Design a new logo for Georges St. Pierre
GSPFightClub.com:
Georges’ existing website will be shut down (temporarily). It will be replaced with a new website with the initial purpose of accepting submissions (forgive the pun) from you, his fans, on what his logo should be. We’ll let you give us your suggestions for the next couple of weeks, then we’ll select 10 logo ideas as ‘finalists’. Then, even if you’re not a graphic artist, you can still take part in this ‘makeover’ by voting for your favorite. There will be prizes for the finalists, and a terrific prize package for the person who submits the winning logo that you, the fans, select.
Then we’ll incorporate his new logo into his website redesign, you’ll see it displayed on his banner and shorts during UFC 100 on July 11th, and finally, you’ll be able to purchase merchandise with this new logo, starting with rally bandanas for his next fight.
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I absolutely abhor this sort of “contest”. Brand identity is worth thousands of dollars, especially to a commodity like GSP, and his website/management is offering a “prize package” for its creation? What a joke..
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by Blackout612 on Apr 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
True..
But I can’t blame them for saving money and getting the people involved at the same time…
Any BE members going to get in on this?
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, sounds like a smart move by GSP’s people. Personally, I would never enter a contest like this, however I will probably vote :)
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Really savvy business
Maybe you put up drywall for a living and someone starts a contest online for who gets to tape off their 2400 square foot house. Goooooo smart business moves!
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I hate to be difficult, but putting up drywall and drawing a picture are different.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Difficult?
That’s a statement of the obvious and I don’t even see what sort of point it makes. Baking cakes and doing IT are different. Yeah, okay..
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by Blackout612 on Apr 21, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't blame them for saving money?
They’re going to profit from it significantly. It’s unethical.
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Now that's just stupid
If it was for temporary use, I’d shrug it off, but they clearly want to use it long term. It’s like when people advertise that they want someone to develop brand identity, program their website, design a tri-fold brochure and do SEO and say “u can poot it in ur portfolioz!”. It’s a costly service and you clearly don’t understand that. I’m well aware that they would likely never come into contact with my company to provide the brand identity services they’re asking to be done for free, but someone (in Montreal, probably) is having money taken out of their pocket. People are really loud when it comes to this sort of thing when unlicensed/uninsured workers are putting their 35 year old veteran roofer father out of business. The impression that it’s okay to drive down the value of creative services is similarly unethical.
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Its not the same thing, there are more intangibles involved in creative services. Also there is no physical product and its obviously a lot easier for someone who is not in the know to evaluate the quality of the product. Its quite possible that a great artist out there will jump start a career by getting a huge boost to their portfolio.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Oh, save the bullshit about tangible product
Look up the cost of Adobe CS4 Master Collection and a new Mac Pro w/added RAM before you start up with that shit. I’m sure some poor bastard will do it and win, but he/she can put that logo in their portfolio without GSP’s consent. They don’t need to win some dumb shit contest to get that in their portfolio and no one in the creative services industry cares if you won a coloring contest.
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Its not like the logo is gonna fall apart cus it was made by an amateur.
Those fancy things will give them an advantage over someone using MS Paint
I dislike Matt Hughes.
-10
You clearly don’t know anything about the importance of brand identity and successfully marketing a product or service to a key demographic. Or how vital those things are to one of the most popular mixed martial artists in the world.
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I know that all those things are important. This contest actually strengthens the brand identity in that it shows a connection with his fans.
What I mean is that the roofing analogy is not a good one. If I hired a guy to do my roof and he did a poor job, I might not know until a year later when it gets windy. Anyone can recognize, if not create, a great logo.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Hahaha
Anyone can create a great logo? You are totally unqualified to have this conversation.
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"..if not create."
And that is also absolutely untrue. I’ve worked for companies that bulletin-board comps of logos and have employees point at the one they think is purtiest, if that’s what you mean. There’s a lot of psychology involved in creating an intrinsicly appealing brand identity campaign and long term representation of a product/business by a symbol. The goal, often times, in creating comprehensive brand identity, is to have consumers recognize a symbol without the assistance of wording. I’m sure you can personally self-reference many logos that you relate directly to the brand it represents. It’s a total misconception that you go “you breed dogs? This is a dog with your name” and that’s creating a brand logo. That’s when you have your recreational designer nephew fuck around with stolen/commercially uncertified software and thereby control the perception your business is publicly creating with consumers. The one thing that is true, similarly to the roof analogy, is that in a year you’ll see the effect. Problem being, if the brand identity is sub-par, you don’t see that it would have gained you tenfold the business your nephew-created shit did. It’s a leaking roof that you don’t recognize until you have black mold in your walls and you have to condemn the operation.
