UFC Removes Dana White "F*ggot" Video
by Luke Thomas on Apr 2, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
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The day after the face of MMA called Loretta Hunt a "dumb fucking bitch" and her anonymous source a "faggot", the UFC (or whoever is in charge of these video blogs) removed the video. I am certainly not the word police and don't believe we should ask for White's head. I also don't think dragging him out before the public to get some manufactured apology is going to rememdy any situation. The only salient issue moving forward is whether White is capable of respecting the parameters of entry into the mainstream. If yesterday is any indication, you have plenty of cause for concern.
And on the day that Dana White called an anonymous source a "faggot", I wondered how the gay employees of the UFC felt. I know fighters are perceived as "independent contractors" (hee haw), but let's assume they are part of the UFC family. While the self-selection effect is going to remove some statistical normalcy here, let's assume on the low end 1% of the population is gay, which would mean its possible at least a handful of UFC employees - from the production crew, to PR, to the fighters, etc - are homosexual. I wonder how they felt to hear their boss equate femininity, character weakness and obsequiousness with their identity.
Or how about the gay and lesbian members of the larger MMA community? Do you think they felt marginalized? The rampant homophobia inundating the MMA community is nothing new and must make the gay and lesbian among us even more locked into hiding their identity. They also have the lovely honor of being marginalized in the mainstream for enjoying or being a part of MMA and marginalized within MMA for being homosexual. How fair.
Last thing: I downloaded a copy of the video. So while it's not on YouTube, it's on my hard drive. Gone but not forgotten. Just a friendly reminder.
UPDATE: For those of you who think I'm highlighting this issue because I don't like Dana White's choice of diction, you have reading comprehension issues I can't help you with. This is not some phony, outraged witch hunt because of a word violation. I wouldn't waste my time with that. This is about the measures we - you, me, Dana White, everyone - take, the culture we foster in the MMA community and what that all means for the sport's future. The only conclusion I can reasonably draw at this point is that there is a significant portion of the community either incapable of understanding what's at stake or unwilling to make the necessary changes. And that's incredibly sad.
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I agree this behavior at some point will become unacceptable
for the UFC President. However, I think that this is more the case of White’s upbringing in the Northeast where several of my very close friends were raised & every single one of them speaks in basically the same manner. I am not excusing it or even saying that all people from that region speak that way, just that these words do not mean the same thing to this region that they do to other areas. It seems that the word “faggot” really means pussy or spineless to this area & not so much a homophobic slur like it is other places. Still, this latest video blog from White was way across the line & he has got to realize or be told that this is not the way the most visible head of the UFC should be coming across.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I served 6 years in a combat arms unit in the USMC
You don’t think I encountered plenty of people from colorful backgrounds who thought “faggot” was perfectly acceptable? Who gives a flying fuck? Background is irrelevant, particularly given the stakes. Stop enabling these people by finding some tangential excuse. It’s not acceptable, period.
by Luke Thomas on Apr 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Take it easy Luke.
I am not excusing or accepting this behavior from White. All that I said was this language does not mean the same thing to some in that part of the country. My only point was that his statements were not intended as gay bashing in my opinion. It is unacceptable behavior for anyone, much less the head of a large company.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It doesn't work that way though...
I was raised with some members of my family (not my mom or dad to clear that up) who used the “n-word” to mean anyone who is ignorant or lazy. That doesn’t mean that it’s cool for me to run around using it as I wish because “I don’t intend it as racist hate speech”
All I’m saying is that you can’t say you can use whatever words you want just because you were raised in a different environment. If that makes sense…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Great point & of course you cannot nor
should you use these words. I am not making excuses or accepting this from White. My only point was I did not take it as a homophobic slur.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I think the opposite in fact, people give words power, they should stop caring so damn much about the syllables coming out of the mouth and caring more about the sentiment behind them.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
the sentiment behind
calling Loretta Hunt a dumb fucking bitch was pretty toxic and had she been present would have been the definition of “fighting words”.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Right,
so why are we not talking more about that remark? This was actually directed at someone & not to an anonymous source. I just do not see why we are making more of his “faggot” comment than his “dumb fucking bitch” comment.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Oh I agree with that, but it is the use of the word faggot more as a general insult rather than slur against gay people.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Exactly.
White’s use of the word “faggot” in this instance was to call the anonymous source’s not wanting his/her name used as being spineless. Again, although this is a very inflammatory term it is not thought of by many in that region as so.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
What White meant is irrelevant to how people take what he said, your putting the emphasis on the wrong side of understanding. Dana White put this on youtube a site with global viewership the way that statement will be taken is dependant on the listener not the person who said it. Being stupid about what you say is no excuse when your the president of a global billion dollar company.
Right...
and that’s the point…he used a term that means a specific TYPE of person (gay) and used it to say that someone is spineless. When you use hateful words to convey hateful thoughts…
…you know what…I give up. I get it…everyone thinks faggot is perfectly fine.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I do not think that it is fine at all
Would you be more offended if Loretta Hunt was a man & he said dumb fucking bitch? Would it then be offensive to women? It is not about the faggot comment for me. The whole thing was out of line, but people seem to be singling out the homophobic portion of this & ignoring the rest.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
because it is the much more..
inflammatory term.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Ask your mother or wife how inflammatory/derogatory calling them a bitch would be to them.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It doens't mean the same thing here?
