Best Fight Saturday Night? Jermain Taylor vs. Carl Froch
We've talked in the past about enjoying boxing and the fact that MMA (and boxing) fans need to let go of this stupid boxing vs. MMA mindset. They are different sports under the combat sports umbrella. As we cover K-1 and occasionally will talk boxing I've always considered BloodyElbow to be a combat sports blog more than simply an MMA blog. When there is a combat sports event that deserves mention I will go out of my way to give it that mention.
Last night we had a full schedule of regional MMA shows but nothing was on the level of importance of the WBC Super Middleweight title bout between Jermain Taylor and Carl Froch. And nothing that I have watched from last night has matched it in drama and excitement. I'm going to bury the results of the fight in the extended entry but I just want to give a shout out to BadLeftHook who has great coverage of the event including talk of a rematch. But let me say this for those of you with Showtime, track down the replay. It's worth your time.
Now for those of you that chose to peep the results here are some highlights from BadLeftHook's recap:
Taylor (28-3-1, 17 KO) lost his third fight in his last four outings, and it came with the same questions that were raised against Kelly Pavlik. Taylor started hot and was downright dominating Froch for much of the fight. I had him up 106-102 going into the final round -- Taylor had used a piston-like jab and some good power shots, decking Froch in the third round. It was the first time Froch has been down in his pro career, and he recovered quite well. But the difference in handspeed, athleticism and skill was clear much of the fight.
However, in the middle rounds, Taylor seemed to slow down just a bit. He was still winning the fight, but in the final few rounds, it was Froch who took over. In the 12th round, he attacked Taylor with a ferocity, clearly feeling he needed the KO. He turned out to be right: Two of the official judges had it 106-102 Taylor, same as I did.
Froch floored Taylor, who tried desperately to hang on. With 16 seconds left, the referee jumped in to stop Froch's massive assault -- it was the right call. Even though there was almost no time left in the fight, Taylor couldn't be allowed to be pounded on anymore.
There isn't much more drama in sports than stopping a man in the last round with 16 seconds to go when you are losing on the scorecards in a legitimate world title fight. It was a blast to watch the fight with Scott Christ of badlefthook and a room full of others as the final round unfolded and ended with a chorus of "OH! OH! OH! NO WAY! NO WAY!" It was a hell of a moment and one of the highlights of my 2009 combat sports viewing.
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Just got through watching this...
Ho-ly shit. A hearty recommendation from me to all my fellow casual boxing fans.
Also, best MMA fight of Saturday night: Jarrod Card vs. Bruce Connors for the XFC featherweight title.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 26, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is there video anywhere?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet, I’ll try to get it on the yootoobs in the next day or so.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, please post the video if any of you guys see it..
i doubt it will be shown here soon so i won’t get to watch it on TV.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure Taylor - Froch is Showtime.
Taylor left HBO and is now a Showtime fighter.
I think JM Lopez vs. Penalosa was on HBO, which was also an incredible fight if you want to see a punching machine.
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by The_Gaijin on Apr 26, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...that's my mistake...I was just reading the compubox stats for the HBO fight
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In reference to this ^
But let me say this for those of you withHBOShowtime, track down the replay. It’s worth your time.
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by The_Gaijin on Apr 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. already fixed...
but thanks
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry wasn't trying to be "Arrogant Editor 2.0"...
I think I posted the 2nd part at the same time as your initial reply.
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by The_Gaijin on Apr 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...no prob...
was just saying I fixed it. I didn’t catch it until you pointed it out so it was a sincere thanks
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t checked the compu box yet but it seemed that Taylor stopped throwing with any regularity at about the 6th or 7th. He waited until the last minute of the later rounds to mount offense (a clear sign of a gassed fighter). I was totally inspired in the last third of the 12th round when Taylor threw his last big punch from the ropes followed by an attempt at a few jabs. Froch is a total beast. If he would keep his hands up he would be really dangerous. Taylor was winning the fight on the judge’s cards through the 12th. If he hadn’t been TKO’d with 12 seconds to go he would have won but that would have been a really long 12 seconds. The belt is on the plane back to the UK now. This fight was of the “high drama” order and why I still prefer a good boxing match over an MMA bout. Thanks for the short post Brent.
