Dana White to Apologize on YouTube
Fronted by Brent Brookhouse - It's the expected response, but the right one.
GLAAD just updated their blog on the situation, saying Dana is planning to apologize for misogynistic and homophobic comments on YouTube.
Full text of the post:
UFC’s Dana White Will Make it RightApril 2, 2009 by Ted
I just spoke with UFC President Dana White. White expressed remorse for a video blog posted April 1 in which he uttered misogynistic and anti-gay slurs (see here) and said he “never intended to hurt the gay community.”
He will issue a new video on the UFC’s YouTube page shortly in which he will apologize for the incident.
glaadBLOG will post White’s new video blog as soon as it’s released.
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I’m glad he’s decided to react to this quickly instead of waiting until the pressure made it unavoidable.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah – eventually – you can’t be that high up in a company worth over a billion and expect no one to pick up on it. I’m glad they’re at least ahead of the story now.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, good. He should apologize.
Amusingly this will be the peak of some people’s online MMA life, as they wait day in and day out for the day the UFC burns or Dana gets fired. Since they’ll never get that, the humiliation of his apology will probably be the best they can hope for.
by Michael Rome on Apr 2, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not that big of a deal, really.
It’s like a guy with a drinking problem apologizing for being drunk and promising never to drink again. Except, you know he is only saying it to get people off his back so he can go drink some more.
Maybe he’ll be forced to only drink when nobody else is around or when he’s only surrounded by his enablers. That’d be good enough for me.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
You must have a crystal ball which allows you to know that Dana White will do the same thing again. For those of us that don’t have such a device, we have to take what he says at face value, and see what happens in the future.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 2, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You’re talking about Dana White right? Mr. F. Bomb…
I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me that a grown ass man that speaks the way he does, isn’t going to stop making derogatory remarks. He will likely be more conscious of what he says and where he says it, but…
by MMAcGyver on Apr 2, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dad was a foul-mouther steelworker-turned-cop from a poor family in a bad part of town. He swore like a sailor, as did his friends and siblings. Then one day he made the mistake of using a racial slur for Arabs around my wife (who he adores). That he made her uncomfortable and upset shook him, hard. I’ve never heard him use a slur since, going on four or five years now. People can change.
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by AJB on Apr 2, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Cannon, stop being so damned reasonable
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news: cats and dogs live together, peace in the middle east, and they found a cure for the cold.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Blackout612 on Apr 2, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what I think he'll say
"I apologize to the gay/lesbian community. But F U Loretta Hunt. " At least that wouldn’t be surprising.
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The big thing...
is if he does or does not adjust his behavior going forward. If he does, this has meaning. If he does not…it’s pointless.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
Until then, at least he’s taken the correct first step to addressing the snafu.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have known better. I just hope he’s not reading off of some paper when he does it. lol
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i think dana should just ignore the internet like he claims he does. lol.
by bdw on Apr 2, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he said he reads all this stuff. In one of his Vlogs or in an interview he was like “yeah I read all that stuff” because he supposedly likes it and its entertaining.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 2, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the retards?
Dana says “retard” all the time and no one gives a fuck, why all the sudden outrage over the use of the word “faggot”? Don’t get me wrong, I really don’t care what he says. But for the entire media to jump on this whole “Dana says offensive things!” now is kind of stupid to me.
P.S. Maggie from CageWriter is seriously the worst mma journalist that exists on the internet and if she is so offended by the word “bitch” she needs to get the fuck out.
by dumbwhiteguy on Apr 2, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“Retard” was initially a euphemism.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
It was intended as a way to describe people who were “mentally handicapped” (or whatever the proper phrase is now) without insulting them.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
If you are arguing that the word “retard” isn’t as offensive to mentally handicapped people as “fag” is to homosexuals then I’m sure there are a lot of people who would greatly disagree.
I’m merely pointing out that retard originated as a euphemism rather than a dysphemism.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
:-)
Or a cacophemism for that matter.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Look at the big vocabulary on Richard…
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by AJB on Apr 2, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In other news I only learned the word cacophemism two minutes ago.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Actually, “retard” means to slow down or impede, such as flame-retardant clothing. The mentally retarded were so-called because their cognitive faculties were slower than most. It was informally truncated to “retard”.
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by themachiavellian on Apr 2, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The urban legend is that since a faggot was a bundle of sticks, if you imagined two males grinding on each other, you get the idea. It’s dubious at best.