I live in NYC and have family in Mass and Faggot means the exact same thing here as it does in the rest of the country. Derogatory term for homosexuals, which was extended to heterosexuals to insult them for being like “those” people, since being like those people is so horrible.
If you don’t put value in your words that’s fine, but please don’t fault others for caring about how they are verbally treated.
by asa on Apr 3, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I spent the first 22 years of my life in Boston and heard people throwing around “faggot” and worse every day. It doesn’t make it okay, and I don’t say it because I know it ain’t right.
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by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That is exactly my point,
this is way less a homophobic slur than we are making it out to be. Again, I am not excusing or accepting this behavior at all. But for White, this is really no different than saying FUCK, SHIT or PUSSY every other word. To jump up in arms when he uses the word faggot & ignore the rest seems silly. He called a woman an ignorant bitch & called her source a pussy. Are we not upset for all of the women in the world that he offended with those remarks?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I'm upset with the bitch thing also...
but the fact is that faggot is 100% a homophobic slur. It is the most hateful thing that you can say to a gay man (as told to me by my gay family members). You don’t get to change the impact of a word just because some people like to use it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I am quite certain
that calling a woman a bitch is 100% offensive to the majority of women in the world & there are far more women, I would think, than gay people. My point is that we are concentrating on the word “faggot” from him when there were multiple offensive things said in that blog. Calling a lot of women a “bitch” is the equivalent of the old “fuck your mama” line, just ask my girlfriend!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
you're splitting hairs
the reality is White made a major faux pas with using both terms.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Of course he did,
so why aren’t more of us complaining about the “dumb fucking bitch” comment? That is my only point.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Thank You!
All of us have mom’s I am assuming and/or girlfriends which is why I do not understand why the bitch comment is not more offensive.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
My girlfriend just relayed to me a story about a couple she knew where bitch was a term of endearment. Apparently the guy’s family was extremely rude to his wife and rather than getting up in arms they laughed it off and started using it jokingly, which over the years turned into a pet name.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
So what?
I bet they wouldn’t think it is a pet word if a stranger walked up to her and called her a bitch.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Same word choice, different intent. That is all I am saying.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Yeah...
an agreed upon term of endearment between two people vs. a direct use of a slur to demean someone.
I get it…seriously. You just think that we give words power. I think centuries of words having a specific meaning trumps the “it only matters if we let it”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
faggot is 100% a homophobic slur. It is the most hateful thing that you can say to a gay man
This I completely disagree with. There are a lot more hateful words you can say, but more importantly it is the sentiment behind the words that is hateful. People really need to stop giving the words power, words are words.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Words have actual meanings. That’s what makes them so useful. It’s also what makes some of them so offensive.
Faggot is a bundle of sticks, fag is a cigarette in the UK, gay means happy.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He may have. That ought to be his defense.
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Seriously
I honestly have no idea what to say to you. You literally think this is an issue of semantics and NOT ideas? Please tell me you’re kidding. You’ve got to be joking.
You are getting pretty heated in this so far Luke. All I am saying is I wish people wouldn’t get so up in arms over word choice rather than sentiment behind the words.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Was Dana’s intention not to be insulting and offensive? Do you think this was a term of endearment or something?
I wish people would get pissed off about the sentiment, and not about the word choice.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I wish a dump truck would drop off a load of hundreds in my backyard but unfortuantly that’s just not how the world works.
Dana can’t complete a sentence without using the word ‘fuck’, why would anyone expect this guy to be ‘politically correct’, the benefit of being rich as fuck is that you can say what you what and drop a few bucks ANY time you get fined……………………suck it up, that’s how the world works.
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If a gay man thinks it’s a homophobic slur then that is how he is going to take it everytime he hears it regardless of the personal sentiment of the person who said it. Words have always had power and they always will, yea it might not be what’s intended but that’s just how it is. It’s just one of those things that you have to live with, particularly in today’s society.
Tilting at windmills is fun…but not generally productive. What I am trying is apparently futile. I just wish people would care less about words and more about the sentiment behind them, I think more problems would be solved.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
I know what you are saying but that doesn’t change the fact that regardless of how you wish things are that isn’t how they work. When you are in the position that Dana White is in you should be worried not just about what you mean but also about how people will percieve your statements. We live in a world where general perception is more important than intended meaning and that isn’t likely to change any time soon.
Well it has to start somewhere! Now where did I put that lance…
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oh ya! youre right! ..they can't hide it cause lots of peoples have it downloaded before..
..and nick, what have you been doing recently? post up some stuff from time to time! :) …the media stuff we get here hasn’t been the same..
I’ve been doing my best to add different kinds of stuff too, but i know it isn’t enough..
..plus i just found out that it’s hard to get people to pay attention to non ufc media. hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 2, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s still up at cage potato (break media). Once something is on the internet it’s on the internet. Still apparently someone is paying attention to PR issues at Zuffa at least.
