Investors and Don King Sinking Teeth Into Mixed Martial Arts
MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) learned of King's hiring as a senior adviser for the new company from sources close to the Boca Raton, Fla.-based organization, and confirmed the news with King's news media advisor, Robert Weneck.
"[King] has been retained as a senior adviser to a Wall Street group that wanted to invest in mixed martial arts," Weneck said. "[Mandell] put together people from London, from New York, lots of major companies. It's a very credible list. They all wanted to invest in light of the growth of mixed martial arts.
"I said, 'Well, I've represented Don King for 15 years as his news media adviser. Let's get the pioneer of boxing, that understands how to do events, knows all the arenas, knows HBO, knows Showtime, knows all the sports people, and it will save you a lot of time and money.'"
While complete details of the new group's business plan were not immediately clear, the company's initial efforts are expected to begin with a reality show/documentary film series in the style of HBO's successful "24/7," which will use the program to build up the as-yet-unnamed promotion's fighters before the debut event.
"Don has always been tracking (MMA) and keeping up because it's part of what he does," Weneck said. "The thing is, it was just a nice opportunity. ... It would give people an opportunity to participate in a company that could have a potential phenomenal growth and get the proper people together to help these guys.
If this doesn't make your blood curdle, you aren't a mammal. There can be no doubt King can use his resources as well as those of 8-figure investors to produce legitimate quality MMA action. But there can also be no doubt about King's alleged altruism: it doesn't exist. He does not now and will not ever care enough about MMA to ever sacrifice for its sake. Don't you ever forget that. Do not confuse exploring new horizons with what is self-aggrandizement. His entry into MMA was a foregone a conclusion as long as MMA continued to develop. That King is in our midsts now says more about MMA positively than it does about it attracting dubious characters.
As for the plan itself, apparently the wealthy in this country believe they can re-test the theory that at the elite level it is not the UFC that is popular, but MMA. They also seem to believe that the failure of IFLs, Bodogs, AFLs and EliteXCs of the world has given them a new sense of best practices (which would scream repudiate Don King, though, wouldn't it?). Oh, and they think they are going to accomplish something in MMA with a publicly traded company. I'm not suggesting any or all of those ideas won't work, but I do believe it will be interesting to see if they can accomplish those goals if/when the UFC decides its had enough.
UPDATE: A matter of clarification: Without King I’d be a great deal more positive about this. And if its just King’s name and the Rolodex I mentioned earlier, his involvement is not a serious concern (I think). The crux of the issue will be to what extent this is or isn’t King’s operation (although I recognize there are business hurdles to be mindful of no matter King's involvement). I look forward to finding out.
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Thats a great idea! Don King is famous for making a ton of money…for Don King. He’s also famous for having a large hand in the epic decay of boxing to the near fringe sport it is today. Sounds like the guy I’d want to bring in.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Mar 9, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea, Satire
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Mar 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also famous for having a large hand in the epic decay of boxing to the near fringe sport it is today
yea…that makes no sense and holds zero water.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great White Hype
Was a terrible movie, but Samuel L’s Don King character was awesome. Eff that guy.
by Farthammer on Mar 9, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing King poor and penniless after this experiment.
by nitro on Mar 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo vs Tyson!!!
"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock
by BadB on Mar 9, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a bad thing...?
how can a don king promoted card be any worse than an afflction show?
don is a promoter. whos to say he cant put on good mma cards. the more mma the better. he certainly wont follow afflictions business model and fighter salaries alone wont dwarf the gate. he can make it a success. i dont think don would stand for anything less.
don’s the best at what hes done for decades. bright spots of course being int he 80s was by far the best promoter of the 90s. his cards in the 90s rank at the top of all time greats. especially the revenge: the rematches card. just think ufc 92 × 10 and you got his cards in the 90s. everyone one of his cards were stacked and had a star fighting when the doors opened.
with affliction most likely going under he can sign some good fighters that would be out there as well.
quit poisoning the well
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you aware of how many judges, refs, and others he has paid off to fix fights?
