Almost No One Thinks Thales Leites Can Beat Anderson Silva
Sherdog's Pro's Pick feature comes up with one of the most one-sided counts I've ever seen:
Pros that picked Silva: 18
Pros that picked Leites: 1
Pros that did not pick a winner: 3
UFC.com's Michael DiSanto has to come up with a scenario that makes this bout intriguing. Here's what he came up with:
The challenger needs to circle early and avoid engaging in the opening seconds. That may lull Silva into some showboating as the crowd jeers. One of his showboating techniques is to stick his chin out and roll his hands in a Saturday Night Fever sort of way. He does that while walking in. It is a taunt designed to get his opponent to strike so that he can counter, which really is what Silva does best.
Leites has no choice but to attack at that point. He needs to attack as soon as he sees Silva bring his hands together while leaning forward. For that split second, Silva is out of position to fire an effective counter. Thus, Leites needs to dive in with a right hand like there is no tomorrow. All he needs to do is land one shot on the chin and the fight could be over. Silva has a great chin, but anyone can get knocked out with those little vale tudo gloves.
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Leites needs to have a backup plan. That plan consists of trying to time a Silva punch and shoot for a takedown. He cannot lead with a takedown attempt because Silva has an excellent sprawl and, more importantly, he is expert at timing shots with a flying knee strike. He knocked out Carlos Newton by countering a takedown with a flying knee strike to the jaw at PRIDE 25.
Yet, if he can shoot off of a Silva punch, he may very well get the fight to the ground. Once there, he needs to be very aggressive trying to pass into a dominant position so that he can work for a submission or try to pound out the champion.
He cannot be cautious and calculating on the ground because Silva is a black belt with an excellent guard. He has extremely long, lean legs, which allow him to place his opponent in a body triangle from the guard. That eliminates any chance of passing and also effectively neutralizes all submission attempts, so it just becomes a ground-and-pound game while caught in Silva’s guard, and that isn’t an overly effective way to end the fight.
If Leites is able to get into side mount, Kimuras and arm bars are a real possibility. Also, Silva likes to defend side mount by rolling to his stomach and standing up. That opens the door for Leites to take his back and look for a rear naked choke.
Again, he needs to throw the kitchen sink at Silva in terms of submission attempts because it isn’t likely that with Leites’ lack of dominant wrestling skills that he will be able to take down Silva repeatedly during the bout.
I love how plan A is to throw a hail mary punch. I think I'm alone out there in giving Leites a decent chance against Silva. Anderson's losses have all come against strong ground fighters and Leites fits that bill.
Don't get me wrong, I'm picking Silva, but I think Leites has a better chance than he's being given by most.
UPDATE: Kelvin Hunt has a nice piece from a little while back that makes the case for Thales:
Anderson Silva loves to feel out his opponent for the first couple minutes of the fight. He uses that time to gauge distance and get a sense of timing for his opponents. Then he explodes with a variety of moves, sometimes it's a flying knee or the straight left. Silva likes to entertain and if he goes for a flying knee or something spectacular Leites could get the take down to work his magic. Leites had Marquardt mounted a couple of times only to let Marquardt either escape or reclaim half/full guard. As I mentioned earlier, Marquardt is one of the larger/stronger guys of the MW division and an accomplished grappler in his own right. So I'm not so sure that Silva would be able to escape being mounted by Leites. I would also like to think that Leites has watched the Marquardt fight and tighten up the errors that he made on the ground in that fight.
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Leites gets about as much love as Cote...
Pros Pick: Silva vs. Cote
Pros who picked Silva: 27
Pros who picked Cote: 2
No pick: 5
I'm picking Silva too
But I’m simply not going to pull a Sylvia (ie, shit my pants) if he loses. Between the leveling of the training landscape and four ounce gloves, anybody can beat anybody.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.mmaforreal.com/2008/12/24/making-the-case-for-thales-leites-against-anderson-silva/
This was last year.
http://www.mmaforreal.com
lol
Thanks a good question….anyways….I have always given Leites a legit chance of winning….I don’t want to keep putting links up…it’s on my blog.
http://www.mmaforreal.com
here's the link
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
’cause the link is in the subject line instead of the actual comment
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand why people are picking Anderson but I don’t understand why people think it is such a mismatch for Thales. I don’t know why but I am probably the only person out there picking him that doesn’t train with him or is his family.
