Report: Nick Diaz vs. Scott Smith, Overeem vs. Rogers Added to June Strikeforce Event
Added to the front page by Brent Brookhouse, edits to the article were made by Chris Nelson.
Thanks to Carmichael Dave for this one:
The Strikeforce June 6th card featuring Robbie Lawler vs Jake Shields just got a major dose of Northern California flair.
Scott Smith of Elk Grove, CA is set to fight Stockton’s Nick Diaz, at a catch-weight of 180 pounds.
. . .
Also added to the card, Brett Rogers and Alistair Overeem with fight for the Stikeforce heavyweight title.
Here is what the blockbuster June 6th card looks like for Strikeforce:

ROCKSTAR ENERGY DRINK PRESENTS LAWLER VS. SHIELDS Scottrade Center – St. Louis, MO
Saturday, June 6, 2009 – 9:00PM (CST) - prelims at 7:00PM LIVE ON SHOWTIME SPORTS!
MAIN CARD (BEGINNING AT 9:00PM - CST):
Robbie Lawler (16-4) vs. Jake Shields (22-4-1)
Alistair Overeem (29-11) vs. Brett Rogers (9-0) [HW Title Fight]
Nick Diaz (19-7) vs. Scott Smith (15-5) - 180Lbs
Phil "New York Bad Ass" Baroni (13-10) vs. Joe "Diesel" Riggs (29-10)
Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante (7-1) vs. Jared Hamman (10-1)
UNDERCARD (BEGINNING AT APPROXIMATELY 7:00PM – CST)
Jesse Finney (3-0) vs. Josh Bumgarner (7-0)
Tyron "Tabasco" Woodley (1-0) vs. Sal Woods (3-5)
Scott Ventimiglia (12-5-1) vs. Lucas Lopes (7-8)
Pat Benson (2-5-2) vs. Dave Cochran (16-18)
Booker DeRousse (1-1) vs. James Wade (5-6)
If what is being reported is true, Strikeforce has done a great job in assembling their first blockbuster card. There was some real uncertainty for this event after Babalu dropped out of a LHW title fight with the Anderson Silva prodigy, Rafael Feijao due to labor problems his wife is currently having, but Strikeforce quickly inserted Jared Hamman, a 10-1 top prospect that recently brutalized BJ Penn trained standout, Poai Suganuma, in EliteXC last year.
The addition of Nick Diaz vs Scott Smith, a guaranteed blockbuster, will surely add more explosives to the fight card. Both men are coming into this fight with memorable victories over ( Nick over Shamrock and Smith over Radach) in the last Showtime Strikeforce event, and will have many declare it as a favorite for FOTN or FOTY candidate. The last matchup added was Strikeforce's HW champion, Alistair Overeem taking on the highly touted, undefeated, and heavy handed Brett Rogers for the HW title.
It looks like the June 6th event will be Strikeforce's first blockbuster card, and it looks like they will be able to accomplish it without using either Gina Carano or Kimbo Slice, which is something EliteXC was never quite able to do.
UPDATE by Chris Nelson: 5oz. reports that Overeem vs. Rogers has not yet been signed.
UPDATE 2 by MMASuPreMaCy: MMAJunkie is reporting that Joey Villasenor vs Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos has an 85% chance of taking place on this card as well.
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Surprised they wouldn't save the HW title for CBS
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Apr 27, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do they have the date for the 1st CBS show yet?
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by Rundownloser on Apr 27, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, maybe July/September?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Apr 27, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just what I was thinking.
I think this would be a perfect candidate for an inaugural CBS show for Strikeforce, and they now have enough time to hype it up, and really make it into a coming out party.
They might be biding their time so that they can really build up a few solid divisions before they have a CBS show, though.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edited the post a little. Try not to quote full articles. :)
Otherwise – damn. Huge additions to the card. Diaz might actually have to use his BJJ against Smith.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 27, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Sorry, I was still in the process of editing the article.