More accurately, probably, is that it referred to grumpy old women in 16thC England, and frequently effeminate terms are used against gay men.
Beyond that, I have no idea.
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by themachiavellian on Apr 2, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
“Retard” as it is applied to the mentally handicapped was originally a euphemism. I’m not suggesting that the word itself originated as a euphemism for the mentally handicapped.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
well ‘bitch’ originated as a term to call female dogs and still is in that realm.
Context is important here and it’s not hard to figure out Dana wasn’t trying to politely describe a ‘mentally handicapped’ person when he used any of the terms he used. By their use in his context the terms are insulting to those groups.
Act as if and be a professional, for the sake of the future of the game, and games in general
Agreed that it was insulting, but don’t you think it’s hypocritical to call him out when he says something offensive to one group of people and completely ignore when he says something offensive to another group?
My point was that “retard” is no more offensive than “idiot,” “imbecile” or “moron” which were actually clinical terms.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Fun fact: "retard" was a kinder, gentler word meant to replace words with negative connotations like "slow."
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
In fact, Martin Luther King preferred “colored” to “black.”
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
You may have forgotten, but when Tropic Thunder used the word retard a few times last year there was quite a bit of outrage.
There was a little bit more to it than just using the word retard. I think the focus was mostly on the Simple Jack portrayal and all the jokes that came from that.
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All I’m saying is that they are both hurtful to their respective groups.
http://www.specialolympics.org/03-31-09_Spread_the_Word.aspx
That particular crusade is self-defeating…
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I will be happy to inform the retard community that the word “retard” is, in fact, not that offensive.
I do believe you missed the point entirely.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I thought your original point was that it wasn’t offensive because it’s connotation was supposed to be a nice way of saying slow. Your thoughts on which crusades are working and which aren’t is a little weird.
My original point was that it’s silly to be up in arms about a word that was a euphemism for the mentally handicapped.
As for the point about their stupid crusade, I believe that was clear and that if you don’t understand it that we’re dealing with a reading comprehension issue rather than a clarity issue.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 2, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree and would invite you to ask a retarded person how they feel about the term. I think you’d be surprised.
Also I meant that it was a dumb thing to quote. It really doesn’t matter to me what you or a conservative writer says about their crusade. I could really care less about their crusade at all.
by dumbwhiteguy on Apr 2, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who disregards a cogent argument because of the writer’s core political beliefs is an imbecile.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 2, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You and I both know that conservative writers tend to be on the side of less politically correct. At least, I would hope you do.
by dumbwhiteguy on Apr 2, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re arguing a separate point altogether.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
"Act as if"
Act as if? Do you like Boiler Room?
Additionally, I think the reason that Dana White can “get away” with saying “retard” and not calling someone a “faggot” is because the GLBT community is more organized than the mentally retarded community.
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Boiler Room
Ben Affleck, who plays a recruiter for a stock broker in that movie, explains to the new staff to “act as if.” He goes on to explain the different ways in which they can act as if, with humorous results.
It’s the only place I’ve ever heard that phrase before you used it.
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You are being very insensitive and I demand a public apology for you taking the horrible word “retard” so lightly. I direct you to the Special Olympics’ “Spread the Word to End the Word” campaign which deals directly with that word I can’t dare say again.
Which leads me to a lovely quote I read just the other day...
“It seems reasonable to surmise that a generation hence, retard will have lost its sting and will be no more offensive than idiot, imbecile and moron. Unless, of course, the UMass and Special Olympics folks succeed in making it taboo, in which case its current meaning—both its association with the intellectually disabled and its connotations of insult—will be frozen in place. If successful, this effort will retard rather than advance progress.”
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by Richard Wade on Apr 2, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
James Taranto published it this past Tuesday.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Some of the articles out there call him on that too (although it was the story that White called retarded).
I’ve never seen any MMA news outlet make a post about Dana using the word “retard”. It just sounds like hypocrisy to call him on this now and not have said anything before.
That’s funny because I just read one that did about 10 minutes ago.