Don King is bad for anything he gets involved in.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
jack newfield?
dk wasn’t around in the 30 to 50s when maybe one meaningful fight out of a 1000 was fixed.
boxing promotors like don and arum fix rankings by sanctioning bodies. not fights.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could you tell us exactly how many judges, refs, and other he has paid off to fix fights? and why you havent immediately taken this information to the FBI because it is a federal crime.
by #5mmafan on Mar 9, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next you’re going to try and tell us that EliteXC wasn’t pure evil, and actually put on some good fights.
by smoogy on Mar 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction has put on great shows.
They would be lucky to ever get that much talent in one card.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t say they didn’t put on good shows. i cant wait to see more. i hope there are more. my point was affliction is being run to the ground by morons. dkp are no morons and can make a success of it.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take.
Maybe they can be the bridge between boxers to MMA.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
King vs White
I can’t wait for Dana’s first King rant!
by MusicCityBeatdown on Mar 9, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So there is a wall street group looking to put more money into the sport and stage some big fights? Wow, what a bunch of bastards. And they are using the name value of an established fight promoter (in an advisory role) to spread the word? Vultures, I say.
When will these fools learn that UFC is the only True MMA? Dana is way too much of a name-taking badass to tolerate this agression.
by smoogy on Mar 9, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew you’d misrepresent my argument.
If he wants to give us good fights – which I state he’s capable of doing – by all means. Give us what you got, Don. But if anyone thinks his involvement doesn’t come with a price, you’re dreaming. We’re talking about a guy who has settled numerous fraud complaints from many boxers for fraud, been charged with tax evasion, and is believed by many to have had ties to the mob.
There’s opportunity cost in everything. More fights? Great, but there’s no free lunch here.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 9, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is 2009, not 1989.
not to mention dons how old now? im guessing 80 something. im too lazy to look it up on wiki.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is 76. Probably doesn’t have the energy or time to really mess up MMA like he did with boxing.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol 2nd time someone has said he messed up boxing.
if putting on terriffic stacked cards for decades and raising the bar too high for other promotors to live up to is bad…then yea he was bad for boxing.
as a big boxing fan i want more of don king. i wish he had a stable of fighters he did 5 or 10 years ago.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I’m not defending King’s character. I mean, he has killed people before, literally. But if his role is really as described in the article, as a senior adviser for an investment group, then demonizing the group right out of the gate due to his association just seems glib and sensational. I’m not misrepresenting anything, I just don’t think the melodrama isn’t warranted or accurate. There are no “vultures” circling. DON’T YOU EVER FORGET THAT.
by smoogy on Mar 9, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i met and had dinner with don a few times at rnc events. you’d never know he stomped a dude to death.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brother talked with Suge Knight at a club one time and said he was a nice guy but I don’t think I’d be happy to hear of his invovlement with MMA either.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you know the guy doesn’t mean that people are going trust your opinion of his involvement in this. Heck it adds questions to your objectivity here.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did i say i know him personally? wtf? when? i was at the same dinner table as him twice. big friggin deal.
read what i said about what a great boxing promoter he has been and about how he can be good because he like knows how to promote shows and stuff. unlike the afflictions and elite xc’s of the world.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the one who said you had had dinner with the guy.
Great boxing promoter like Gary Shaw? Promotion experience and fight business connections like Donald Trump? Hell the guy who was running the IFL is the same guy who used to run Showtime’s boxing. It’s not like the sport has been without smart and experienced guys in fight promotion before, we’ve been down this road a number of times already.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gary shaw. just please do not compare shaw to king. there just is none. to put it in mma terms its like comparing the ufc to wargods. its night and day.