Actually, building a house is a popularly used analogy in creative services. You get what you pay for, sure; but this contest stuff is another animal and I just don’t endorse it.
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“if not create” implies that most people could not but some could. I’m sure you have heard the story behind the Nike logo.
Not every business/entity can have a “swoosh”, not everyone needs one. There is room in the world for mediocre logos that people still identify with a good product.
I think anyone with half a brain can identify a good logo vs a bad one.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
This shit is clearly over your head. You don’t just go right into production and shit out a logo. It’s a comprehensive process. Not trying to be a dick, but you’re essentially saying that anyone can do what I do. Glad there are still some businesses and people out there that actually know better.
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How in the world do you get this
you’re essentially saying that anyone can do what I do.From this
most people could not but some could.?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 21, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Major Pet Peeve #7: unrelated parties sticking their neck into a conversation
I’m sure you have heard the story behind the Nike logo.
Way to prune one quote. Me too.
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Major Pet Peeve #8: folks not arguing rationally
Firstly, I read the whole exchange and though I largely agree with you (yet again, now that I understand the gravity of the situation) and there isn’t a point where you can reply to him with that quip. And I wasn’t cherry picking quotes, your quote is refuted by his. For you to say that doesn’t make any sense.
Secondly, you’re having a discussion on a blog’s comment section, i.e. it’s everybody’s conversation.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 21, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine you saying that with a monocle and sipping a brandy.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 21, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
I’ve had a number of corporate jobs where we hired highly esteemed professionals for logo and brand creation or revitalization and the product they eventually developed with the concerns you articulate here were plenty mediocre.
I guess what I don’t understand is how this is unethical. And when I say this it’s because I’m not disagreeing. I’m actually just asking. Help me understand why this is unethical.
It’s unethical because the value of said brand identity escalates with the size of the company it represents. They’re essentially farming out a job that could be worth upwards of 10k for a contest. It’s unethical if they’re aware of what they’re doing and because the compensation is an unspecified “prize package”. Otherwise, it’s plain ignorant. They could have a contest to get the creative juices of the fans flowing, but in that case, offer monetary compensation to the winner (who, odds are, is likely to be a classically trained designer). They intend to use the logo long-term and have described their intentions to profit from its use in memorabilia, likely many thousands of dollars given the athlete it represents. It’s clearly a voluntary contest, but the ethics involve the money being taken out of a qualified designer’s pocket that has principles like I do and refuses to enter a contest because he has to make a living. I’m not here to argue ethics, but it’s in poor taste for someone as publicly recognized as GSP, and equates to hiring unlicensed labor. It’s clear from looking at the site that they don’t employ a graphic designer, so it’s not as though they’re doing this for fun and their in-house creative is like “hey, this will be cool”. I deal with a lot of bullshit like this on a day to day, so I’m understandly more annoyed by it than most. As for you working for companies that hire people that create a substandard product, perhaps they didn’t do their due dilligence in researching the qualifications and abilities of those creatives. As you know, being in writing and radio, just because someone does something for a living doesn’t necessitate that they do it well. But it’s up to GSP’s management to research that, just as it should be their responsibility to realize that contests like this really draw the ire of the professional creative community.
I poop rainbows.
I used to dabble and see what you mean entirely
But this is the world of America’s Next Top Hooker, everything can be turned into a contest to get people’s ego’s to overstep their own financial & || social self-interests.
That ambiguity aside, this is something that I would expect from Monte Cox or WAMMA, just low-grade detritus that makes MMA look like cheap white trash.
The worst part for me ...
This is something GSP should be ashamed of. For someone to ride in on the back of hip-hop he should prolly try and hire a writer to make his logo for him It would actually use his immense wealth to purchase something that’ll help him connect deeper with fans on merch out the wazoo.
This is lo-class.
The fact is professional designers sometimes do a bad job. Amateurs sometimes do a great job.
I have a few friends who work in various aspects of design. IMO design is a very self sustaining field. Many people and companies who hire brand consultants and professionals of this nature do not benefit. They certainly do not reap 10x benefits in most cases as you suggest.
I don’t mean to suggest that anyone can do what you do. I just don’t think what you do is useful or appealing.
Go ahead and tell me that this is way over my head.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
I think you’re taking this from the perspective of them trying to save a few dollars. I don’t think that’s their goal at all, although that might be one of the selling points. They’re trying to get fans involved and invested in him by having them participate. By having his fans come up with a logo, and having them vote, those that participate invest in the process, and have a greater attachment with the end result, and his brand as a whole.
