The Case for Anderson, and Actual Good Fights
Having reviewed the UFC 97 main event again in its entirety this morning with my full wits about me, I can't say I'm surprised to be hearing criticism once again directed at Anderson Silva. When unthreatened in the octagon, he's a strange and baffling fighter.
But if we feel that Anderson was dancing his way through that fight and refusing to capitalize on opportunities, what business did anyone have putting him in there with someone who would let him dance through a fight?
Call it what you will, but it was effective. He outpointed Leites, refused to get himself into trouble where Leites obviously wanted the fight, and remained light years from any danger for the entire 25 minutes. I can't claim I enjoyed it myself. With the assistance of a generous quantity of alcohol, Anderson Silva actually scored his most decisive blow of the night with a knockout victory over me midway through the third. My friends didn't even bother waking me.
Most who are familiar with Leites would contend he did the best he could with the tools available to him. This being said, what the hell were those questionably-adequate tools doing in the ring with the UFC's supposed P4P untouchable?
I for one feel the UFC is misdiagnosing the issue as a promotion; they are at times extremely conservative matchmakers who like nothing more than a good old-fashioned predictable beating. It's profitable. It's exciting. It makes the fans cheer (and has MADE more than a few UFC careers if we're being honest). And they thought they had put exactly that in the card for one of their hottest markets last night (Montreal).
If you take nothing else away from watching Anderson Silva fight, know this: the man's not just a technician. He's an artist. There's no other way to characterize the creativity with which he problem-solves in the ring. And if we want to see him perform, we have to throw him a problem. He's driven to be as close to perfect in the ring as a competitor, as the rules permit and the situation allows.
A quick digression before everyone rips my head off for saying the above: why do you love MMA? I truly believe there's two schools of thought when it comes to this question: some people watch MMA because they enjoy pure violence, and MMA delivers it in very direct fashion. Others love it because it's the fighting sport with the most dauntingly broad, complicated and frankly unsolved-for rule set (to be fair, we mostly all fall somewhere in the middle). MMA is a dialogue of strikes and leverage, brute strength and clever gameplanning in which you can spend more time listing techniques that are allowed than are not. Nobody's truly figured out the unquestionably best approach to fighting in MMA (like in boxing, or wrestling, or countless other combat sports). MMA is refining down, but it's still all over the board.
The core of what everyone involved should be considering is whether we're in it for violent spectacle, or to see how far technically these athletes can take this as a sport. I'll give you one guess as to which I think Anderson Silva gives a shit about. And it doesn't involve boxers referring to his chosen career as "bar fighting."
I frequently use fighters as a way to describe other fighters. I'm gonna do it here. Lyoto Machida came up in the UFC doing exactly what people are mad at Anderson for doing now. Winning without getting touched. But... he's getting more exciting, right?
If anything, I feel there's a direct relationship with the fan-friendliness of both Lyoto and Anderson's performances and the level of threat they're presented with in the ring. Did Machida find David Heath and Sam Hoger to be more difficult opponents than Thiago Silva and Sokodjou? Of course not. He just didn't need to do anything more than bust them up from downtown like a couple of absolute amateurs. I'm glad he did. It would kill me to know he got laid out trying to be all Flying Arlovski so people would clap and Dana could use the F-word a couple more times in the press conference.
My gut feeling: as long as he's in the top rungs of the UFC, Lyoto will never be as uncommitted as in those two decision fights again. He won't have the luxury. He will be whooping ass to save his own life until the 205 div runs out of good fighters. And 205 is deep with ambitious, strong, smart fighters.
If Anderson appears to be getting more boring, it's because the best of the 185 lb. division is long behind him. He never kicked someone's ass faster than when Chris "charging troll" Leben showed him no respect whatsoever and declared it a kill-or-be-killed first round. I don't even care to see him rematch these people. He's cleaned 185 out aside from rematches and some rather uninteresting long-shots. It's time for us to start breaking the mold to find good fights for Silva, who's very likely counting down his last bouts as an MMA fighter.
I'm talking about Shogun. I'm talking about GSP. I'm talking about knocking out Keith Jardine and leaving him on the doorstep of THQ headquarters for publishing this crock of sh*t gameplay teaser. Anderson Silva has shown us that he deserves superfights, and the UFC needs to start putting some together while there's still time.
Embarassed of the show? Mad at Anderson, Dana? Show him. Put him in the ring with someone who will physically make him stop dancing instead of knitting your brow over the next useless, safe, bean-counter marketing ploy of a fight you'll make for him (very few people are buying that Anderson's legacy > Fedor's legacy argument anyway). Put Anderson Silva in harm's way. If he doesn't want the belt at 205, at least use him for some exciting outsourced gatekeeping (think Shogun + Wanderlei in Pride). If that runs dry, to hell with it! Give him a suitcase full of cash and throw him in the ring with Lesnar.185 can wait, the decision is basically a wasteland until Anderson retires regardless.