and if i remember right, larkin took over a sinking ship. hes not to blame for the ifl.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Shaw promotes main event level boxing cards on HBO and Showtime, he might not be on the level of King but he’s not comparible to the one show joke that was the local event “wargods”. As far as Larkin and the IFL I wasn’t blaming him for their failure I was pointing out that MMA hasn’t had a lack of experienced fight promotion talent trying their hand at it before this. He was an example of the fact that there has been experienced fight promotion talent involved in MMA in the past. King doesn’t offer anything new in that regard.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus the fact that rightly or wrongly I view him as a villain.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gary shaw has promoted 2bit level boxing cards on hbo and showtime with about 5,000 people in a 15,000 seat arenas. don king has promoted the thriller in minilla and packed 125,000 people in mexico for a chavez fight. so there is no comparison in my book. maybe wargods was a low blow, so lets keep it fair and say elite xc to ufc.
my first comment was this isnt a bad thing like everyone is making it out to be. just because larkin and shaw failed miserably doesn’t mean whatever don is going to bring is going to be the same.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that it also doesn’t mean that he is bringing anything new or that he has any better of a chance than those other guys. Hell as was pointed out towards the bottom of the thread this isn’t even King’s first involvement with MMA. He brings a crooked past, a tainted name brand and a history promoting boxing events that has been shown a number of times doesn’t really translate to promoting successful MMA events.
Between King’s past and Ross Mandell’s it would be surprising if MMA fans weren’t worrying about this.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To what extent King’s involved is not clear, but if its more than just a name and a Rolodex, do me a favor and remind me of my melodrama when the first fighter steps forward with charges of malfeasance against King.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 9, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you left off your list convicted murderer
by #5mmafan on Mar 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they need another King?
They already have Dana.
by dignan99 on Mar 9, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Major difference being Dana loves the sport of MMA first. King loves boxing because he can profit off of people at any cost.
by Bigperm on Mar 9, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Key is Showtime
I am pretty sure HBO has seen the great numbers Showtime and CBS have been putting with MMA, and it was only a matter of time until they jumped into the game. Golden Boy has a pretty interesting scenario now though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exposure Matters!
Would that really be so bad? I think any dollars invested in MMA, rather than boxing is a good thing. MMA fans tend to forget the world outside the UFC bubble. The truth is the public doesn’t care the way we do. On ESPN, they announced “and when we get back, RAMPAGE JACKSON!”. They ended up making a 3 second mention where they basically mocked MMA’s legitimacy as a sport. Despite great PPV #‘s, MMA has inexplicably failed to catch the mainstream media’s attention; particularly ESPN. With big names such as Don King—whether his ideas are good or not—-circling around with cash, MMA is sure to get what it needs most: EXPOSURE.
by B. E. Z. on Mar 9, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not inexplicable at all. The sport has been popular for three years, they cover sports that they have a vested interest in or sports that are watched by 10s of millions or sports that have been popular for decades. The old men in charge of the network don’t like it so it doesn’t get time. It’s not really that complicated.
by Michael Rome on Mar 9, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think it might have something to do with the fact that the 800lb Gorilla of the sport, the UFC, has the trappings of pro wrestling in many ways? Between the heavy-handed marketing, the contrived “storylines” and the lack of a model for open competition, I wonder how seriously ESPN takes them.
by smoogy on Mar 9, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No none of that stuff matters at all to ESPN what matters to ESPN is that in most of the other sports they have their hand in the cookie jar too and MMA is the new kid on the block sportswise. Heck I remember watching pro wrestling on ESPN and I remember when “extreme sports” were a joke no one in sports would touch and then they got to the point where ESPN took off with them and never looked back.
The UFC being a 800lb Gorilla in their specific sport isn’t a problem it’s what ESPN is used to working with in other sports the problem is that for 90% of the population and almost everyone over the age of 30 MMA isn’t something they give a crap about.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is any of the stuff you listed different from the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL
by #5mmafan on Mar 9, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, MLB can’t change their playoff structure on a whim in hopes that two particular teams meet in the world series, for starters.
by smoogy on Mar 9, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but they can set up teams strength of schedule to make the paths easier for certain teams.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC models allows us to see Mir/Lesnar 2 happen a few months later. It allows us to see so many match-ups that are made because Zuffa has all the talent under one roof.