While I don’t think saying things like “faggot” necessarily means he is homophobic, it clearly sounds ignorant and we should all strive to be better than that. Of course, some people are missing that filter, that tells them something is the wrong thing to say BEFORE they say it!
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Homophobia, Dana, and MMA
Homophobia is something of which I’ve grown weary. However, it seems to me that Dana White (or anyone else) can get away with using homophobic slurs when you consider the dimwitted majority of the MMA fan base.
This in no way implies that Dana should receive a free pass for this, but I think there won’t be as much of a ground swell amongst the fan base to have Dana apologize, let alone show a marginal amount of constraint in the future.
It’s very unfortunate that he said what he said, but it’s difficult for me as a straight person to take the great offense that a gay person might over this issue. While I think it’s utterly idiotic, especially in 2009, to care about a person’s sexual orientation, I don’t know that dressing down Dana for speaking in an inflammatory fashion is particularly useful. I’m sympathetic to the aim in this case, but it smacks of screaming into the wind in this case. While I don’t think we have a lot of prior examples of Dana using that or similar slurs associated with sexuality, it’s not as though Dana hasn’t been otherwise inflammatory in the past, nor will he cease to be in the future.
Yes, it’s a shame. No, it’s not going to change. His diction was poor, but the attitude is what has endeared Dana to so many fans.
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You can still be a hip/edgy tell it like it is guy and be smart with your statements too. The thing here was that Dana had some real points to make about Hunt and her article and instead of that being what viewers were left with people are talking about his hissy fit (and not just on this site, that’s how pretty much every site covered it). Sure it’s rude and offensive but it also is a very ineffective way of presenting your side of a debate.
by who me on Apr 2, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Debate and Intelligent Discourse
I can’t just take your statement (as quoted by Luke) and agree with it wholesale. It’s all about context.
What I was aiming at in my previous post was while it’s easy to say “this is not how a person should act,” it’s difficult to have that sentiment resonate with at least a large contingent of MMA fans. I’d guess we’re talking about the great majority of MMA fans, but I’ll be optimistic and not go that far.
There are entirely too many examples of this inflammatory diatribe amongst basically all areas of MMA, from the fighters, to the heads of organizations (or, at least an organization), to the fans, to those who would claim to cover the sport. It’s difficult then, for me, to say “well, Dana White is in particular a jerk” because of what he’s said here, when I think individuals from the aforementioned entities within MMA would use far more colorful inflammatory language in similar situations.
In short: I’m lamenting the immaturity of the MMA community on most every level.
But, if you want to hold Dana White, the recognized leader of the most important organization in the sport, then I won’t argue with you. I just don’t think it’s a cause that’s particularly worth fighting, consider those who you would want to help lead the charge are probably operating on a lower level of maturity with even less tact than Dana has just displayed.
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"In short: I’m lamenting the immaturity of the MMA community on most every level."
Great statement.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This particular incident was Dana delivering a rebuttal to a Loretta Hunt article, one where she didn’t rant and rave like a lunatic (although I think his points completly negate everything she wrote). It’s not just his language that was the issue there it was his entire reaction, he was trying to prove a point and put here in her place by disproving her entire premise and instead he came off acting like a toddler who had a toy taken away from them. If the context is what is important than the context of this particular incident was much worse than him just dropping f bombs for fun and profit as this was a statement that was supposed to actually mean something. He had the winning hand and he blew it because he just couldn’t stop from degenerating down to childish name calling.
White's Reaction to Hunt
See, I disagree with your last sentence. I haven’t had the chance to view the video myself, but if as you point out Dana was able to use facts to refute points that Hunt had asserted in her article, then the additional inflammatory language was used, as it always is, to appeal to the LCD.
I mean, it’s not like we have to look particularly hard to find people who not only agree with what Dana said in the video, they are rallying around what he’s said. So to say it’s not an effective strategy in a debate setting, to me, isn’t true in the context of the MMA community at large.
Please don’t misunderstand me as saying I think ad hominem attacks are a true means with which to emerge victorious in a true exchange of intelligent discourse. But I think in this case there’s hardly any intelligent discourse of which to speak.
I’ll add also that, while I don’t think this in any way excuses Dana, I think that if the MMA community by and large eschewed these sorts of sophmoronic behaviors that Dana would be less inclined to resort to them. But they don’t, so he does. Again, that shouldn’t give him a free pass, but it may help to provide some explanation as to why he chooses to speak the way he does.
That, to me, makes more sense than writing him off as a bigot or a fool.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
The very fact that we are discussing White’s ranting as opposed to Hunt’s article that he shot holes in shows that he completly failed(and by “we” I mean pretty much the entire internet MMA community). If he had torn her down but exhibited the level of control that separates a spoiled 4 year old from a well behaved 5 year old then it would of put the emphasis on her article instead of his foul language. He was trying to disprove her article with his own examples but he couldn’t get through a whole point without spewing constant petty insults, even for White it was a pretty pathetic showing.
It would be the equivalent of me adding “your a dumbass cocksucker and I hope you die you retarded prick, don’t you know who I am” a dozen times in the above post, would that make my arguement more compelling or less?
