ESPN's MMA Live Still Overrated
Admittedly, I'm a fan of the show and I do hope it eventually earns televised air time, but between issues of on air talent to topics covered, there are significant problems with the show. Others, strangely, seem to think it's steadily improving:
It's an interesting dynamic that the best concepts are usually hashed by the simplest of downtime conversations. Rooted by a desire to shatter a negative perception about mixed martial arts, ESPN staffers Kieren Portley and Anthony Mormile, their working relationship rooted in 2005, share a passion for MMA dating back to Dan Severn, Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock. One day the duo was reminiscing about the defunct PRIDE organization and discussing current UFC events when the idea of a real MMA news and information show in the same vein as "College Football Live" or "NFL Live" was hatched. These guys had a support system; many ESPN employees were MMA fans and thus a creative impetus to fill a large void.
"The sport needed a real news and information show that covered MMA the way the fans and fighters deserve rooted in the ESPN professionalism that fans have come to expect," said Portley, "MMA Live's" coordinating producer. "MMA is not a sideshow or gimmick, as some 'mainstream' media might portray it, rather a high-level athletic competition similar to any of the other major sports where the participants really respect each other and their sport. We consider MMA a major sport. The sport deserves the same type of coverage."
All that remained was star power. Portley and Co. found it in Florian, Mir, Bonnar and Franklin. ESPN put its resources behind the endeavor, and from the get-go, the group had a sense they were on to something.
The smooth production quality and Anik's positively flawless ability as a knowledgable, helpful host who keeps the show moving are what save the effort. Unlike the very problematic "Inside MMA" on HDNet (which often features guests from the "MMA media" that positively no one has heard of and have zero impact on the sport), the ESPN show features better pacing and has more refined hosting talent that doesn't get side tracked with inane conversations and awful shtick on air. And they get many of the basics correct by leading with their biggest story first. I'd also give a tip of that hat to Kenny Florian for his insight, candor and healthy image he promotes as a representative of the sport.
So what's the problem? There are a couple of issues. First, aside from Florian and the occasional spot from Frank Mir, there is no one on the show who does any worthwhile analysis. Not Stephan Bonnar, not Franklin McNeil, no one. MMA Live is probably hampered by purse strings, so they look to bring in talent that's at least neighboring Bristol, Connecticut. The problem is that the number of folks capable of offering entertaining and meaningful on air analysis in MMA can be counted on one hand, so by recruiting regionally ESPN unfortunately narrows the scope of an already shallow talent pool.
Second, and this is a battle I've had to learn the hard way, the content isn't as mainstream as one would think. There is a often recited view among hardcore fans that what's important in the sport needs to be covered in the sport. That means if what's happening in Japan is relevant, it needs to be covered as such. As much as it may pain the more puritanical among us to admit, that's demonstrably false in mediums outside of web news or commentary (and even in this space we have certain rules we must obey). Now, websites like this one are able to get away with covering almost whatever we like, but that's because sites like this serve as easy rallying points for an energetic, committed hardcore fan base. The typical profile of that reader is someone with an adequate knowledge of the sport or one curious about learning more and technology allows them to expand on their interest. Unfortunately, the vast majority of fans and would-be converts do not match this profile. They positively do not care about regional or international shows and are not particularly interested in learning. On a much smaller level, this is a reality I've had to confront with my radio show. It turns out that even if fans care about learning more, the recitation of news from Japan or regional shows outside of their home territory becomes a daunting task to absorb and turns a lot of folks away. Learning about the MMA universe is a long, difficult process so even if the listeners or viewers are interested, they are regularly turned off by their own sense of inadequacy or ignorance. Add to that insouciance about the MMA world beyond the shores of the UFC among other fans and covering Sengoku results seems to make less and less sense.
I've often heard fans of other sports complain ESPN cares only about the Cowboys and Yankees. I'm not sure what the problem with this is, to be quite frank. Is ESPN's news model the most ideal or the most interesting? Probably not, but that's not really the issue. Ultimately, this is a for-profit business juggling the bottom line numbers of ratings with a responsibility to cover the sports news. The final product is now and forever will be a compromise of the two. They are inextricably locked into that model, so if you aren't getting your news or commentary, you have to find another medium.
The first priority among any new show is to first grow the audience, then open up later when they are locked in, more knowledgable and comfortable with the content. Purists don't appreciate the premium placed on style, ratings numbers or known commodities, but those are the essential ingredients to growth. Sherdog.com, for example, features many very good Internet-based radio shows that I listen to regularly, but for reasons I've outlined not one is ready for terrestial or even satellite comsumption. The idea that information - relevant, important information dealing directly with the most important issues involving the sport - should carry the day does not carry across mediums and the proof is in the ratings. You can curse me until your day of death for worshipping at the altar of ratings, but in the real world where big media companies are pouring big sums of money into ventures, ratings is what matters.