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by Warhand on Apr 26, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was really hoping...
that Taylor would be able to clinch…but no luck. He just got roughed up when he tried. I’d pay for a rematch though…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are probably going to have to pay for a re-match and it will probably be held in Nottingham.
P.S. I don’t think Compubox has the numbers up yet.
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by Warhand on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...they don't.
The numbers from the HBO card are up though and JML’s output (and connect %) was amazing
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Juan Lopez!!
Look at him pour it on the 5th through the 8th. That dude is a punching machine. I wouldn’t be able to use my shoulders for a week after one of those rounds.
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by Warhand on Apr 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His style is amazing..
it’s just punchpunchpunchpunchpunch…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a video online yet to watch this?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
youtube had a video up of the Taylor-Froch fight. If yu haven’t seen it check it out. Taylor looked great the first half of the fight. I was hoping he could hang on those last 45 seconds. He looked gassed. Lopez never stops punching. Around the 5th round i was thinking to myself, o.k. he’s gotta be gettin tired nobody can keep throwing this many power shots each round. He never stopped. I have to give credit though to Penalosa. That dude has an iron chin. He would get drilled over and over and he’d still sneak in a couple right hooks, that caught Lopez flush. I think at one point Max Kellerman said Penalosa’s not human for being able to take that many shots.
by asmiley420 on Apr 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Penalosa was a very good punching bag...
Roach did his job quite well in stopping the fight. As he said Lopez is just too strong and Penalosa was getting hit too much.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kellerman asked Roach after the fight if it was one of his younger fighters, would he have stopped it earlier. And he said he would have. I would have stopped it a little earlier. But i guess i can see Roach giving his veteran fighter and friend another Round to try and knock him out. I’d love to see a Lopez- Rafael Marquez/Israel Vasquez fight. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
by asmiley420 on Apr 26, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The world will collapse in upon itself...
due to awesomeness if Lopez fights either. But at the same time I don’t know how many more power shots I want to see Vasquez take at this point. The guy is awesome but I mean every fight lately has been a brutal war
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked tore up after the last fight with marquez. I think Lopez said he wanted one more fight before December and then he was moving up to 126. There’s some good fights for him up there also.
by asmiley420 on Apr 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
if people weren’t so fixated on heavyweights they’d realize that boxing isn’t in anywhere near the shitty state they make it out to be.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If people weren’t so fixated on heavyweights, boxing wouldn’t be in the shitty state it is.
But they are.
by subo on Apr 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boxing is far from in a shitty state
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t tell me it’s where it was when Lennox Lewis was still champ.
by subo on Apr 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love boxing
But would rather watch grass grow than watch Lewis fight.
Lewis-Tua was more boring than watching Sylvia fight in slow motion.
by Farthammer on Apr 26, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis had one really massive fight (with Tyson) that has since been eclipsed (by Oscar-Mayweather) and did well against Holyfield, but other than that Lennox was really no bigger a star than Wladimir Klitschko, it’s just Lewis fought in America and Klitschko fights mostly in Germany. Boxing just this year has set an attendance record for all events at the Staples Center (Mosley-Margarito) and a Texas record for money (Marquez-Diaz). Hatton-Pacquiao is a huge money fight on Saturday.
Boxing is more or less exactly where it was when Lewis was still champ. One great heavyweight who has big fights with faded stars isn’t so much different than a heavyweight scene based in Europe for the most part that draws huge gates over there (Klitschko-Haye is going to sell out a 60,000-seat stadium), and past that boxing still had Oscar, which they don’t now. The difference is fairly minimal all things considered.
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by SC on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I thought Klitcschko (holy shit is that hard to spell) was winning the entire fight until Lewis cut him. As if that wasn’t bad enough, Lewis’ attitude after the fight really pissed me off. Instead of acting gracious, he basically claimed that getting his ass beat then winning on a dr. stoppage was totally awesome.
by Farthammer on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still getting through the list that y’all at Bad Left Hook gave me in regards to quality fights and fighters over the last 5 years….. I just got through the Trilogy when I unfortunately had to get rid of the internet at my house.