A Compelling Argument
I believe that a certain audience would certainly find that addition to be more compelling, yes.
Also, I feel the fact that Hunt’s article is an afterthought is actually a boon for Dana. Not that it went away in the way he intended, but it is now very much secondary to the issue at best.
So, he’s got that going for him, which is nice.
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The problem with “a certain audience” is that Zuffa is trying to break out of a certain audience and go mainstream. What flies with 18 year old boys normally isn’t going to be ok with the general public.
As far as the article going away yea you are right that no one is talking about that anymore but still wouldn’t of been better for the truth to get out as opposed to leaving people thinking what they were thinking?
Mainstream Appeal and Homophobia
I’d argue that, unfortunate though it may be, that homophobia is a mainstream sentiment in this country.
"BJ on the BE" - Kierkegaard
So is hypocracy, they might think one thing in private but that doesn’t mean they will accept it said in public. Of course a lot of those people are going to take offense to the other things he said too, it’s not like White is shy about spreading the hate around. The US is a pretty screwed up place as far as morals go but honestly this isn’t about morality or hypocracy it’s about selling PPVs to the widest base of casual fans as possible and it’s bad business to insult groups of people when you goal is to get them to buy your product.
Arrested Development
Dana White is still emotionally an adolescent. Adolescent males have very little impulse control. Dana is ignorant to the fact that being a homosexual is not a bad thing. What’s more concerning is that the term “homo” is still used as an insult among young males 13 – 20. I expect it from the 30-50 crowd but I would hope it was washing out with our youngsters and it is not.
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This is not just a Dana White thing either.
I remember watching a blog with White & Hendo where they were both talking shit about gay people. This is a testerone driven sport & most involved are not that in touch with their feminine side & probably not that accepting of anything outside the norm.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Who Cares?
This is a NOTHING story. It makes no impact except to signify how much of a VICTIMIZED and OFFENDED culture we have now. Find a video of Dana beating on a gay person and then we’ll talk. A throwaway word used as a middle-school insult isn’t even a crime in Barney Frank’s mind. He was called the same thing on the floor of the congress and only complained about it mildly. It’s not professional; big deal. The UFC is fighting to survive, they’re not at the point where it needs to be all-suits and lawyers like the NFL or other major sports leagues.
by ProCannonFodder on Apr 2, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
Baseball is mainstream. Baseball is boring. Boy bands are mainstream. Boy bands are boring. Fighting will never be mainstream, because people will always liken it to gladitorial fights. Boxing was never mainstream.
What?
Boxing was never mainstream? That is insane. I…I don’t even know what to say about that. It’s so beyond reality that…I…I don’t know.
ALso…I like baseball.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh you did not just bash hanson, nsync, and backstreetboys!!! ;p
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by uncle finster on Apr 2, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
HUH?
Have you heard of Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Joe Louis, Joe Johnson, Jimmie Braddock, or how about the great white hope, max schmeling, sugar ray leonard, oscar de la hoya, MIKE TYSON!
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by Richard Wade on Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue isn’t that a guy was a potty mouth it’s that the head of the world’s largest global MMA company had a giant sized offensive laden melt down on a global website and that kind of thing isn’t going to fly if Zuffa really wants to take this sport to the next level. Whether we are personally offended or not is one thing but Zuffa risking a PR disaster just because Dana lacks vocal self control is something else entirely.
HA
Yea, that’s what I’m doing because I choose not to be part of a OFFENDED whine fest. There are real problems to worry about, this just isn’t one of them.
by ProCannonFodder on Apr 2, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Dude your on the internet discussing MMA, please don’t act like you are more concerned with “real problems”. Just by showing up and saying your bit you are choosing to be a part of this, I guess maybe in your spare time you are curing global warming or feeding the homeless but right now you are blowing time talking about a MMA topic with the rest of us.
by who me on Apr 2, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm.
Maybe I was curing global warming, you don’t know… My point is that this is minor and juvenile at best, but still not a big deal.
by ProCannonFodder on Apr 2, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a big enough deal that someone at Zuffa decided to pull the video. Hell that’s more of a reaction than we have seen from Zuffa about stuff like this in a long time. Heck in the same video Dana White is giving a speech to the fighters about why it’s so important that they watch their language because that stuff can get the UFC in trouble.
White was talking about language
on network TV.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
And then went and said something bad in public that could one day end up on tv. His point was that UFC could get in trouble for languange and then he said something that from a PR standpoint could also get his company in trouble due to language.
He was talking about what recently happened
at a Wec event where several fighters used the F-bomb. He was not telling them to not curse in public period.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Dana was cursing in public when he told them to watch their language, this isn’t about saying things in public it’s about saying things “on the record”.
Dana published a official UFC statement that was a offensive hissy fit (and those vblogs are as official as a press release as far as PR is concerned), you don’t curse to the media because that gets them in trouble.
