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Danawhiteblogs_mediumBy now, you've probably heard of or seen the video of UFC President Dana White on TSN in Canada talking about his vlogs, the spat with Loretta Hunt and how/when the UFC credentials media. There are a host of problems with the interview (although on the whole, the interviewer is quite good), most notably White's insistence that in the video blog where he excoriates Hunt that he didn't "cross the line", which is appalling to any sentient being with half a sense of decency or shame. You can interpret that how you like (and I'm certain some will suggest he's only referring to his attacks on Hunt, not using homophobic slurs, but that only further supports my point), but if there was ever any question about whether White's apology was damage control or remorse, let the debate formally end here.

I'm also confounded about White's comment that years ago when there was no new media and viral technology available to everyone, whatever the press said about you wasn't able to be challenged. This is so off the mark one hardly knows where to begin. For starters, White and the UFC had the opportunity to inject themselves directly into Hunt's article had they responded to her requests, a very common practice in public relations. Second, that there was some notion of inevitability to White's vlog, that he had to respond in the manner that he did is so patently absurd and outrageous is doesn't merit any further comment. Third, White decries the rise of new media yet embraces the technology for his own ends. And while anyone and everyone should feel free to use modern forms of media, an already celebrated figure with a dedicated fan following circumventing traditional forms of outreach is in no position to castigate ordinary if intrepid new media members for similarly using technology. This blog exists precisely because there was virtually no one and nowhere to talk about MMA. While Sherdog and MMA Weekly existed, it was not as if there was some form of hiring bonanza where anyone with a crayon and napkin could submit a resume and get a byline. And as for the esteemed "real media" that the UFC seems to adore? Were they interested in MMA? Let's just say they had better things to do like covering local high school women's basketball games or reporting which horse came in seventh at last year's Kentucky Derby.

Whether the UFC likes it or not, the people who run sites like this and others took it upon themselves to work as hard and professionally as possible to create something new - not because we wanted free tickets or to jock sniff Chuck Liddell, but because MMA actually needed media exposure and no one else seemed willing or interested in doing it. We believed if MMA was to be taken seriously, it needed serious writers doing serious work, something that was in short supply just a few short years ago. And the result? The "real media" has slowly but surely woken up. Aside from Sherdog's relationship with ESPN, I believe there was something about the second largest English language media outlet on the planet teaming up with some randoms to produce the most visible rankings in the entire sport. What the "real media" realized was that "fake media" was ahead of the curve on MMA and actually producing professional, high quality work that was not only worthy of coverage, but was good for their financial bottom line.

But the other culprit here is the media that is credentialed by the UFC; the alleged "real media", whatever such a clumsy moniker is intended to mean. For our purposes, let's just use it to mean those credentialed by the UFC. The reality about the "real media" is this: I cannot tell you how many conversations I've had with members of the "real media" who incessantly tell me this site and others should be credentialed by the UFC. Yet, the only one to my knowledge to go on record with this belief is Josh Gross (I believe Steve Cofield may have as well). As for the rest of you: seriously, grow a pair, will you?

White insists that the "real media" actually does criticize him, but they do so "professionally". If by "professionally" he means watered down, ham-fisted superficial wrist slapping, then we are in agreement. The reality is that either through incompetence or intimidation, a solid majority of those in vaunted positions in the "real media" cannot seem to put themselves in the position to offer honest commentary or reporting. And candid commentary or reporting does not mean attacking White or being wholly against his efforts, but it does involve addressing his successes as well as his faults to their fullest extent. But maybe I shouldn't blame them. When the President of the company and face of the sport you follow doesn't believe he crossed the line in trying to shakedown a reporter by using homophobic and misogynistic slurs in a widely distributed video blog, is it any wonder the "real media" only offers "professional" criticism?

The incontrovertible truth is that the "real media" is slowly bleeding into "fake media" and that with time, they're going to completely merge, thereby putting the UFC in a very awkward position. Do not listen to those who tell you to ignore your lying eyes and that what looks like the media and acts like the media isn't actually the media. We and others are part of the media, no matter who accepts that reality. The "real media" has already figured out that the new or "fake media" is who they say they are. One can only hope the UFC eventually agrees.

p.s. The reality is the UFC does on occasion credential blogs: just ask Cage Writer and Sports by Brooks (two VERY good blogs, it should be noted). So, their anti-blog, anti-new media stance? Not as iron clad as they'd have you believe.

p.p.s. Does the "real media" include radio hosts paid to attend UFC shows?

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luke, this is a reallyyyyyy fucking good write up..

BUT.. i have the feeling this may have lessened the chances of BE getting credentialed..

