Report: Forrest Griffin vs. Anderson Silva Likely for UFC 101
by Matt13 on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT
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Promoted to the front page from the FanPosts by Chris Nelson. I guess Dana wasn't joking about giving Anderson a serious challenge at 205.
MMA Junkie reports:
The Ultimate Fighting Championship will apparently scrap a UFC 101 bout between former UFC light heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin (16-5 MMA, 7-3 UFC) and top contender Thiago Silva (13-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) in favor of a Griffin vs. Anderson Silva (24-4 MMA, 9-0 UFC) match-up.
This is a great match up and a much-needed test for Anderson Silva, but this is also a huge test for Forrest Griffin. Forrest will be coming into the fight having just lost his title [not to mention coming off hand surgery - ed.] but still regarded as a top ranked light heavyweight and pound for pound fighter. I see Silva being better in almost all aspects of the game but Griffin is one of the biggest if not the biggest light heavyweight in the UFC. My predicition: Anderson Silva via 3rd Round TKO.
UPDATED at 1:29 PM by Chris Nelson: We're hearing conflicting reports on this right now, so take it with a grain of salt for the time being. Junkie has broken stories with their "sources" in the past, but someone close to Forrest just posted on the UG that Forrest has been in contact with him and this fight is absolutely not happening.
Stay tuned...
UPDATE #2 at 2:18 PM by Chris Nelson: Kevin Iole at Yahoo! Sports confirms the bout:
Ultimate Fighting Championship president Dana White made good on his promise to land a significant fight for suddenly under siege middleweight champion Anderson Silva, telling Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday that he had signed a deal for Silva to face ex-light heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin in the co-main event of UFC 101 in Philadelphia on Aug. 2.
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WTF?
Forrest is tougher than anyone that I can think of in MMA, but realistically what shot does he have of defeating Silva? I have respect for Griffin for taking this fight, if it is true, but I really do not see how it would benefit him. Maybe the UFC wants to put Silva against someone they know he will have to fight, but I still see him just picking Forrest apart for 3 rounds.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
My bad...
I was wrong, I guess. My mistake.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
MMA Junkie just got their Silvas crossed. Forrest is scheduled to face Thiago Silva at UFC 102.
Keep firing Assholes!
Akiyama is the Japanese word for Sexify.
Dude who wrote this has his Silva’s crossed.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf? I thought they had pretty much finalized the Thiago Silva bout.
As for this matchup, the auspices portend a great deal of pain for Mr. Griffin. That said, these are the same auspices that suggested that Leites was getting knocked out in the 2nd.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
They did man...
This whole post is wrong…. Forrest is not fighting Anderson Silva. I checked MMA Junkie, Sherdog, Tatame…. nothing about this.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, something must be wrong with my computer at work because this article is not showing on MMA Junkie at all. Last article is something about a radio interview w/ Dan Miller.
The Sherdog Forums are talking about this, but no articles or anything.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
thats about he third article down.. Anderson Silva vs Forrest is at the top then an article about Hermes Franca’s return
Bring Back BA
Major network issue at my work
I see it now…. I apologize.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Your work sucks
and this fight is sick.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My predicition: Anderson Silva via 3rd Round TKO.
I doubt Forrest makes it out of the second round. He’s a notoriously slow starter and I think Anderson beats him in the first.
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sucks that thiago lost a chance to shake off the machida loss and get back in the mix, if this is all true.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Apr 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
Thiago likely still has
Rashad (once he loses to Machida) or Rampage lined up.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Rampage
has the winner of Machida/Evans next, likely in the fall.
Rashad’s a possibility if he loses, but I’d like to see Shogun vs. Thiago
Right, I meant Thiago
likely has the loser of Lyoto-Rashad.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Damn, if true Dana Fucking White and Co delivered!
WAR GRIFFIN!!
I love me some Anderson Silva but dude needs to get roughed up a little for those last 2 “fights”.
:D
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
I love me some Anderson Silva but dude needs to get roughed up a little for those last 2 "fights".
I don’t Forrest Griffin is the guy to do it.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 28, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know but you can’t deny Forrests heart. I just cant see this fight going the Thales/Cote way, which is the point.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a Shogun vs Thiago Silva can happen too.
I have no clue what their Brazilian relationship is like though
Bring Back BA
This is going to be a sweet card
Im betting that Amir Sadollah gets a hangnail and drops off the card tho.
by despisedIcon856 on Apr 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
I do think that Forrest offers some challenges to Silva
in that he does not give up. But this Silva by TKO written all over it as Griffin has no power to threaten Silva with. How could Forrest win? He certainly will not outpoint him, I would not think, & I do not see him doing anything with him on the ground.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I'm not calling this one...