Do you honestly think
Dana White cares if he is on the record saying the word FUCK? No, but he will not be saying it on network TV.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Well obviously someone at the UFC is thinking this may be a problem because they pulled the video. Seriously if you worked for a tv network would you risk a fine by putting Dana White on the air when there is no telling when he might go off or what he might say? He’s not a stand up commedian he is the front man for a billion dollar global company that is trying to break out and get mainstream attention, saying it on a official vblog release isn’t going to reflect favorably in the eyes of the media and it isn’t going to impress anyone who they are trying to get to help them to the next level. This isn’t a personal issue, heck it’s not a right or wrong issue it’s an official corporate public relations issue and Zuffa has to see it in that light if they wish to go forward. Lets face it no one cares what we think but damn Zuffa better be very concerned with what ESPN thinks. Dana can be a hip straight talker that appeal to 18 year olds and not go off on childish obscene rants about news issues too, it’s not like one excludes the other.
Of course.
White’s language using “faggot/bitch” are completely unacceptable. How many before this one have been pulled?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I can’t think of any others that have been pulled. Of course I can’t think of any before where he went off on a childish rant either. Hell I don’t care if he cusses but he just has to be smarter about what he says, particularly when he is trying to make a business point (which is what he was making with the rant directed at Loretta Hunt).
I just meant
that White curses like an idiot in every single one. This was pulled specifically for the remarks he made about Loretta Hunt & anonymous sources. So his telling the fighters not to curse on network tv is not the same situation.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
It points out that he is media saavy enough to know that that what people say and how they say it is an issue. There is a lot of irony in them filming a segment where Dana lectures the fighters to watch their language because it could get the company in trouble and then in the same clip says something foul that reflects poorly on the company.
Oh no question.
It is unbelievable to me that he fucked up this bad.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Hey Luke i got the video and I put it up on youtube, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOLXBMHOje8
watchkalibrun.com
So Dana vented
what’s the big deal?
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Stern is a hired front man
Dana rebuilt the UFC with his own two hands, there’s a big difference. Thats not to say I don’t understand your point, but in this case I don’t think it’s analogous.
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by uncle finster on Apr 2, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that points to perhaps it’s time for the UFC to get a public front man with a better head for PR issues and let Dana do what he does best, running the company.
But it's only
a story here, and if no one else care’s why do we?
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by uncle finster on Apr 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Zuffa’s stated goal and the want of most MMA fans is for the sport to go to the next level, this kind of thing won’t fly at the next level. This one specific event won’t amount to much but then this one specific event isn’t the problem it’s the fact that for Dana White acting like this is the norm, he does this all the time.
Does Zuffa want to wait until one of these rants does get picked up and becomes a PR nightmare for the guy and the company and the entire sport or would it be nice if the most visible figure in the entire sport started actling like the 40 year old company president he is now?
it's a story here...
and on yahoo, and on fightlinker, and on mmaopinion, and on mmapayout…and on a LOT of other sites.
Also let’s realize that while Maggie Hendricks and CageWriter isn’t a “huge” blog it is hosted on Yahoo! and the day after people saw free fights on cable if they go to yahoo’s mma section they are going to see this. Yahoo! is a bit more mainstream that people want to accept.
it’s not JUST here that it’s a story
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant blog sites in general
my point being that its not a big story, because no one cares.
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by uncle finster on Apr 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
One last point-
do we think that Dana or Luke’s USMC buddies are all homophobics & hate women? Or do we think they are probably more a product of their environment & get caught up in the testosterone of their surroundings/situation? Again, not excusing or accepting what White said. But to jump on his “faggot” comment as “oh, he hates gays” seems a little silly. Everything that White said was literally ignorant & just shows his immaturity, not that he hates the gays & women.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
No one said...
he hates gays (at least Luke and I did not). It is that the language needs to not be used by someone in his position.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s a question of power. Dana is in a position to reach and speak to waaaay more people than I can. When he uses that language it sends messages of tacit acceptance and even promotion of the terminology. The terminology references certain social standards which are also dragged forward and tacitly endorsed. This is something that people in positions of social power can do that negatively affects people well outside of the realm of influence of the initial speaker through generation of logics of conduct and social acceptance/consent. Essentially, those in positions like Dana White is in have an ethical obligation to be sure that their language is moderated.
And I don’t get the “this is just whining” stuff. Words have power; words spoken by powerful people have more power. Dana saying this isn’t going to cause riots or anything, but it adds up and, over time, creates broad social effects. ANd besides that, it’s just damn distasteful.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I never said that,
but it comes across that way when the main portion that seems offensive to everyone is the “faggot” remark. I have repeatedly said no one should use this language, much less a company president. People seem to be concentrating on this one remark by White and pretty much disregarding the rest of his statements. Luke’s comments about his USMC buddies using this language & thinking it was acceptable goes with my point. White is juvenile & actually believes, like a lot of people in fighting or soldier scenarios, that this is alright. Which of course it is not. Good discussions though.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
People have been commenting on White’s language for years, lets not act like the president of a global billion dollar company is clueless about what the general public thinks when he curses.
Of course not.