What you are saying is that MMA should be closer to a boxing model, which would fail over time. It has been done. It does not work. It is bad for the sport.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in Japan a guy can lose a fight and get a title shot. And MLB is antitrust exempt.
by subo on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, coming from someone who is Japan style MMA’s number one fan, your response is a joke. Do you watch American sports at all? How does what you say apply to only MMA and no other pro sport?
by LiuLang on Mar 9, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, this is not part of it at all, they have desperately tried to bring UFC over away from Spike and weren’t insisting on editorial changes to its structure. It has all to do with the fact that most sportswriters don’t know it or care to know it, and they have no real incentive to start knowing it.
by Michael Rome on Mar 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
additionally, the only time ESPN heavily focuses on MMA is when a pro wrestling character like Brock or Kimbo fight. That is the stuff they want to cover, they are completely uninterested in something like Lyoto Machida v. Rashad Evans, even if that is 1 v. 2 in the world.
by Michael Rome on Mar 9, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you think that is because...
just a lack of interest among general viewership?
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats because the total number of people in this country who have even heard the names Rashad Evans and Lyoto Machida is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 million human beings. and in a country of 300 million+ that is a very small percentage.
by #5mmafan on Mar 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to rethink your numbers. 1 million is a REALLY low estimate.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Mar 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you may want to get out of MMA blogs and websites for a few days. of course an exact number is impossible to pinpoint but NOBODY knows who Lyoto Machida is. go ask some random people find out for yourself, and by random i dont mean your friends or males 18-35 with chain wallets and affliction t-shirts.
by #5mmafan on Mar 10, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall Evans fighting in the Main Event of a PPV that had about a million buys. One million people having heard his name is a comically low estimate.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 10, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i said “heard the names Rashad Evans AND Lyoto Machida” my emphasise was on Lyoto Machida as clearly evident from my earlier reply. also if your refering to UFC 88 i believe it had alot less than 1million buys and he fought against Liddell, arguably the most popular name in MMA.
by #5mmafan on Mar 10, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in that case your question is just stupid, if you wanted to know specifically how many knew Machida by name then you should of just said Machida.
by who me on Mar 10, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to UFC 92.
Also, Machida was prominently featured in the ads for UFC 94.
A lot of people have “heard of” him.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 11, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the number is very low but a lot more than a million people a week watched the season of TUF Rashad won. Telling people to go out and ask random people is really stupid because even if it was 10 million that’s only going to be 3% of the US population. I think we all understand how far out of the mainstream a lot of MMA fighters are but your 1 million estimate for that question seems very low though, particularly when you compare it to what we actually know about the ratings and buyrates.
by who me on Mar 10, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s honestly just overestimating how many people one million really is.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 11, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this might be the dumbest thing ever posted on BE. how can you “overestimate how many people one million really is” if i am not mistaken 1 million people is exactly 1 million people.
by #5mmafan on Mar 11, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that you don’t seem to fully understand that number.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 14, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure about
‘contrived storylines’ and ‘heavy-handed marketing’ . I think the UFC has done a pretty good job all-round to promote the sport of MMA as it should be promoted.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many companies employ light-handed marketing?
by #5mmafan on Mar 10, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesomeness!
“I grew up with karate and judo and all that, but we never had stars. We never had events. Now, look at it. What was it, at the MGM (Grand Garden Arena) in January? [The UFC] grossed $110 million. I think 1.4 million people hit pay-per-view for $55 an event. It’s huge.”
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of hilarious business logic. The whole public aspect is doomed, but if they want to pour money in and give us good fights, go for it. This assumption that since the UFC did it anyone can has been disaster for everyone.
by Michael Rome on Mar 9, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More...Interesting Stuff...
HBO had been close to a deal to air MMA in the past. One such potential came with the UFC in early 2007, but differences over creative control, including the selection of the production team and announcing crew for the event broadcasts, prevented an agreement from being finalized. The network’s relationship with the sport has been hot and cold since the terminated deal. HBO’s own lead boxing analysts, Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant, have made repeated derogatory statements on air regarding the lack of technical prowess in MMA.
