UFC 2009: Undisputed Demo Discussion
by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 AM EDT
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The lady at Jimmy John's is glaring at me because she has been trained to wipe down my table and my continued presence while I write this prevents her. Anyway, UFC 2009: Undisputed the demo hits XBox 360 and PS3 systems officially today. The goal of this thread is to provide a discussion point for the Bloody Elbow community's reaction to the gaming experience, a place to share your favorite KO story, link to a fight video, and express distain in various degrees on gameplay mechanics. Stuff such as that.
About the demo: it's fun. Before acquiring the preview, I watched uploaded videos of it on YouTube. Some of these were from cell phones or laptop cameras; it really did not matter. It was here. Whatever this turned out to be was here. From a personal level, I can say watching even these secondary sources increased my anticipation for the fight at UFC 97, the real fight (the demo contains only Chuck Liddell and "Shogun" Rua), and I can only assume playing through a fight card and a bottle of Blue Moon before any cage door closes in a PPV will contain the same mood of anticipation.
As it concerns the game in specifics, common issues and themes have been voiced: submissions against the computer are too difficult, mouthpieces eject in an amount too great, KO's are overly dramatic, etc. While these things could each be addressed to some degree in future iterations, they do not prevent me from hitting Rematch on a fight I have played out in every scenario between the same two characters. The gameplay is expansive and deep enough to hold that amount of replay value.
Michael Rome has previously given his impression on the various ranges of exhibition play, the only mode in the demo besides the tutorial, here.
As for the final version of Undisputed with its career mode, Gamespy has more information:
Career mode should not only give you the standard ways of customizing your fighter's appearance (along with the ability to pick one striking and one grappling skill each), but also feature training sessions at different fighters' camps where you'll learn new moves. For example, you may be invited to train with "Team Penn," take a first-level kickboxing lesson, or learn how to throw a Superman Punch.
Career mode doesn't stop there, though. There are a ton of things you can do to improve your fighter, but part of the strategy will lie in what part of the fighter's arsenal you want to improve and when. First, different points are awarded to strength, speed or cardiovascular fitness, and then it comes time to work on attributes like clinch and grappling offense, takedown offense and defense, or submission offense. One thing that will throw a wrench into the works is the mode's calendar system, which provides an added challenge. If the created fighter spars soon before a match, whatever experience and skill he gains can be negated by the precious stamina sparring can sap. If all attention is focused towards fitness goals, then he may not have enough tricks in his bag to compete against more experienced and higher-ranked opponents in his climb towards glory. In the process, created characters get money, fame, equipment, sponsorships, even better sparring partners. The online experience will consist of characters from career mode as well as roster members competing against each other in ranked exhibition matches.
In the extended entry are various fight videos which have been uploaded. They can be viewed in HD at their respective YouTube page. If anyone posts a link to their own in the comments, I might embed it as well.
Hopefully, I am not the only one excited.
Classic Fight Mode Preview (Liddell vs. Tito):
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What time is it supposed to hit?
Is there any point in me staying up tonight?
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I think two hours, but I can’t find anything to source that atm.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC Undisputed will be the game of the year !
I have played the demo myself and I can say the game is badass. Submissions are very hard (damn near impossible on a AI computer) and the ground is tough to understand. However, I can’t stop playing. I have become a Undisputed fan very quickly. The game is definitely as real as it gets. You will find out soon enough.
The first time I played against someone I thought I would mop the floor with them because I had 3 hours of practice however, 2 minutes in and a leg kick later. I found out no matter how good you are you can still lose. I can not wait for May 19. I want to play as all of the UFC fighters.
"I was not impressed by your performance"
My roommate had an Xbox360 – I’m gonna bug the holy hell out of him until he gets the demo.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions
Lies!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 23, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah Im in CST and this sucks. I got class a 8:30
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There are a lot of flaws to point out, but overall the gameplay is a slam dunk. On expert I am engaged in such strategic fights, it’s a blast. All the problems are easily correctable for 2010, the main point is the game is fantastic. The only serious flaw is the difficulty of submissions.
