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The Likely Retirement of Chuck Liddell

3455522223_25f21ec28a_medium While Liddell, himself, hasn't made a definitive statement about his future in MMA, Dana White is not mincing words.

There are two important, and far from mutually exclusive, factors likely driving White's insistence that Liddell retire from competition.  First, Liddell is synonymous with the UFC.  He's been the center of many of the promotion's greatest moments and has been the face of the organization as it has grown into a viable, competitive sports entity.  Though it may sound somewhat callous, given the emotional tie many fans have to Liddell and his legacy,  allowing him to fight at a much lower level, ultimately resulting in Liddell being stopped, isn't particularly good for the UFC product.  

The second, and I would guess larger, factor concerning the UFC president is that White doesn't want to see a loyal friend hurt and embarrassed further.  Many Michael Jordan fans hated to see him return to the NBA as a Washington Wizard.  That was totally  a concern about his legacy.  Fans cringed at the thought of seeing the once great player competing with a deteriorated set of skills.  Jordan at an advanced age with rust from a long layoff was still very good, but he wasn't the same guy who lead the Chicago Bulls to six championships.  Though concerns about legacy are worthwhile, the stakes are raised dramatically in fighting and other violent sports.  Operating at less than full ability could lead to physical damage that haunts the individual throughout the duration of life.  Then, there's always the real possibility of a fatal injury.

Personally, I'm not a person who cheers increased intervention by athletic commissions to keep rule-abiding fighters from fighting.  Though it's necessary in some cases, I see it as being less than ideal.  I do like to see friends and employers stepping in and doing what is right in regard to the well-being of the fighter and the good of the larger business.  Certainly, I couldn't adequately make the call for Liddell.  Like most, I simply don't possess the information nor the expertise.  The encouraging aspect of this story rests with the support that Liddell seems to have.  Whether you're a Chuck Liddell fan or not, it would be absurd to deny him his prominent place in modern MMA.  For him to assume his rightful placement in MMA history, and for him to be able to fully enjoy his life after fighting, a proper decision regarding retirement is a must.

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Chuck should decide whether or not he should retire not internet fanboys. I understand the concern for his health but ultimately these kinds of choices are up to the fighter. I would not mind seeing Chuck Lidell fighting someone with an inferrior skill set just so that he kind retire with a win on his rcord. In retrospect, Chcuk should have rode off into glory after they Wanderlei fight. As for now…Lets see Chuck versus Ken Shamrock or Tank Abbott?

by Bandaka on Apr 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt any commission would stop Liddell from entering the ring, they are still letting Coleman fight after all. I’m all for athletes calling it a day while people still remember the good times. No one wants to see him take the Ken Shamrock route…

by -Sam on Apr 19, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I could give two shits about 'legacy'

I just want these fighters to be able to tell their stories 20 years from now without subtitles and a translator.

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this! ^

while i sorta care for chuck’s legacy too, i dont think that would be tarnished that much.. he still achieved what he achieved, and no one can take that away from him.. subo is right, chuck’s condition and safety is the more important issue here..

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the losses it the the fact that three were knock outs, he’s getting slower and going down easier, he could probably fight more if he wanted to but he really should consider his health. Obviously out opinions aren’t of a concern here but I wonder if that’s what Dana White is thinking, I’m sure he doesn’t want his friend to end up with future health problems.

by who me on Apr 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to TUF, the Brits must already be punch-drunk then (zing!)

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 19, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess the “ultimate” question is…. does Chuck think he should fold up the tent.

These upper (and former upper) echelon fighters have huge egos too, and never seem quite able to quit when shit goes downhill.

Good luck Chuck – I hope he makes the right decision.

by sinister1 on Apr 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The real surprise was SHOGUN…

He showed better technique than anytime during his pride days.

SHOGUN LOOKED AWESOME.

by mmalogic on Apr 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

I had hoped we would see a much better Shogun than we saw just a few months ago, but I couldn’t find enough evidence to support confidence in him. I think there will be plenty of time to praise Shogun, though. It would have been nice if this fight would have occurred when both were near the top of their games. So is life, I guess. It was great to see it come to fruition, however, despite the fact that Chuck was dispatched early on via KO. I’m eager to see Shogun against some of the other 205ers.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 19, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun looked great, no doubt. That said, I want to see him tested further. Vera, Cane, Jardine, a rematch with Forrest at some point would all be good opponents for Shogun. There are others, but when I try to come up with names, my mind seems to only partially function.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 19, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cane/Shogun..

I’d love to see it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking a rematch with forrest

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Apr 19, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shogun Vs Forrest/Thiago for the next title shot

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Apr 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forrest or Jardine would be my bet. Although, what do you do if Jardine wins?

All I really care to see is Shogun vs Rampage though at some point down the line.

by -Sam on Apr 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He faces machida, silly

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Apr 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cane will probably be fighting Anderson Silva next

by mmalogic on Apr 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah...

an attempt to force action on Anderson

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http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

because Shogun is obviously nowhere near Cantwell’s level and Cantwell got MURDERED by Cane.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by my prediction – I don’t think Shogun can hang with Cane’s power

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also agree that while Shogun looked good, it’s not like he was pressed enough to gas or anything. To me, there’s still a question mark over him regarding whether Shogun is back or not, but he did look good last night.

by pud333 on Apr 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t answer any conditioning questions but he really did look sharp in there. It really makes Shogun’s next fight a lot more interesting and gives the UFC another contender at 205.

by who me on Apr 19, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems Chuck has pretty much made his own conclusions about last night judging from his post fight comments, but we’ll see if he feels differently in a couple days or so.

At any rate, I was on pins and needles last night watching the fight. I wanted so badly for Shogun to win, and when he caught Chuck with that left, I went “Oh shit!” After he won, and I heard Chuck ask what happened to the ref, I thought, “Oh shit…” I dunno, it was just sort of sad to see Chuck like that. I think it’s clear he isn’t going to beat a top 205 fighter again.

by pud333 on Apr 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s 1-4 over the past two years. He’s 39. If he were pretty much anyone else, he would have been kicked out of the UFC a while ago.

It’s time for him to retire. It’s past time. There’s really no debate about it.

by toxic on Apr 19, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think the mohawk will play in civilian life. Time to grow the ’fro (and the gut — that thing is about to balloon like no other).

by mosesloaf on Apr 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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