I understand why you don’t like this contest, but from a business stand point, getting someone to do it for free (or for peanuts or whatever the prize is) makes sense. Would I like to see a local business get paid to do this? Certainly. But I don’t see this as unethical. When I tried to start my own publishing company years ago, I did everything under the sun in order to get people to do stuff for me for free or for dirt cheap. Sure, it’s not exactly the same, but I don’t begrudge someone else from trying to save money.
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Again
You don’t do creative services. I’m not picking fights, I just think it sucks that he/his management are going about it this way.
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I find that I have to continually provide disclaimers that I’m just riffing and not over here snapping pencils in my mouth.
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That’s the problem with online forums like this. It’s so hard to get one’s intent or tone across, hence having to make so many disclaimers. I try to give the person the benefit of the doubt that they’re civil unless they write something that’s clearly out of line. Of course, smiley faces also help. :)
I love me some Sexyama!
I know my arguing style is sometimes considered abrasive, but I was raised to believe that if you have a problem with something, just come out with it. All in good fun, usually. Except this stuff does hit a little close to home, being in creative services and all. The world is still catching up with how all of this stuff does, should and will work.
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I can't say much..
If making money is unethical…then I’m a dirty bastard. lol
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 21, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So I take it that you don’t like this contest?
:P
Calm down lol
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its fine. I would participate if I had any artistic talent. I just had to throw in a grease pun
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Of course you think it's fine
Since you’ve readily admitted that you’re not in creative services.
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Its true, however anyone actually in creative services is obviously free to not enter. For people who want to get into it this would be a great thing for a portfolio.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
Like I said before...
It’s not taking money out of my pocket, but it’s taking money out of my profession. I just think that people in GSP’s position should be more knowledgable. Maybe he tells people to install hardwood into his house for autographed 8/10’s, too?
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Why not?
Of course, there is that phrase, “You get what you pay for.” Can’t help it if a dude is cheap. :)
I love me some Sexyama!
No doubt
And I abide by that law (you get what you pay for). But some poor sap that is actually good enough to be paid for his brand identity will win GSP’s fight-used cup and get to have lunch with him when he should be getting paid upwards of 3500 dollars (at minimum). You can argue that you don’t care, but you can’t argue that I shouldn’t.
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LOLZ
I’m not a big fan of artists being taken advantage of. It’s easy for people that don’t do it for a living (or amateur PS enthusiasts) to think it’s cool, but it’s not cool. Especially from an entity that knows exactly what they’re doing and are likely to make the winner sign away his/her IP rights.
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I was expecting to see something stupid like a jar of Vaseline with GSP’s face on it in here, but that’s actually pretty sharp.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 21, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What about weox3?
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
xFenixKnightx, I just read your sig. It’s hilarious. At what event did Goldberg say that?
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No clue, I just got it from this forum that had a ton of funny ass Goldy quotes and this was my favorite. Shit had me cracking up at work. :)
Another one…
"He wants to get in close to use that reach advantage, huh Joe?." – Mike Goldberg
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
new logo
Pierre=Rock in French probably taken from St. Peter (Pierre=Peter) being the rock of the church
Georges “Rush” St. Pierre is a play on words since another word for rock is “Roche” and it is pronounced similarily to “Rush.”
New logo possibility: Georges “Rush” St. Pierre…The Rock of the Cage OR The Rock in the Cage / The Rock of MMA
We could also use: Georges St. Pierre: A rolling stone stone gathers no moss…and he rolls with the best in MMA.
I'll be back to add more in the next twenty-four...unless, by some mishap, someone K.O s FEDOR.
Real designers join AIGA...
and AIGA has a policy:
http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/position-spec-work
NOT COOL, GEORGES.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
I can definitely see why you and Blackout612 are not too pleased with this contest, though I never would have had you guys not mentioned it. Which is also to imply that I don’t suspect that this breach of ethical standards was intentional. It certainly came off more like a well-meaning, “involve the fans”, sort of gig.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 21, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's rarely malicious
Which often makes me most frustrated that people aren’t better educated, but it’s not my place to determine if it’s a lack of know-how or blatant.
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Understandable and I appreciate that you guys explained the problem. It seriously never crossed my mind, but I can definitely see why it is so problematic.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 21, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing unethical about looking to minimize costs. It’s what they should do, they have no obligation to employ you. If you want to be employed then try to provide something that is so much better than stuff that fans send in that they’d be stupid not to use it. If you don’t have enough skill to make your product worth paying for, demanding someone pay for it is extortion. That is unethical.
