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Fedor Emelianenko vs. Shinya Aoki at DEEP/M-1 Challenge

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The rumors are true: MMA's undisputed #1 heavyweight and Japan's top lightweight will square off in a special exhibition match at next Wednesday's DEEP/M-1 Challenge event. DEEP President Shigeru Saeki and Shinya Aoki announced the fight today at a press conference in Tokyo; Fedor was not present, though his manager Vadim Finkelstein and Affliction VP Tom Atencio are said to be in Japan at the moment. The specifications and rules for the bout have not been finalized, but Saeki likened it to this week's K-1 MAX exhibition between Masato and 17-year-old kickboxing phenom HIROYA. (For what it's worth, HIROYA wore headgear and both parties wore shinguards.) Due to the weight difference between the two, this will presumably be a pure grappling or Sambo match. Aoki says he's pleased to be able to set foot in the ring with "the symbol of MMA."

Also announced for next Wednesday: Abe Ani Combat Club's Yusuke Masuda (2-5-2) will take Riki Fukuda's spot at 84kg on Team Japan, squaring off against England's Matt "12 Gauge" Thorpe (10-7). Fukuda pulled out of the event in favor of facing Murilo "Ninja" Rua on 48 hours notice at DREAM.8, where he won by unanimous decision.

Don't forget, the entire DEEP/M-1 Challenge show will be streaming over at Japan-MMA. The BE Night Crew will undoubtedly be up in full force for this one.

[UPDATE] God Bless The Ring reports that this will be a 3-5 minute Sambo match, according to Saeki.

photo via DREAM Official

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Wow...

Now this is a very interesting turn of events, I honestly didn’t believe this would happen… boy was I wrong.

by Gunslinger20 on Apr 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Result: Fedor will get another meaningless win and Aoki will rise in precived greatness as this match approchs, but won’t lose all the “bump” after he gets destoryed.

Also, if Aoki pulls off some wacky sub on Fedor, He will hold two WAMMA belts as per WAMMA’s own rules.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The rumors are true: MMA’s undisputed #1 heavyweight and Japan’s top lightweight will square off in a special exhibition match at next Wednesday’s DEEP/M-1 Challenge event.

Emphasis mine. So no he would not hold two belts

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that, but I chose to ignore it. Its funnier that way.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, you can’t tell me this won’t affect the meta rankings. It will. I am not saying it is right, but it will happen.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on the rules...

also…if Fedor wins I’d be willing to bet it has no impact. If Aoki wins it all depends on the rules the fight is contested under.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am willing to bet it will be grappling only, but there tends to be an increase in rank of guys that are slated to be getting a title shot. If you ask each person that ranks fighters if they do it, they will tell you no way, but it happens. With these guys being so high in there respective weight classes, it might not be as noticable, but it happens. I doubt the fact that this will not be MMA rules will stop that. It will be pretty high profile.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At what point will the Fedor Fanboys realize that this is starting to be a joke.

by The_Vig on Apr 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So begins the March of the Fedor Haters...

This is an exhibition match, probably just grappling, no need to get riled up. Save your steam for when they announce Fedor/Monson.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t have to hate Fedor to think that this sort of clowning around is stupid. Aoki can’t compete against a mid-tier welterweight because of the size disadvantage. What’s the point of this match?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be different if Mach had submitted him.

He got beat in an actual MMA match. Grappling only is a different animal.

by Patrick79x on Apr 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but let’s stop pretending that we know this is a grappling match when that’s just an assumption. Don’t want to make an ass out of you and umption, do you? :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aoki couldn’t compete against Mach because he has a glass jaw and was kneed in the face repeatedly. There is no point to this match, it’s a fun little exhibition grappling match.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I’m sure nobody has ever gotten hurt in one of those….

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is to make some money doing what you love to do. Its like the celebrity softball game during MLB all-star weekend. They’re professionals and they know what they’re doing. I mean this as long as it is a pure grappling match, I agree anything else is ridiculous.

by midwestbred on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor is great and still pretty young. He needs to bite the bullet and sign with the UFC. He, at this point, is only worth so much in Japan. If he proves himself in the UFC he will make a shit-ton of cash. This Aoki thing is a joke, but he is running out of guys that aren’t jokes outside of the UFC.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to all those accomplished HWs in the UFC, right? Give me a fucking break.

by FRANKIE on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t matter at this point. UFC + Fedor = money. It won’t matter who he beats as long as its in the UFC. It looks like he is ducking an org rather then one fighter.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would it be considered “ducking?” He wouldn’t be able to do other things that he enjoys under a UFC contract so he doesn’t sign one.

by midwestbred on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also announced at the same presser...