Couldn’t wait to break the news to you guys! =)
Almost as good as Hello Japan…
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries at all. Thanks for the heads up!
by Chris Nelson on Apr 27, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the Overeem/Rogers fight is still unsigned.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they have Overeem vs Rogers or even better Overeem vs Werdum, I would be happy either way!
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably prefer the Werdum bout, but Strikeforce should do the Rogers bout. It would appeal more to the casual fans and would get Overeem’s hypetrain some steam.
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by Rundownloser on Apr 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might as well crown diaz their "catchweight champion" if he wins
and i have tremendous respect for brett rogers, but i don’t see him fairing well against overeem
by woooburn on Apr 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogers/Overeem is going to have fireworks. Too bad it won’t be the kind of fireworks that Rogers wants.
Overeem by destruction of an amazing nature.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But Overeem doesn’t have the greatest chin and Rogers has great power in his hands, so if he catches Overeem, it could be lights out for him as well. Definitely a fight you would think Overeem should win, but Rogers definitely has the KO power to turn off Overeem’s lights out.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that Overeem has a pretty decent chin.
He’s only been KO’d when he gassed. Gassed against Sergei, got punched HARD in the back of the head, flew through the ropes. Gassed against Shogun, got taken down and controlled on the ground, and got flying superman punched from the guard right on the button. Gassed against Chuck, got rocked by one of the most picture perfect OHR’s in the history of MMA, and then got drilled with right hands. Gassed against Lil Nog, and got beat down by a savage flurry.
He’s taken some good shots in the past, it’s just that he get’s KO’d when he puts his hands down and breaths through his mouth.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s taken some good shots in the past, it’s just that he get’s KO’d when he puts his hands down and breaths through his mouth.
Pretty much. Overeem has looked amazing since getting used to being a Heavyweight. The guy is a superstar. The second best Heavyweight in the world, in my opinion, right now.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but he needs to have the right gameplan against Rogers.
If he tires out Rogers, then he can have his way on the ground or on the clinch.
If he lets Rogers thrown, I think Rogers has probably got some of the heaviest hands of any HW, then I think Overeem will always run the risk of getting hit with an overhand right.
I am not really saying Overeem has a horrible chin, but more like Rogers has some real power behind him. Like I said, if Overeem takes him down and GnP’s him or subs him, it should be a quick a pretty manageable fight for him.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call.
That’s pretty much exactly what I think of the fight.
Still, i’ll take Overeem 80/20.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a little too soon...
to call him the world’s 2’nd best MMA HW.
Because he hasn’t beat high quality opposition (in MMA) yet for anyone to know that. Has he looked like an absolute monster? Absolutely. But in his current HW run, he’s already gotten KTFO by Sergei, and only has wins over Buentello, Hunt, Tae Hyun Lee, and Goodridge (as well as the NC w/ Mirko). 1 more solid win, and i’d put him in the HW top 5.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My picks.
I think Overeem absolutely pushes Roger’s shit in. Brett is making a quantum leap in competition right here, and Overeem is a guy who is just as big and strong as he is. Honestly, Overeem by whatever he wants.
Diaz/ Smith just isn’t a fight that makes sense to me at this point in time. IMO, Nick’s perfect fighting weight is 170, and if he gets brutally dispatched by Smith (which I think he will), then he’ll drop down to that weight. I don’t really see him taking Scott down, and Smith has a good enough chin and heart to take however many peppering shots Diaz throws to land one hard shot that puts Nick’s lights out. I just don’t see ND’s style working against guys who he doesn’t have a reach advantage over, especially when Smith will probably have a good 15+ lbs on him.
Personally, I would love to see Diaz vs. Baroni, or even a rematch with Riggs (depending on who wins the fight between NYBA and Diesel) for the WW title.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1) Overeem doesn’t have the greatest chin and Rogers has great power in his hands, so if he catches Overeem, it could be lights out for him as well.
