Gambling Spotlight: UFC 97
We're taking a slightly different format this month. Instead of breaking down the televised fights, we look at the two main events and two other fights on the card that I think have some value or are interesting in one way or or another.
All lines courtesy of BestFightOdds.com and all rankings courtesy of the USA Today/SB Nation Meta Rankings. Pictures courtesy of AskMen.com.
Anderson Silva#1 Middleweight |
Thales Leites#9 Middleweight |
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| -550 (5Dimes) | Best Line | +500 (Bodog) |
| 34 | Age | 27 |
| 6'2" | Height | 6'1" |
| 23 - 4 - 0 | Record | 14 - 1 - 0 |
| 14 / 4 | TKO / SUB | 2 / 8 |
| Team Nogueira | Camp | Nova Uniao |
| W - Cote (TKO) W - Irvin (KO) W - Henderson (SUB) |
Last 3 Fights | W - McFedries (SUB) W - Marquardt (SD) W - Jensen (SUB |
Mike Chiappetta recently twittered, "Is it me or is Silva/Leites starting to give off the same vibe as Serra/St. Pierre I?" I quickly responded, "Feels more like Fedor/Choi."
To be fair, the UFC 97 main event should prove to be much more competitive than the New Year's freak show. And Mike's comparison to Serra/St. Pierre I is fair in the sense that Leites may be the most undeserving challenger since Matt Serra.
Leites' best win is a fight he lost (the fight with Marquardt). His only other encounter with a top fighter - Martin Kampmann - he ended up on the losing end. He took a pretty bad beating in that fight as well. Outside of those, we have victories over Pete Sell, Floyd Sword, Ryan Jensen, and Drew McFedries - not exactly the cream of the crop.
Silva's path in the Octagon has been documented well. Dominant wins over Rich Franklin, Dan Henderson, and Nate Marquardt have vaulted him to the top of pound-for-pound lists everywhere. A win on Saturday gives Silva 9 straight victories in the Octagon which would be a new UFC record.
For Leites to beat Silva, he needs to break through Silva's defenses, establish effective top control, and submit him. While he has power, Anderson's chin and defensive skills are legendary. And Thales simply doesn't possess enough talent to survive (and win) a five round fight.
He also needs the submission early. Thales has shown in the Kampmann and Marquardt fights that he can take a beating and continue fighting. However, he slowed down considerably after being hurt in both fights. His movements wavered, his striking power diminished, and his wrestling particularly became ineffective.
Getting Silva to the floor is no easy task either. Much has been made of Anderson's takedown defense, but I think a lot of it is overstated. In the UFC, Silva has ended up on his back because he's not afraid to give up position when he's striking. When presented with a straight shot or having been pressed up against the cage, Anderson defends well especially when it comes to utilizing underhooks to keep his opponent vertical.
For those not afraid to lay a little chalk, I think there's still some value in Anderson at the current lines. For those considering the underdog play, I think you're on the wrong side unless this line hits somewhere between +750 and +800 unless you know Leites will step into the Octagon with a considerably improved skill set.
Chuck Liddell#5 Light Heavweight |
Mauricio Rua#8 Light Heavweight |
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| -180 (5Dimes) | Best Line | +160 (Bookmaker/Bodog) |
| 39 | Age | 27 |
| 6'2" | Height | 6'1" |
| 21 - 6 - 0 | Record | 17 - 3 - 0 |
| 14 / 1 | TKO / SUB | 14 / 1 |
| The Pit | Camp | Universidade da luta |
| L - Evans (KO) W - Silva (UD) L - Jardine (SD) |
Last 3 Fights | W - Coleman (TKO) L - Griffin (SUB) W - Overeem (KO) |
"If Chuck loses on Saturday, he will retire."
And with that quote, Dana White declared the first semi-official half-loser-leaves-town fight in the UFC. At 39 years of age and on the losing end of 3 of his last 4 bouts, it's hard to deny that Liddell's on the tail end of his career. But does he really need to be put on the hot seat?