The UFC president did far more than verbally assault a female reporter Wednesday in a video blog entry. White slurred women, homosexuals and the mentally disabled in the obscenity-laced rant. The diatribe already was yanked from UFC’s web site, but footage can still be found across the Internet. Next up: News outlets (this one included) that will salivate at the chance to show White at his worst.
http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/9408882/White’s-rant-sends-UFC-down-dangerous-path
Here is the thing about hypocrisy, the media is full of it and it still doesn’t matter when they catch you being in the wrong. Sites and bloggers have talked about his language for years but even if they haven’t it’s hard for him to defend himself on the grounds of hypocracy when he is still the one in the wrong. This isn’t about the media it’s about Dana White and the issue is public perception of him, just because no one called him on a specific word before doesn’t mean that it’s his fault for using it now that people are starting to notice what he says.
He shouldn't say that either.
Hopefully he’ll take this opportunity to purge that from his vocab as well.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
TOO MUCH COVERAGE
THIS STORY IS GETTING WAY TOO MUCH COVERAGE. SO DANA CALLED AN UNAMED FIGHTER "FAGGOT"".
SoF|_|cking What
Are you seriously wondering why, I’m happy that it isn’t getting more attention than this. The media normally loves this stuff because it makes great headline material. You don’t have to like the way things are but that doesn’t change the fact that they are that way, White put his foot in his mouth and he’s lucky that it didn’t really bite him in the ass. This is really simple, he’s a public figure (getting more and more public all the time), if you don’t want the media after your ass then watch what you say.
Yeah, it’s a nice reality check isn’t it? “Am I way off base here…? No. No I’m not.”
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by AJB on Apr 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's hate speech.
And offends people.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate speech is a silly concept as it is currently defined. Dana White’s rant was far more hateful toward Ms. Hunt than it was toward homosexuals, women in general or the mentally handicapped and yet when you mention hate speech the latter three groups are the only ones it applies to in this instance.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 2, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not at all.
That misogyny should definitely qualify as hate speech as well.
He was, at least, not discriminatory in the groups he was insulting to.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
^ Mz. Hunt
She’s married, but I’m not sure if Hunt is her maiden or husband’s name.
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Ms. doesn’t have anything to do with marital status.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Really? Growing up, I was taught “Ms.” = unmarried, “Mrs.” = married and to use “Mz.” if you’re unsure.
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for us it was always
Miss = unmarried
Ms = unsure/don’t care..etc
Mrs. = married
Mz = never used it
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
^that^
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
I swear "Mz." is a real prefix.
Or possibly not. Public school ftw.
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by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
I believe 100%.. that with Dana’s upcoming apology he will genuinely sorry for every time he’s said/used the word “faggot” as a derogatory term in his lifetime.
They should just close up shop.
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I'm bad with pronouns.
Who should close up shop?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
UFC should just close up shop.
This is my standard response to everyone that is acting like it’s too late to apologize. What else do they expect? It’s a good thing that he’s apologizing. Apologizing is a positive alternative to not apologizing.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
No, it’s still better than not apologizing as long as the apology sounds/appears sincere.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Maybe you should just explain what it is, because I’m not going to watch it..
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
it's a music video...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i will file this under who gives a crap. the idea that MMA has reached or will reach a mainstream audience who may or may not be offended by these kinds of comments is laughable. MMA appeals and will always appeal to those types of people whom are (usually) not offended by words. there will always be a coalition of housewives who start letter writing campaigns to protest something which “hurt their feelings”, apparently that coalition has expanded to this website.
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Yeah...
you’ve got it. We’re obviously just housewives complaining about hurt feelings because we give a shit about the ability of this sport to grow and be taken seriously.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
the ability of the sport to grow and be taken seriously is not affected by Dana White and his choice of vocabulary. the sport, in this culture at least, will always be confined to a certain demographic. MMA by its very nature is “fighting” and fighting has many negative connotations to Joe and Jane Public. regardless of the level of athleticism or dedication or technique involved it will always be limited in its ability to gain mainstream exceptance. the loud, brash attitude of Dana White appeals to MMAs core demographic and though he probably went over the line in terms of todays political correctness, his comments have little to no effect on the growth of the sport.
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They used to say the same thing about professional football because of how violent it was yet it managed to grow. Of course I find your “certain demographic” point to be funny because I am not even close to being in that demographic. Demographics are tv ratings guidelines not rules of media supply and demand.
Oh and boxing used to be mainstream not too long ago so saying that fights sports won’t get to that point was disproved probably before you were even born.
I don't think you get to decide who MMA appeals to.