I thought Shogun was gonna kill Forrest, I thought Rampage was gonna beat Forrest to death……. I’m not calling this one, underestimating Forrest Griffin always comes back to bite me in the ass.
So you can’t pull the trigger….Gunslinger? :P
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol....
That made me laugh out loud and everyone in my office is staring at me…
Nope, not pulling the trigger on this one…. Forrest Griffin is like Doc Holliday.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Anderson will be Forrests' Huckleberry!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Not hardly, you are below me! lol
I could not wait on that one.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
:D
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
True,
I should bite my tongue.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Forrest is that badly in need of a win. I mean, aside from the fact that he’ll be a UFC main card staple for as long as he cares to fight and put in effort, he’s 3-1 in his last 4 with wins over Rampage and Shogun. I know, injuries, controversies, bad judging, etc. etc….. But a single loss to Rashad in a fight where he won the first round (despite breaking his hand) doesn’t diminish Forrest that much. It’s a reasonable risk to take given that the prestige that he would earn from taking out Anderson would shoot him right to the front of the 205 line.
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by AJB on Apr 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the kind of thing I was talking about with regard to some of your comments crossing over into trolling.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 28, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which is why I read subo posts (before anyone beats me to it).
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
probably false
Forrest’s friend said on the UG that this fight isn’t happening
I saw that but I’m hesitant to believe it after the UG was the source of the “Chuck toe breaking” news hours before UFC 97.
If it is true though, the guy makes it sound like Forrest is not fighting Anderson but that there is some sort of news. Maybe they scrapped Forrest/Thiago and will figure out matchups from the pool of Anderson/Forrest/Shogun/Jardine/Cane/Thiago.
if this happens i think it's a smart move.
- decent test for silva
- griffin’s popularity will help the ppv numbers
i’m curious to see what kind of game plan the couture crew will put together. glad they’re not rushing the superfight with gsp either.
sounds like it’s fake to me which is a shame because if anything can repair the damage done to Anderson’s rep in his last fight would be a fight against a popular high-profile fighter like Forrest.
I don’t normally like Forrest but I’d actually cheer for him in this fight.
Sadly it doesn’t look like it’s the case.
I have my doubts about this, just because from a business perspective it’s dumb, and names like Jardine, Cane, and Thiago Silva were the types of 205’s I heard.
Silva is no buys, forrest is one of the top 3-5 draws in the company. Risking a guy with a huge potential for a guy who kills business and is going to retire soon. So many good Forrest main events they can do on the horizon if he gets a couple wins, no sense in this, except for the fact that it is a fun fight.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Your Anderson Silva hate is starting to get a little old.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
He’s terrible on PPV, Chuck drew this entire past buyrate on his own, Anderson went along for the ride and will benefit from it.
There’s (true) stories emerging online of the UFC’s internal polling showing Silva’s drawing potential below guys on the status of Jon Fitch after his last performance. You can’t rip people off twice and expect them to keep paying.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Between Forrest and the BJ/Florian fight, I’m sure they can afford to put him on this PPV. If anything, this will help because it’s just one less PPV that Anderson would be headlining by himself I.E. Silva/Cote
by Zack Gobie on Apr 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yet
He is the most decorative and and successful UFC fighter/champion ever.
Interesting to point out.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Something else to point out though:
The average casual UFC fan has the memory span of a goldfish with Alzheimers.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can a goldfish have Alzheimers? That’s really true though. If Silva goes out and demolishes someone with a decent rep, he’ll be back in the good graces of fans.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They can. Mine forgot that it couldn’t breath air when it jumped out of the bowl.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he “decorative” like a wreath or something?
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a ballet of violance clothed in fine Brazilian silk.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I now have a sig!
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on Apr 28, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want Anderson Silva to defend his title every time out.
I have no interest in seeing Anderson Silva fight at 205. Stick Nate Marquardt back in there. It was entertaining when he fought James Irving but it was nothing more then that.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
*irvin
but yeah, I’d kind of like to see a Marquardt rematch. I’m into the idea of this fight for some reason though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You want to be taken seriously a solid MMA-orientated site..
..then dont post rumours of fights supposedly happening without sources, especially if MMABay comes up with the ‘scoop’ a few days ago..
You are so wise.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What does journalism have to do with this?