White knows exactly who his target audience is. Which is largely the reason he speaks this way. Make no mistake, not only does White speak like this all of the time, this is a calculated plan by White to connect with his target audience.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Zuffa’s stated goal is to take the sport to the next level not to stay with the same audience they already have captured. Their current target audience is the global mainstream and what flies with 18 year old males doesn’t fly with the general public at large.
by who me on Apr 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that is their stated goal.
But by their own admission they know where their bread & butter is. Males 18-35, hence the reason White behaves the way he does. Why do you think he put on the blog his Barracuda that was being built, to bring in female viewers?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
You think power block (a group of shows that appeals to a older/different demographic)would be happy with being on the same video release with a guy having a obscene teenage like fit? You can still be cool/hip and a tell it like it is guy and smart about your statements at the same time, that would be even more important if this was an act by Dana designed to appeal to fans. Dana doesn’t have to start acting like a different person but from a public relations standpoint he does need to be more aware about the potential affects to his company from the things that come out of his mouth.
I think that "Powerblock"
is extremely grateful that they are getting any coverage at all. I am sure they are not happy about his comments, but they were at the very first of that blog & when I think back to the video I as I am sure most people do not think of putting Powerblock w/Dana.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Dana is on Power Block quite ofter (they are building him a car). Power block does quite well in ratings already and they appeal to a different demographic in a lot of way (I should point out that I am a older guy who grew up around muscle cars and trucks, I am more of Powerblock’s target demographic than Zuffa’s). Dana is also a car guy, that is why he is on there not because Powerblock needs some kind of UFC rub to help their ratings. That is the thing, that goes back to not cussing on Spike, why would they want anything blatantly obscene coming back linked to one of their other programs in any way? Even as banal and childish as SpikeTV is they still have to maintain a certain standard, imagine what other channels looking into Zuffa programming would think about these kinds of actions though?
This is the problem with the UFC right now. The fights are good — everyone criticises the macth-ups, but there’s great fights on a regular basis, the video-editing / production values are great, the commentary is ok — but so much is aimed at an 18-35 male demographic. If that works for the UFC, if that’s what they want to keep doing, then great.
Myself, I’d like to be able to sit down and watch a UFC with a 50 year old boxing fan — try and show them how great the sport is. And when Dana spouts off on one of his rants, it takes away from the sport. It makes it look like the WWF. It’s the same thing with the hackneyed pre-fight trash talk, or the staged face-offs in the octagon. The UFC’s come a long way, but there still needs to be some changes in how they do business if they want to attract fans outside of their current key demographic, and retain casual fans as they age.
by 577 on Apr 2, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What about saying fuck every other word?
He should stop cursing altogether , it’s not just the faggot thing . saying fuck every other word like a moron isn’t helpful either , I mean I can’t imagine Bill Gates talking like that you know what I mean ? No one even people in the fight business talk like White , cursing , insulting Russians(“crazy Russians” , and whatnot) . But this is an inseparable part of the UFC – White’s behavior and the antics in TUF (which the UFC encourages) are a part of the boom and success the UFC is having . Maybe he’s giving the people what they want ? Maybe Bloodyelbow folks are the elite and this type of behavior actually appeals somehow to most fans ? Something to think about…
Dana White
I respect his passion, respect his answer. But seriously…..he needs to grow up a lil….
by JVelez on Apr 2, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dana is a PR disaster just waiting to explode. For a long time people have put up with him, because of all he has done for the sport. However, “Dana being Dana” does in no way help the expansion of UFC.
Imagine how this kind of vitriol comes across to legislators considering sanctioning MMA?
Seriously, get a frontman. Let Dana be Dana, but have someone else speak to the media.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Apr 2, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
I think Bloodyelbow did a fine job with this
Dana White will continue being a dick until it either bothers enough fans or hurts his business.
I could see why people like Brock Lesnar or Dana bash gay people , being gay is still considered (falsely…) to be related with femininity and weakness , the exact anti thesis of an mma fighter . Anyway pressure from websites could only do good , it would also be nice if a few gay athletes (from whatever sports) went publicly against White.
But we also need to realize White’s behavior reflects the speech of so many people (from all around the world , Im not even from America) . “Insulting” someone by calling him gay,queer, fag or all the others is one of the most common ways to go . Do people protest when they hear someone calling someone else a queer ? Not really . Society needs to change – while jew bashing or using the ‘n’ word is mostly non existent (well ,at least not on wide forums) , using words such as ‘faggot’ is still widely accepted . So what I’m saying , as I think a lot of people said already , is that Dana is indeed a dick but in some ways he’s only a reflection of what’s going on daily in society . When I think of it , I have a friend that part of our personal humor is laughing at one another and accusing each other of being gay , as I bet a lot of you guys do too (and I’m 25) . So maybe we ALL need to change a little .
by JoelMan on Apr 2, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Do you think calling some one a "pussy"
is degrading to vagina’s?
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by uncle finster on Apr 2, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for ‘maybe we ALL need to change a little’
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not me.
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This is probably why b*tches & f*ggots shouldn’t cover this sport. Because it tends to get a little too violent and might offend their delicate feelings. This is a man’s sport. It’s violent and bloody. Bones get broken, ligaments get torn, eyes get poked, balls get kicked, and from time to time the owner of the company hurts the delicate feelings of a few p*ssy reporters.