BUT.. i have the feeling this may have lessened the chances of BE getting credentialed..PS.
the PPS was harsh. haha! :D

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Every time someone posts anything about credentials, someone else points out that in posting whatever they posted, they may have made the credentials less likely.
At least Luke won’t be heading up Wamma as far as we know, that would really hurt their chances.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 16, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking to the issue of old media v. new media and ignoring the issue of Dana being a scumbag, Do you think there is any trace of holding the company line on new media when Dana doesn’t agree with his own arguments against new media? Its hard to swallow that he hates all blogs and has one of his own. I think that in general, he may hate jornalists, but puts up with them because he has to. I don’t think he hates bloggers more, but it is easier to ignore them.

I will watch the video when I get home from work. this is just my first take on it.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And another thing about this article in general. If Luke spent all his time on this artical and doesn’t have picks and great breakdowns for the fight saturday, I will be disapointed. I know you’re fighting for truth, justice, and the American way, but I want more stuff about fighting and less stuff about, well, stuff like this that’s related to fighting, but has nothing to do with fighting. I mean this stuff is important, but mix it up a bit. The stats stuff is really quenching my thirst, but I want to hear more from Luke about fighting. Once Luke got me extremely pumped about a fight that involved Thomas Denny. That kind of thing hasn’t happend in a while. I miss that.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick a fight...

seriously…I feel like writing and I don’t know what I want to write about. I’m in “pitbull with no radar” mode. I may not be Luke but seriously…pick any fight on the card Saturday that you want to hear about or need help getting up for and I’ll bang something out.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, you are awesome.

Next, I have to fights and naturally they are undercard fights. I picked them because I want to know more about a fighter involved. So you can feature a fighter or a fight and I will be cised.

Denis Kang vs. Xavier Foupa-Pokam – I want to know more about prof. X.

Ryo Chonan vs. TJ Grant – I am a sucker for the cunucks and I hear Grant is in over his head.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignorance

It still amazes me how this is the stance that Dana White is taking. The emergence of MMA has been as grass roots as any other major sporting event. NBA, MLB, NFL, MLS, NASCAR all had major advertisers. MMA had nothing but people working hard to cover the sport. I respect every MMA internet outlet, and Dana White should realize that they only generate interest for the sport. BloodyElbow.com puts money in Dana White’s pockets, period.

by ericmunley on Apr 16, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Pffffffft....

The UFC generates more interest in ANY of these MMA sites, than vice versa…. and thats with no disrespect to any of them, just the truth really.

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ofcourse the UFC generates more interest about the UFC.. duh...

nobody is saying that they do more for the UFC than they do for themselves.. BE and other MMA sites give more interest and more money to the UFC..

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

What I mean is that UFC generates more interest in BE, than BE generates for UFC…

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely...

which is why the thing about us wanting the UFC to fail that is always bounced around when we’re critical is stupid. The UFC is a great thing for the sport and websites that cover the sport. But we still have to be honest in our criticisms.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s kinda like Pizza Hut and Taco Bell always are wanting that unsightly Red and White “competitor” that are always near them to fail (KFC).

by natyong on Apr 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All three of those brand are owned by the same company.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 17, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mistake

*more grass roots than any other…

by ericmunley on Apr 16, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana will always be obsessed with message control

I can’t blame him for that, either – not after the staggering amount of ignorance he’s had to deal with over the last decade bringing the sport back from the dead. For every Josh Gross, there are about fifty Bob Reilly’s. This paranoia is going to lead to more friction with the MMA media that they now allow, and could very well be counterproductive as far as eventually embracing the online media.

On the other hand, Daily Kos is the most fervent pro-Democratic site on the web, but they have no official affiliation with the party. I almost like it better that way – with separation comes independence. We’re not dependent upon Zuffa press releases to have topics to talk about – and even if the UFC credentialed BE, would y’all really stop covering other MMA?

I like what we have going on. Let the ones with the access play the game to keep it – and let’s keep doing what we’re doing.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The credentialing would help with getting information, but no, it’s not necessary.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Bloodyelbow get credentials for the Strikeforce show?

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bloodyelbow is kind of like the dailykos of the MMA blogosphere, in terms of how the site is designed. I wonder how a system of community self-moderation, like the one used by dailykos, would work on an MMA site.

I think the sport has actually benefited from the UFC denying Sherdog’s credentials. The UFC’s media policy is beyond retarded, but it has allowed Sherdog to prove that they can be successful without fluffing the UFC (sherdog gets more hits than ufc.com). I’d like the UFC to adopt a sane media policy, but in the absence of that, I prefer the current situation to one where Jeff Sherwood and Dana White are buddies.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is probably an example of why you aren’t credentialed. Is it a story about the UFC, or is it a story about Bloody Elbow.com? It’s really an example of the kind of media coverage they aren’t interested in: the combination of news and opinion.