UPDATE: One minor correction: Mike Chiappetta, when he has filled in, has done a very good job of offering quality analysis on air. I do want to make sure he's recognized.
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Yeah they could do a better job, but unfortunately we as MMA fans don’t have many other options.
by Bandaka on Apr 14, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the show is great for non hardcore fans, which is actually what it should be. Florian and Anik make a good team. I have no clue why Franklin McNeil is still on the show. No one seems to like him at all, and unlike Mike Goldberg, he offers no value to the show whatsoever.
by jafotinatos on Apr 14, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really agree with this, and here’s some quick thoughts.
1) Jon Anik is absolutely dreamy, so the show rules on that alone.
2) Yeah, McNeil and Bonnar blow, but Florian, Mir, and Torres have all provided entertaining and informative analysis. And as you edited in, Mike Chiappetta did a bang-up job in his day replacing McNeil as well. And while Jeff Sherwood isn’t an MMA savant by any means, he’s done a capable job when they get him on the line.
3) I’m not sure I understand the Yankee/Cowboy/Red Sox parallel here. Does ESPN push them a little hard? Sure, but that’s mostly about how many Yankee and Red Sox games they play disproportionate to the rest of the league. They still cover the rest of the league (and this goes for other sports as well). Of course, teams that are winning or are in playoff races are going to get more time. And while MMA Live does cover regional and international events, the bulk of the discussion is based on the UFC.
But I’m not sure why you think MMA Live shouldn’t be covering non-UFC (and maybe Strikeforce?) news. Yes, the MMA universe is expansive and getting fully immersed is an uphill battle. But it’s not as if MMA Live is copying the Jordan Breen format. They aren’t breaking down gymnasium Shooto shows or Megaton tournaments. It’s nice to see them namedrop the big names of international MMA which can give new fans a solid jumping off point.
4) Just personally, MMA Live provides a nice little 30 minute roundup of the week’s biggest news. For that, I enjoy it.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 14, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to run, but...
A quick response to your points:
1. Anik is the best. Agreed.
2. The replacements and guests do better analysis, but that’s just my point: maybe they’re trying to decipher who can do this reliably over time, but my point is before the show plans on going anywhere that needs to be ironed out.
3. I’m not referring to the storied rivalry between the Yanks and Sox. I’m talking about teams or issues or people that take up a disproportionate amount of news despite their being other more relevant news happening. I admittedly don’t follow other sports, but I heard groan after groan after groan from local fans here in DC (granted, Cowboy enemies) that they couldn’t understand why Tony Romo was getting such huge amounts of coverage. Is Romo actually generating that much purely important news? Not at all, but covering him helps with ratings as the Cowboys have a wider appeal than most NFL teams and Romo has a bit of celebrity factor to him outside of his role in athletics. Yes, the bulk of discussion involves the UFC, no argument there, but you should see the stream numbers for my show on WJFK when I bring up Japanese MMA. As I understand it, they positively plummet the moment the issue is approached and decline thereafter. Precipitous dropoff is not something most shows can handle, to say nothing of a brand new show.
4. I agree there. For you and me, it’s great. But the wider sporting community cannot and will not care about sparsely attended Sengoku shows if MMA Live moves to television. That will be the quickest way to put the show back on the Internet.
by Luke Thomas on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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ESPN is shameless about pushing major media markets over smaller ones – that’s why you never, ever hear the Spurs mentioned as a dynasty alongside Boston and LA. As a lifelong Colorado resident, I’m almost used to whomever CBS has working the Broncos game shitting on Denver throughout – but I used to expect better from ESPN. But hey, more in depth Patriots and Sawx coverage!
by subo on Apr 14, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To respond to your third point, I think Luke’s argument is that MMA Live would be better served in the long term by catering to casual fans. I rarely watch MMA Live because it doesn’t provide much for me in terms of original content. I read four or five MMA blogs every day. I know what’s going on and get my analysis from there. I would imagine a lot of the readers of this site feel the same way. As a result, MMA Live is better off focusing on casual viewers. Those are the people who are most likely to get something out of the show.
by Andy R on Apr 14, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Inside MMA
…although not perfect at all, they have a better, well rounded coverege of MMA than MMA Live. Just this past week, they had GSP, Schafer, and Berry (1 UFC star and 2 prospects), the week before they had (Coker, Rogers, Barnett, and a WEC fighter), etc. Not to mention they cover events in Japan and small regional shows. To me Inside MMA is worth it by putting up with Kenny for about an hour. I think they show will get better as it grows as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact MMAJunkie would write something subpar shouldn’t be news to anyone.