To sum (and now that I've gotten myself sufficiently riled up) I don't blame Anderson a bit for the fight he turned in last night. He's shown us every reason that we should be burning actual star-powered matchups to keep him interesting instead of having him lower his game to tearing chickens' heads off and throwing them into the crowd, and letting only one or two real names meet on a given fight card.
As a fan of the sport, I see this as the time where we can either prepare ourselves to be asking about "who hall-of-famer Anderson could have taken in his prime" for the next 5 years of the sport, or actually get the privilege of seeing Anderson in some real fights.
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I couldn’t agree more. I’d like to add that it is the fighter’s job to win. Not put on a fun show for the fans, just to win. Its up to the promoters to put together entertaining match ups.
Anderson did his job. The UFC matchmakers on the other hand…
by EazyEismydad on Apr 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I especially like the idea
of giving him a suitcase full of cash to throw him in the [cage] with Lesnar
by noscarznoproof on Apr 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should be pretty obvious that I agree with this. Even for those who don’t though, this is an awesome FanPost.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 19, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Last night isn’t the end of the world that people are making it out to be. Leites may be (have been) the number 9 middleweight in the world, but Anderson Silva is in a different galaxy from guys like him. I hope he fights more frequently and faces more adequate competition, and I don’t blame him for his performance last night.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Apr 19, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night isn’t the end of the world that people are making it out to be.
this this this this!
..it feels like were having a controversy as big as greasegate already.. Silva was sticking his head out and his arm was on his knee baiting in leites to throw a strike.. If he fought someone who was actually good we wouldn’t be talking about this crap for days..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Couldn’t agree more. You could see him struggling through Rogan’s interview thinking “what the hell did I do to deserve this?”
I remember seeing a video of Anderson coming into Franklin’s locker room after one of their fights (don’t remember which) and genuinely apologizing for beating him. I also remember him saying Henderson wasn’t “a true champion” after their fight. There’s something about true challenges that frees Silva’s mind and that’s when the world gets to witness the “ballet of violence” he’s become known for.
by trainyourmind on Apr 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cooler heads prevail I was disappointed with the fight last night I would have like to see Silva attacking his guard and solidifying his pound for pound reputation but you can’t blame a guy for getting the w
by drano on Apr 19, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent! and Word Up!
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Apr 19, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After thinking about the fight more, I think people need to realize that Anderson is not the terminator that the UFC made him out to be. It doesn’t take a whole lot to make it out of the second round with the guy, just don’t engage. If you don’t give him anything to counter, he will consider it too dangerous to attempt any devastating strikes.
He’s just a guy who wants to keep his belt, and he won’t be swayed by a booing crowd. Everybody thinks he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, but he isn’t that good. Noone is.
by Razzel on Apr 19, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I found it hard to comment on the other posts about this because a lot of people here and in general are in an uproar and said people are just far madder and vehement than those who disagree with them. I’d imagine part of the divide is between people who streamed it and people who paid for it too. I did the former, and I’m not really upset by the fight and in fact was amused and impressed by how Silva toyed with Leites and how easily he won the fight without trying whatsoever. Then again, I also was incredibly drunk from watching the bulls game, passed out around 6pm and woke up just in time to catch that fight only. I too, as others have said, have the opinion that I understand why people are upset about the fight just not to the degree that some have taken it.
Word.
Everybody fightin' bout a spoonful...
by plastict on Apr 19, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huzzahs
I agree 100%
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Apr 19, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on.
Can Anderson dance to GSP’s riddum?
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Apr 19, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lose-lose
I am entirely against a GSP-Silva fight for the simple reason that this is a lose/lose situation for the UFC. Silva beats GSP (especially if it is soundly) and GSP’s mystique is damaged as well as a possible detrimental effect to his psyche( which has been shown to be fragile). Also, Silva will not be lauded for a victory because he is “supposed” to whoop the smaller fighter. GSP wins and Silva’s reputation is severely damaged.
by MMA_Nole on Apr 24, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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This is a very good fanpost. I don’t agree with everything you said, but you did say it very well.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too True
FYI, in that trailer, watch Silva’s left arm after the KO – the elbow bends inward (medially), but the back of the hand is face up (note the UFC logo), so the joint looks broken. Ragdoll physics FTW?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Apr 19, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I think we forget that MMA is a sport. In sport there’s bound to be some boring games/fights. I remember when I was younger I thought watching Bernard Hopkins fight was like watching paint dry. You have to appreciate the finer technical aspects of the sport.