This is just my opinion, but the best way for this site (or any site) to get access is by reporting solid stories, writing interesting features about UFC fighters, and providing original content. The UFC believes that spaces should be available for people providing fresh content. People who are aggregating news, or linking to feature stories elsewhere, can do that from home.

This is not a diss. I like the blog, but it is opinion driven. A better mixture might lead to better results. Also, less public outcries about your own relationships with the UFC. I’m sure they imagine more of the same: instead of complaining about no credentials it’s complaining that yahoo gets better access or Jen didn’t return their calls. It is a potentially never ending headache.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m less concerned with credentialing than I am the insulting and dismissive way new media is treated. As I state above, credentialing would be nice, but isn’t necessary. However, I see no place for the “real media” jabs.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An opinion driven blog? Never!

This is exactly my point: would you rather worry about which ass to kiss and which piece to sit on, or keep doin what you’re doin?

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s not the point. The UFC wants people to write feature stories on their fighters. Someone’s opinion about said fighter is less valuable, and doesn’t require access at all.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I want to read “warm and fuzzy” stories about UFC fighters, I will go to UFC.com. I know what I’m getting when I go there and I know what purpose the website serves. If I want to see "warm and fuzzy’ stories about UFC fighters, I will watch the Countdown shows.

If I want something other than “fluff”, I will go elsewhere. Since when is getting “the rest of the story” less important?

Unless you are Dana and only want your side of the story being told…

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by MyFistYourFace on Apr 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That isn’t really addressing my points at all. Beyond the fact that feature stories aren’t always warm and fuzzy, it doesn’t require access to do this kind of blogging. That is the main point.

I don’t understand what you mean by “fluff” in this context. All the hard and soft news originates somewhere else and is commented on here. You just want editorials and opinion articles?

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right..

we can continue on the same way with or without additional access. We’d like access to be able to provide better coverage but we won’t sacrifice what we do to get that access. So yeah…it’s a rock and a hard place and we’re going to remain firmly in the middle I suppose.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana White isn’t interested in ANY media that doesn’t do his bidding. If it was opinion-driven but the opinion was that the UFC was “super bad-ass” in every way then I am sure Dana would be fine with it.

If you look at pretty much any media outlet which is credentialed by the UFC, they have to watch what they say about the UFC and its fighters. They have to focus HEAVY on UFC coverage and constantly portray the UFC in a positive light. Notice how many times I have said UFC…

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Apr 16, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think this is overstated. Some of their favorite reporters are very open with their criticism.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why all the hate?

Dana white is the shit!!!

by baldspot23 on Apr 16, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no hate...

just honest criticism.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone on this site wanna whaa burger to go with those french cries?? lol….

by baldspot23 on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just playin…but these articles dont do it for me…

by baldspot23 on Apr 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo Sports is that way.

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."

-Lao Tzu

by RoyalB on Apr 16, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s just say they had better things to do like covering local high school women’s basketball games or reporting which horse came in seventh at last year’s Kentucky Derby.

lol. the problem with both is while they show excellent fundamentals neither can dunk.

That's great, but how does it affect Lyoto Machida?

by beery_pbr on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The situation in MMA between the “new media” and the UFC is the exact opposite of what happened with websites covering the movie industry. Movie studios realized that they could get positive coverage and “buzz” for their movies by basically bribing movie blogs with free promotional goodies and paid junkets to movie sets.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The UFC did this too. That’s why it was such a big deal when they changed policies.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? Who did the UFC use to buy off?

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC made an effort to reach out to smaller media. In the old days, everyone that came to the fights came at the UFC’s expense, except Dave Meltzer who made a point of paying his own way to maintain his professional integrity.

Zuffa also reached out to places like Sherdog and Full Contact Fighter and had strong ties to many of the underground sites that helped keep the sport alive.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The UFC made an effort to reach out to smaller media. In the old days, everyone that came to the fights came at the UFC’s expense, except Dave Meltzer who made a point of paying his own way to maintain his professional integrity.

Weird. Meltzer is gangsta.

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by SC on Apr 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol..

…..oh wait. i didn’t recognize you with the new userpic.. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for Meltzer. Anyone who accepted paid trips has no right to criticize the UFC’s current media policy. You stop being a journalist the second you accept money or other considerations from the subject you are covering.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Anyone who accepted paid trips has no right to criticize the UFC’s current media policy. You stop being a journalist the second you accept money or other considerations from the subject you are covering."