MMA Live has its problems. One of them being it moves a bit too fast for me. Yes, they have to provide a lot of information out there, but they also waste minutes on Molly Querum (spelling?). She adds nothing to the show except maybe equal opportunity employment. Franklin McNeil is all kinds of terrible, although his shot at Loretta Hunt last week did make me laugh.
If they ever make the switch to ESPN2 I would love to have Anik, Florian, and Chiappetta as a full-time team. The advantage that College Football and NFL Live have its that they are everyday shows so they can tend to focus and not rush things. But overall if they axed Molly and McNeil from the show they would boost their quality.
by ACCBiggz on Apr 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve often heard fans of other sports complain ESPN cares only about the Cowboys and Yankees. I’m not sure what the problem with this is, to be quite frank.
I’d say the big problem is that it actually DOESN’T make sense. It actually provides little incentive for the fans of other teams to care. And New York and Dallas are far from the only big market teams. Chicago, LA…etc are all markets which feel slighted by the coverage resulting in a less appealing product for a larger majority of the potential market.
It’s why ESPN isn’t quite the dominant force that they used to be. Are they still very strong? Sure they are. But they’ve actually limited growth by focusing in on a very small segment of the teams.
Live is in a really rough spot because as a webshow it isn’t REALLY stuck having to appeal only to casuals. As a matter of fact, being a webshow it makes more sense to cater to the hardcore base. Should ESPN move the show to the network I’d say it’d make much more sense to focus in more on the UFC and just talk about the other international stuff in an “around the world” segment at the end of the show. But it does provide an opportunity to focus on certain “high level” international fighters so that when they do come to the big show there is a segment beyond the hardest of the hardcores that have some idea who they are.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brent, you see this?
I think it just launched this week.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
That’s the first time I laid eyes on it
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it did point me to
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah.
I really feel for Chicago fans. I’m so glad the Sox finally won, or it might have gotten worse than this.
But yeah, that ESPN thing – apparently they plan to do the same for every market eventually, but they started with Chicago.
by Chris Nelson on Apr 14, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait....
Til they roll out “www.espnalexrodriguez.com” or “www.espntombrady.com”
by ufc4 on Apr 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just launched the past week, so don’t freak out about it.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is amazing.
I will play my game beneath the spin light.
Absurd Meridian
by Eugene Schelfaut on Apr 14, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin McNeil is the best part of the show…..at least, according to my sources.
by MattFruchtman on Apr 14, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to name drop more to make that joke work.
by Razreshat on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
touche.
McNeil kills me though, like just kills me.
When he says stuff like, “I can’t reveal my sources on this one, but apparently GSP is training really hard!” or….“I just spoke to Shogun yesterday actually, and he said he is so excited for this fight, and he said he really wants to win.”
The other ultimate mcneil happened on a couple conference calls I overhead where people would ask questions, “hi randy, do you think you’ll strike with him or….” and McNeil’s call opens with “Hi, this is Franklin McNeil. I’m the co-host of MMA live on ESPN.com. My question pertains to the subject of boxing…..”
Unreal. This guy needs his own show!
by MattFruchtman on Apr 14, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s the direction they go in then I will no longer care about MMA Live. In this day and age I can seek out blogs, podcasts and shows that speak directly to me. Going forward I don’t know that the old style of media (catering to the masses) is correct.
by starvin on Apr 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I think that you’re point isn’t really a counter argument to Luke’s. You would probably count as a hardcore fan. Insofar as they want this on TV, they may in fact need to follow old media rules.
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by Rundownloser on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t agree at all, in my opinion the show is near perfect. Mir,Florian and Anik. The show makes for great entertainment for every MMA fan and I am looking forward to seeing it every week.
by Thomas Kane on Apr 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to watch Inside MMA every week.
I haven’t watched MMA Live in 2 months just because there is nothing new that I haven’t heard already.
Inside MMA has been the first to break news or confirm big stories, something MMA Live doesn’t bother with.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll never forget anik mispronouncing uriah faber’s name wrong. i can’t even prounounce how he said his first name, but he called his last name fay-bear and prounounced a few other fighters name wrong. he has gotten much better since, but it appeared to me that that was the 1rst time he had ever even talked about mma.
by bdw on Apr 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MMA Live
Like the old saying goes,“we gotta crawl before we can walk”!
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Apr 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When they do cover DREAM and Sengoku, it is usually relegated to the end of the show in abbreviated form, under the “Hardcore” segment. I doubt that is really scaring away a substantial amount of viewers. If anything, I tune out when that Molly chick appears to cheerfully read off fighter salaries, or when they do pointless segments like “in the kitchen with Kenny’s personal chef”.
by smoogy on Apr 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, and as far as analysts go, they have one really solid personality – Jeff Sherwood. They just don’t ever invite him to discuss the mainstream-y events for some reason.
by smoogy on Apr 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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