The self discipline and respect for others is what appeals to me about it.
Dana exhibited neither of those traits.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
“I’d like to apologize to the gay community, it was not my intention for this to be seen as a blatant attack against them in a demeaning way, I have nothing but respect for them, some of my best friends are gay, it was a poor choice in words.”
Bet he will say something almost exactly like that. Doubt he’ll apologize directly to Loretta, I think he will just say “it was not meant to come off sounding sexist, but she is an idiot.”
Dana is apologizing to the GLAAD and feminists, not to the individuals in question.
But it should make everyone happy again.
Because he is more than...
entitled to hold harsh views of Loretta and her sources. What he needs to apologize for is the language used to express his views, not for having them to begin with.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, if Dana learned a better grasp of the english language he could become a far better spokesperson for the UFC.
Dude has to evolve with the rest of the sport, if it does get to the level of NBA or NFL one day and he is still around, his lack of verbal dexterity is going to be seen as a road block.
I’m telling you they need to just hire Randy Couture to be the public face of the company and let Dana run the company without the constant spotlight. Randy is a great ambassador for the sport and is more level headed in public than Dana is. If they are going to keep Randy around they might as well use him at what he is best at.
Wait.....
what is Dana apologizing for? Did I miss something? Not for cursing in his little video diary right?
Nice to see Don King got a job writing tag lines for GLAAD
Dana White will make it right.
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After watching the video I don’t really think he needs to say anything. Dana is a a fiery guy and he was obviously ticked off because he felt the UFC was being attacked. Should he have perhaps chosen his words better? Maybe.
His words, while I tend agree poorly choosen, were directed at two individuals in anger when he felt they were talking shit and attacking him/UFC and if he owes anyone an apology it would be the two of them. Not GLAAD, gays, lesbians, women or anyone else.
There isn’t a person here that at some time (and probably more than once) that hasn’t, when they were hurt, angry or upset, used foul language, derogatory terms or comments towards those who hurt them, pissed them off, or slighted them.
Funny how the people who complain about him using “hurtful” words are quick to trot out (incorrectly) words like misogyny, and homophobic to label someone. Neither words are used as a compliment and both can cause more damage to a person than the hurt feelings you get form “bitch” or “faggot” (which btw, use of either word does not make someone misogynous or homophobic). Last I checked you had no right to not have your feelings hurt.
While his language is rude, crude and inconsiderate if you watched the video you know it was an emotional response directed at two people he felt was attacking him and NOT a group or community. To make it more than that looks more like an attempt to grab some attention and headlines and is a disservice to real issues that face the gay and lesbian community and women.
This argument really needs to go
because we’ve covered time and again that YES people use these types of words. However, when you’re the president of a company talking to the public you don’t get to use them. And yes, a VLOG which is going to be posted on YouTube and watched by the MMA community is absolutely speaking to the public.
You’re held to a higher standard when you’re in his situation and should be expected to live up to it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason he has to make an apology is not because of how he portrayed his individual views to these individual people, it is of the public views he made to the public people.
Now he has to make a public apology to clear things up, he is apologizing as president of the UFC, not as Dana White.
He may use the words in a defaming derogatory manner, and that does not insinuate his fear or loathing of homosexuals or women, but at the same token he has to own up to these public organizations, as a public figure.
If you or I were to say such things, we’d have to apologize to individuals, for Dana to say such things, he has to apologize to corporations and entire groups of people.
by DirtyML on Apr 2, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny how the people who complain about him using "hurtful" words are quick to trot out (incorrectly) words like misogyny, and homophobic to label someone.
Who’s used those terms incorrectly?
Can you cite an instance?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
Neither words are used as a compliment and both can cause more damage to a person than the hurt feelings you get form "bitch" or "faggot" (which btw, use of either word does not make someone misogynous or homophobic).
I would say the use of the word “f*ggot” pretty definitively makes someone homophobic.
I’ll assert that.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
I totally disagree with that sentiment, as well as your assessment that Dana is using “hate speech”. You’re really dragging this thing out of reach.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade[citation needed] a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. -Wikipedia
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. What Dana said fits the definition of hate speeech as surely as if he’d dropped an “N” bomb.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
You really need to scale it back with the elitist bullshit. You’re perpetuating the severity of the situation with every passing comment. You’re not the champion of human rights. Temper your enthusiasm.