Liddell's problems stem more from the evolution of the game around him than any sort of noticeable physical deterioration from age or sustained punishment. His two stoppage losses have come to younger, faster, stronger, and more well-rounded fighters in their primes. And while Mauricio "Shogun" Rua should fall into the same category as Quinton Jackson and Rashad Evans, Chuck's best strengths should be able to overcome the Brazilian in this fight.
"Shogun"'s struggles have been well-publicized. The once dominant and exciting superstar in Pride hasn't lived up to his the potential he once showed upon entering the UFC. You can attribute part of the blame on a twice injured knee which required two surgeries between the Griffin and Coleman fights.
Even at 100%, a fight with Liddell poses a stifling stylistic matchup. While his overrated striking may be overstated at this point, it's the top game where Rua is at his best.
Two things come into play here. First, the absence of stomps and soccer kicks take two huge weapons away from Shogun. Sheer violence and inflicted damage aside, stomps and soccer kicks provided a brute force method of passing the guard for Chute Boxe fighters.
Second, Liddell possesses an elite ability to keep the fighting standing as much as possible. In addition, while Rua scored takedowns on a much-bigger Forrest Griffin, Chuck is just as big and much more athletic. And with his cardio in question, if Rua can't bring the fight to the floor and keep it there early, the fight will be contested on the feet.
For all his holes standing, Liddell should hold a sizable advantage in the striking department. His knockout power and straight punching should prove fatal to the wild Muay Thai of Rua. Rua's best bet will be to close the distance, grab a Thai clinch, and throw a bevy of knees to the body. Again, however, Liddell's size and strength makes this an unenviable task.
The line on Liddell has hovered between -190 and -205 the past few weeks. I still think there's value there. You may want to wait until Saturday afternoon as Liddell lines generally tend to fade against him near fight time.
Jason MacDonald |
Nate Quarry |
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| -110 (Bodog) | Best Line | +105 (5Dimes) |
| 33 | Age | 37 |
| 6'3" | Height | 6'0" |
| 21 - 11 - 0 | Record | 10 - 3 - 0 |
| 3 / 17 | TKO / SUB | 6 / 2 |
| Jackson's Submission Fighting | Camp | Next Level MMA |
| L - Gouveia (SUB) W - Lambert (SUB) L - Maia (SUB) |
Last 3 Fights | L - Maia (SUB) W - Starnes (UD) W - Sell (KO) |
First off, thanks go out to Joe Silva and Dana White for giving me an excuse to watch a couple of Demian Maia fights.
This line opened with Quarry inserted as the favorite, and I'm not entirely sure why. To put it nicely, Quarry's old, stiff, lumbering, lacking technique, and injury ridden. Outside of his debacle with Kalib Starnes, I've never thought to myself, "Nate Quarry's a pretty good fighter."
Not that one should confuse Jason MacDonald with a high level fighter either. However, MacDonald's only 33 year old, is plenty athletic, and has shown flashes of brilliance (his ground work in the Demian Maia fight, for instance).
In a fight where both fighters are similarly skilled, those peripheral attributes like size, speed, age, etc. come into play. I like MacDonald in the fight up to -150.
Sam Stout |
Matt Wiman |
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| -125 (Bookmaker) | Best Line | +110 (Bodog/5Dimes) |
| 24 | Age | 25 |
| 5'9" | Height | 5'10" |
| 13 - 5 - 1 | Record | 10 - 4 - 0 |
| 8 / 1 | TKO / SUB | 4 / 3 |
| Shawn Tompkins | Camp | Tulsa Top Team |
| L - Etim (UD) L - Clementi (SD) W - Eklund (UD) |
Last 3 Fights | L - Miller (UD) W - Tavares (KO) W - Bucholz (SUB) |
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Nicely done as usual.
Although I took Wiman personally.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Want to know what a $20 parlay on Leites, Pokam, and Hardonk will yield?
$3340
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Apr 16, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its obvious I won’t survive on my wits alone.
Keep firing Assholes!
by Ubernoober on Apr 16, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t bet on Anderson Silva at -500. MMA is too unpredicatable to bet on anyone at that level.