What? In almost every major sports arena every reporter/journalist that covers them receives free tickets or media passes. You cannot be critical of someone that you receive free tickets or media passes to do your job?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Passes to an event are fine. Airplane tickets and hotel rooms are not.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, but I do not think we are really talking about the UFC

providing flights/hotels are we?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know. That’s what I thought Snowden was implying. What happened with the movie blogs is that movie studios pay for bloggers to visit movie sets and pal around with movie stars. Coverage was affected.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I get what you are saying but I would

have way more of a problem with a journalist/reporter who was paid to cover an event not being objective. There are obviously many outlets that do exactly what the promoters want, but what would be the point of covering the event if they are not going to be objective?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many reporters in all areas of journalism have sold their souls for access.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt, but those are the ones that we should deplore.

Simply accepting hospitality, as long as you remain unbiased, is what the job entails.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking that you can accept “hospitality” and remain unbiased is the height of hubris. Journalists have a professional code of conduct, accepting “hospitality” violates that code.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. I live in Dallas & every reporter that

covers the Cowboys, Mavericks or Rangers receives “hospitality” from these teams & believe me, they do not hold back when blasting them on their issues.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most professional codes of conduct specifically identify “creating the appearance of a conflict of interest” as a problem to negate the argument you are making now.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is not a conflict of interest when the entity

that is paying for or allowing you access wants the coverage. Which is why they take some of the bad with the good. These “beat” reporters actually fly on the team planes with the team & they often, almost weekly, will write a piece that is either negative to or at least puts the team in a negative light.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Apr 16, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is exaclty what I am talking. And it came directly from the guy that wrote the checks…

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and at the time, no one was covering them. Good or bad they were getting no one at the show. Reports could say “I really want to cover the fight, but I can’t get there to do it” Reporters that arn’t independently wealthy and hardcore fans will not cover it. Papers didn’t care because people didn’t care. They were not going to fly anyone out to anywhere. They had to provide the means to coverage. Maybe it was good, maybe it was bad, but they didn’t really have an option when no one would touch the sport.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I don’t like it, but I have to it in order to grow this _______” (sport, business, tv show, radio show, website) Is the favorite excuse of the MMA world.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying that the NY Times was sending guys to cover events in the dark ages? You need buzz to get coverage and you need coverage to get buzz. Solve that equation without greasing the wheels.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right. I just wanted to make a point about hearing the same excuse over and over from people in the MMA world. Sometimes it is justified, as it is in your post.

by Jahbulon on Apr 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we need to really get a post up regarding this whole Sherdog/Crave Online lawsuit that’s about to blow up all over the Internet.

And also…. how is there not something on this whole Michael Lynch resigning from WAMMA and Caplan taking over… come on guys!

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by Leland Roling on Apr 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unrest at WAMMA? the hell you say. But seriously. I want more info about this.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Caplan taking over makes me laugh so hard, but where is NATE at! His best friend, Lynch, has resigned.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 16, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I don’t see either as big MMA stories. Caplan taking over WAMMA…whatever.

Maybe I misread, the Sherdog lawsuit appears to be over defamation and improper citing. Maybe I missed the main article?

by Michael Rome on Apr 16, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cmon rome, doesn't wamma deserve even a single post?

maybe even a fanshot if you dont want it to reach 75 words.. haha. :D

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, actually, it is over improper citing, but it’s rather odd.

Loretta basically said that since Maysey isn’t a “media outlet”, they don’t need to cite him even though it was his original article. Is that correct? I’d love to hear how that works.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s MMApayout’s article on the Crave/Sherdog lawsuit. I thought it deserved attention too, but I don’t know journalism well enough to do anything with it.

I’m interested in this WAMMA deal too; I had no idea about it.

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by Rundownloser on Apr 16, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I already fanposted it if anyone wants to read up on the situation.

Basically, Lynch resigned from WAMMA, and the press release says Sam Caplan is in line to take over as Chief Operating Officer of WAMMA.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just front paged it.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the wamma thing is just weird..

i’d love to see the reasoning behind everything though. anyone know?

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT WRITING!!!! good f’ng job!

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by ekc on Apr 16, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SO Luke do you think Sherdog is a real media outlet?

What do you think about Jeff Sherwood threatening to only cover PRIDE because his cost on UFC DVD’s went up?

Is Sherdog a real media outlet? and more to the point if you think sherdog is a media outlet why isnt what Dana claiming news? why isnt that front page news?

Dana runs a private business… he can have an opinion. Here you have a site claiming to have “journalists” and be a “news site” while on the other hand threatening to report and cover other than the real “news”. I think that’s a bigger story – but we’re not hearing about it on what you claim to be “real” media".

Here’s the difference between “real media” and the “joke” media.

The “joke” media have no real guidelines. They are mostly fan boys and some have personal agendas.

Do you think if CNN threatened a pharmacutical company that if it doesn’t buy certain ad spots that it will only cover its competitions announcements – dont you think that would be newsworthy?

Anyone can set up a site and claim to be a “journalist” – how about a site first proving that it actually is before thinking it should have privileges…

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If what White says about Sherdog is true, that’s troubling. I will look into it.