Do you think that has anything to do with play as two guys who probably have very low submission skills in the game?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Not really, Shogun has pretty high sub skills.
by Michael Rome on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the developers has said it is easier to sub a guy with something they have been subbed recently with in RL. He gave the example of Lesnar. It is hard to test that out with only two guys, one of them having poor sub offense to begin with.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that having difficult submissions was the way to go. Sudden Impact had the easiest submissions, so it’s only right that they make them as tough as they are IRL.
The Bird is the Word.
its really unbalanced, its just way easier to get a KO, it makes no sense to even work for subs at this point.
by Michael Rome on Apr 23, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And with Shogun not having the stamina or KO power Chuck has it is harder to win.
But still, it is really fun.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i lost the source
i saw it dude seriously
im not sure the source is viable
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MARHHHH WTF
i guess the xbl santa wont come unless the kids are asleep
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Damn!
that sucks guess it will be there in the morning when I wake up
by Erich Vowell on Apr 23, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
5am EST is the scuttlebutt now for XBL
dunno about ps3.
and thats to be taken with a grain of salt
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I’ll stay up another hour to see if the PS3 demo hits then. I’ll be mad if it doesn’t. And they don’t want me mad.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
Has anyone gone to a decision? Only reason I ask is because I’d like to know if they read the actual scores or just say who wins the decision.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
They show the scores before Buffer anounces them. Takes the suspense out of it.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh. That’s lame. I’d love it if he announced the scores much like real life.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
Yeah...
Buffer announces the scores, but they show them at the bottom of the screen before he announces which just makes it lame.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
ps3
is it available yet? I took a quick look and couldn’t find it.
Downloading now, pretty excited haha.
I only have a trial account for xbox live and its letting me download it. If you make a new profile on your 360 they give you a month of live for free.
For those of you that are stuck at work like me, you can go ahead and add the Demo to your Download Queue for Xbox 360.
Click HERE for the download!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Knockouts come way too easily IMO
Chucks super hard to submit
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Make sure...
you’re playing on expert or the difficulty right below. The demo defaults to beginner
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
subs are hard on every difficulty. More fights will win by KO than anything, but they should be fairly evenly spread out over rounds 1,2 and 3. You’ll get subbed a bunch by the CPU (if you play as Chuck) on the higher difficulties.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to the commentators
at BE, I got the demo on Saturday. Highly addictive. I do think there are too many one punch KO’s, but the game is awesome. Shogun executing a flying armbar and a rubber guard transition to the triangle is really nice to see.
quick question,
is it available only to members with gold accounts on XBL?
If you're gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough.
by ThatGuyOverThere on Apr 23, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
yeah
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You gotta wait 1-2 weeks I believe.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
Now I gotta go home and find a 48 hour free trial card
If you're gonna be dumb, ya gotta be tough.
by ThatGuyOverThere on Apr 23, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And lose all my achievements/stats?!!! Are you insane! jk
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I have my preorder for the 360 but now I’m debating whether I should switch it to PS3 since my PS3 is in my Family room and it would be better to have it out there on PPV nights.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
My one big gripe..
Is that I can be beating Chuck’s ASS with Shogun on Expert for two rounds. Then, in round three, he comes out of nowhere with a spinning backfist and KOs me. This has happened numerous times. No matter what happens in rounds one and two, Chuck KOs me in round three.
When I play against Liddell
I stay as far away from him as possible with jabs and mid kicks. The minute he gets to close I go for the Muay Thai clinch and hammer him. By the 3rd round I pull guard and beat him there. Even with that I won slightly less than half of my matches, but I think that is the best way to get him.
Well...
Keep your hands up. There is no excuse for bad defense ;)
Seriously though I’ve played probably well over 100 games and yeah, if you get reckless but have the lead they will end up going for broke and taking you out. Just use good defense and time your counters…you’ll be fine.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
True....