Jacare vs. Mayhem II is official for the DREAM MW title at DREAM.9

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i’m so glad miller is back in the ring

by ruckus on Apr 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least one of the announced “fights” is pretty cool. I remember thinking as I was watching that bout, “Holy shit…Jacare can’t submit him?!”

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, most likely grappling or Sambo.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But sambo has strikes, no?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Combat Sambo, yes.

Sport and freestyle Sambo, no.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is so awesome.

Thank you, Japan. Domo arigatou!

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by Martial Farts on Apr 23, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The comedy blog approves. What does that tell us?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All we need to know.

by subo on Apr 23, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, that unlike the two of you some people know how to relax and enjoy some entertainment?

by FRANKIE on Apr 23, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I was pretty entertained by this thread until I got to your comment. THANKS A LOT.

:-P

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The DEEP/M-1 Challenge show was a pretty decent looking card. I hope that this exhibition will add some interest to it, sort of like Masato/HIROYA did to the K-1 MAX card.

Also, I think this is a positive step in getting Fedor back into the ring in Japan.

There will be people who hate on this, but it’s all in fun, and they should relax a bit.

by AnonymousA on Apr 23, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There will be people who hate on this, but it’s all in fun, and they should relax a bit.

Word! Its just an exhibition. As much as we all want Fedor to fight Brock and kick Congo’s face further into his head, we all need to chill out. Fedor will fight a wily grappler and maybe … have a good match with him.

by asa on Apr 23, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plays right into Dana White's hands

“Fedor is out there fighting lightweights under special grappling rules! My guys actually fight the best in their weight class!”

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"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Apr 23, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly..

before you pointed this out I hadn’t thought about it but it is a very valid point. And honestly makes it more exciting in that context.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not concerned about the logistics, but it is (would be) a grappling match durring a fighting event that gets eyeballs and looks goofy. They are not meeting in a ADCC bracket. Its on the card of a fighting event and affects peoples preceptions of the fighters involved. Just so happens that they two of the best fighters on the planet so it means a little more to the MMA public at large then openweight at worlds.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grappling matches mixed into MMA events are common on the regional circuits in North America and I’m sure Japan, too. NAGA does this all the time, although I don’t think Grappler’s Quest does. But the idea that this out of practice with what’s being going on for years or something about crazy Japanese antics is just misplaced. This stuff happens every weekend. In our era, Combat Sports Challenge does this monthly.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 23, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed with everything you’re saying, Luke, and nope, it’s not at all uncommon for Japanese promotions like DEEP and ZST to mix grappling matches in with their fight cards.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do they do it with two mismatched (in weight) WAMMA champs and streamed all over the world? I know it’s not an awful thing for people to grapple, I am for it, but this is pure spectical and a waiste of time. How about they fight people? They are both great grapplers, but why? Because they feel like it? I have a problem with this very public grappling getting into peoples heads like it is meaningful. “But Aoki fought Fedor, he must be the greatest” ect.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for it...

I mean…really…how often do people pay attention to pure grappling matches? The point of grappling is that size is of much less importance. I’m really interested to see how this goes. And it’s not like Aoki isn’t fighting every other month as is…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely. This is isn’t keeping either guy from a potential “real” fight. Aoki has already said he’s taking a few months off from MMA after the Mach loss, and Fedor… well, who even knows. I really don’t see the harm.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is isn’t keeping either guy from a potential "real" fight.

That’s the part that saddens me.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are “real” fights fore these guys?

Aoki vs. an American Light-weight would be pretty much what he has left. The dude fights all the time.

Fedor? All I have out there is Barnett and I’m pretty sure it’s not Fedor ducking the fight. UFC has some good fights, but I’m sorry to say that most of the UFC heavies are mostly DW hype. They are good fights be seriously Lesnar’s record isn’t much better than Choi’s.

