESPECIALLY by people that are in no way effected by the word.
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only person who should be upset about this are homosexuals
Soooo… only the targets of bigotry should be concerned with bigotry?
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a PC crusader, nor was I super offended about what he said, although I think it was pretty unprofessional of him to say those things.
But I am happy to see less of him. I’m sick of seeing his face all the time. So this is good news for me.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Apr 3, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that he is horribly unprofessional, but that’s just his way. You’d never see David Stern or Roger Goodell talk this way, but in a way, I find it refreshing… He’s acting like a normal person rather than some President of a billion-dollar company with a silver spoon up his ass. I appreciate when people can be themselves in front of the camera because it shows they have nothing to hide. It’s the people that hold themselves back in the public that re the sleaze balls. I like Dana, I really appreciate what he’s done for the sport, but I think it’s completely stupid that after everything that he’s ever said he’s going to have to limit his public appearance with the UFC over saying the word faggot.
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana has been talking about pulling back from his crazy schedule for a while now, hell he has said it was Lorenzo that pushed him into the vblog to start with, it wasn’t something he wanted to do. This isn’t forcing Dana to do anything he is pulling back from the public eye because he wants to pull back from that, shit people should be happy for the guy to get to spend more time with his family.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"PC Crusaders" vs. "Keyboard Warriors"
Introducing first!!!
Who comes up with this nonsense? We all have opinions, we all love this sport.
*sigh
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a dig at me? I don’t see how I’m being a keyboard warrior?
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It’s not, I didn’t even read your post. And Im making fun of the terms, not you guys.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Being a “Keyboard Crusader” I’m offended that you think the terms are mutually exclusive. On behalf of the NAAVP (National Association for the Advancement of Virginal People), I demand you issue a public apology!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:P
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll be hearing from our attorney!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
YES
Loblaw’d.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Apr 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just Rob Rolled? lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Jackie C: You put the Vlog on? Who told you to put the Vlog on? I didn’t tell you to put the Vlog on. Why’d you put the Vlog on?
Dana: I guess screwed up huh Jackie?
Jackie C: DAMN RIGHT you screwed up!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should change it from Political Correctness to “grow up and actually take responsibility for the things that come out of your mouth”. Instead of blaming the people who he hurt how about blaming the guy who couldn’t even get through a 4 minute youtube video without having childish obsenity laden temper tantrum. At least White took responsibility for his actions it’s a shame that there are so many people who don’t see why that is what is important.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
And...green
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who me wins again.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully the loss of Dana's vlblogs will be replaced
with vblogs by someone whose background is in more professional video reporting.
Dana will be free to focus on his really responsibilities and the UFC will hopefully get some people who are professional media reps.
by Razreshat on Apr 3, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So you think they’ll hire professionals to do an unscripted vblog?
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant someone like Kenny or Mir, people who have professional experience but would keep a video blog unscripted and entertaining. I don’t think they’d use KenFlo or Mir for the job, both men are busy, but there are quite a few people qualified enough to work a video blog under UFC contract.
by kyfm621 on Apr 3, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No other person is familiar with or reaches into as many areas of the UFC as Dana. This is why it has to be Dana doing the vlog.
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully future vlogs deal with something interesting, and not what kind of car Dana drives, or what he has for breakfast, or .. well, you get my point.
More MMA, less bald narcissism.
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I concur. Maybe I’ll watch them if that happens.
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Apr 3, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seeing dana white’s personal relationship with the fighters wasn’t interesting? it showed the human side of him and showed that he’s a very likable guy…
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What percent of the people expressing outrage at Dana White’s YouTube video on MMA Blog comment sections were truly offended? 5 percent? I really want to know.
And should Dana have to apologize to the American Kennel Club for misuse of the word bitch?
by mattio on Apr 3, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m personally lobbying for an apology to the Witness Protection Agency for his HORRIBLE remarks against their procedures for protecting their clients. I was deeply offended by this, even though I have no connection to that agency whatsoever.
by WeeZiTe on Apr 3, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly do not get it
& I am sure that someday you will be sitting with your boss & the HR person while they try to explain this to you.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people think that being able to say stupid shit makes them cool and that they shouldn’t have to take personal responsibility for what they say or do, it’s always someone elses fault.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly my point.
I would love for anyone who has a job in the corporate world or even close to it, go & employ this theory & see how it is met. There are certain things that some people I feel are too sensitive about, but Dana’s comments do not meet that requirement in my opinion.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t tell other people what they should or shouldn’t be sensitive about, that’s a personal choice. If I offend someone then I can apologize or I can stand behind it but either way I have to be a man and own up to the comment I made. It’s never someone elses fault how they took it it’s my fault for how I said it because I am the one who made the choice to open my mouth.