But the issue is less about Sherdog specifically. People tell me if we wrote more straight news articles and less opinion we’d get credentialed, but that didn’t work for Junkie or Mania or 5 oz. And as I’ve said before, credentialing would be nice. I’d like to get easier fighter access, be on conference calls and attend press conferences. But you’re right, we don’t really need it. It’s not my top goal.

I just don’t understand White. When I wanted to write about MMA in the beginning, where was I supposed to go? ESPN? CBS? You know this as well as I do: they weren’t hiring. And I didn’t want to write for Sherdog or Weekly, so my only option was starting out on my own. And in the tradition of political blogging, I believed some original reporting and intrepid work along with opinion filtered aggregation was the best option for me.

Honestly, at this point, all I want is for the petty insults to stop. Logic, you know this as well as I do, the media world is changing and its changing in our direction. I admit this form of media is hybrid, has some issues it needs to iron out, but everything is moving in our direction. To say we aren’t relevant is patently false. If they don’t want to publicly recognize that, ok, but at least have the intellectual honesty to say “no comment”.

And lastly, am I really supposed to take White’s comments about professional journalists doing a professional job seriously? The guy is successful and brilliant, no argument. But professional? I mean, come on.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the future is new media. And media is great as a watchdog of sorts – but new media has yet to have its “own” watchdog.

The problem is sherdog, hunt, gross have their own agenda.

The only place ive seen without an agenda and straight shits on everybody is BE. The hybrid style of content is the best so I do agree with that.

BE will eventually be a regular now that its merged with USA today to an extent. IF BE was the one with espn that would of been the natural flow of things and all would be set.

Sherdog will never get credentials for the shit they’ve pulled and Gross will not either.

New Media will get more respect as offline media continues to melt into it – because then hopefully a new hypbrid guideline will carry over.

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just sent an interview request to Sherwood to talk about this issue on my radio show. I’ll let everyone know what he says.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so far he hasn’t denied it… he’s said he doesnt “remember” what was said.

This shit is akin to Zuffa fight fixing – you’d think this claim would get a little more attention than Dana calling “new media” names.

Lorretta has an anonymous source claiming Zuffa is trying to create a wedge between managers and fighters so she goes and tries to twist things around to make this case. This bullshit is posted all over the place.

Now you have a confirmed and named source claiming how a “news” site lost all credibility when dvd profits came into play.

This story is nowhere…

Now please try to convince me again how the mma blogs are real “news” sites.

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s all fair points. I’ll follow up with a post regardless if Sherwood answers me or not.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am surprised this has not gotten any more attention. I mean this site delivers content for the so called “Worldwide leader.” You think they would respond

by The Bronzeville Bully on Apr 16, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was told some stuff about the Sherdog-Zuffa split for my book that we wound up not running because it was questionable and, bottomline, not very interesting for most fans. But there is fire accompanying this smoke.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you think the article you wrote above compares to what a professional member of the credentialed media would write? What are the differences? Why might the UFC be concerned about giving access to someone who writes in this format? What are the advantages for the UFC bringing in internet reporters who are generally less familair with how the working media operates? What are the disadvantages?

These are serious questions. I see that you put an awful lot of effort and emotion into this demand for respect. Have you considered the issues from all angles?

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Your form of MEDIA SEEMS to pick and choose what it covers...

on a more sporadic, uneven basis. News that generates negativity against the UFC is BIG NEWS, and gets a lot of push from the internet media/bloggers, yet news from or on behalf of the other side (UFC) generally gets overlooked (i.e. http://www.insidefighting.com/latest-news/managers-at-zuffa-events-vp-of-operations-goes-on-record vs. Loretta’s Article)….

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all media pick and choose

Your argument is an utter canard.

And we devote far more posts to positive coverage of the UFC than negative coverage. We’re fans first and foremost.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said your type of Media...

Had this been Dana attacking someone with an F Bomb, EVERY site would cover it… But it’s not, and therefore most of them won’t even touch it… I’m a big BE fan, and think its a great site, but that shouldn’t “blind me” into thinking that the internet media is fair, or doesn’t seem to have obvious biases (what will gain page hits, etc).