Mir vs. Nog TUF and Couture killed the UFC heavies for me. Still stacked but, lots of potential greats and lots of well past their prime greats.

Oh yah I love exhibition fights. It’s pure entertainment that doesn’t pretend not to be, ie Kimbo. Most of the time they are great conversation pieces, This thread is blowing up, as will every other thread on the matter.

by natyong on Apr 23, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was really more a comment on how much it sucks that Fedor doesn’t get to fight top heavyweights more. No blame and I’m cool with this exhibition (I mean why not?), but it was really just a lament at the fact that Fedor doesn’t get to fight the best as often as I would hope. That’s why its sad.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m more than down with that!

by natyong on Apr 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We will see when they come out with the rules. I think its just going to be a promotion tool for Aoki. It will be some wacky rules that modify striking until strikes are nulified and the match will be grappling, but they will call it a fight. Fedor will win and Aoki will be the man who took on Fedor.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

is really the best point made so far. It’s oversimplifying to say “it’s just like if it were at a BJJ tourney”, because it’s not. It’s two big stars and can definitely have an effect of them as their careers go forward. But hey, I’d totally be lying if I said I wasn’t looking forward it. Aoki by Gogoplata anyone?

by LiuLang on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does it matter?

Why does it matter if it is at a tourney or not? It’s the exact same contest..

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its on a fight card and its two of the biggest fighters in the world. Its not the contest so much as the context.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are of course right, Luke. Thank goodness you were here to tell us kids to stop bellyaching. Thanks, dad! :-)

In the meantime, please explain how two of the top professional fighters in the world behaving like amateurs is cool.

I mean, if Fedor snaps Shinya’s arm, can we bellyache then? A nasty leglock can destroy a career – how will you feel if Fedor refuses to tap to tiny little Shinya and misses the rest of 2009? Will I be allowed to bellyache then? Or do you think nobody ever gets hurt in tournaments and freak shows?

Playing around like this is probably not going to hurt anyone – I admit that. But Fedor has spent the last few years tarnishing his image among the tiny fraction of people who have actually heard of him by fighting:

  • 2 fat guys,
  • a pituitary giant,
  • a middleweight,
  • an old man, and
  • two wash-outs from the UFC (and those are the only two fights that even his fans claim meant anything).

Before that he fought a guy who should be cutting to 205 that can only win in unregulated fights unless he’s put up against Eddie Sanchez (who?). I think I have a right to bellyache all I want when the fighter I’d like to see more than any other is wasting his time, risking his health, and tarnishing his legacy to continue engaging in amateurish bullshit fights.

[And don’t get me started on disco-pants trying to fight up at welterweight – I think somebody started believing his own WAMMA press releases.]

I’m no Christian, but I like what Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

“When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up my childish ways.”

It’s time for Fedor to give up the Sambo, give up the exhibitions, give up the freak matches, and just take fights that matter. And I’m going to keep bellyaching until he does.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well...

it’s not unusual for guys to compete in Abu Dhabi’s open division (no weight limits) and I don’t consider this to be all that different, it’s just a single match rather than a tournament. I don’t think either guy is likely to miss a fight that they would have competed in because of this and I don’t buy into the “what if one guy gets hurt..” argument. That applies every time a guy goes out to play soccer with friends, ride a bike, spar in training..etc

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Competing in Abu Dhabi is completely different – winning the open weight there means something. First of all, you have to beat several rounds of top fighters, and secondly, it’s an established tournament that people know and care about. What will it mean for Fedor to beat that tiny little man in one match?

And Brent, Brent, Brent…. You don’t think that there’s a difference between the risk of injury during an accident from a bike ride with the kids and INTENTIONALLY putting yourself in the ring against a guy twice your size? For a fight? Both just as likely to cause an injury? Come on, man!

And saying that it’s just grappling (which you didn’t say, but a lot of people have said in this thread) is silly because a) people get hurt “just grappling,” and b) there isn’t actually any news saying that it’s “just grappling” anyway, right? Or did I miss something?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check the update...

it is 3-5 minute sambo match (meaning no striking).