For a person in the public eye the rules are different, they have to watch what they say because their statements carry more weight and involve more people, when you are running a company your statements can affect everyone who works for you, that’s a lot of power and a lot of risk. Yea it isn’t fair but a lot of responsibility comes with being rich, powerful and famous.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right,
I have been called into my managers office on more than one occasion for an off color joke that someone overheard me telling to one person. Imagine if I posted that joke where everyone could hear it? I had to realize that in the corporate environment my humor is not exactly accepted by everyone & believe me it was not easy.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do find this whole episode rather funny because staff writers here have recently taken to using foul language unnecessarily in their posts. If they can’t control their typed words over situations which they aren’t directly involved in, there’s not much hope. I don’t know if people are taking their cue from Luke – but he has shown to be equally willing to let loose a tirade or two on his radio show over principle (more eloquently with a better choice of words). The message is what’s important, not the specific words used.
Back to the issue of BE’s writers – What would happen if one of them them were made the president/owner of a billion dollar company/industry leader and had a schmuck writer trying to drag him and his company through the mud on a monthly basis? This is not a knock on anyone, just my opinion that most (not all) of the outrage coming from posters and writers alike is coming from those who would end up following the same path.
by bigweeze on Apr 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not think the issue
with Dana is really his cursing (even though it is ridiculous). I have seen many BE writers, ex Luke, Brent, Chris, say they do not have a problem with his cursing. So what exactly is your point here because I am baffled? No one, that I have seen, including writers has raised cane because of his cursing.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey if you've got a multimillion dollar enterprise you want me to fuck up
let’s do this!
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I personally have never seen you guys fucking write any kind of fucking bullshit with any fucking curse mother fucking words in it, so I have no idea what this guy is talking about.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is a fucking liar. I have never seen anyone use a swear word on this website. Much less staff writers.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Apr 3, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is really offended. People just think they need to act offended in order to prove they are caring, modern human beings or something.
by Dropkick434 on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess your using your psychic powers to let us know how other people actually felt about this.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was getting tired of the vlogs anyway – I feel like they just got to be Dana showing off how awesome he was. I’m glad this whole thing is (seemingly) over. I too don’t really care about his feelings towards gays, women, whomever, just so long as he knows to watch his mouth in public. For me it was always an issue about professionalism.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
While I do care about his views, I really just want him to realize his position is very public & he simply cannot say this crap publicly.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Yeah, I should have said I would like him not to hate women, or gays, or whomever, but that’s not what’s at stake here.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, no worries.
I knew what you meant.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to MAN UP, Dana!
I am not sure how many people were outraged(I doubt even GLAAD was outraged), especially in the MMA community. Most fans and media types alike have pretty thick skin and are used to Dana’s mouth. I was more concerned that this type of media exposure would be bad for the sport’s image.
More than that, I was concerned that many of Dana’s fans did not and still do not understand why he can’t say stuff like that w/impunity.
The bottom line is, if you are a public figure and can’t filter what comes out of your mouth, you don’t need to be doing a video blog. Its too bad, because I enjoyed them but if this is the last v-blog, I would say it is probably for the best.
If you are gonna be a leader, if you are gonna be the President of the UFC, you have to be held accountable for your words and actions. Dana was and he apologized. Hopefully, everyone will move on and there will be no long term ill-effects on the sport.
It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear.
by MyFistYourFace on Apr 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I have never really liked Dana White. He has always seemed like the kind of guy that would really annoy me if we met in person. He seems like just another stupid Affliction shirt guy.
That said, he has always been a very compelling figure in my mind.
You can’t argue that the guy is not entertaining. I like seeing the backstage stuff and the fighter reactions and interactions.
I will be sad to see vblogs go (although the term vblog can go to hell).
Hopefully this will not end up being true.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Apr 3, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is what Dana said was inappropriate.
You can argue all day about his meaning behind the word “faggot” but what it boils down to is that the comment were wholly and completely inappropriate and warranted an apology just as cursing in front of your nana would.
He apologized, let the issue die.
by Sergio Hernandez on Apr 3, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about focusing on the endless work and dedication that White displays for our troops rather than worrying about some words
by Josh H. on Apr 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because that is two separate issues. You can talk about both but one doesn’t negate the other (and that goes either way, Dana White is a good man he’s just a guy who’s mouth has a mind of it’s own.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Dana White is a good man he’s just a guy who’s mouth has a mind of it’s own
Right, which is exactly why all parties involved decided it would probably be much better if he did not continue his video blog. I think it was a very good decision & I am glad as it was made as apparently Dana is incapable of controlling himself or this would not need to be done.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think Dana wears his heart on his sleeve and he takes this stuff personally, being in the public eye can’t be easy for someone like that. They really need to hire a public face for the company and just let Dana do his job without all of these distractions, you don’t see Lorenzo Fertitta out there making himself available to the public like that.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
and sadly I believe that is the direction we are headed. Not such a bad thing I suppose, because this could save Dana from Dana.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I never have to
watch Tiki grab guys’ balls again, I’ll be a very happy man.