I’m rooting for him…
Coming off of the Countdown show last night he came off as a very likeable good guy. Hey, Serra beat GSP right?
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that worries me about Thales is he doesn’t have a good outside shot. He tends to work for takedowns from a close position, and I think that is going to be very bad for him against Anderson.
Honestly, Leites definitely has a chance, but I don’t see this going past the first round.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to make a fanpost about this last after watching the countdown show on Spike but I was being lazy so I’ll give the short version here.
I don’t see any way Leites wins this fight. It’s not that he isn’t a very skilled fighter, because he is, but he’s obviously not on the same level as Silva (duh, not many are) and I think Anderson is going to be more motivated for this fight than perhaps any fight he’s had since he won the title. The reason is I think he’s sincerely disappointed and ashamed with his last performance. I think he feels like he let his boss down, his fans down, and most importantly, himself down. He knows he could have finished that fight earlier, he could have done whatever he wanted with Cote, but for some reason he didn’t, then when Cote went down with the injury it was too late. I know the UFC countdown shows are just a big hype machine but I think Silva is being sincere when he says he is out to prove something in this fight. When you are considered the best in the world you don’t want to win a fight in the fashion he did last time out, and I think this time he’s going to make sure nothing like that happens again.
Silva by TKO, rd. 1.
Anyone else watch the Lutter fight and think that Lutter probably would have won if he’d been in good condition?
He almost had Silva at least once before he totally gassed.
exactly
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
This is one way to look at it, another is that Silva worked his way out of Lutter’s mount and submitted an advanced black belt from his back. Silva also had bad knees, a much better and more legitimate excuse than Lutter getting tired, which is a big part of the sport of MMA.
by Michael Rome on Apr 14, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Leites is a legitimate challenger without regard for his opponent on Saturday
That’s why I wrote this!
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/4/14/835991/qualifying-the-challenger-thales
Anyone facing Anderson Silva is likely to seem lacking in credibility because, well… they’re facing Anderson Silva. If you consider the options, everyone that will face Anderson in the foreseeable future is likely to be met with the same treatment. Okami, Marquardt, Maia, Bisping and, perhaps to a lesser extent, but still the underdog, Dan Henderson.
I poop rainbows.
Hendo got owned, R1 consisted of him unrolling the blanket and then hanging on for dear life.
After that it took less than a round for him to get subbed.
Good point. I have none, except to express my dissatisfaction with Hendo being 1 win away from a title shot.
He would get beaten as badly as Rich did in his rematch.
No doubt
Just saying his odds would likely be better than many of those other guys.
I poop rainbows.
by Charles Awad on Apr 14, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Think about this
What if Jacare or Mayhem was getting the title shot. Would anyone be giving them a better chance than Leites?
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Jacare maybe, just because I think he might have better takedowns (though I don’t think his chin or cardio are as good). But I certainly think Leites has a better chance than Lawler, Mousasi, or Jorge Santiago.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Apr 14, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally no, I think Leites has a better chance than either since he’s decent enough standing to not get completely blown away early. I just think it’s been a long time since the Takase fight. For a lot of people that is one of their earliest memories of Silva, so it’s hard to believe he is as good as people say.
by Michael Rome on Apr 14, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so. Leites clearly has a better chin than Jacare and clearly possesses better BJJ than Miller.
I poop rainbows.
by Charles Awad on Apr 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with the title of this post, a lot of people think Leites can beat Silva, almost no one thinks he will beat Silva.
Are you talking about the Sherdog article? Because almost everyone I talk too think Thales has no chance.
Of course he has a chance. But if I were to pick, in order, the opponents that have the best chance of defeating Anderson Silva, he’d have a few people in front of him, though they may all be separated by the most narrow of margins. One thing that is standing in the way of any perception that he could emerge victorious is that even in defeating Nate Marquardt, Leites was battered pretty severely and would have lost if not for the illegal knee point deduction. That’s the most recent, and lasting, memory of Thales Leites that a many fans have.