2) Diaz vs Smith is a pretty good fight, and their won’t be a size disadvantage here (both will be similar in size). This will be a perfect fight for Diaz to take someone down and showcase his BJJ, so it should be a very good fight.
3) I am pretty sure they will setup Diaz vs Riggs/Baroni winner VERY soon after this event.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid points, but...
1) As I said in a previous post, Overeem has a fine chin. He’s really only been knocked out by huge punches, thrown when he was gassed. That said, Rogers does have a punching chance, especially if he comes in great shape, and Overeem doesn’t. I’m expecting Alistair to bully Rogers in the clinch, take him down occasionally, and work some mean GnP, for a 2’nd round (T)KO, after a pretty one- sided first round.
2) Diaz doesn’t have very good takedowns, and Smith has decent wrestling, so Nick might not have the chance to use his Jits. Also, Smith and Diaz are the same height, but i’d say that Scott has a good deal more muscle than our friend from Stockton. Smith cuts to MW, and Nick didn’t cut an ounce to make 180. Without steroids, it’ll be nearly impossible for Diaz to make up for that weight disadvantage in lean mass.
and
3) I expect the winner of Riggs v. Baroni to face Diaz next, even if Nick loses. I’m hoping it’s at 170.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Overeem has faced K-1 fighters and is considered one of the better kickboxers in the sport. Rogers is real green and word on the street is that his chin ain’t anything special.
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by Rundownloser on Apr 27, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alistair's showings against Hari and Bonjasky were nothing but impressive...
however, Hari was just 3 weeks out of the K-1 GP (which is extremely exhausting), and doesn’t have the greatest chin.
Bonjasky won in a close fight, coming in with a legit knee injury.
But yeah, I def think that Overeem takes the fight against Rogers.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Diaz won’t fight Jake Shields or Gilbert Melendez which pretty much rules out title runs in Lightweight and Welterweight in Strikeforce for him. I wonder if these 180lb catch weight fights are him trying to build up to fight at middleweight to avoid his training partners.
by who me on Apr 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
Shields is trying to figure out whether he can fight at 185lbs. If he loses or does badly, he will go back to 170. If he does well, he will stay. Diaz will most likely go to the class were Shields is not in. Also, there is no way Diaz can make 155 anymore (strikeforce LW’s are not at 160), so he will never fight Melendez.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is also the possibility of Shields going to the UFC if he wins and they work something out, which would probably mean that Diaz will stick around at WW (170lbs).
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Shields is planning on finishing his contract and heading for the UFC then Nick should stay at 170 (which is where he belongs). Shields was the big reason Nick moved down to EliteXC’s silly 160lb lightweight division (I agree 155 is too much of a stretch for him now). There are some good match ups at 185 for Diaz too though and Strikeforce’s divisions are thin enough that he could fight in both divisions (and/or these odd catchweight fights) for a while.
by who me on Apr 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
It may not look like it, but Diaz actually is a pretty big guy.
Recently chatted with Jake, and he said something along the lines that Nick would rather fight 180-pound catchweights or in the MW division, especially with Jake in the SF WW division. Even if Jake eventually leaves for the UFC, he may still not be interested in moving down to the WW division, as he apparently likes being at a heavier weight.
by Michael Hatamoto on Apr 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Diaz might get eaten up by some of the Middleweights out there but in Strikeforce he could easily fight in both divisions if he wanted to. Diaz vs Lawler 2 would be interesting.
by who me on Apr 28, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This kind of makes the whole situation intriguing.
Because both Diaz and Shields are guys who could potentially be in either weight class (WW or MW), but they would both do better at 170 (IMO). I also think that out of the 2 of them, Shields is better suited for 185, but only time will tell.
Can’t wait for Shields/ Lawler.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz, Shields, and Melendez are all training partners. Diaz won’t go for the 170 or 155 title, so he is probably doing these catchweight fights while building himself up to a MW. He is young and thin enough to get a lot bigger with time
by EazyEismydad on Apr 27, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO...