by Scott Haber on Apr 3, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to read through all of the comments already on the article because I spent far too much time arguing the same points over and over since the story first broke. What I do want to do is write why I really was pushing the issue. And I don’t want to devote an entire new article to the issue because really…it’s enough
It’s simple really. This sport is still small. We’re growing, yes. But we’ve also hit the point where we’ve captured the Spike audience, we’ve got the hardcores on lockdown, we’ve got the pro wrestling crowd….from here we have to go after the more difficult to capture groups such as “the average sports fan.” The move toward mainstream coverage is a big part of this and it’s all a very complicated process.
I “get it” that this issue wasn’t going to take away from the crowd that already watches but maintaining the status quo isn’t what we want. We want growth and expansion. Losing sponsors and having yet another reason to be written off by the mainstream is going to impede the growth that we all want.
This is going to be a good thing for the sport in the end because the tirade happened at a point where rather than cripple the sport it should provide a learning experience for Dana and the rest of the organization that you don’t get to act however you want, you’re a major organization now and must behave accordingly. That is how this situation becomes a positive and a bit part of why I pursued the issue in the way that I did.
The sincerity of the apology never really mattered. It’s that the promotion showed that they “get it” and have to conduct business like professionals and not like untouchable bullies. This is a critical moment in our sport. I know a lot of you are going to say that I’m overstating here but down the road I think that we’ll be able to look back at this time and realize that a necessary step in the maturation process happened when it was realized that in terms of growth past the here and now, professionalism matters.
I also hoped that the situation would be a point for the MMA community as a whole where we could all learn lessons. But really it looks like there was a 50/50 split with some refusing to acknowledge that a higher standard of behavior should be expected from company presidents when talking to the public (the intended consumers of the VLOGS). And now it’s anger at the “PC people” because it appears the VLOG’s are gone. But that’s fine, right now the community making connections and agreeing with my thoughts on this issue is far behind the UFC moving forward in a mature fashion in importance.
This debate never should have been about the meaning of words spoken and I blame myself for getting too caught up in that. The issue isn’t the words, it’s behavioral expectations from a multi-million dollar corporation with designs on becoming something spoke of in the same sentence as the NFL or MLB. The behavior was the problem for me and the words spoken were secondary. Hopefully that clears that up.
Regardless, the apology is out there and we should be able to move forward. It’s simply if we as a community and the UFC as a promotion have learned from the experience that matters.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
this should have been a post
but i agree on the “enough already” part.
good shit main.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Apr 3, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks we chased so many damn red herrings when it’s as simple as words have effects, mind what you say.
Now to remind everyone why we come to this site in the first place:
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all come here to discuss magic pants? :D
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just didn’t know everyone else did too. Those really are some magcal pants.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, as long as Zuffa gets it then this will end up being a good thing.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right,
the apology is out there as requested so it should be accepted & apparently Dana has learned his lesson. Now if we can get all of the BE writers to apologize for fucking cursing in every fucking post the world will be a better place! ;-)
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very green worthy.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone else should have stopped him at some point (not saying it was okay for him ), it’s like nobody even watched the blog before it was released. Obviously he isn’t the only one that fucked up. I’m pretty sure every big companies have counselors in all kind of stuff saying “No, we can’t show this, we can show that”. Nobody watched it and said, “Dana, you crazy *, you can’t talk like a ******* pimp in your blog”.
by spectaa on Apr 3, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There is obviously no one in a position
to stop him that is in that capacity as he has had what ten or twelve of these & in every single one he makes no attempt to clean up his language. Remember who we are talking about here. Dana is not known for taking other peoples advice who are “beneath” him.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well I’m pretty sure his lawyer is, for example. He may be the boss, it’s hard to think he is such a tyrant people can’t tell him when he is running into a wall.
by spectaa on Apr 3, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there was do you think that this would have ever been released?
I am not saying Dana is a tyrant, but he clearly has control issues.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops the post above was meant to be a reply:
That’s my point exactly. IMO There is and it shouldn’t have been release so someone didn’t do his job here. Well it’s harder for me to believe otherwise and you might be right.
by spectaa on Apr 3, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is someone functioning in that capacity
I just do not think that Dana would allow them to alter his blogs, at least until now.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Apr 3, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it just me or did Dana look just a little bit sad when Junie got choked out?
by xDieseLx on Apr 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering Goldberg was forced to say “the sky is the limit!” for the little loser, I’m guessing the UFC isn’t finished pushing him on us yet. Dana McMahon has plans for that heel.
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops!
I meant Dana White.