Having a union equivalent call it unethical to use free labor is a lot like having a car union call it unethical to outsource to China. Spare me.
Ridiculous
You don’t create brand identity and sell it, you’re contracted to create it. You don’t go “look at this; want to buy it?” like a painting. That’s absurd.
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Tell me why someone who can pay for a service or get something they think is equally good for free should have to pay for it. Under what moral code do they owe you a living?
by Michael Rome on Apr 21, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s one thing by the way when you can make an argument that doing this is actually a legal violation of some criminal code constituting a felony. I think any law of the sort would be a complete outrage, extortion written into law, but at least that would be a better hook.
by Michael Rome on Apr 21, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Official Letter Template from the American Institute of Graphic Arts
www.aiga.org/resources/content/3/5/9/9/documents/aiga_specletter_contests.doc
Dear _______,
I am writing to on behalf of AIGA, the professional association for design. We are concerned about your recently publicized design contest [name or nature of contest].
Although we realize that such contests are a popular way for organizations to generate publicity and participation—and to save costs—there are a number of reasons why asking for work without compensation except for a single design that is selected, which is termed speculative work in the profession, contradicts the ethics of our profession.
Why don’t you stick to MMA writing instead of acting as though all of your opinions are irrefutable, and I’ll stick to creative services?
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Sorry Blackout, but
I can’t help but side with Rome here, despite my lefty Bohemian loving tendencies. BE just had a contest for a job. I wrote. I didn’t get it. They don’t owe me shit as a result, nor any professional writer. It’s a chance for an amateur to break into the big leagues of graphic design, and I just don’t see how hiring someone that’s already established can be considered more moral.
Viral marketing of the YouTube/DeviantArt variety just seems so perfect for MMA. I can’t hate on anything that encourages it.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record
I am not a professional writer (only thing I’ve been paid to write are college papers for other people)
No shit, right?
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
So many missed points
Morals? Viral marketing? Breaking into the big leagues?
Shrug..
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by Blackout612 on Apr 21, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Morals – you’re arguing what they’re doing is immoral. Sounds like you not getting contracted = immoral.
Viral marketing – the best, funniest, most engaging MMA videos I’ve ever seen weren’t created by Zuffa or PRIDE or any kind of firm – it was created by fans. Just people who love the sport, like being creative and don’t need someone paying them to do it.
Breaking into the big leagues – A bunch of professionals aligned in an organization criticizes amateurs and freelancers for participating in contests that could get their name and work out to millions of people. This rubs you the wrong way.
Bitch about ‘speculative work’ all day, but don’t presume that others share your pet peeves. If you don’t like it, don’t participate in it.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh...
I never said anything about morals. Fabrication. This isn’t viral marketing. And when people voluntary create media— that’s not viral marketing either. I have no idea what to make of your sentence about “the big leagues”. You have no idea what you’re arguing about. I’m Lebanese, you want to tell me how to make tabouli too? Just walk away.
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by Blackout612 on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Place bulgur wheat in a large bowl, toss with parsley, cukes, tomatoes and red peppers. Sprinkle with spices and gently toss some more incorporating the spices. Squeeze lemon juice over the Tabouli Recipe and drizzle with 2 tablespoons olive oil. Gently toss to thoroughly incorporate all the ingredients. Taste and adjust flavors. If too lemony, drizzle with a little honey, and toss again. Enjoy!
I dislike Matt Hughes.
I congratulate the kid that wins this thing and everyone that participates in it.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 22, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
but don’t presume that others share your pet peeves. If you don’t like it, don’t participate in it.
Others at the aforementioned AIGA do share it. I think things like this can help get amateurs and future shitty tattoo artists something to focus on, so maybe its not all bad? Wait .. scratch that.
As for the millions of people you’d be exposed-to, is GSP gonna put your name on the shorts, right under the logo? None of these terms is spelled-out. It’d be nice, but it isn’t clear.
I just think its low-class of GSP. I must reiterate that I’d expect this of Monte Cox and Tim Silvia, but GSP? Pretty weak.
Do you know how many tens of millions of dollars will be generated annually from merchandise sales alone?
That’s funny, I poop pots of gold.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So you must be on the other side of the world from me?
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by Blackout612 on Apr 21, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there you go..
i was expecting you to poop rainbows to compensate for “angry looking” posts from you.. :)
PS
note that i just said looking and didn’t judge you for it.. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Taste the rainbow…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 21, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Blackout, is this an accurate depiction of (at least one of) your ethical issue(s) with this contest: the service has already been rendered (the ton of man-hours that go into profession graphic/creative design and a logo has been completed) with no guarantee of payment for said services? Or am I off?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
That sounds an awful lot like a ‘competition’
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That was going to be my counter point. Blackout isn’t a stupid cat, so I know he’s got something, but I just don’t know exactly what it is and I don’t want to speculate.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 22, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Geez..