What if the focus on grappling leading up to the bout actually…you know…makes both fighters better in that area of their game?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a) Fwew. I feel a teensy bit better. But I’d still rather be reading that Fedor was fighting a top heavyweight and Shinya was keeping his narrow ass in the lightweight division.

b) I think the Fedor nuthuggers are about to come down on you for suggesting that he could improve in any way.

c) So that two weeks of sambo training – you really think that’ll make a big difference for these two? :-P

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have won this thread

by subo on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhh – I’m saving the good stuff for when Luke responds. But don’t tell anyone.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Subo siding with someone...

who is anti-a non UFC event? I am in shock!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm – I’m not against the event.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Though some drug screening would be nice.)

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by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The event = the match

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanting it to mean that and it meaning that are two different things. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think...

that it can make a difference…yes. Just like a fighter spending two weeks of training on footwork can increase his footwork. I’m not saying it WILL make them better. I’m just saying it could. And that I really don’t understand the beef with a grappling exhibition.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it’s the “will” part I’m having trouble with as well. :-)

Most of my beef in this thread is actually from Luke’s tone:

all of the bellyaching should stop right away.

Paternalistic much?

EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT IN THE SPORT OF BJJ HAS AN OPEN DIVISION.

Exaggeration much?

Luke is talking crazy again and needs to drop the tone. I love the guy and am grateful the work he’s put into this site, but if he’s gonna go nuts on that side, there needs to be a counter-balance.

The rest of my beef is that:

a) They really can get hurt, thereby screwing themselves and the fans. Of course every time these guys roll they can get hurt, but even if this is an exhibition, how likely are two of the MOST COMPETITIVE MEN ON THE PLANET to take it lightly?

b) Fighters have a limited window. At 25, Aoki can screw around and worry about which fights are important ones later (barring injuries – oh wait, this is fighting. Bring those injuries back into the discussion), but at 32 it’s time for Fedor to think carefully about how many more fights he has left. sure, he’s only giving up a few weeks to training for this match, but look at Randy: he only managed 16 fights before 40. Is Fedor going to last that long? And regardless, shouldn’t he be trying to arrange a bout?

c) What’s the point? Does Fedor think the Japanese are all going to take up Sambo after this? Does anyone think Shinya has a chance unless Fedor throws the fight?

d) File this under exhibit 56 of “Fedor’s management team is full of shit-heads”: enough with the meaningless fights: this man has a legacy to cement and money to make!

e) It’s just another example of Fedor pissing his legacy away. I notice you didn’t try to argue this point. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It’s like I don’t even have to try here. Merely rec.

by subo on Apr 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah poor baby! When Hasn’t Luke a pretentious something? What percentage of hard-core fans/media isn’t? Get over yourself.

I always love the arguement that I’m a fanatic and it’s that other fanatics fault.

It’s like I’m going to burn that hot bitch because she wants to keep all the hot men for the females. Die heteros die! DW might or might not approve this message.

by natyong on Apr 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re complaining about condescending tone? That’s hilarious.

by FRANKIE on Apr 23, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m hilarious. the complaint is merely ironic.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol yeah arlovski washed straight out with three wins on his way out the door and hella dough. if only he could fight old ass men, amirite

by nigelzackit on Apr 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think he could beat Sylvia? Do you think Sylvia could beat Mir or Lesnar?

Case closed. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he bodied sylvia once, so id bet tht he probably could even if i never want to peep that fight again. nevada told the ufc they couldnt have mir fight sylvia again because he was so beat up, which is why sylvia fought the dude with the hole in his back and mir got the greenhorn pro wrestler guy. could pro wrestler dude beat sylvia? i dunno. maybe. sylvia would be coming off a big layoff but at least he wouldnt be getting aarp mailings when he does so. theyd probably both piss hot after anyhow.

by nigelzackit on Apr 23, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I can’t disagree with that. Once somebody stoops to juicing, they’re lost to me.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What legacy

According to you he doesn’t have any legacy to tarnish, so what’s the problem?

by FRANKIE on Apr 23, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you’re reading many of my comments. Or if you are, I don’t think you’re reading them very well. Let me be clear:

I love Fedor. He’s easily my pick for greatest HW of all time, and in my top 10 favorite fighters. But I can’t support him for, say, top P4P until he beats the best fighters in matches with drug testing.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana?

Dana White? Is that you?

by EnsignFrog on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, did you notice how I failed to use “fuck” in every sentence? Dana WISHES he could write like me. :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fedor was just jealous of Silva-Leites, so he's fighting Aoki.