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Me, I was wondering what “orientated” means…
by madiq on Apr 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think he thought the fight was going to be in asia
from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe
Thanks for the tip.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Iole is confirming this is happening...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-silvagriffin042809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
At least we can stop arguing about this being real or not,
no matter how people feel about the actual fight.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
*does Diego Sanchez YES
YES!!!
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This shit is pissing me off.
When the hell does Okami get his title shot, then? IMO, he should be getting it right away, before the winner of Hendo/ Bisping, before Maia, before Marquardt.
This is just ridiculous. Yushin get’s passed up in favor of Leites- and now Silva is (for no apparent reason) going to 205 to fight Forrest? How does that make any sense?
GIVE OKAMI HIS DAMN TITLE SHOT!
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
Isn’t Okami’s biggest win in the UFC over Mike Swick?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry...
but Okami was more impressive in a loss to Rich Franklin than any of his wins.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of agree
I have no interest in seeing Anderson Silva fighting at 205.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
I think the UFC is thinking more along the lines
of how to get the most out of Silva, in terms of PPV, and less about who might deserve what.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And besides what the UFC is thinking, you have to think about what Anderson is thinking.
Anderson has been leaning towards the Roy Jones fight because of money, so to make him happy, he got a deal with the UFC that had a PPV cut. But when he’s headlining a card, the PPV buys suck, so he’s still not happy.
This is probably the biggest PPV seller that the UFC can do with him, and that means it gets Anderson the most money. This will get Anderson more money than fighting Okami, Marquardt, Lister, or any other MW, and that’s what matters to him. Just like Brock Randy was able to get more money for Randy than anything else that was possible at the time, so Randy took the fight.
People need to stop putting all the blame on the UFC when matchups are announced, Anderson is taking the fight, that means something.
If Forrest doesn’t engage Anderson then we have a problem
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
That is probably the main reason for this fight in
the UFC’s view. If anything, Forrest is known for going after it with everything he has.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
From the UFC's point of view,
what business objections would there be? Other than GSP vs Silva, what better draw could there be for Silva? I do not see Silva vs Jardine, Cane or whomever having half the draw that this card should have.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
the objection is just that forrest is a real draw, and you’re going to murder him for a guy who can’t draw flies to shit. But I think Forrest is so beloved he can recover from losses.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you may be right
but I think the UFC thinks the same way that you do, that even if Forrest loses it will not hurt him that much. Plus, if Forrest does win, imagine the drawing power he will garner & then make his upcoming title shot HUGE.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I just don’t see Forrest losing much steam from a loss to Anderson, especially if it’s close. It’s is interesting due to the size of Forrest, and you can pretty much bank on him sticking to a solid gameplan as much as possible. I’m excited about this.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Anderson Silva v. the last LHW Champion!
Story writes itself.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I just had a minigasm...
yea. I said it.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Clinch is going to be tough on a guy as big as Forrest, and at the distance he fights at.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Rome.
Forrest is one of the biggest and strongest LHWs so the clinch game may not be smart.
I see a lot of head kicks...
and front kicks…. Forrest has a tendency of dropping his hands at the wrong time and getting caught. He’ll have to be quicker with his kicks if he doesn’t want to get caught like James Irvin did.
This is going to be a very interesting fight.
front kicks
were the first thing that popped into my head when I read about this matchup
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that Forrest could really have any more damage done to that nose of his but I see him letting a front kick get through his hands and landing solidly in the nose.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
if this is true
it means i’ll have to purchase another UFC PPV featuring Anderson Silva. Forrest is probably just the right guy to bring out an aggressive Silva. i don’t think Forrest wins — not at all — but it’ll be a competitive, fun, action-filled fight for about two rounds.
or i could be wrong.
Pretty damn solid show on paper...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
so was the last Penn headlined card
but I dont expect to see that again
from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe
don’t expect to see what again?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
i didnt really think it ws bad
but it was nothing special at all either in my opinion. definitely no where near warranting the hype
from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe
Okay, sure, but the previous Penn-headlined card was “Ill Will” and THAT was one of the baddest, ass-kicking-est, full-on entertaining cards in a long time. So, that’s one amazing and one so-so card headlined by Penn in the last two.
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This fight will be exciting..
If Forrest wins it makes it easy to promote him for another title shot, but if Anderson win it does the same, so it’s a win-win situation.
Anderson fighting at 205 for title would be exciting, or if he fought Evans (if Evans loses to Machida) or perhaps he can fight Rampage if Machida/Evans turns out with long medical suspension etc.