I poop rainbows.
by Charles Awad on Apr 14, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Leites has about as much of a chance as a Somali pirate 80 yards away from a Navy SEAL
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 14, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Silva, TKO, Rd. 1.
Another snoozer.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You’d consider a first round knockout a snoozer?
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s an admitted Silva hater.
I poop rainbows.
by Charles Awad on Apr 14, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys like Silva and Fedor are so darn predictable – they enter the ring, whoop some ass, and then it’s over. Where’s the intrigue, the suspense, the foreplay? Instead, the wad is blown in the first five minutes and she’s never satisfied. What am I supposed to tell her? Finish yourself off?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 14, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I mean at least in the case of Fedor, there is the intrigue of “maybe he will finally lose a fight”.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
not if it was a suprise. I feel like this is going to be more like “and….TKO. Ok, show’s over. You can beat the crowd out of the bar if you go now”. That’s kind of boring to me.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 14, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think Anderson should fight? I’m interested in your perspective because you probably want to see him lose more than the rest of us… combined.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming Clean on the Spider (not Kendall Grove)
Nah.. I don’t really care if he loses or not. I just don’t like hearing all the hype. He’s a great fighter, but he’s over hyped in my opinion. I don’t think he’s that much different from GSP or BJ Penn. All of them fight in divisions where they dominate and there are few legit challengers. You have money lines on title fights that are so rediculous they are not even interesting. I really want to see Silva fight Bisping, Wandy, Henderson (again), Maia and maybe some legit LHW’s. Wether or not he wins or loses- i don’t really care. At least it will be interesting. I will be pulling against him, however, just because I think for people to call him the “greatest p4p” and try to compare him to Fedor is laughable.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 15, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
" I think for people to call him the "greatest p4p" and try to compare him to Fedor is laughable."
but…but, P4P is a stupid concept…right?
yes. Which is why it is laughable. But the rediculousness of the concept of “p4p” is another arguement entirely.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Apr 15, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely off topic
Just saw a crawl on ESPN that said Oscar De La Hoya is retiring. Of course he’s a boxer so he’ll have 15 comebacks before he’s really done.
Yeah, there is that
But then again, maybe he’s got his pile of money and doesn’t give a shit anymore.
DLH will be boxing’s last great draw. Yeah, I said it.
by Derek Suboticki on Apr 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt that.
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Apr 15, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oscar is one boxer I expect to stay retired.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to think there will be at least one more big payday out there for him a year or two down the road that’s too hard to resist. Granted he’s already loaded but when has that stopped other athletes?
If he had gone out any other way, I would agree, but he got absolutely embarrassed by Pac. One of the saddest things I’ve seen in boxing was DLH walking up to Freddie Roach immediately after that fight and saying “You were right, I don’t have it anymore.”
Then again, maybe that makes him more likely to return for a chance at one more win. I guess we’ll see.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I think anyone who picks against Silva is a bit silly… but then again, exactly how many fedors can exist? Silva’s been beaten (Azeredo, Takase, Chonan and Okami) and nine consecutive wins is a terribly long streak. His goofing off against Cote didn’t exactly speak volumes for his ability to concentrate any longer – I don’t see him having much more motivation against Leites than Cote and if he starts goofing off…
Anderson Silva is due. That’s not a knock on him – anyone who keeps fighting top quality opponents will one day get caught. Serra did it to GSP, Rampage did it to Liddell, Mir did it to Nogueira, Soko to Little Nog, Diaz to Gomi… It might not be Leites, but the winner of Bisping-Henderson might be there in time for the eventual statistical loss.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Apr 14, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Actually Nate...
Plan A is a plan that involves Leites throwing a hail mary punch WHILE Silva Saturday Night Fever’s him with a dance. That’s how insanely ridiculous plan A is. LOL
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I like Plan A. It sounds like something Phil Baroni would tell Leites if he was in his corner.
by smoogy on Apr 14, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mmmm
probably not. at + 600 maybe.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Leites vs Silva
I’m surprised that so many pros actually made picks,ussaly they tend to sit on the fence and say how each fighter can win the fight.but then again this fight isn’t as close on paper as Liddell vs. Rua or StPierre vs Alves.I noticed that most pros are reluctant to descisivly pick a winner.

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