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

news flash

NO media is fair.
Everyone’s got an agenda.
No one is objective.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

But the stance that it doesn’t have to be is wrong… The online media is consistently critical of the UFC’s choices on who to credential and who not to, yet never want to assume responsibility for the reasons for which they aren’t looked at as real news media.; there should be a level of objectivity if one expects to be credentialed as a legitimate source of News Coverage…

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's a difference between fair and objective

And the UFC is looking for neither. They want a supine media working as stenographers for them. Dana and Karl Rove come from the same bully school of PR.
It works great on the way up, not so great on the way down.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

 “Real media” member Kevin Iole included stories of Dana’s charity work in his story “blasting” Dana for what he said about Loretta. For such clear professionals they are sure regularly and easily manipulated.

by Michael Rome on Apr 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, but we know Iole's bias...

and it is REGULARLY brought up…. whereas the bias the other way seems to be regularly dismissed or ignored…

I don’t understand why you guys act like the UFC doesn’t get negative press from the regular Media… All the NHB articles, human cockfighting,etc work against the UFC in the same way that all the positive press for the sport is looked at as only UFC (ultimate fighting).

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rome when you were at the UFC did anyone pressure you to report a certain way? Did the UFC PR people contact you afterwards to critique your stories? How often have you felt manipulated?

As someone who has presumably been there before, you of all people should have a grounded perspective on the supposed Zuffa media machine. Why are you spinning this?

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that they’re overt in pressure. It’s more that Dana forms personal relationships with the few key media people that tend to influence how they report on him. I mean, seriously, at the press conference at the fight night no press gave him a hard time for his Loretta comments that day. It was one of the biggest stories in the business but they were either afraid or something else to do it.

I can’t really make a full argument here because I can’t name the media outlets I personally know have changed their coverage to maintain a press position under threat of removal. But they do exist, and it has happened.

by Michael Rome on Apr 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t believe that. Sorry.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are so full of shit

or willfully naive, not sure which it is.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t want to shill, but I’ve written some fairly controversial things about Zuffa. I’ve also been backstage. I’ve never had anyone tell me that I should change my book or not report certain things. No one took away my access or banned me from the back. I don’t know anyone who has claimed they were threatened by Zuffa.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accusing Michael Rome of being a liar. This is pretty rich, even for you.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t call Rome a liar. I don’t believe that story. Unless the UFC was tellign Rome what to write, it is his source I am doubting, not him. Learn to read…

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are calling Rome a poor interpreter of events and Subo a poor reader.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 17, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be rude to someone who called me a liar, but perhaps they are more concerned with outlets with large reach than with the author of Total MMA.

by Michael Rome on Apr 16, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one called you a liar. I hope you have better attention to detail and frame better arguments in your day job.

By the way, Total MMA just went back for a second printing. Not bad I suppose for a work with no reach…

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

if Jonathan hadn’t called Rome a liar and then walked away from his IM I wouldn’t have had to post that.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana white claimed Sherdog threatened to only cover Pride because sherwoods costs on UFC dvd’s were going up…

Dont you think this is a pretty big story…. a supposed “news” sites content is being dictated by dvd profits?

Is it on bloody elbow… NO – is it because Luke writes for sherdog?

Isnt this the same thing as what you’re talking about?

Lorreta Hunt was basically IFL’s pr agent while acting like a “journalist”….

Who’s a real journalist in this business? If I were one of these supposed “journalists” I sure as hell would rather be a UFC “journalist” than a IFL or proelite or whatever “journalist”.

Either ALL of these fake “journalists” will be called out and purged from the field or the definition of “journalism” will have to change.

None of the MMA blogs touched the fight fixing allegations of pro-elite. why? were they afraid of losing a potential competitor to the UFC? Do you think this should dictate “journalism”.

The only blog to cover this was Bloody Elbow and the only writer to really go after the story was Mike Rome and then every other blog touched it.

So this is the “media” landscape in MMA. Luke is defending it – but I think he is defending the platform which he wins the argument on.

But if he is defending the wannabe “journalists” then I agree with Dana – It’s mostly a joke.

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said above I’m going to follow up with a post regardless, but a post and an interview if I can swing it.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For clarification: Sherdog has let me write for them in the past (not sure what the status is now), but I’m no employee.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

I’m too behind on other projects to fill out the paperwork, so I’ve yet to be paid for a single piece I’ve written.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus, getting paid is top priority. Make sure you get paid before the setle this lawsuit.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I tell people I'm busy

I don’t think they believe me. Although, yeah, I could’ve done this by now.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another example: Wamma.

Who’s really gotten down to what wamma is all about besides Bloody Elbow?

Every MMA site was just parroting what wamma was claiming… and still parrots to this day…. even after Bloody Elbows indepth reporting.

So this is the problem in “new media” of all the sites ONE site does indepth reporting and analysis on all MMA – shit on UFC when its called for, shit on everything MMA.

Every other site is like a retard in his basement trying to overthrow the “empire”. They will go indepth on Zuffa and sometimes with a clear agenda (sherdog) but will ignore anything else that might hurt anything but Zuffa.

Are those real news sites? A credential is a privilege not a right… why should they be entitled to one?

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And, of course, attacking WAMMA = shilling for the UFC.