Anderson Silva vs Rampage
I think them announcing that fight would cause a blood vessel to pop in my brain…
I have blind loyalty to Rampage… but even I couldn’t ignore the carnage that could happen from that fight.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
(I can translate later, but the article is just about Jacare vs. Mayhem at DREAM.9 and nothing to do with Forrest.)
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How can Forrest win? While the clinch game may not be smart on Anderson’s part I do think that he can hold his own and inflict damage on Forrest if it ends up there. Forrest can’t keep distance the whole fight and try to out box/kickbox him or he’ll lose on points or get caught with some of Silva’s precise striking. I think Forrest’s best chance at victory will be to take him down and make him work off his back consistently while giving him a good healthy dose of g ‘n’ p. I know that will be a tall task but I don’t see any other way for Forrest to win. Unless we are treated to another bizzaro Silva performance.
I think there are a number of ways for Forrest to win. Don’t forget people asked the same question before the Quinton fight. This is only a 3 round fight, Forrest winning a decision is a real possibility. His style scores really well on judge scorecards because he throws in high volume. He will have a size advantage and could try to work a Randy style strategy against the fence to take Silva down, Forrest has the wrestling to get Silva down.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is 3 rounds enough for Forrest
to beat Silva on points? I would not think so, but I do like Forrest.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Honestly, in a 3 round fight against Leites…Silva would have won a split decision, one judge gave rounds 1 and 2 to Leites. He better get on the ball faster here.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably true,
but I think that Silva respects Forrest & will be aggressive once they settle in. I just wonder if Forrest can withstand a barrage of strikes if Silva really opens up on him.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I’m not sure that Silva has more power in his hands than Quinton. He might, but I have doubts about that, especially after seeing Cote take some shots just fine. He usually does well landing a series of shots, but in the last 2 fights he’s been throwing one strike at a time.
by Michael Rome on Apr 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not more raw power than Quinton,
but I was speaking about Silva’s combination of hand/knee/foot strikes. Forrest might get in real trouble if he gets drilled with multiple shots & from what we all have heard, Cote’s chin & Forrest’s are not exactly on the same level.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
lol, you may be right.
But I would think the step up in competition would awaken The Spider. If it does not, then I think we all know where he is heading (RJJ).
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
In a three round fight, assuming Silva won 4 and 5 this last time. the result would have been 29-28 Silva, 29-28 Leties, and 29-29. a draw.
Not a big deal, I had Silva win it, but your point is totally valid. He needs to score first and get it done. He can’t sit back forever when its only three rounds. He is going to have to “Jardine” Forest. Test his chin. Forest has issues with taking punches. He is good at it, but it may be his downfall in this one.
And honestly, who scores a round 10-10?
And honestly, who scores a round 10-10?
Well educated judges? When called for obviously.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bah...
I’ve always been of the opinion that there are almost no cases where a 10-10 round is called for
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think there should just be a lot more 10-8, 10-7, etc
from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe
Agreed.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 28, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan Breen.
But seriously, there should be more 10-10 rounds. If a round is “too close to call,” then it merits a 10-10, rather than being put on par with a round where one fighter clearly wins.
Open up the scoring then, 10-10 should be done more, but also should 10-8, 10-7, 10-6, ect. How was one round a 10-10 and not another in that fight. I just beg for more consistancy. But the rules regaurding scoreing don’t allow for a 10-10. The winner of the round gets 10, and his opponet 9 or less. We hear goldberg spit that shit every event.
Because it skews the scoring totals. Fighters shouldn’t be penalized for not definitively winning the round, which is what a 2-2 or 8-8 round would do. And in a three-round fight, where the first two rounds are razor-thin, better that they be tied 20-20 going into the third (the righteous result), than one fighter potentially being down 20-18 on a judge’s scorecard, while potentially winning the fight 20-18 on another judge’s scorecard (which renders the third round meaningless). In the first instance, the third round becomes the crucial round that determines the fight; winning it convincingly scores the fight in your favor.
More liberal use of 10-10 rounds might lead to more draws, but they’d cut down on guys getting screwed in decision losses when they clearly take the final round.
by madiq on Apr 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
they say that the round winner must be given 10 points. if it isn’t clear who “wins” then a 10-10 round means both guys “won” the round. But still…I don’t like 10-10 scoring
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
both guys can’t win a round, this isn’t tee-ball. I think they both, however, can lose the round for sucking hard. (its been a rough day, I am on edge and have zero patients.)
I'm reporting you to the AMA.