So Dana White said a couple of bad words? Big deal. Thankfully we’re no longer in a stupid politically correct era like the 90’s where you’d be in fear of losing your job for laughing at the woman in the next cubicle who accidentally queefed.
I don't get you
I think gay people are capable of violence just like the rest of us , I have a gay friend who served in a combat unit in the army , why not ?
For u and I this isn’t a big deal because you’re not gay , but what happens if he insults jews , blacks , mexicans or hispanics ? I mean if you personally aren’t one I’m sure you could think of SOMEONE u like who’s at least part black\jewish\hispanic can’t you ? Do u get my point
I am not even going to bother
commenting on this one. I would be extremely surprised if you are older than 17.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
This is incredibly ignorant.
and you’re banned for the homophobia. We don’t allow our members to tell homosexuals that they should not be involved with our sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude made an account just to spew that crap. What a loser…
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 2, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I truly hope that dude
was making some sort of attempt at humor, but I suspect it was not.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
He probably made the account so that he could rant and not get his regular one banned
You should make it an IP Ban.
I’m a 24 and from New York, New York. I have a gay first cousin and one of my sisters best friends is gay. Basically I was raised with both of these people and they are both family to me and I get along great with both of them. I will admit that me and my friends and training partners use the word “faggot” all the time.
Contrary to popular belief the word “faggot” is actually derived from the wooden stake that was left over when they would crucify and execute homosexuals centuries ago. The left over burnt piece of wood was called a “fag” Honestly if the word does not meen being gay and is used in other contex as being a coward or uncool I think this is blown way out of proportion. I agree with the guy who posted how its not the words but the meaning behind the words that matters. Yes White should know better, trying to have the UFC go as mainstream as possible. However, I detest the fact of how PC everyone must act and live life as if their shit dont stink! He made a mistake GET OVER IT!
You do realize that you are on the internet talking about MMA right? We aren’t going to change the world, hell we aren’t going to change the sport even we are just having a discussion, if people “got over stuff” then the internet would become a very boring place. Although there is some real humor over you getting offended by the fact that other people got offended by something else but perhaps you need to chill and enjoy an interesting discussion because that’s all this is, a internet discussion.
My world was turned upside down by my bad choice of words.
I posted this in the other piece about Dana. I love Dana as an achiever and what he has done for MMA. I thought that the people who didn’t read this should because my mouth got me in so much trouble.
I was the guy that got banned by the NBA for calling Dikembe Mutombo a monkey. I had no idea it was a racist statement, but either way. I had to pay severe consequences for my words. The event became my life changing experience. Check out this story from the Orlando Sentinel to see how my life changed from my poor choice of words. http://hoomancan.com/blog/2008/08/prosportsdailycom-reports-about-once-disgraced-magic-fan-hooman-hamzehloui/
I love Dana White and I love what he has done for the sport that I love. However, I believed he could have used different words and made his point. I believe we are all humans and are entitled to make mistakes. It is how we recover from our mistakes that makes us who we are. Henry Ford said, "Win or learn, there is no failure."
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"calling Dikembe Mutombo a monkey. I had no idea it was a racist statement"
What? lol
You are not really equating Dana calling an anonymous person a faggot for being anonymous to you referring to an African-American as a monkey? Seriously?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Would it be worse to you if he called an anonymous person the n-word? Because the two words have a lot of essential similarities.
I worked as a paramedic in the inner city for years, and have dealt with a lot of ignorant people. I’ve worked in high stress environments, and I’ve been around a lot of racism, bigotry and intolerance.
The word “faggot” needs to be removed from the vocabulary of the general population, the same way the n-word has been removed in the last generation. There seems to be this lingering belief in North America that it’s ok to attack someone’s sexual orientation. It’s not. It is on exactly the same level as attacking someone for their ethnicity or for being disabled.
by 577 on Apr 2, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if this point has been made, but
the point of damage isn’t with MMA fans, but with the more mainstream parts of society that Dana and the UFC have been working to break into.
Sure, the average MMA fan might not be turned off by this (btw, some of the assumptions posted about MMA fans in here are pretty insulting too), but ESPN probably is, lots of newspapers and sponsors are probably concerned about this too.
And about language: Like several above, I am a 12 year vet of the Infantry in the Army. It would take more space than I care to waste explaining the feeling of guys in that line of work about homosexuality. Like a performance based jobs (like sports), most guys only really care if you are good at what you do. Being able to drop and enemy with a round (bullet) at 300m is far more important to your fellow grunts than if you are secretly gay. However, the derogatory language about homosexuals is used so much that has reached a point where it is somewhat divorced from its original connections. Most guys, when they call something “gay” don’t really think of the connection to homosexuality…HOWEVER, that still doens’t make it right. Still doesn’t make it something I would condone, especially now that I am out and can see it from a boader perspective.
I’m a big Dana fan, but I think he screwed up royally here and needs to serious re-think he public persona as MMA and the UFC work at moving into the mainstream. He likes to compare the UFC to the NFL and other professional sports leagues, well I doubt you would here Roger Goodell using that kind of language on any topic what-so-ever.