Shouldn’t we be giving props to Aoki for having the nutsack to step in the ring with the greatest fighter on this planet? I haven’t heard Silva call Fedor out yet.

That’s my pre-emptive shot across the bow to whatever crap spews forth from Dana White today.

by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Fedor and Aoki for distracting us from all of this Silva/Leites BS.

Keep firing Assholes!
Akiyama is the Japanese word for Sexify.

by Ubernoober on Apr 23, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And thank you for finding the silver lining in this dogshit. You get a rainbow sticker! :-)

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Complain?

Im pretty sure no one here would be complaining about an exhibition wrestling match between GSP and ManBearPig Lesner… or a submission exhibition between Big Nog and BJ Penn.

And its really not holding either of them out of actual MMA action for long. Im sure Aoki will be defending his fake belt in no time… and as much shit as he gets for inactivity, Fedor fights about as often as BJ or Brock or a lot of the top UFC guys.

Im sure almost everyone on here has watched some sort of open weight grappling on the interwebs at some time…

by MMArazorback on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty sure no one here would be complaining about an exhibition wrestling match between GSP and ManBearPig Lesner… or a submission exhibition between Big Nog and BJ Penn.

I would be. But I’m a killjoy.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty sure no one here would be complaining about an exhibition wrestling match between GSP and ManBearPig Lesner… or a submission exhibition between Big Nog and BJ Penn.

Really? I think people would go nuts asking what the hell the UFC is doing if the UFC put together goofy ridiculous and meaningless bullshit exhibition grappling matches like that. I’m shocked BJ hasn’t thought of it yet as another way to avoid actually defending his belt, come to think of it.

I guess I just don’t quite what “the point” of the alleged p4p best fighter in the world doing exhibition matches with giants and midgets is … feels pretty “circus side-show” to me. But some of you seem to think this is the greatest thing to ever happen, so …

by Kierkegaard on Apr 24, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not the greatest thing to ever happen...

I don’t think anyone has argued that at all. I personally just don’t have a problem with it. A grappling exhibition is hardly a “side-show attraction” considering that most people aren’t exactly thrilled with watching grappling. I just think it’s like a grappling tournament match outside of a tournament.

I like grappling and I think that at worst this is interesting but pointless…at best it will be interesting and kind of exciting.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s like a grappling match outside of a tournament, except that the ridiculous size difference makes this completely pointless and most likely not even interesting. It’s going to take something shocking for this to even be interesting. I get that there are “open” weight classes in major grappling tournaments — but it’s also pretty rare for a lightweight to actually win the open weight class in a major tournament with elite heavyweight grapplers involved.

Everyone’s certainly entitled to an opinion. To me putting a lightweight like Aoki in there against the all-time most dominant Sambo competitor, at heavyweight, is almost exactly like something I’d expect to see in a circus side-show. That’s my opinion. I think at worst this ends up being uninteresting, pointless, and at least potentially damaging to somebody with an injury (even if unlikely). I think at best something shocking happens and Aoki actually wins — and that’ll really be great for Fedor’s reputation amongst the non-fanboys.

by Kierkegaard on Apr 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

first off, if this happens….

A nasty leglock can destroy a career – how will you feel if Fedor refuses to tap to tiny little Shinya and misses the rest of 2009?

… Ill come to your hometown and cut your grass for a month.

It’s time for Fedor to give up the Sambo, give up the exhibitions, give up the freak matches, and just take fights that matter. And I’m going to keep bellyaching until he does.

When will you finally understand that Fedor is not concerned with what you or anyone else thinks about him. He knows he is the best in the world, his accomplishments speak for themselves. Were he an up-and coming young cat, he wouldnt be able to mess around with Sambo tournaments or exhibition matches that get in the way of an MMA career. He practiced sambo long before MMA. Its the national sport of his country. He has made a name for himself and he sits atop the MMA world. He can afford to do what he wants because we are all still going to flock to the TV or internet stream every time he fights. What do you mean “take the fights that matter”? Im pretty sure all his fights, sambo/MMA/exhibition or otherwise, matter to him. Maybe not to you, but again, he doesnt fight for you.

by MMArazorback on Apr 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

… Ill come to your hometown and cut your grass for a month.