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Personally, I’d like to see more deductions for infractions; imagine if Lavigne had actually deducted points from the fighters in Silva-Leites for stalling, inactivity, refusing to engage, etc. Maybe they actually would have had to try and win for lack of knowing whether or not they were ahead on points. Of course, THAT assumes having enough competent refs to handle that, and I imagine we’d actually get a more NBA-style result (ie, “look at me, I’m the decider – foul!”).
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by AJB on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
I’d love to see a yellow card system with point/purse deductions.
Maybe in a few years when refs can be trusted with such power.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
NO!
Point deductions…fine. Purse deductions…no fucking way
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a good point. I had forgotten that it wouldn’t be a five rounder. Looks like we are on the same page as far as game plans go though. If Forrest can get him down and keep him there I see him winning a decision. The fact that it’s a three round fight is going to make Silva go after it. He can ill afford to start off slow and give away the first round. They are both going to have to come after it big time. Another thing I’d work on if I were Forrest is head movement and bobbing and weaving. If you can make Silva miss with his first shot you can take him down.
Would I put money on Forest?
No, absolutely not. But if I know one thing its not expect anything from Forest, whether it be to win or to lose.
from the forest itself comes the handle for the axe
Speaking of money, I wonder what the odds will open at. I’d guess Anderson at around -200, but I could be way off.
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I’m guessing maybe even less. Basically if you want to bet Silva jump in early because the line will open low and move up as the smart money comes in and then back down to forrest as the more casual money comes in closer to fight time.
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The one thing I can’t help but go back to is the fact that Forrest have never been known to have ko power so I think that’s something that will hinder him in this fight. I think it will possibly make Silva more aggressive thinking that he doesn’t have the power to hurt him.
I don’t think either of them have “one punch” KO power (generally) like, say, Rampage. But both of them have enough power to back guys up, and both launch salvos. The difference is likely to be A) Silva is way more accurate with his combos, OR B) he’s never had to deal with someone of Forrest’s size before and Silva won’t be able to punch in bunches without getting tagged in return. Wait and see…
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I definitely don’t see Forrest knocking him out, I really don’t know how much he’ll even be able to hit Silva, but like Rome said he could pull a Randy strategy out and get him against the fence and take him down. He could also try some dirty boxing but I think that plays right into Silva’s hands. This is the first fight that I’ve been genuinely excited to see since Lesnar vs. Randy.
I don’t know how to make a fanpost or anything like that but over on MMABAY they have some quotes from both DW and Soares. Soares said that this is exactly the fight Silva was wanting and he’s very excited to fight “a total package” like Forrest.
MMABay is garbage.
Their quotes are probably lifted from Iole’s story on Yahoo, ’cause no way are they getting scoops from Dana White.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, and that’s exactly where they were from. When I first saw the rumor of this on there I discounted it immediately. Now they are crowing about how they had the scoop first on this.
Just went over there and saw that. Bleh.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t go over there to much Chris. I don’t want the good MMA minds over here at BE to be poisoned by that place. HAHA! I don’t go over there to much unless it’s slow and I’m bored.
Iole’s article also notes that Dana is trying to sign a middleweight that would “blow your mind”. Let the rampant speculation begin!
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Everyone realizes that the REASON
the Spider’s last 2 fights were disappointing (some have said “boring”) was due to the fact that the challenger’s were totally out-classed and undeserving of a title shot, right? Remember when Micheal Jordan retired to go play baseball for two years? RJJ is Anderson’s “I want to play baseball”. The very best in the world need to be challenged to be their very best. Anderson fought smart, fought with amazing technical proficiency (particularly in the Leites fight, where he was checking kicks and punches and was totally dominant both standing and on the ground), but was met with little to no resistance. It takes two to fight and Anderson was doing his part in both of these fights. Cote unfortunately hurt himself, Leites was demoralized and showed no heart.
I was hoping for a fight with GSP after the perfect setup in Montreal… The crowd chanting G-S-P! and Anderson coming in at 183 lbs…. a fight at 205 is less appealing, since he’s stated he has no interest in the division (it is Machida’s, I think he said). That said, the matchup with Forrest is VERY dangerous for Anderson, mainly because Forrest is such a big guy and I can see him controlling the tempo, working against the cage, and doing some g’n’p…. ultimately to a decision victory. Anderson will have trouble getting a KO, but could catch a submission from the ground.
And yes, I have a complete and total man-crush on Anderson Silva. He is my boy.
by senorpuma on Apr 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok, i’ll go out and call it right now Forrest by Decision and Florian by either TKO or sub that’s right there are going to be alot of excuses coming from the BJ/Anderson fans after UFC 101.
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