But the spinning backfist /superman punch from outta nowhere is killer. You should be able to block in time for the high kick, but those punches from probing range are hard to predict.
Just a small amount of boxing training...
will forever have me with my finger on the high block button unless I’m throwing a strike. Hands up at all times son!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
It’s pretty widely known that Morgan sucks at gaming and MMA picks, so combine the two and go figure.
he did
this is well documented that the mistake is in there
but Goldie makes plenty of mistakes in real life so i guess its nice to see that reflected i nteh game?
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He probably cut that audio...
right after talking about Murilo’s brother…which he does do at one point.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Great News!
As well as being a hardcore MMA fan I’m also a hardcore videogame fan as you can tell by my avatar. Well I’ve been making the rounds across several blogs and forums and people that don’t even like UFC or MMA are really digging the game. Some guys say they’re actually hooked! This is awesome! I have a feeling this is gonna be a big sellar and UFC is in for an huge influx of fans!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
The demo is already ahead of games like HAWX and FEAR 2 and it’s only been out for a couply of hours.
The Bird is the Word.
Nice!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard early evening
but that’s the word going around…..
Video (in Italian) going through some of career mode.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Video: Matt Arroyo vs. GSP.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Because I, like most people, happen to think that is the only fight that can be made at 170 right now.
Seriously, I wonder who came up with this idea as a demo match.
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 23, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
just to show different fighters.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand the GSP selection. Buy why Arroyo? Why not someone like Fitch, or Kos, or even Alves? Oh no, we need more Arroyo. They have No Regard for my mental state, that’s for sure.
[/sad puns]
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by FlyByKnight on Apr 23, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Classic fight mode preview with Chuck vs. Tito embed’ed up top.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
LOL @ Tito winning the belt and Dana clapping in the background.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 23, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so...
but he is the only one on the demo
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Maszagatti refs the fight in the Italian vid on career mode.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 23, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
PS3
It’s available for the PS3. Downloading now…
You better not be toying with my precious emotions right now.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
You just had to not mention that until now, didn’t you? Son of a ….
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Sir Winston Churchill
yeah forgot to mention that in the first post, sorry if I messed with your precious emotions ;)
there’s some info here
Started on Expert and sucked. LOL
But since my start I’ve gotten lucky with a couple of KO’s and I have taken shogun the distance many times.
The Bird is the Word.
It isn't nearly as hard to go to a decision...
as some guys were making it sound. It’s not the most common outcome but it is possible both when you are TRYING to go to a decision (although point fighting will get you KO’ed in the higher difficulties) and in many cases even if you are trying to finish the whole time you’ll still end up on the cards.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you’re telling me is that I can’t use Machida and work towards a dominant decision?
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I'm sure you can...
I usually get too confident when I’m clearly on my way to winning a decision and I end up leaving myself open
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Group
yeah ppl were gonna have to make our own tournament or “group” for the UFC video game. I play FIFA09 & your able to join groups/teams. pretty sweet. we can make it a tourney. man im pissed at the ppl at sony. can’t beleive xbox got the demo n ps3 still doesnt. hopefully when i go home itll be on the ps store.
It's not taht MS got the demo first
It’s just that the PS Store updates in the evening. (I think)
The Bird is the Word.
that's rediculous
you shouldn’t have to go to that extent but that just shows how much of a hardcore fan u r.
Please help I’m retared.
Really?
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by Erich Vowell on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ...
The beatdown in the second video is almost hard to watch. Seriously, one of those rounds looked to be a 10-6/7.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Missing submissions?
Obviously the demo doesn’t showcase the full extent of techniques and skills available in the game, and several interviews have suggested that certain fighters will have trademark techniques or special strikes/submissions that other characters do not.
On that note, has anyone seen any of the following submissions in any clips of the game (i.e. not necessarily the demo): heel hook, straight ankle lock, toehold, d’arce choke, anaconda choke, arm-triangle choke, north-south choke, keylock?