Macdonald is a good bet over Quarry methinks – especially if you got him when he was the underdog.
by rainmaker6 on Apr 16, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“I wouldn’t bet on Anderson Silva at -500. MMA is too unpredictable to bet on anyone at that level.”
I disagree. I understand people not wanting to bet the fight from a utility point of view, but there have been plenty of fights that have value at -500.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 16, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This being one of them
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to go farther...
You have to look at every fight individually and say “do I think he wins the fight at a high enough percentage that he covers those odds?” If you can say yes, then make the play. A lot of people are way too hung up on just “throw money at the dogs…one of them will hit”
Just like way too many people are hung up on playing parlays..etc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
Like I said, I understand that there’s a problem with the utility of laying 5:1, but in terms of straight value, it’s there. It’s why the Fedor/Choi line climbed past -1000.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 16, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!
You have to look at every fight individually and say "do I think he wins the fight at a high enough percentage that he covers those odds?"
Been waiting for someone to say this here for a long time. Thank you, Brent.
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"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Apr 17, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing the 'dogs
Being a lifelong Vegas resident I can say that there is a time and place to consistently play the ‘dog. -500 is no value and unless you’re wagering a huge sum, the return is paltry at best. MMA is the best sport in which to play the heavy ‘dog as we’ve seen so many upsets in it’s short life; far more than in boxing. Even if you lose 19 out of 20 times on a $20 heavy underdog bet, that 20th upset will more than make up for your lost $380.
by Fooshnickens on Apr 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure? You would need a 20-1 win. Those don’t really exist in MMA (considering the talk about there being no value in a 5-1 line here).
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by Day Man on Apr 17, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“-500 is no value”
It is if the expected outcome is great than 83.3%
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics for the win
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by Day Man on Apr 18, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh…
It doesn’t really matter the reasoning. I can justify betting small dough on a -500. The real money is pushing down 200-max bet on those types of fights and not killing yourself if a huge upset occurs. That’s the big problem. Hence, why I don’t bet anything over -325 if the line is insanely split.
I’ve understood that exact reasoning for the last 3 years of my betting experience, but I can’t do it. I’ve been burned on “lock” wins before, and it just isn’t smart. The big money is in parlays, but throwing money in parlays is all research based. The more analyzing you can do, the better it’ll be. You’ll likely lose money on parlays on a card, but one win on a parlay will likely make that money back and then some. UFN 13 nearly made me a full-time employee’s salary at Wal-mart in one night because of that thinking.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, diversity is key as well. Going balls out on parlays isn’t smart either. I normally resort to underdog bets in single bet mode. Never on the parlay beat.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The amounts don’t matter as long as you’re practicing sound bankroll management. The only time I put myself in a precarious position (I define that as a spot where you’re capable of losing half your bankroll on one event) is when I had 13 units on Anderson against Cote at -650 (!!!).
If I could have, I would have put almost my whole bankroll on Anderson when he opened around -300 for this fight. Unfortunately, I was unable to. I’ve also put up huge bets on Lyoto Machida against Tito Ortiz and Thiago Silva (and I have a big bet on him with Rashad as well).
Anyway, point is, betting huge favorites is fine as long as you’re practicing sound bankroll management. I’ve pimped it over and over, but people really need to check out the Kelly Criterion and apply that if they want to take sports betting seriously.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The flaw in the Kelly Kriterion, particularly in light of the recent articles on sabermetrics, is the relative ability of an individual to determine the likelihood of winning.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Apr 17, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s certainly an issue, but there’s two responses I have to that.
1) I always bet half-kelly which reduces the need to be 100% accurate with regards to winning %.
2) Most successful gamblers aren’t trying to out handicap the books. Jumping on early lines, lineshopping, etc.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every once in a while I have to jump on a line that I think is really stupid. However most of the time I just bet on what I think will happen.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Apr 17, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys keep touting the bankroll management angle. I’m telling you, once you hit a fucking dud favorite in huge upset fashion, it’s going to sting.
Kelly Criterion, ugh… the only thing you really need is common sense in the sports betting world. Don’t be stupid. Betting money on -500 favorites is all fine and dandy when you’re working with 500-1000 bucks, it’s what I did three years ago to create a huge bankroll, but it’s not sound management or smart at all in the long run.