Good points,
but I suspect the reason you never really hear how these other heads of sports real opinions is because they are employees of the owners. When you answer to 31 or whatever bosses, you tend to hold your tongue.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
That was my big thing yesterday in my article...
this is about the ability of our sport to grow. White is a hero to a big part of the community so people stand behind him going “he’s done too much to be critical of him!” But in reality WHAT HE DOES MATTERS FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT.
I’m sorry…that’s just the reality here.
And you’re entirely right about this:
I’m a big Dana fan, but I think he screwed up royally here and needs to serious re-think he public persona as MMA and the UFC work at moving into the mainstream. He likes to compare the UFC to the NFL and other professional sports leagues, well I doubt you would here Roger Goodell using that kind of language on any topic what-so-ever.
Because everyone now suddenly wants to distance the sport and the organizations from the comparisons that THE UFC HAS BEEN MAKING FOR YEARS!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see MMA become like the major sports
It will never happen with people talking like that. They need to be ambassador’s of the sport. I am glad they removed the video.
What...Accountability?
Come on Dana…keep pushing the sport forward! The UFC is gonna be more popular than the NFL, right?
WRONG! Because you have the maturity of a Sherdog poster and about the same amount of common sense.
I am sure the UFC will overtake soccer in popularity some day, as long as you keep calling people “f*gs” and calling respected MMA journalists “dumb bitches”. You are the President of the UFC, not a 15 yr old on an MMA Forum, remember?
Stop saying stupid sh*t on camera. Thanks.
by MyFistYourFace on Apr 2, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dana White’s tirade was an act of poor judgment and taste. Ultimately, the ramifications could be steep for the UFC and MMA. In my opinion, who me is most in line with what I think about this subject. I also think dnevil001 makes some solid points. The whole of what he said bothers me more than the specific words that were used. You can draw a line in the sand over certain words that are insulting. That’s fine, but different people have different views and interpretations of specific words. I don’t see it enabling for some to point this fact out.
Dana White should significantly alter his diction, but he’s needed to do this for a long time. Now, his word usage has bled over into an area that’s offensive and unacceptable to many. Personally, the way he addressed Loretta Hunt bothers me more than the other. Her perceived bias doesn’t matter. She was specifically addressed in a derogatory way that could potentially be offensive to all women.
I will say...
I spent way too much time arguing the true “impact” of specific words and lost the point of what I was getting at.
But still.. I’d say the GLADD thing shows that it does MATTER that he used faggot because it is not just an insult…it is a word with very specific meaning and history
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say...
that there are other groups of people who are also trashed. The difference is that it’s okay or at least accepted among people who have a forum. That’s why it’s hard for me to get behind a protest based on, what I would call, narrow parameters.
In general, people that exercise little discipline in what they say or write are more prone to venture into territory that’s regarded as unacceptable even if their intent isn’t to offend a certain person or persons.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 2, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my point.
I was way more offended that he called an actual person a “dumb fucking bitch” than a general statement about anonymous sources.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
it's like Luke said though
I wonder how they felt to hear their boss equate femininity, character weakness and obsequiousness with their identity.
The attack on Loretta was bad for what it was…calling a woman a fucking bitch for writing an article on a website. Which is pretty fucking bad.
The faggot thing is bad because it is using a slur in a very specific way.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Then maybe it is just me,
but when I hear the term “faggot” the first thing that comes to my mind is pussy so it is less offensive than calling a woman a dumb fucking bitch in such a personal manner.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I think that’s exactly the point though. You hear “faggot” and you think “weakling.” That correlation between homosexuality and weakness is part of the problem with the word.
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an apology is forthcoming
Dana White humiliated himself in front of a huge MMA fanbase and the entire MMA press. Even that narcissitic prick himself knows it. He’s going to apologize for his remarks and justify his anger by proclaiming his indignation was only because he loves the fighters and the sport so much. All he needs to do is stop taking negative comments so personally and combat ignorance with graciousness. We can all imagine Dana doing that right?
“This is not some phony, outraged witch hunt because of a word violation. I wouldn’t waste my time with that. This is about the measures we – you, me, Dana White, everyone – take, the culture we foster in the MMA community and what that all means for the sport’s future.”
To each his own. If I were in your shoes as both an MMA journalist and a colleague of Loretta Hunt’s, I would be way more pissed off though. How dare he make such a baseless attack on her credibility? I mean, obviously he didn’t even read the article. His main point about the set number of credentials each fighter gets was clearly stated by Hunt.
Up until now the MMA “media” as it were has shown little to no backbone when it comes to dealing with Dana’s tyrannical outbursts and abusive behavior. Stick up for yourselves, guys.
The problem is most MMA journalist claim the title blogger so they can divert criticism and claim they aren’t journalists when they write shitty stories.
Foxsports is the only major news site covering this story and bloody elbow had 2 of the 12 articles on google regarding this topic. Hardly a media shitstorm.
Well, smoog, you won’t be happy until BE calls for him to step down, so…
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it...
you even found a way in us covering this story to still take a shot at us
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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