I will pay to see the Klitschko vs Haye fight…. I’ll find a way to see it. Hatton vs Pacquiao is going to be an entertaining fight, can’t wait to see it.
by Gunslinger20 on Apr 27, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the smaller weight classes have been producing GREAT fight for a while. Nobody really knows alot of these guys for some reason. Unlike with heavyweights with the smaller guys you usually get 2-3 times the action. From start to finsh. Some of my favorites are the Barrera-Morales trilogy Juan Manuel Marquez- Paquiao fights.
by asmiley420 on Apr 26, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing fight.
Don’t screw with Jews of Polish descent – you’re talking about among the most battle tested people of the 20th century. If you’re a Polish Jew in the early 21st century, you’ve got some TOUGH ASS ancestors.
by subo on Apr 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad for Taylor...
It seems like every time he actually engages in an exciting fight that catches the fans’ attention, he’s on the losing end of the proposition.
Still I think the rematch will cause some buzz and he has a good shot of evening up the score.
I still don’t think Froch has what it takes to take out Calzaghe nor do I see Joe taking that fight without a dump truck full of money. I’d be all for a Froch – Bute fight though…might actually be able to catch it if it was in Montreal!
Sucks being in Canada, as we get HBO but no Showtime which has been giving us some pretty solid fights…thank the Lord for streaming sites.
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by The_Gaijin on Apr 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone find a replay time on Showtime?
I’ve gone as far forward on my cable box as I can and I can’t see one
by subo on Apr 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saturday’s telecast will re-air on SHOWTIME and the premium network’s multiplexes this week as follows: Wednesday, April 29, at 10 p.m. ET/PT on channel SHOWTIME TOO. The fights will be available ON DEMAND from April 28-May 25.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We always joke about boxing being boring......
…. but seriously, I feel asleep watching this last night. I was pretty tired though.
by Dexerion on Apr 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eff that
I have always tried to maintain my boxing-fandom but had trouble for a while…I was rejuvenated after Jaun Diaz fought Marquez a month or so ago….and then last night got me super pumped.
Boxing is awesome. MMA is awesome…it is ok to like both.
by Farthammer on Apr 26, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.boxing-core.com/videos/_Carl_The_Cobra_Froch_vs_Jermain_Bad_Intentions_Ta?vid=10001479&tid=107
For anyone who has’nt seen it
by RealIrish on Apr 26, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im a huge Jermain Taylor fan from Arkansas...
Im glad to see another quality show from JT. Even in the loss im happy to hear people talking about him at least. Many of his wins have been quite boring or even questionable…. and even though im a homer, ill admit that Winkey Wright beat him fair and square, it wasnt a draw.
He had some entertaining fights with Kelly Pavlick, they really just turned Kelly into a new star and didnt do too much to tarnish JT. I will always remember his title win against B. Hopkins when JT came out to “In the Air Tonight” (Phil Collins) with the Arkansas Razorback on his trunks. Even though his rematch was a bit of a snoozer.
His game isnt the most exciting, and i admit as a fan it is super frustrating at times. But JT is a great ambassador for my state, which doesnt have many big name sports personalities AT ALL! (But Ronnie Brewer did have one nice game this series shutting down Kobe) He always wins or loses with class, even to the point of “yes sir” “no sir-ing” the interviewers after each fight. He does a ton of charity work and appearances back here in Arkansas as well.
I hope fans not too familiar with him enjoyed his fight even though it was a loss. He is young and has a bright future. He’s a great guy to get behind if you appreciate the clean, classy, respectful type of fighters.
Thanks for the post Brent ! ! !
by MMArazorback on Apr 26, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a huge JT fan, like him ok, but I do think it’s badass that he wears Razorback gear. And, like you said he’s a good guy.
In a week when James Kirkland, one of boxing’s most exciting young power punchers, gets arrested for purchase of a firearm(s) by a felon, JT’s a nice break.
by lcollins1 on Apr 27, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Froch and Taylor are both really good guys from what I can tell. A guy like Kirkland hurts but good men still exist in the sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 27, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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