Worst Title Fight Ever? Check the Numbers
Promoted to the front page from the FanPosts by Luke Thomas.
Having a historical database of statistics is nice because it allows you to answer the question: In the grand scheme of things, how bad was the Silva-Leites fight? Was it just a little bad, historically bad, or the worst title fight of all time? To answer this question, we're going to analyze three different statistics:
Total "Events": An "event" in this case means anything that happens in a fight no matter how trivial. This includes every strike attempt, no matter how small, and also has all takedown attempts, standups, position changes, and submissions. A fight with a low total number of "events" would be one where the guys just stood around for a while.
Total Significant "Events": This number takes away all the low-value strike attempts (like the tiny jabs in the clinch and on the ground) and all defensive grappling actions. A fight with a low number of significant events probably meant a lot of time stalling in the clinch or a lay-and-pray situtation where only little shots were thrown.
Significant Strikes Landed: This is the total number of high-value strikes landed. If you don’t care much about activity and only care about watching two guys wail on each other, this is the measure for you.
The four title fights that we'll be looking at are Silva-Leites, Arlovski-Sylvia III, Pulver-Hallman, and Ortiz-Matyushenko. The numbers you see will be the combined totals for both fighters in the match.
Total "Events"
Silva-Leites: 236
Pulver-Hallman: 247
Ortiz-Matyushenko: 420
Arlovski-Sylvia III: 594
To start, we see that the title fight last night had the lowest total activity of any five-round decision in UFC history. To get an idea for how low 236 total events is, consider that 236 over 25 minutes means less than 10 events per minute. Average that across both fighters and it's less than 5 events per minute per fighter. That means that if you spaced these events evenly over the course of the fight, for every one thing a fighter did (no matter how small), you'd have to wait about 12 more seconds before he did anything again.
Total Significant "Events"
Ortiz-Matyushenko: 107
Pulver-Hallman: 123
Silva-Leites: 176
Arlovski-Sylvia III: 588
The thing about last night's fight was that there wasn't a lot of hugging or laying. When either fighter threw something, it tended to be significant, even if just a leg kick. If you want to see two guys do nothing major to each other for nearly a half-hour, watch Ortiz-Matyushenko, where you'd have to wait more than 35 seconds between significant events, if they were spaced evenly.
Significant Strikes Landed
Ortiz-Matyushenko: 40
Pulver-Hallman: 41
Silva-Leites: 92
Arlovski-Sylvia III: 160
The question here is whether to consider leg kicks as significant or not. We are counting them in this number, but if you eliminate them, then Silva-Leites drops to just 45 significant strikes landed, much closer to the top two.
Conclusion
First, it seems that Arlovski-Sylvia III gets a bad rap. It was derided at the time, but probably because most fans couldn't remember back to UFC 33, which got the double dose or Ortiz-Matyushenko AND Pulver-Hallman. By any measure here, Arlovski and Sylvia put on a barn-burner compared to the other three.
The deciding factor for the worst title fight comes down to which you dislike more: watching a bunch of boring stuff or watching not much stuff at all. If it's the former, then Ortiz-Matyushenko comes in as the worst because, while a lot of things happened, very few of them were worth caring about. If it's the latter, then Silva-Leites is worst because less stuff of any kind happened at all.
In the end, our money is on the hybrid approach, in which case we have to give the nod to Pulver-Hallman, which had nearly as little total activity as Silva-Leites, and had nearly as little significant activity as Ortiz-Matyushenko.
What do you think?
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I think you guys need to get stats for Shamrock/Severn 2, Shamrock/Gracie 2, and Severn/Kimo.
by michaelgaryscott on Apr 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is only dealing with fights from the modern era of UFC (we call that UFC 28 and onward). I don’t doubt that those fights had less action, but it’s not really an apples-to-apples comparison.
by FightMetric on Apr 19, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d like to see how Shamrock/Severn II stacks up here too.
But I was hoping you had something like this up your sleeve, Rami. Good stuff.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if it isn’t THE worst title fight ever – simply being rationally in the discussion as being one of the top 3-4 worst ever in the 15+ year, 100+ fight card history of the UFC is evidence enough that it was a seriously poor fight.
by Numbers on Apr 19, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats the average significant event for a fight? how much lower is this then the average fight. Just curious
by Brian Bobby on Apr 19, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to run the precise numbers, but as a quick calculation, you could look for about 13 significant events per minute for both fighters. The per minute number of events in the above fights are:
Average: 13
Ortiz-Matyushenko: 4.28
Pulver-Hallman: 4.92
Silva-Leites: 7.04
Arlovski-Sylvia III: 23.52
by FightMetric on Apr 19, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst Title Fight Ever?
Pretty much yeah.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 19, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would volunteer Kevin Randleman’s UFC title reign minus the Randy Couture fight. But yeah seeing as its before UFC 28, I’d have to go for Hallman/Pulver. Nasty Business.
And also, Arlovski/Sylvia 3 does get a bad rap. Sure it wasnt the most exciting thing ever but it was about as exciting as Cane and Cantwell and Joe Rogan called that a good fight. It was just looked at poorly because of Ortiz/Shamrock stoppag earlier and the fact that the last two times these two met it was quick finish
by SamCupitt on Apr 19, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Randleman-Rizzo was just awful.
Other than a few leg kicks, they just circled around and around. But it was at UFC 26, so it doesn’t count, I guess.
Randleman-Williams was pretty grim, too, but at least it had a few takedowns.
by Vlad on Apr 20, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was the worst fight i have ever sat through.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
by ekc on Apr 19, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a reason the first fight between BJ Penn and Jens Pulver isn’t here? Or what about the draw between Penn and Caol Uno?
by MMAEruption on Apr 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Maineiac vs. The Natural
I don’t have the numbers but the 1rst round of this title fight was boring as hell .Rrandy dropped Tim with a big right and then for the next 4 minutes unsuccesfully tried to apply a RNC.
by TheLevi on Apr 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we watched different fights but that is my favorite fight of all time especially the first round
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Apr 20, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim vs randy
“favorite fight of all time "
Really?
one punch and randy holding onto tim’s back for 4+ mins.he was never that close to submitting Tim.now that’s what I call a lack of action.
by TheLevi on Apr 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must not have watched it live or without knowing the result. Context baby, context.
by SamCupitt on Apr 21, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched it live and I enjoyed every minute of Tim not being able to get from out of Randy’s hold. I don’t think Randy was going for the RNC, I think Randy was just showing how much he could control Tim.
When it comes to boring title fights – my pick is Randy Couture vs Tito Ortiz
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Apr 21, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The spanking made that fight for me, although I do agree that it was pretty boring…that took the edge off in a big way, though
by Dabashire on Apr 21, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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