Diaz is better suited for 170. Shields has a better frame for 185, plain and simple.
If Jake beats Lawler, then it would make complete sense for him to stay at Middleweight. Otherwise, he could go back to Welter, while Nick tries his hand at ’85.
Either way, I think it works out better for them if they’re in different Orgs. Seems like the only real way to make their similarity in size a non- issue.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Front paged...
big news here
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 27, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- So much catchweight nonsense. Can’t they find any WWs for Diaz to fight?
- Overeem/Rogers isn’t that compelling. Rogers is still waaaaaaay too green and has really never fought anyone close to Alistair’s level. That fight is basically a slaughter waiting to happen.
- Lawler/Shields is still a great fight.
by ilostmydog on Apr 27, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1) Catchweights bug me too, but in an org like SF, they can’t consistently put on Main- Event worthy fights within the same weight classes all the time.
2) Overeem/ Rogers is interesting to me, because we’ll get to see Ubereem fight a quality HW, and (slim chance) it could also be a coming out party for Brett Rogers (who is a decent prospect at this point in time). I would’ve much rather have seen a Werdum rematch, and to have Rogers fight someone like Pee Wee Herman (not sure if he’s been picked up by Strikeforce).
3) Word. I honestly don’t know who to pick at this point in time.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color me excited
I might have to order showtime for this event
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by Day Man on Apr 27, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Calling it now:
Smith by KO.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 27, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Diaz will pick Smith apart from outside.
Radich was out boxing Smith throughout their fight and Radach doesn’t have the reach of Diaz who is a good boxer. Nick Diaz by UD.
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by Warhand on Apr 27, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
Diaz and Smith are pretty much the same height.
Nick is too small for 180 (and MW, for that matter). Smith is the perfect size for 180. IMO, Diaz might pepper him with a few shots, but Scott will get in some good kicks in the meantime, and I think it’s just a matter of time before Smith catches him with a big shot.
ND’s best shot in this fight is to play it safe in the standup, pepper Scott with his unorthodox (but effective) boxing, and then take him down once Smith tries to close the distance. From there, he’ll be able to work his ground game, and should either sub Smith or grind out a decision. However, Smith has pretty good wrestling, and Diaz, well… doesn’t.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz has much better wrestling than Smith.
by George Lucas on Apr 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ima have to disagree...
SS has pretty damn good takedown defense, and Diaz has relatively subpar takedown skills.
Diaz is pretty slick in transitions, and is good at catching kicks, or getting a guy down in a scramble, but I don’t see him getting Smith down consistently.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling it now:
Diaz by unstoppable cardio!
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by Hokieblitz on Apr 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has unstoppable cardio because he never sits on his punches.
I can sit here and play paddycake for 25 minutes, too.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that...
Diaz does have very good cardio. And he has some very effective boxing. Just because he doesn’t knock guys out with one big punch doesn’t mean he’s not exerting himself.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 28, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does not have effective boxing.
He has pitty-pat boxing. As does his brother.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to
Robbie Lawler
Gomi
Frank Shammy
Gleison Tibau
and Drew Fickett
All quality opponents that he boxed up.
By no means am I a Nick Diaz fanboy, but his boxing obviously works. It’s frustrating.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 29, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawler was before he went to this new style.
Gomi gave as good as he got. Both of them were fucked up after that because neither of them used any defense, i.e. BOXED.
Shamrock was a sitting duck. Had more to do with his ineffectiveness than Diaz’s effectiveness.
Teibau is a grappler. Anytime he stands with somebody it’s not going to go well.
Fickett, again, before he started striking like an amateur boxer. (“Amateur” as in striking for points rather than effect, NOT unprofessional, though he’s that, too.)
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 29, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can discount any win, from any fighter...
because there are always mitigating circumstances. Nothing in this sport ever happens under ideal conditions.
The fact of the matter is, Diaz beat all those guys, and his striking was a big factor in those fights.