Furthermore, this is a more complex explanation, which puts “hate speech” into a more profound context;
…abusive, insulting, intimidating, and harassing speech that at the least fosters hatred and discrimination and at its worst promotes violence and killing.
And that’s from the Supreme Court, not fucking Wikipedia.
That being said, Dana did not attack the individual he called a “faggot” based on their sexual preference. And his attack on Hunt was filled with name calling, like many of his tirades regularly are (which does not make it ok, but sets a precedent— just as calling the other individual a “faggot” with no clear basis for the attack to infer their sexual orientation). If you’re trying to tell me that he’s definitively singling out Hunt because she’s a woman, and is hateful towards women as a group, you’re just piling on.
The terms “hate speech” and “hate crime” are not to be taken lightly, even if you manage to find a definition of the term that supports your thinking. I am an active contributor and volunteer with several prominent human rights organizations, and for you to characterize Dana White’s words as encouraging hatred and discrimination is as abhorrent as the idea that it is.
If you want to get wild eyed about the unfair treatment of homosexuals and women, I will gladly forward you literature to matters of true consequence. Or at least those that are much more substantial than a witch hunt after a foul mouthed MMA executive who clearly made a very stupid mistake.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
I guess we can agree to disagree, and just find common ground that it probably shouldn’t be said, but I believe it fits the definition of hate speech, and make no apologies for calling it as such.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was watching Hell’s Kitchen a few hours ago (yes, I watched Hell’s Kitchen) and a guy on the Blue all-men’s team said “Let’s beat these bitches” about the mostly female Red Team. On network television. In prime time. Uncensored.
So you characterize that as hate speech? Fox should have full mail boxes by now…
So yes; we will certainly agree to disagree.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Hell’s Kitchen is awesome. I think the female team called themselves “Hell’s Bitches” last season.
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by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember that
I dig that show too, but I’ll watch most anything where people are cooking (I’m a foody, which was made obvious by my identification of the fuckin apple tarte tatin on Nate’s profile image).
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
You don’t find it at all telling that a lot of the pieces covering the whole flap are leading with what he said about Loretta over the F bomb?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I've already said that I find it to be the more reprehensible attack
But he exhibited ignorant use of the english language, not an intention to damage a group of human beings. He said some stupid shit and should apologize. Meanwhile, you’re about to march on Capital Hill.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
when is shortly going to get here? i think the whole hardcore nation is waiting. :)
by bdw on Apr 2, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Does using that term in a derogatory manner someone…
Insensitive: Yes
Homophobic: No
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.
In what way does Dana’s behavior not conform to that definition?
If somebody drops an “N” bomb, they’re racist. Likewise, if you go around saying f*ggot, you’re a homophobe.
The good news is you just have to resolve to stop behaving like that in order to stop being one.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You are attempting to characterize who someone is and what they believe in based on the use of one word. Not only that but you decided the only possible characterization for said person is that they are homophobic.
You are making a large assumption that simply by using a word, even in a manner not directed at the group in question, that it automatically means the person harbors fear or contempt for that group of people. I don’t know if Dana is afraid of or has contempt for the homosexual population because I don’t know him so I can’t say that his behavior conforms to that definition.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Then look up the word homophobia and it’s derivatives. Simply using the word “faggot” does not mean you have, “an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people”. Just as calling someone a “bitch” does not mean that you “Hate women”. Both are simply words used in a derogatory manner to gain a desired response or effect.
You can certainly stick by your assertion though technically it would be incorrect.
As to where they were used they have been on front page posts by Luke (quote from another blog or site I believe) as well as various other blogs, sites that are reporting on this.
To Brent Brookhouse I absolutely agree, you are spot on.
Now this mole hill has already been made in to a mountain so I do not plan to post more on it. Right now out there people are kicking ass in the cage and rings and I would much rather read about/discuss that. Stay safe.
Both are simply words used in a derogatory manner to gain a desired response or effect.
and that is the definition of hate speech (see above).
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Everywhere except the dictionary, apparently.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They also didn’t get $180 billion in bailout money, but this ain’t that kind of blog.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think a real UFC fan would want this to be dealt with properly and for the company to grow beyond it’s current fan appeal as opposed to ignoring it or trying to sweep it under the rug.
You’re not defending this as cover to be a “pawn” the other 364 days out of the year.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 2, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What did I say earlier about being reasonable?