I mostly blame Thales Leites – particularly by round 4 he should have known that he was down on the cards. If he really wants to win the belt….he needs to go all out. When it’s a toss up between going for broke (which may cause you to get knocked out) and playing possum in an effort not to get knocked out….you must go for the former, particularly if you’re the challenger. The champion has the luxury of knowing that even if the fight is a draw he will win the belt.
Silva needs to fight at 205. He should fight Jardine.
by rainmaker6 on Apr 19, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good and very straightforward post
I like how straightforward everything was. Yes, Anderson has cleared out the division, so the promoters should give him the toughest fighters for him that they can find even if they are in different divisions. With Anderson’s contract only having so few fights left, why not just fill it with super fights? Seriously, he has proven that he is the best Middleweight fighter out there, and he made fighters like Leites and Cote look like amateurs.
I have to agree that this isn’t the end of the world like others are making it out to be like the post about Mainstream fans’ views on Anderson Silva. HE IS ONLY ONE FIGHTER OUT OF HUNDREDS! His drawing power is understandably down, so don’t put him in the main event but the co-main event or put him in the huge cards (Superbowl weekend, End of the Year) alongside with another title fight and have the other title fight be the main event. If they need Anderson to main event, make sure that it is a Superfight or a fight that the fans would want to see. I just don’t feel that Anderson’s last two performances have that much real affect on the UFC or MMA in general as others make it out to be. It will obviously have an affect on the buyrates of the next card that Anderson will be on, but that is as far as the potential harm that these fights caused.
by chrisbboy82 on Apr 20, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad for the sport.
At the core of the matter is this fact, it was an awful card with the possible exception of a few of the fighters that had been brought over from the WEC.
Now I personally think Silva is a very good fighter but also incredibly hyped and over rated. But here we have Silva Fan Club Ppresident Joe Rogan bemoaning ‘casual fans who don’t apreciate the techicalities’ etc.
Now granted, in ANY UFC event the majority of the attendees are rich Yuppies without a clue who have never been in a street fight much less trained for one. But in this case Rogan was full of crap, The well deserved boos were directed at the fact that the card sucked and that fight in particular was a total mismatch. It was as bad a mismatch as the last Cyborg fight. And the Yuppies had been gouged out of hundreds of dollars to sit through yet another stinking turd of a fight card.
Komissar White might have been instrumental in ‘saving MMA’. But I would also argue that for the past few years he has been bad for the sport.. He’s turned TUF into a weird water sports fetish party suitable for viewing mainly by ignorant mall rats without a clue, gives a championship shot to an ass clown from the WWE after only a few fights, his mismatches and the way he treats his fighters (and fans) is starting to catch up to him.
Far too many UFC cards have truly stunk and White is rapidly turning the UFC into the WWE. The only saving grace will be watching another of his pets, the also vastly over rated Michael (‘hey we needed someobody to make famous in the UK’) Bisbing get his head torn off by Henderson. But no way I’m paying ANY money for that.
by SnowCrash7 on Apr 21, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year, UFC sold more PPV’s in one year than anyone ever has ever in the history of ever.
Lesnar beat Couture.
I’d say MMA’s doing ok.
by subo on Apr 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well said!
I agree with you 100%, The problem now with mma is the fact the “mainstreamers” want to see blood and guts and 30 second knockouts. That’s all entertaining to see but is that really what the sport is about? To me it’s a combination of ancient arts being used by extremely talented athletes that not only use their strength but use their mind as well to defeat their opponent. So what if Anderson didn’t “put on a show” the person to blame here is Leites. Supposedly he trained alot of stand up for this fight. It was not apparent, and if he knew his only chance was to get Silva to the ground why didn’ the train wrestling for the whole camp? Everyone knows Silva is not a good wrestler, he never has been! Look at his fight with Lutter, those were the sloppiest attempts at takedowns I have ever seen in a professional fight and they still put Silva on his back. The difference between Leites and Lutter is that Lutter was willing to take some punches and knees and kicks to get in take down range. Leites on the other hand wanted to lay there and have Anderson come to him. Anderson had no reason to go to him. He’s the champ, the one that supposedly “wanted the belt” should of taken it to him. Besides the 185 pound class is not competitive for Silva. He should move up to 205 where he belongs, they have alot more depth and alot more fighters who will bring the fight to Silva. Leites if he wants to flop on the ground all the time should just stick to NAGA tourny’s or what have you. Also I think it’s time for everyone to stop worrying about the inconsistent mainstream viewers, if they like it they will watch it. If they don’t who cares? If they are blind and cannot appreciate the time and effort it takes to get prepared for one of these fights than screw them. Also, Dana is a IDIOT! that’s all for now :_D
by uriel528 on Apr 24, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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