The smart bets are the closer lines and doing the analysis to make it an easy pick for you. Mixing in parlays and single bets with that make for a diverse pool of bets and you’ll likely make out with some profits.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you left MMA Analyst behind for the time being?
by rainmaker6 on Apr 17, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m posting exclusively here at BloodyElbow.com. I don’t have time to manage a MMA website on my own, nor do I really want to. My time is pretty valuable at the moment with work, an auction business, and writing MMA. I love all three things, and adding hassles to that is a damn nightmare.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff, I love your work here anyway.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 17, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leland,
If I offer you -500 on an event that happens 9 out of 10 times, do you take it?
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what kind of cash I throw down.
I never bet heavy on those types of odds. Repercussions are too large. But I will throw down some bets on those lines to make the extra dough to pad any other losses.
I just don’t bet those types of fights. I used to, but I now focus more on close lines, underdogs, and parlays. It’s where the big money is at.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re betting casually, that’s fine. Like I said, the utility of betting on heavy favorites isn’t always there for people. But in the long run, you’re passing up on vast amounts of value if you’re passing on -500 just because they’re -500 lines.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a pretty nice EV right there.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Apr 17, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you Leland
“do I think he wins the fight at a high enough percentage that he covers those odds?”
Absolutely true. But I think Fagan has it correct. We’re talking bankroll management and opportunity cost. Considering I had unlimited funds then would I bet on Anderson Silva? Yes. But given I have limited funds there are better value bets out there.
But I don’t bet consistently so take my words with a pinch of salt.
by rainmaker6 on Apr 17, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
Brent, I’m glad you said this. MMA betting is as easy as figuring out how many times Fighter A beats fighter B out of x amount of fights (I go with 20). Once you get that number, convert it into a percent and voila. If the sportsbooks are undervaluing someone, make the bet.
by ericmunley on Apr 17, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you entirely on the Stout/Wiman fight. I’ve never really been impressed by Stout, and Wiman is much better than he gets credit for. I actually think Wiman is going to whoop Stout.
I also disagree with some of your analysis of the Chuck/Shogun fight. Specifically, you suggest that Chuck is as big as Griffin, which is simply wrong. Also, calling Chuck’s punches “straight” is pretty ridiculous. All that said, I agree with your pick on this fight. Shogun just doesn’t seem to be anywhere near the fighter he was in PRIDE.
by FRANKIE on Apr 16, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1. Chuck may not be as big as Forrest (I think he’s close), but he’s still a huge 205er and he’ll be bigger than Shogun.
2. While Chuck’s known for his loopy KO punches, he makes very good use of the jab and straight right. It’s a big reason why he beat Wanderlei.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only real problem with Stout is he eats punches a lot as does Wiman. I’m going to lay some small stuff on Wiman, but not a parlay at all. Too unpredictable of a fight in my mind. Stout will probably win though.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great analysis, one quibble
And with that quote, Dana White declared the first semi-official half-loser-leaves-town fight in the UFC.
There have been others—Kendall Grove vs. Evan Tanner springs to mind. Unless your emphasis was that this was the first “half-loser…” in which case I still quibble, because if Shogun leaves, he’s leaving town, whether Dana has made it official or not.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I overlooked Grove/Tanner (even Grove/Day). I’m not sure it’s ever been bestowed on as big a fight as this though?
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 16, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loser leaves town
I’m pretty sure your right about the magnitude. Only pointed it out because Kendall coined the “loser leaves town match” nomenclature in his pre-fight interviews.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Apr 17, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"loser leaves town match"
it’s an old pro wrestling term
by Chris Nelson on Apr 17, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on all but Nate Quarry
I think his knockout power gives him the edge over MacDonald, who will try to take it to the ground (I actually think there skill sets are quite different—perhaps equal, but in different areas, which makes a big difference, as styles make fights).
Also, will never bet on Wiman after spectacular Fisher knockout. Funny how one brutal knockout (esp. administered while fighter is making show of not being hurt) can forever bias you against him.