Rec’d.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If your argument is that all the other sites have an anti-UFC agenda, that is a bit extreme.

The fact is, virtually all of the “mma media” is benign and lazy. This is why one site can give an incomplete analysis of, say, Japanese TV ratings, and two dozen others will enshrine that opinion as fact and give no additional context.

I would argue that the most benign of the bunch are places like the Yahoo MMA page, where the editorial direction is clearly influenced by their PPV partnership with the UFC. Before EVERY Zuffa show, Kevin Iole writes the most fluffy bullshit profiles imaginable.

So yeah, even the “UFC-friendly” outlets are in the same boat as the ones with an “anti-UFC” agenda. Though I’m sure anyone who regularly reads Sherdog can probably see that they have no strong agenda one way or the other. Bringing up PRIDE DVD stuff from years ago isn’t terribly relevant.

by smoogy on Apr 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blah...

I’m not really taking enough time to say what I mean directly… It’s hard to look at the MMA Media Online without a level of skepticism on what sites cover at times, especially when sites like Sherdog are so much a part of the community, yet so obviously biased against the UFC (to more of an extent IMO than yahoo is biased for UFC). BE is comprised of different people with different opinions, and for the most part I find all of your opinions worthy of discussion due to the promotion of intelligent conversation, so really this isn’t a Issue I have with this site particularly… Its just that it seems that the topics that are discussed in a negative light (specifically UFC) garner more attention than other positive UFC stories, or even negative information of other orgs… Online… Offline the UFC deals with the Human Cockfighting NHB BS, legislation, negative stereotypes, in addition to their events getting some light, lack-luster coverage most of the time…. But even the stereotypes are from the misinformed, and can blame their ignorance in the future, whereas the online community is more knowledgeable, yet has biases and tendencies that sway opinion regardless of truth or not.

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading the article now.

by Luke Thomas on Apr 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that story is pointless

UFC VP of Operations says “nothing to see here”. She should have just responded to Loretta in the first place.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She says Loretta NEVER contacted her...

How is the article pointless? It gives detailed information on the process, how long its been in place, the reasons for it, as well as the way that these “Managers” were being done favors, and still violating the rules that were in place… She also says that it was her decision, and not a sinister plot on behalf of the evil Dana White, etc…

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for one thing the story is cold and old and dead

for another she’s just saying the same thing Dana said in his video blog with out all the cursing.
Loretta claims she contacted the UFC PR dept. If they don’t pass that along to the VP of Operations that’s not Loretta’s fault.
Her reporting has substantially been supported by Dave Meltzer, Sam Caplan and Josh Gross.
I’m not that big a Loretta Hunt fan, but the way the UFC dealt with her was the epitmome of unprofessional.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so because Dana was unprofessional...

and because the UFC refuses to work with Sherdog BECAUSE of sherdog trying to strong-arm the UFC, this is the UFC’s fault? Again, the self-entitlement of Internet Journalists is MIND BLOWING to me…. Why should the UFC cooperate with a site that has done questionable shit to them for years? Oh, its because the UFC is fucking EVIL and can never be right even when they are.

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its PR 101

it doesn’t matter how shitty the media outlet is to you, if its big enough to matter you answer their questions.
As much as Dana hates them, Sherdog is the biggest site in MMA and has a deal with the biggest media entity in sports.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly the mindset that bothers me also...

Because it’s a simple defense of the accusations made by Loretta Hunt it’s not important… But Loretta’s Story elicited an immediate response from the community condemning the actions of Dana, the UFC, and questioning whether they were doing something sinister… The funniest thing is that contracts are signed for multi fight deals… So when a fighter is in the middle of a deal, and they get offered a fight after a win? Thats so underhanded! Noone’s complaining when someone is offered a title shot, which is the same thing… And as we see Rampage turned down his fight, and has received no backlash etc…

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because the allegations were consistent with a pattern of behavior from the UFC

and had been rumored for a long time, there was a pent up desire to discuss them when Hunt’s story was posted.
If I don’t even care to read a story because its been wrung out thoroughly, there’s no way I’m posting on it here at BE.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A journalist has integrity and Hunt may have spent her’s all up at other times. I don’t beleive a word she writes. I think Dana is a scumbag, but he has been pretty honest when pressed. Like the Ferrell thing.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a blogstyle news site. You are welcome to participate.

I’ve gotten news I thought important promoted to the Main page. You can too. I’m not even that knowledgeable of the sport anymore.

We for the most part get the stories that are the most popular. It’s good you posted it here, but if you really think it’s important and really a worthy news story, do a fanpost/fanshot. It isn’t hard.

by natyong on Apr 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the "guidelines" of "real" media are a joke

The “real media” are the ones who spent the summer of 2001 talking about fucking shark attacks.
Jon Benet Ramsay much?