I’ve made my point abundantly clear. People don’t seem to know what they’re arguing. I’ve got a bunch of devil’s advocates just swinging blindly. This is a widespread issue in my field, not a wild hair up my ass. If you, or Subo, or Rome, or anyone else don’t get it; well, I’m thrilled that I have no professional relationship with you. Maybe when you start a business, you can have a contest for someone to make your brand identity and website. The fact that this is considered acceptable and you shrug at it is the inherit problem. If you were close to someone that is successful in creative services, you surely wouldn’t be arguing with me. I never said this dumb fuck contest was immoral, or illegal (which I’ve been accused of, hilariously), but it is poor business, it’s ignorant, and it’s pretty par for the course at how some people devalue the work that goes into creative services like you’re just drawing a picture (thanks subo). Like I didn’t go to school for what I do; I just grabbed a stick and sat in a pile of mud.
I’m essentially arguing with myself, so I’m going to put this to sleep.
I poop rainbows.
If you can’t explain your damn point adequately to a number of different folks (several of which are pretty intelligent sorts of folks), then it very likely either says something about you or your point. I read both letters in jemaleddin’s link (about spec work in general and contests specifically) and was only looking for clarification about your specific problems.
The fact that this is considered acceptable and you shrug at it is the inherit problem.
Where did I do this? I even said that I know you’re a smart guy and I was sure had a reason for your belief; I was hardly shrugging you off.
If you were close to someone that is successful in creative services, you surely wouldn’t be arguing with me.
Is familial relation the only way I can understand your position? You could just explain it a little better and have response other that the rhetorical equivalent of “duh”.
I never said this dumb fuck contest was immoral
But you actually did:
Can’t blame them for saving money? They’re going to profit from it significantly. It’s unethical.And again:
People are really loud when it comes to this sort of thing when unlicensed/uninsured workers are putting their 35 year old veteran roofer father out of business. The impression that it’s okay to drive down the value of creative services is similarly unethical.
I understand that this topic hits close to home and I didn’t mean to cross the line with you, but honestly I don’t think I deserved much of that.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 22, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If the argument is that these sort of contests devalue the work you produce in your trade, I think it’s up to your profession to demonstrate that your services produce a product far better than what an amateur just dabbling in a contest can produce. Produce a superior product and people will pay for the extra value.
If just anybody can produce a good logo that resonates with the public, then it’s inherently not a valued service. On the other hand, if it takes a fine touch to get it right, and only a select few can do the job justice, you’ve got yourself a valuable service to sell. It’s on your profession to demonstrate this and sell this though.
If these amateurs produce a crap logo for him, that’s his problem to deal with. Your profession can sell their services to other fighters, and produce better logos to show GSP what he should have done instead.
Shit, you ought to get in there anyway – how badass would it be to see something you made on GSP, even if the royalty structure wasn’t to your liking?
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 21, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Make sure you don’t give up your video game likeness rights
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Apr 22, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GSP logo
My logo is now my avatar.
St. Peter = St. Pierre
pierre = rock
rock = roche
roche is pronounced ‘rush’
Nice play on words Georges!
I'll be back to add more in the next twenty-four...unless, by some mishap, someone K.O s FEDOR.
I can sort of understand where Blackout is coming from...
Although, I probably wouldn’t have been quite so abrassive in trying to argue the point. You get more flies with honey… LOL
I’ve been a professional designer for almost 10 years now and it does make me a little upset that they want professional work for free, but like other mentioned, no one is forcing anyone to enter. I may even enter just for shits and giggles.
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If you don’t mind, I don’t know much of anything about this stuff and I have a question (actually two): How is this typologically different from something like a bid on a defense contract? For example, the defense department wants a new plane that can do x, y, and z, is roughly v size, and only costs w amount to produce (the values don’t matter, so I just used variables).. In that circumstance, each company after the contract then designs, tests, and builds working planes with the hope of winning it. Essentially the question is this: what is the important moral difference I’m missing, or if there isn’t one, what important moral fact makes both of them wrong?
Also, I saw in the letters the jemaleddin posted a link to, that one problem was that the creative services require an intimate back and forth between the client and designer for the design to be of any value or to represent the product well. But isn’t it obvious that GSP (or his management or whatever) doesn’t really care about that? Isn’t this just, “you get what you pay for”?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
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