Although King has been publicly critical of MMA in the past, Weneck said the long-term health of the sport was important to the members of the new partnership.
“It’s got to be with the right people,” Weneck said. “A lot of people went in and were just fast-buck artists. You’ve got to have the right people behind it [who] really are in for the long haul and will pay to get the right people and give these kids a chance. This is the opportunity.”
The new promotion plans on promoting bouts in multiple weight classes with both male and female fighters.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That part of the article is just downright wrong.
They were never that close to getting on HBO. Nobody at HBO right now wants MMA on their station. Discussions occured, but lets not kid ourselves. MMA really had no chance of getting on the network.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It did at one point, it was pretty close, since there was an HBO insider who liked MMA.
Sadly, he was the only one and was then pushed out.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
mma doesn’t need hbo and vice versa.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the fight game, HBO is a pretty big deal.
I think it will eventually happen since Money talks, and you can only deny making more money for so long.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that HBO and Showtime will be losing revenues over the next two years as people cut back their cable packages. They won’t have the ability to spend money on MMA. And there is little revenues available for the sport outside of the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA fans don’t cut back, which is the crazy part. During a recession, I don’t think it is smart to buy a PPV every month, but MMA fans are like a druggy hooked on crack, even if they are out of a job, they will try to find some way to still pay for it.
This is seen as a good thing in a recession, and they probably think there subscription rates will raise. It did for Showtime, which is how EliteXC got on CBS.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA fans haven’t cut back yet but that doesn’t mean they won’t. Recession resistant doesn’t mean recession proof, particularly if things keep getting worse.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought so too, but I still see MMA fans saying they buy every UFC PPV, which I think is crazy! I assume most MMA fans live at home with their parents (preferably a basement) and don’t pay rent!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got the wrong stereotype, MMA fans would be the villians in a Revenge of the Nerds movie not the heroes.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HBO has nothing to do with MMA fans cutting back. It has to do with everybody cutting back, which means HBO has less for the budget.
I predicted that MMA PPV’s would go up about 6 months ago. Same thing happens with movies during a recession. Less vacations, but people still want to be entertained.
However, cable TV does not follow that model. There will be less people paying for cable, and this will effect the premium channels.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE wasn’t pushed out. He had some issues with a lady in Vegas.
And even this guy wanted to treat MMA second rate. Put it on late at night like at midnight.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 9, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Always Said That MMA Will Become Huge In American When Pro Wrestling and Boxing Jump In
Brock Lesnar is the UFC Champ, More Pro Wrestlers Coming, Mercer and Rahman fighting in MMA, Golden Boy in MMA, now DKP in MMA…hmmm.
My perfect storm is almost complete!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 9, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your perfect storm involved the UFC breaking the one year PPV record, EXC failing and Affliction bleeding money? Me too!
by subo on Mar 10, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont you go over exaggerating or anything.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for policing the thread
Guy who alleges to have had dinner with Don King.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for your thought worthy reply to my sarcasm…guy who thinks i would lie about having dinner with someone…guy.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are definitely policing the thread a bit with your pro-DonKing-ness.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. i police thee thread buy thinking something good might happen buy mma having more investors and the greatest promoter of all time helping and advising.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s where we disagree see…..most people think Don King is the last thing MMA needs. And would attribute some portion of the blame of the decay of boxing to him (among others….)
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, what im saying is don king had nothing to do with this so called “decay of boxing”
one, i never knew boxing was decaying and two, people who are/have (again this is news to me and ive followed boxing religiously all my life) said hes responsible, i can safely say know nothing about boxing.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long have you been a boxing fan?
the fact that prettty much no one knows who the HW champ of the world is right now….is testament to the fact that the number of people who give a crap about boxing has definitely declined….
I’m not even going to argue this with you….