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing about this is is that the people who even know that this even happened only make up about 1/4 if not a 1/5 of the UFC’s market. We all that are “hardcore” MMA fans like to think that MMA is the biggest sport in the world and that everything that happens negitive or positive will be noticed by the entire public. The truth is, Dana can do anything he wants cuz we will always watch and the majority of people that watch and buy the events dont even know about these websites to even get informed enough to even care. Next time there’s a UFC PPV on dont stay at home and watch it, go to a bar and even ask a couple of people randomly if they even know about “greasegate” the so called biggest story ever…no one knows. Just like no one knows about this. Its not about what he said, its about the affect it will have on the sport and growing it….which is none….sorry Loretta but I wouldn’t say sorry knowing that
Yes we love MMA, and yes, Dana can be entertaining. But it is also our job as fans to tell him when he crosses the line. Which is exactly what has happened.
Its not a mission, this sort is still so young that all people care about is watching it and moving on to the next one… inform all you want but the average person is just not invested in the sport yet to give a crap about what Dana says … I know because Dana says a lot of dumb stuff and a lot of crap happens with fighters outside of the octogon that should make the UFC look very bad but the UFC is bigger than ever cuz know one cares about the politics of it yet. There will come a time when it will matter but thats not anytime soon
This is the kind of news that grows beyond people who care about the sport to people who care about what other people with big mouths say. Lets face it the media loves this kind of stuff and it’s already grown much farther than anyone thought it would yesterday, hopefully tomorrow will be better instead of even worse but we just can’t count on that anymore (thanks to all the work the UFC has done to push the sport into the mainstream).
what he said has not grown at all…. by this time next week no one will be talking about this at all.
If no one knew about it then it wouldn’t of been on the front page of MSN and Dana wouldn’t of had to worry about GLAAD coming after him, I just noticed that Newsday picked it up. I wish it would go away without getting bad attention but we are past the time where we can just assume that MMA news will get ignored by the general public.
For that fact I honestly never heard of GLAAD until today…. this will all be dismissed by the average joe that watches the UFC which is UFC’s bread and buter audience
The fact you have never heard of them doesn’t mean that the UFC’s sponsors haven’t. Gay people drink Bud light too. He will apologise and hopefully this will go away (this time) but this may have a real affect that you expect and it definatly will have the media types looking for the next time he opens his mouth.
he shouldn’t say sorry at all cuz its just adding more attention…it will blow over and he knows it…. and the amount of bud that gays drink versus the average hill billy redneck is pretty small… sponsers wont be hurt…. we like blowing this up cuz its great to talk about, yeah what he said was un called for but its not like bud will pull its sponsership from the UFC
You haven’t heard of GLAAD so I’m not sure how you know how much pull they do or don’t have, particularly with sponsors, and more importantly than even that future sponsors and partners. If they don’t want this to blow over in a week then they will see that it doesn’t. It’s not like they have even started contacting the mainstream media to push the issue yet. Those people will be happy with the apology they have been promised and they will leave it alone but if they don’t get that then they are liable to push the issue(heck it gets them more media coverage too).
The attention that this has got on MMA sites and the responses it has drawn show that this is a lot more than just a drop in the bucket with the hardcore fans too. Doesn’t the sport already have enough public perception problems without a homophobe or a woman bashing scandal.

It would be funny if “UFC chief White delivers profanity-laced tirade” just led to a review of the TUF 9 season premiere.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
“White delivers profanity-laced tirade” is not news at all! That’s like reporting “Yes, the sky is still blue”.
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by themachiavellian on Apr 3, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
but do you really think anyone is not gonna watch the UFC anymore cause Dana hurts someone’s feelings? Honestly we still continue to watch and he will always say the same thing over and over again.
but your still watching and seeing sponsers that pay the UFC money so in the end the UFC still wins….and you will watch regardless, pay or not
But they're right
This is not going to effect UFC’s economics in any meaningful way.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
Will it? It won’t affect today but who knows what it will do in the future, hell who thought that freaken GLAAD was even paying attention to the sport now?
How much later is the next time Dana White puts his foot in his mouth? Next month, next year? How about he just stops pushing his luck and starts acting like the 40 year old adult that he is?