You’re gonna regret that – I have a small lawn, but I use a reel mower. :-)

When will you finally understand that Fedor is not concerned with what you or anyone else thinks about him.

a) I understand that. It’s his life. But I’m allowed to bitch all I like, whether Luke thinks I should or not. :-)

b) When he’s an old broke man who could be living off the money he’d earn by having made a name for himself as a fighter, he might care. I know he’s supposedly getting big money from M-1 right now, but if they’re fucking everyone else, I have no reason to think they’re not fucking him. But how much cash will exhibition matches and sambo crowns bring in over the long haul compared with real fights?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a) I understand that. It’s his life. But I’m allowed to bitch all I like, whether Luke thinks I should or not. :-)

I would be grateful if you take this childish bitching to sherdog.net, It’s wanted and even appreciated there.

by natyong on Apr 24, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Childish bitching”?

… pointing out the ridiculousness of this matchup, or arguing over whether it is, in fact, ridiculous is quite different than “childish bitching” worthy of sherdog. It’s actually pretty o.k. if there are some differences of opinion around here without a need to encourage dissenting viewpoints from taking their position to sherdog.

by Kierkegaard on Apr 27, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, certainly nothing wrong with opposing viewpoints.

I think it’s just the way that jemaleddin trolls expresses his opinion that rubs some people the wrong way.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 27, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true. I think it’s the “using complete sentences” and “having a coherent argument.” That REALLY upsets people.

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 30, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reel mower? Im starting to regret that offer.

by MMArazorback on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know, right? This is what happens when you marry an environmental economist: you get somebody who doesn’t want to waste money on increasing her carbon footprint.

Did I mention it needs sharpening too? :-P

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXIBIITION

THIS IS LAME.WHAT A WATSE OFF TIME.IT REEKS OF SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT.
fedor should stick to REAL MMA bouts and leave the Exibition matches to the WWE.

by TheLevi on Apr 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All caps is lame.

by natyong on Apr 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a grappling match reeks of sports entertainment?

dude…I…don’t…know what to say to that

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This reminds me of the time Rocky fought an exhibition match against Thunderlips and Thunderlips took it way too seriously.

by Dropkick434 on Apr 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where were all these outraged souls when Couture took on Jacare in an exhibition grappling match?

I guess the mere mention of Aoki, Fedor and WAMMA in one news story has caused the keyboard warriors to hulk up on instinct.

by smoogy on Apr 23, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey man...

It’s a story…with a mention of WAMMA and I’m not upset. I think the world may collapse in on itself any time

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t that when Couture couldn’t fight?

by subo on Apr 23, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope. it was when randy was ‘retired’.

by nigelzackit on Apr 23, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is when he couldn’t fight – he refused to fight for his contract and was thus banned from any actual MMA fight

by subo on Apr 24, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are much more evenly matched. I don’t remember such an event, but Middle weight vs a LHW seems close. How about Ortiz v. Hughes? What the hell was the point of that? It didn’t accomplish anything.

by szucconi on Apr 23, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was a internet ppv for couture and jacare even. you know what be funny though? fedor fought in january against a dude that the be rankings still got at number three and people are bitching hes not fighting someone else. lesnar is gonna have like 8 months from couture till he fights mir and then at least another 5 until hes in the cage if he wins.

by nigelzackit on Apr 23, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Where were all these outraged souls when Couture took on Jacare in an exhibition grappling match?”

See, this is why the “no personal attacks” comment policy sucks. Now would be the perfect time to come back with a “your momma” joke. AMIRITE?!?

Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones

by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if this is purely grappling...

I still think Aoki stands ZERO chance…

All of the open division BJJ guys who have went through the ranks and beaten bigger and tougher BJJ guys in the tournaments had one big thing going for them… they were all very, very strong guys. Very powerful lean guys who used the combination of power and their BJJ to win. Aoki has unbelievable technique, but he’s a little boy compared to Fedor’s strength. I still think he’ll get manhandled VERY easily.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Double rec’d since you double posted!

Seriously many thanks for these (Aoki and Chris). They made me smile a braggarts smile.

by natyong on Apr 23, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(loosely translated and obviously tongue-in-cheek)

That or his near death experience with Sakurai has eliminated any sense of fear/self-preservation.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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