Like i’ve said, i’m not a Diaz nuthugger, but his boxing is very effective in MMA. He’s trained with boxing greats like Luisito Espinosa (former WBC and WBA champ), and Olympic Gold Medalist Andre Ward.
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by ElliotMatheny on Apr 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey Villasenor vs. Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
is also likely for this card, according to MMA Junkie
Will Strikeforce end up televising 6 fights? The Junkie report indicates that Villasenor-Santos will end up on the televised card if it happens.
by Scott Haber on Apr 27, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I read too, but either Feijao vs Hamman or Villasenor vs Santos are going to have to be moved to another card, or else they won’t make it on the televised portion of the card, which wouldn’t do anyone any good.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
for a growing promotion they can’t have any potential stars or legit fights not televised.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Added an update for this post.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is what I’m talking about baby! Man its good to have 2 major players in the US MMA scene! Hopefully that Overeem fight gets signed.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont quite understand how Strikeforce always has their title fights as the second billing on their cards. Shouldnt a heavyweight title fight be a headliner over a catchweight fight of two guys who are former elite xc champs? The main card is definitely stacked and i will surely be watching but it is pretty evident to me how much deeper the ufc talent pool is than strikeforce though.
by Matt13 on Apr 27, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP vs Penn and Silva vs GSP would be headliners in the UFC over a title fight.
I like what Strikeforce is doing, which is giving the fights BIG fights and giving its fighters some room to find the weight class they feel comfortable in.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I meant if it weren’t a title fight, I am sure they would still be the main events.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if the UFC has ever put a title fight second, of course the two you mentioned they would want to be title fights so they could get 5 rounds and if they weren’t they would probably use them to headline cards that didn’t have title fights on them. Strikeforce doesn’t have that kind of wiggle room and a lot of their champions just aren’t the actual stars on their shows, hopefully that will change as they get divisions developed and titles worked out.
by who me on Apr 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In instances where multiple title fights were on a card, they haven’t always put them as Co-Main events. UFC 73 is the only one that leaps to mind, though Hughes fought third at UFC 56, but that was when Riggs missed weight, so I don’t know if it was always supposed to be 3rd.
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by themachiavellian on Apr 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if it was always supposed to be 3rd.
A main event is a main event is a main event. I actually think Gonzaga-Jordan was a swing bout that got squeezed in there.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know – that was right before I got into MMA (it showed off Rich & Hughes from TUF 2, which was the finale that hooked me), so I was a lowly n00b.
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by themachiavellian on Apr 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silva vs Marquardt was the main event of UFC 73, the Kenny Florian fight got delayed but the show wasn’t booked that way. There still was a title fight as the last fight at UFC 56(Franklin vs Quarry).
by who me on Apr 28, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 73 went Sherk/Franca, then Ortiz/Evans, then Silva/Marquardt – I would have expected both title fights to end the night (overlooking Florian being tagged onto the end – why did that happen, anyway?)
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by themachiavellian on Apr 28, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florian-Robinson was supposed to be on the live card, before the main events, but the other four fights on the main card all ran late. The first three went to a decision and it pushed Florian’s fight back because of the fact that they had to have SIlva defend his title before the telecast when off the air. When the first three fights go the distance, which compiled of eleven rounds, then it became apparent that Florian’s fight would be delayed until after the main event. It basically got transitioned into the “swing bout” role.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 28, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant “went” not “when”. Tiredness creeping in.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 28, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really good card, especially if Overeem and Rogers do end up fighting. I like Diaz and Overeem, and I’m leaning toward Lawler beating Shields. Good work, Strikeforce.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You go Overeem
and get that contract out of the way so you can go to the UFC!
/Zuffa fanboy
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by J. B. Maddox on Apr 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who thinks Rogers makes it out of the first round is insane. Overeem is going to make him crumble.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. This looks like it has all the potential in the world to be a pretty epic card.
by Kierkegaard on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

