Ugh
People loooove controversy. You must watch a lot of ESPN. Dana isn’t going to do this again. He’s not an idiot.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
i dont have espn in canada, and dana will do it again….and your right people do love it… honestly its the hardcore fans that hurt the sport…blowing everything out of proportion…. hardcore fans blew greasegate way out proportion and went on about it for many weeks, because they want the controversy cuz they need something bad to talk about
Blaming the hardcore fans for wanting to talk about the sports issues is silly. Are we supposed to be mindless sheep or actually interested in what goes on in the sport? Greasegate wasn’t just some crazy fan device, White constantly talked about it, all sorts of fighters and coaches and refs chimed in on it and even BJ Penn’s mother was making statements, lets not act like it would of went away if we had just ignored it.
I hope you are right, well you are right that people love controversy. I hope your right that I will never have to talk about this subject ever again and Dana will keep his obsenity laced tirades to a more acceptable level.
I’ve been saying that it took this to clean up his act a bit. The swearing, I have no qualms with. But the name calling should end, and I honestly believe this will be the end of it (at least, the most offensive bits). Dana’s a successful businessman and is much more intelligent than he lets on. His character is part of his appeal to fans, and he’s taken some liberties along the way. I expect that he’ll collect himself and avoid future errors in judgment of this nature, being that he’s fully aware that he’ll now, and forever more, be under a microscope.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
If they don’t grow they will eventually be in trouble. This isn’t about the people that watch now it’s about the UFC’s stated goal to grow into the mainstream, this kind of thing just doesn’t fly in the mainstream. Stagnation of audience isn’t a good thing nor is scaring off big name sponsors and mainstream media coverage just because you can’t occasionally exert a small amount of control over your own personal statements.
not growing? despite everything that has happened in MMA and the UFC its blown up so huge now that this won’t stop it. new people that cross over slowly grow into the sport and not dive in right to notice the politics… more and more people discover UFC not MMA and because of that the UFC can protray an image that they want them to see through UFC outlets….why do you think Dana’s vlog aren’t on the UFC website? cuz they know he says dumb things that might hurt them… but when your new you only go to the UFC website where none of this is even mentioned. Its only later when the average new viewer decides to venture outside that website to find ones like these and by then they are already hooked and things like this wont sway them from the sport
If you start pissing off mainstream groups then it’s going to be hard to get them to give you money in the future. How about instead of risking potental PR disasters take the very small step of controlling your own statements once in a while.
Yes the UFC doesn’t post them on the UFC website, the post them on the vastly more popular Youtube website.
and not that many watch them on youtube compared to the number of PPV buys they have let alone the crowded homes and bars….and MMA isnt big enough yet to worry about PR disasters… and once the UFC does reach where they want to be sponsers will be breaking down the door just to get a piece of the pie cuz its all about the money to them and the UFC is becoming a cash cow
Wouldn’t PR scandals be a bigger issue when you are smaller instead of when you are more established?
i can remember when the ufc lost randy couture, their undisputed hw champ and possibly their most famous fighter and the face of that organization. it made all the headlines as well including espn’s sportscenter, and many thought this would really hurt the ufc then and in the future. it didn’t. the ufc just got bigger and better and didn’t misss a beat. eventually randy had to come back. this is definetly a diferent scenario, but the “scandal” was just as big, if not bigger. the end result WILL be the same. this wont hurt the ufc now or in the future, i sincerely doubt if it will even stall them slightly. just my opinion.
Says posted 29 minutes ago on the article, is this a second article about it?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2009-04-02-1962424511_x.htm
Classy quote from Loretta:
“I stand by the story, it’s accurate,” she said. “His reaction, I think it’s more of a distraction from the actual story about the UFC and the managers and what’s going on with them. Me, personally, I don’t want to get involved in this… I’m a journalist, and journalists, sometimes you do stories that people don’t like.”
by Chris Nelson on Apr 3, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
We can’t let Dana’s behavior here cause collective amnesia about how much Loretta Hunt sucks.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
White’s response was out of line, but Hunt still isn’t credible.
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LA Times pulls out some of the usual suspects for some quotes:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-mma-white3-2009apr03,0,5903954.story
Told of White’s comments, boxing promoter Bob Arum said White is “a little too much of a loose cannon. He’s nuts, man.”
Richard Schaefer, chief executive of Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions, said White’s video “crosses the line and hurts the brand.”