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol ok.
i’m 28. ive followed boxing as long as i can remember. collected old fight tapes, ring mags, ko mag, etc.
just because someone (you, perhaps) don’t know who the heavyweight champion is doesn’t mean boxing is decaying.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right...i don't know who the champ is. enlighten me.
the fact that boxing isn’t what it was in the 90s isn’t something I’m going to debate with you. If you really don’t think boxing is decaying go write a fanpost about it or something and take a look at the response you get.
wlad is arguably the no1 HW right now…but …there hasn’t been a clear champ since Lewis retired.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yea….i’m going to write a fan post about the state of boxing on an mma board, to mma fans, most of which hate boxing for whatever reason. that would be smart.
does the ufc have a clear heavyweight champ? no. what about that dude named fedor whos the best in the world. see where im getting at?
that ish kinda happens when champs retire. takes some time.
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boxing has many problems
I like boxing but it has huge problems with promotoers, sanctioning bodies and aging superstars. There isn’t really anyone to replace DLH and Mayweather.
Although the UK, European and Russian boxnig markets are still doing well, the U.S. is where the money is at and where boxing is slowly decaying.
http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/boxings-dibella-on-boxing-vs-mma/
by rainmaker6 on Mar 10, 2009 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's "by"
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by sonofapsycho on Mar 9, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just ban me?
Tell Don I said hello.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel bad for these wall street investors they will learn in this country MMA is not popular, it is the UFC and its look, style, “contrived storylines”, Dana White, and everything that is the UFC. if the main people running the UFC ever retire or lose touch with their audience then a competitor may have an opening. but until then its just more money down the drain.
by #5mmafan on Mar 9, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure King will be dead before he ever makes as much of an impact in MMA as this article would lead you to believe.
by Bigperm on Mar 9, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No single name in the modern history of professional sports has been associated more with corruption than Don King, hell he has become the stereotype movies and tv use when they want to present a crooked fight promoter. A lot of people talk about the need for the Muhammad Ali act in MMA well Don King was one of the main reasons the law was needed in boxing to start with. Yea he might bring money and connections(although his influence has faded) to the sport but MMA is a sport that already struggles with public perception problems and King’s involvement will just make that even worse. Investors bringing new money into the sport is a great thing but I do have to wonder why legitimate investors would want to associate a legitimate company with Don King and I also wonder what impression his involvement would have on the general public’s perception of the sport.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys reading too much into Don King’s involvement. He’s being brought in as a senior adviser. Probably means they are using him for logistical information like event planing, dealing with cable providers, etc. I bet King doesn’t know one iota how to promote MMA and this group isn’t interested in asking him.
by bignerd on Mar 9, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When has Don King ever taken a back seat on anything he has been involved with? We don’t know exactly what his involvement will be but we do know what his history is. It also should be pointed out that the public’s perception of his involvement will be just as important as what his actual involvement is when it comes to what it does to their opinion of the sport’s credibility and legality.
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want this to fail
I am all for smaller organizations, newcomers and against MMA monopoly. However, I want this venture to fail.
We don’t need King’s stain on this sport.
by cyke on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sans king
I’d be a great deal more positive about this. And if its just King’s name and the Rolodex I mentioned earlier, his involvement is not a serious concern (I think). The crux of the issue will be to what extent this is or isn’t King’s operation. I look forward to finding out.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 9, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ross Mandell’s involvement in this should also be something that get people’s attention but most people don’t know who he is. He’s worth a google.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/1003/062.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06334/742472-28.stm
http://wallstfolly.typepad.com/wallstfolly/2006/11/new_york_broker.html
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely
What is it about the fight game that attracts shady figures? (rhetorical)
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RHM Productions plans to use Mandell’s past success on Wall Street as a means to establish the new promotion as a publicly traded entity.