The submissions I have seen are: RNC, Triangle, Armbar-from-guard, flying armbar, armbar-from-mount, kneebar, kimura, omaplata (although it appears to be only a sweep in the game), guillotine. Clearly these are the most common submissions in real MMA, but I’m just curious about the extent of the game’s available techniques.
Has anyone seen or read about any of the submissions in the first group I mentioned, in the game? Are there any in the game that I missed?
If it doesn’t have anaconda choke, I can see Big Nog shedding a tear.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i downloaded the game but now it says that i cant play it with my output settings?? so if i dont have an hdmi cord i cant play i just use av cords but says my settings arent right. all my other games work fine
I am on a standard def TV and it plays fine
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 23, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The Transition Moves are Sweet!
Awsome transion moves so far so good. I’m so eagar to get into carrer mode and play online!
So Far.. It’s really good. For you PS3 people who have been having problems finding it.. Go under the demos tab.. then newest demos and you should find it there.. its roughly 560 MB.
Here are some of my thoughts:
Graphics are superb it really looks like the real thing. The mouthpiece falling out of the mouth after every KO is something that should be fixed but its a real minor annoyance. I would have liked to see more ways the body crumbles after a KO. I leg kicked the shit of Chuck and would have liked to see bruising or redness appear on his leg, this also goes for the body.
The announcing job by Goldie and Rogan also sound like a real live show. I will admit since I’ve played this for a while now it has start to run its course and Im hearing repeats.. But at the same time I’m only playing as two fighters so thats bound to happen.
Easy to pick up and play if you just want to strike and beat the hell out of each other. Ground game is extremely deep and has a VERY steep learning curve. I’d say even more of a steeper learning curve than say the Skate, NHL, or Fight Night series in terms of using the right joystick to initiate actions. The ground game is HARD. But I’d rather have this than pressing two button at the same time that the older games had.
If you are familiar with Pride FC or the earlier UFC games you should be able to step in and have an advantage. Yukes obviously kept the same striking format similar and I think thats a good thing.
The fighters fight fairly true to life. When fighting against Shogun he goes for a lot of takedowns and pulls guard. When fighting against Chuck he can take a lot of damage and deal a tremendous amount of damage. I also noticed most of his KOs against me came as I was initiating attacks and left myself open.
The KO’s are done great.. I never really once got hit with a shot and get pissed and wondered how I got knocked out by a weak jab or a blocked head kick.
Overall I can not wait to get the game come May 19th and use the different fighters and their styles.. Cant wait to use a Judo fighter and toss em on their heads in the clinch.
would have liked to see bruising or redness appear on his leg, this also goes for the body.
the legs and body absolutely get red if you kick them repeatedly.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 24, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
First game of the night after playing all day, I triangled Chuck Liddell in the second round. I never felt more satisfaction in my life when it came to a video game.
That punch counter into a triangle is pretty cool. I triangled him from the rubber guard, though.
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Any tips on submissions? I’m not sure whether i should button mash or just play with the sticks to lock em. The tutorial wasn’t too clear on that.
I wonder if its legal to marry a video game.
Liddell is hard as shit to submit but I almost caught him in a triangle from guard and then transitioned into an armbar only to have that sonuvagun slip out.
I can’t wait.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 24, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Love the demo can't wait for the full game
After playing for an hour or so a day I can’t wait for the full version. Between the large roster and the time consuming career mode this game will have a ton of replay value even before any downloadable content comes out.
The subs and transitions are cool but I think they missed an entire segment here. Using a Sub to transition to a better positon or transitioning from one sub to another.
ie:
while apply a triangle choke hitting the l-trigger and preforming a half/quarter circle to sweep and the guy in the choke. Coming out in the mount or side control
Or
While putting a guy in a triangle you prees the l-trigger and hit the right analog in again. Then you switch from a triangle to an armbar.
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