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is kind of a red herring though, isn’t it? The media that covered those stories operated on a 24 hour news cycle. If there was a CNN-MMA, I’d bet a lot of silly stories would get pushed there too.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the shark attacks were the lead story during prime time.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, for one, think there is not enough shark attack coverage. Animals with teeth, swimming where I swim! I demand a constat John Stossel expose.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would Loretta hunt get away with calling herself a “journalist” in the “real media” world?

She’d be laughed right out of town.

That’s like sean hannity saying he’s a “journalist”.

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Loretta

should just put “dumb fucking bitch” on her business cards.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is another word that fits the rhyme scheme better…

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

Instead she should put “Dana White Called me a dumb fucking bitch” on her business card, so that people keep focusing on that instead of her bullshit stories, and biases.

by Loot on Apr 16, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t hurt.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not very knowledgable about these things...

but do the NFL, MLB, or any of these other organizations pick and choose who they credential? How exactly does it work in other sports?

by Zack Gobie on Apr 16, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the NHL just cut a deal with SB Nation

To feature our content on the official NHL web site.
Mark Cuban in the NBA has tried to ban bloggers but David Stern overruled him.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate’s answer is kind of indirect avoidance of the issue. Of course other sports can credential whoever they’d like.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I directly answered his question

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No you didn’t. The question is: Do other sports organizations pick and chose who they credential."

The answer: yes.

by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 16, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah you're correct

I didn’t even really see that question.
LOL @ me.
Of course everyone picks who they credential.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 16, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who should pick if not them?

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 16, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me I guess.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 16, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole “DVDs” issue is kind of amusing. I don’t think UFC is worried about the journalistic intregrity of the outlets they provide access. If they were, their most preferred outlet wouldn’t be THEIR ONLINE PPV PARTNER.

by smoogy on Apr 16, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no rumor about Yahoo threatening them with bad coverage either. Maybe they have intregrity at Yahoo.

by szucconi on Apr 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ITS NOT ABOUT ZUFFA…

Are you as a fan concerned about the journalistic integrity about where you think you’re getting you’re “news” from?

THAT’S THE POINT.

Wouldn’t you like to know if your supposed news content is being dictated by dvd profits?

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine used to depend on the success/interests of Disney/Westinghouse – yey for the Internet!

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are ignoring the flipside of that argument. Even if I took it as truth that Sherdog is aggressively anti-Zuffa (which is horseshit IMO), the approved outlets like Yahoo are even worse in their slobbering approval of everything UFC does. You will never see Kevin Iole writing a substantive criticism of anything Dana White does, because he doesn’t want to lose his text buddy privileges.

I don’t believe DVD profits dictate Sherdog’s coverage. That seems like a red herring, and an OLD one at that. But I find it very easy to believe that Yahoo’s coverage is affected by the fact that THEY SELL UFC PAY PER VIEWS ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE NEWS.

by smoogy on Apr 16, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t hear defenses for Yahoo so much as attacks on Sherdog.

Perhaps there is an MMA site that’s in the middle and actually tries to keep things objective…

Maybe I’ll find one one day.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fiveouncesofpain.com is a good one

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Apr 16, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

subo takes a shot at BE! booo!

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should wait until you hire someone to do that.

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Yahoo threaten Zuffa over coverage to better their terms on the ppv????

by mmalogic on Apr 16, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it matter? It isn’t like you can prove the DVD thing actually happened.

by smoogy on Apr 16, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quoth Ivan Trembow:
"White went on to say that MMA web sites don’t get credentialed by UFC because they’re not real journalists."

On a related note, the first person Dana White calls when he has a story that he wants to spin a certain way is Kevin Iole, who apparently is "a real journalist."

Then, when he decides to give interviews after his little incident (you know, the one where he said nothing wrong and the media was out to get him), he goes on a radio show that he’s friendly with, and an ESPN Page 2 writer that he’s friendly with, who proceeds to not ask him a single question about his attack against Loretta Hunt.

To Dana White, whether someone is a "real journalist" or not depends on whether they are obedient to Zuffa, and "not being obedient to Zuffa" means daring to actually do things that real journalists would never do… like, you know, occasionally writing news stories that might not please the subjects of those news stories.

And apparently "real journalists" also have editorial content partnerships with the UFC, and the media entity for which they work (Yahoo Sports) makes more money when the UFC sells more online PPVs. That’s what "real journalism" is all about, after all.

by smoogy on Apr 16, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t get the criticism. NBC does better when more people watch NFL games. NBC hires the analysts. Thus, the analysts are biased towards the NFL.

Problem?

by subo on Apr 16, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read this entire head, I have a threadache!

Good stuff though. I’ll probably try and decipher it again later.

by natyong on Apr 16, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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