Mandell’s past record was testament to how troubled brokers could stay in the industry. From 1983 through this year Mandell has worked at 14 brokerages and owned or partially owned 2 of them. Twelve of them ultimately went out of business or were taken over, many amid a swirl of regulatory and investor complaints, including D.H. Blair and D. Blech & Co. According to Mandell’s employment record, on file at the NASD, through the mid-1990s he and his employers paid $400,000 in ten arbitration awards and settlements to customers, in which he and the firms were accused of doing unauthorized trading, among other things. NASD records show Mandell agreed to pay $100,000 of that total (he claims it was less).
by who me on Mar 9, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread is hilarious
It’s a tale of the usual suspects saying “Don King is only an advisor” while others are bracing for the sky to fall. We don’t know the extent of King’s involvement. We don’t even know if whatever this is even sees the light of day. Let’s maybe stop acting as though there is a Don King MMA event on HBO this Saturday. I’m reserving all judgment until I see something concrete emerge.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can reserve judgment
But I’m definitely with the guys who don’t want Don King involved at all. I’m all for new promotions, new talent, more fights. But I just dislike Don King immensely. I think he was bad for boxing and he’s going to be bad for MMA. He might be good at what he does (making money for himself…via exploiting young, impressionable but talented fighters) but I think he’s a ‘bad’ person.
On the otherhadn – although Dana can be a douche at times and makes some dumbass decisions at atimes (as everyone does….) his heart is probably in the right place and he really does love the sport. Same for the Lorenzo – despite whatever busienss practices he uses in relation to casinos.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Because Don King got a pretty hefty paycheck to put his face on a really shitty boxing video game last year, and the video game industry hasn’t collapsed.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that relevant?
I’m not reading anythinf I posted that says Don King collapsed boxing singlehandedly. All I said is that his heart isn’t in the right place….
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% relevant
You said you don’t care to what extent King is involved. I made a very obvious point.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 9, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
I said I don’t want Don King involved at all. I’m still not following.
What is your point – just because he’s (in)famous and attracts dosh…
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
You said you don’t want him involved in any capacity. I posed the possibility that he could have so little involvement as to borrow his likeness to the promotion. I’m not going to explain this again.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh
Which I gather but you’re missing the point. It’s not just that Don King is bad himself. He also brings a bad name. A taint that MMA at this point can do without.
I don’t want him, his likeness or anything else anywhere near MMA.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 10, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 10, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
If anyone can be bothered – do a fanpost or link to the fightlinker article about Mercer/Sylvia vs Lashlay/Shamrock. Hilarious. And MMABay have taken it as news. Lolz
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“I laughed at the beginning of Bambi and Frank cried like a rape victim”
That was an amazing article.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Mar 10, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least MMAbay gave Fightlinker credit for the story :D
by who me on Mar 10, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rememer Don King Productions’ first foray into promoting MMA?
The Vengeance FC card in North Carolina last September.
It sounded like DK really just put his name on it and made some commercials (waving flags around, natch), but it’s funny that many people in attendance thought the Kerr-Monson main event was worked. Maybe funny isn’t the word…
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 9, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don King is barely relevant in boxing today. Why would his involvement in MMA be any more significant?
by boxingstudent on Mar 9, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because he is considered by some people (first and foremost) to be tainted with unethical business practices. MMA is still trying to gain mainstream acceptance and we’d like for ‘shady’ characters like DK just to stay the fuck away.
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say
(first and foremost myself)*
by rainmaker6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when the sport of MMA is still reeling from the last shady personality to get involved (Shaw).
by Benicio on Mar 9, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bit off topic, but the fact that “Wall Street Investors” would get into bed with an abject snake and thief like King, just shows why the economy went to s**t. They’re not nearly as intelligent as their ivy league business degrees must make them think that they are. it’s laughable….it’s not like he has a track record of DECADES of blatant thievery from anyone and everyone involved with him, it’s not like he’s literally killed anyone….Oh, Wait….that’s right. he has. ’nuff said.
Gatti.
Dekkers.
Pele.
Tadahiro Nomura.
Hidehiko Yoshida.
Aoki.
Kang.
Vanderlei.
by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you do a bit of digging on the “Wall Street investor” behind all this it makes sense why he would want to work with Don King, his past record on Wall Street is pretty scary in it’s own right.
by who me on Mar 10, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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