"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy
by thetakeover on Apr 17, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, Leites looks scared in that pic. :(
Liddell/Shogun is gonna be a war! Can’t effing wait!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 17, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dana has a “you better not get knocked out” look..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 17, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha he does!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 17, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to figure out...
How Thales lost to Marquardt? He was winning until Nate hit him with the illegal knee and then he did a couple other illegal things in that fight
by The Legend on Apr 17, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i get your point.. but i think he means on the score cards.. Marquard won the rounds but he lost because of the deducted points..
(I’m not saying you’re wrong or it isn’t marquard’s fault.. it’s just that marquard din win the rounds in the eyes of the judges)
but rules are rules and marquard did some pretty illegal stuff.. plus, i dont even know why people didn’t give him tons of shit for that piledriver he attempted..
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 17, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Marquardt won the fight after the illegal knee but you could also tell Thales wasn’t the same after that and I agree he should get tons more shit for the illegal knee, it is probably because of the elbow he threw that he got a point deducted for that he shouldn’t have which whenever that fight gets brought up seems to be the first thing brought up
by The Legend on Apr 17, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s definitely something to be said about the knee’s effect on Leites in the fight, but between dropping Marquardt and the knee, Leites was getting handled.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait until you see what a legal knee does to him.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Apr 17, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside of the one right hand that dropped Nate, he didn’t do anything in the fight. Illegal knee or not, the judges scored teh fight for Marquardt who then lost on point deductions.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good analysis
nice analysis, but i was wondering what your record is with these picks. I didn’t see it anywhere and i am trying to evolve my gambling from recreational to a little more systematic. on a side note i like all 4 of your picks, and was very thankful to see someone else liking Stout in his fight against Wiman.
by mo dogg on Apr 17, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I stopped posting my record because most of the value I get comes from jumping on lines when they open up a month or two prior to the fight. When we get closer to fight night, the line’s are pretty efficient. There’s still value to be had, but your edges are much smaller. I’m not in front of my spreadsheet right now, but off hand I’m picking at a 60% success rate and a 7% ROI or something over 130 fights. Feel free to e-mail me to discuss your gambling endeavors further.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by mo dogg on Apr 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the number one advice I give everyone. JUMP LINES EARLY if they are favorable.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have one book that you place all your bets through or do you like to have money in multiple places to grab the best odds. Its just such a pain to get cash into most sites.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Apr 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I keep money on Bookmaker/BetCRIS and Bodog. I’ve been lazy about getting money on 5dimes. Some combination of those three should suffice with regards to getting access to early lines.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mike, I’m just too lazy to do the wire transfer to get some cash into there but Im giving away money by taking inferior odds at my book
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Apr 18, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
I still think Bielkheden has a solid upset chance. I don’t understand how Bocek is that heavily favored.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 17, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was wondering about that myself..
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Apr 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question to everyone
Does anybody know any good Europe-based website where I can bet on MMA? I’ve skimmed through the policies about transfering money to US sites and I didn’t like them. I’ve been having quite a bit of success on fantasy sites (yeah I know that’s how they want you to think lol) and I was willing to give it a shot for real.
My only significant losses in fantasy betting are bets I would never have placed in real life..
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Apr 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Pinnacle has the best odds and I believe they are based in the EU
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Apr 17, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, will check it out :>
Kuwabara Kuwabara
by J. B. Maddox on Apr 17, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, all you non-U.S. asshats should be jumping to Pinnacle. You might want to get on one of the three books I mentioned earlier because they usually get lines out before Pinny. But Pinny gets you the best lines most of them with the least juice.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 17, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Rua at +161.
I think a leaner, more focused, and more determined Rua shows up Saturday night for a unanimous decision victory.
Aside from that, I like Kongo, Cane, and Wiman (ev). I also wouldn’t be surpised to see Pokam (+280) get the upset over Kang. I’ve been doing a bit of research on him for the past couple of days leading up to the fight. I think the excitement of fighting in the big show pumps up the 26 year-old, and he comes out ready to strike and gets a TKO victory.
FYI: I’d dump the bank on Rua. Liddell injured his right hand two days ago.
by goodbones on Apr 18, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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