Honest mistake ;)
by mythbuster on Apr 3, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s actually how Dana looks after every fight. It’s amazing that a guy who flies off the handle as easily as he does can then sit there with an expressionless demeanour while he watches his employees and close friends being knocked senseless. The only times I’ve seen him react to a fight is with anger when the refere is slow on the stoppage.
by rabrown on Apr 3, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my point exactly. IMO There is and it shouldn’t have been release so someone didn’t do his job here. Well it’s harder for me to believe otherwise and you might be right.
by spectaa on Apr 3, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot BE! Those UFC videos he puts up the week of every PPV are entertaining, and now they are gone. I don’t believe he should have apologized. These GLAAD people need to realize it is the 21st century. Don’t be so thin-skinned.
People say faggot all the time. I say faggot all the time. I’ve called gay people a faggot. It has evolved above it’s original meaning. Should I be banned from saying “quit acting retarded” because it is offensive? If women are truly insulted by him called her a bitch, they need to grow up. Don’t be so emotional. It’s just a word. He did not say all women are bitches and belong in the kitchen. He said that she is a bitch.
If everyone didn’t over react so much, we could still have our behind-the-scenes video. I thought those were great, and thanks to all the people at GLAAD who over react if anything that MIGHT be offensive to someone with an IQ lower than 70 that can’t handle a word is uttered, they freak out and demand an apology.
by Swordslasher on Apr 3, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I should follow this up by saying that (except for this situation) I have always thought BE did a great job. It quickly became my favorite MMA site, passing up all the others I knew about in about a day. You do a great job of balancing news stories with interesting pieces about fighters.
I just feel this situation was blown out of proportion, and you guys (and some other MMA sites, but you guys seemed to have the most) posted stories about how horrible the situation is.
by Swordslasher on Apr 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get why you're upset...
but the reality is what YOU do in your day to day life is of considerably less importance than what Dana White does when speaking to the public. Yes, I say things I shouldn’t in my private life from time to time. I don’t do them when representing the company I work for and I’m a schlub in the grand scheme of the corporation I work for. I don’t really care if Dana uses this kind of language all day, every day…but he can’t do it when addressing the public. It’s just stupid business practice to think that he can. And it isn’t healthy for the sport long term if that is the image that a company president is projecting.
Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So passing the buck and blaming other people is better than people actually wanting other people to think before they speak? You’ve blamed GLAAD, you’ve blamed the news, you’ve even blamed this site, heck you have blames pretty much everyone except for the guy who actually had a ill thought out childish rant on his vblog. Lets face it if Dana had used even the slightest of thought before he ran his mouth or if the people at Zuffa had used the slightest of brainpower before they let him post that then there would of never been an incident to get so called “blown out of proportion”. Hell I am thrilled that Dana White is man enough to stand up and take ownership of the things he says and try to make things right, it would be a lot easier for him to just say “it’s all GLAAD’s fault” but then that wouldn’t be correct and it wouldn’t be the adult thing to do.
When did you get to be the guy who gets to tell the world how they should and shouldn’t react to stuff or tell sites how they should cover news (and like it or not this is news)? The attitude you are pushing is just as bad as the thing you are accusing others of. This is the world we live in and this is how it works and blaming all sorts of other people because Dana has decided not to do vblogs anymore is pretty childish.
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never told anyone how to act. I don’t feel Dana did too much wrong. Ya, maybe he went a little over the edge. But people claiming that saying “faggot” is an attack? Complete bull. People saying that “bitch” is an attack on the every woman? Equally retarded.
If he said “You’re gay and you should be ashamed of that. I can’t believe they let women write articles. They should keep having men do that job, because bitches can’t do anything but clean and cook.” Then that would have been offensive.
In movies, directors aren’t criticized for making insulting remarks. There are hundreds of movies that show more racism, homophobia, and sexism than Dana used. Yet they aren’t called out to make public apologies. I just think that a lot of people over reacted way too much over the incident. Some people won’t like it, that’s a given. But, in my opinion, everything was blown out of proportion.
Brent: That is one of the reasons I love this site. You guys interact. You aren’t too good to respond to the posts. Which is another reason I love MMA. Lorenzo has gone to the UG and posted, fighters commonly interact, and Dana is almost always willing to talk to the fans at a show. This helps my opinion that BE is the best MMA site (and MMA is the best sport).
by Swordslasher on Apr 3, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your telling them how they should “react” so yea you actually are even if you didn’t realize that.
Things aren’t perfect and life isn’t fair that’s just how things are, because of that when you are a very visible public figure you have to play by different rules and they aren’t fair or equally applied. Famous people get called out for what they say all the time and when you are responsible for a global billion dollar corporation then choosing your words carefully isn’t too much to ask. If Dana ever wants to change lives with me then I will glady trade the fact that people don’t care what I say about other people for his wealth, fame and power (sounds like a fair trade to me).
by who me on Apr 3, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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