UFC has “built an amazing asset — the gold standard — but when you have people associated with your company saying things like that . . . it becomes a liability,” Schaefer said. “The UFC is followed by a lot of young fans. When they hear the president of the company use this language, it sends the wrong signal.”
I was trying to follow the thought process that got this journalist from Dana White tirade to “I need to call up Bob Arum and see what he thinks”?
‘Who can I find that will bash Dana White?’
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 3, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy, fighting is fighting. Pretty much a view that a lot of the main stream media share.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
I just assumed Arum called the journalist in question.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
Wow, some people are making this to be way much more than it is.
Yes Dana used a derrogatory term for homosexual in a heated video. Much of the population does the same in casual conversation. He in no way was saying it out of hatred or contempt for homosexuals, but I do see where some would take it as such. GLAAD asked for an apology, Dana White is being quick to do so.
I know a lot of people who toss the term Dana used around like it was a conjunction, so for Dana “Do you want to be a fuck fuckity fuck fucking fighter” White to toss that word out when he’s pissed off and wants to call someone a demeaning word, is it that suprising that he tossed that word out?
Does it make Dana look bad, yes, of course it does, the man is the president of one of the most successful companies in recent history. Will Dana’s apology fix things overall, yes, I put money on Dana’s apology being well put and meaningful rather than empty, most people will be satisfied.
I’m suprised that so many people are taking extreme sides on this story, I mean shit people, it’s not like Dana said “I hate fucking f*****s” and he didn’t exactly talk about his walk through the park the other day…heaven forbid something be a fixable slip up now adays.
And thats the thing that gives me a headache. Oh well…if you can’t beat them, join them…
Dana is a neo-nazi! It’s obvious, I mean, he has a bald head!!! Burn him at the stake!!…
People in general are so stupid now…lol
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 3, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Reading some people’s posts thats the only conclusion I can draw.
You know full well I’m not talking about the intelligent discussions from the BE regulars but rather the smug mini-rants from people that offer nothing new on the topic at hand but are intent on convincing no-one in particular that the sky is pink.
It’s not about being fixable it’s about mitigating the damage done. Dana White isn’t one of us normal people he is the very visible head of a global billion dollar company and one of the most recognized figures in the entire sport. Public figures have to play by different rules because the things they say have a much larger range of influence. Hopefully he will say the right things and it will blow over but there will be some damage done and I figure we have probably lost the vblogs from here on out.
Mitigating the damage done is the general idea of what I wanted to get at, I don’t think I did it too well, screw it, it’s late. haha
So long as the situation gets stablized, then thats what matters, the fact is, Dana should know when to shut the fuck up. He tried vent about the article Hunt wrote and just made an ass out of himself. They should ditch the vblogs, because of the simple fact that it brings the consumer on a more intimate level with the producer…and when the producer is Dana, I think he should keep a professional distance, and cut this reality video blog bullshit.
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 3, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the vblogs would be fine if there was someone there to stop Dana before he put something like that on Youtube, obviously that isn’t the case. Dana had some good points to make in there but he just blew them due to a lack of self control. There may be some lingering damage but hopefully he just won’t do that again, which would be a good thing that could come out of this.
Dana’s point got really watered down in the video, it’s bad. I read the article, thought it was bull, then Dana went off the hinges.
Maybe I just think he handled it so bad because of my style, I like to really think things through and prove a point, rather than come out tongue swinging (insert gay joke here? haha).
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 3, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I will play my game beneath the spin light.
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by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 3, 2009 2:49 AM EDT reply actions
Man that looked like he is taking it pretty hard, you almost get the feeling that he was hurt that they took it that way.
Noticed that he only apologised to the gay community, sorry Hunt. :D
I’ve got a feeling he didn’t have a concept of how that was so obviously going to blow up in his face when he said it and that he does look sincerly sorry for it. I doubt the Fertitta’s pushed him into it as it looks unscripted and definatly is his own words(although I expected Lorenzo would be behind it I am pleasantly surprised it didn’t come off that way). Still that is just my opinion after watching it a couple of times, who knows what went on behind the scenes.
Dana is now saying he is going to take a step back and reduce his public role in the company, which is probably a good thing. The guy just doesn’t have the personality to sit in the public eye without ruining his own life. I hope it’s a sign that they will hire someone to be the PR face of the UFC and just let Dana do his job running the company.

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