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Best Friends Shouldn't Call Each Other's Fights

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When I covered the EliteXC show in Stockton for Bloody Elbow, a best friend of one of the fighters on the main card sat next to me to watch it.  When that fighter lost, said best friend completely burst into tears.  Watching friends fight is often tougher than actually fighting yourself.

I understand why Rashad Evans did commentary tonight, but the result was a disgrace.  What he did can't even be considered commentary, it was cheerleading.  You'd think watching round 1 that Jardine dominated the round, but if you watch it with sound off it is a much different picture.  Rashad even tried to suggest Jardine won round two.  At the end of the third round, he was just completely distraught that Jardine was knocked down.  Rogan's solemn concession that the clean knockdown might have sealed it bordered on parody.

Nobody can blame Rashad for going through these emotions while watching one of his best friends fight.  However, he had no business on commentary with such a clear bias.  He also influenced Rogan and Goldberg, who focused the entire time on Jardine's offense.

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I think Rashad did a pretty good job commentating. Of course he is going to try and promote his buddy. Having Rashad commenting made this fight even that more interesting.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought that Rashad commentating on Jardine’s fight was the equivalent of Bloody Elbow writing stories about the UWC. As long as everybody is clear and upfront about the bias and the conflict of interest, then no harm no foul.

by Jahbulon on Mar 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^ this saved me time

by subo on Mar 8, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Bloody Elbow wasn’t saying completely biased, clearly untrue stuff about UWC as Rashad was overselling Jardine’s performance.

by ufc4 on Mar 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say it again..

Rashad’s job was not to be unbiased in how he called the fight. They asked him to do guest commentary on the fight…they knew what the tone would be

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re missing the point though.

It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t his job to be unbiased. It’s the UFC’s job to provide fair commentary that accurately reflects what is happening in a fight, and if in this situation Rashad can’t do it he shouldn’t be commenting. I can’t tell you the number of strikes Quinton landed that were never called, this was the Jardine show on color.

It is the UFC’s fault, not Rashad’s. Also Joe and MIke’s fault for not recognizing the bias and trying to make up for it.

by Michael Rome on Mar 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that...

but I’ve never had problem with a biased “guest commentator” being brought in. Sure Joe and Mike should have done their job better…but that’s pretty much every show. I don’t blame the UFC as it made sense to me to have him on there calling a fight between his best friend and a guy who would be his opponent who he would likely be facing if he beat said best friend.

Like I said…Dana calling Chuck/Rampage at FC ’03 was the same thing.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed…and I found that pretty annoying.

by Michael Rome on Mar 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, LT did say Britt vs. Patterson was for the future of the 205lbs division… I think that counts.

by smoogy on Mar 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Jardine some credit

he was frustrating Rampage andeven had him against the cage in a very bad position (almost droped him)

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No he didn't

I’m actually inclined to believe after the first round Rampage carried Jardine to get a little full speed experience. Not that he needs it but he hasn’t been in the cage for more than a minute in almost a year until last night. He looked a little rusty in the first and nervous about how his legendary chin was gonna hold up. As soon as he got popped by Jardine that look changed into, ok he can’t hurt me, now its sparring time. What he did at the end of the fight he really could have done at any point.

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 8, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course thats just my opinion

But Jardine may have hit him square to the head with his fists once in the entire fight and that came in the first. When Rampage was against the cage almost everything Jardine threw at him was being blocked off his arms. After that it was ALL Rampage and he was just getting experience till crunch time then he went to Jardine’s weakness – Bullrushing him and overpowering him in close.

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 8, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong!

First, and most importantly, there was disclosure. Rogan and Goldie made it very clear that Evans was a team mate and friend of Jardine. If there had been no disclosure, you might have had a point.

Second, Evans was actually pretty on the mark with his commentary. Without the final knockdown, I could easily see scoring this one for Jardine. Evans agreed with this. Jardine was more agressive and landed more strikes. Rampage was more accurate and got a couple of take downs. Save for the last knock down, a very close fight.

Lastly, the ufc is trying to build Rashad up. Good business call as well.

by pwdminotauro on Mar 8, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand why you think I am wrong sounds to me you are agreeing with me. This was a fight that was very hard to judge. JArdine surprised a lot of people by showing his heart. Rampage looked good but he doesn’t really mix it up with his attacks.
 
I think having only three rounds sucked. Blue balls…blue balls

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't reply to you

…so I don’t think he said you were wrong.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you really need to learn how to reply to others and know when others are not replying to your post specifically that they are not…replying to your post.

by Bigperm on Mar 8, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh crap.

Sorry everyone, I feel like a noob.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have a transcript of the shit talking between Rashad and Rampage at the end?

Some people I was with were laughing so hard at things Rampage was saying I missed half of it.

Rashad was mumbling and a low talker as a commentator so I did not hear most of the things he said, but the things I did hear were ridiculous.

“Me and Keith are gonna go to Sonic after this and share some ice cream.”

“Keith definitely won rounds 1 2 and 3!”

Ok he didnt say exactly that, and I am all favor of having guest fighters for announcers, however the bias was a tad disgusting, and plays into the argument of the “MMA Broadcast model” that was posted on BE a few days ago.

I hope at UFC 97 they can get Couture or Kenflo back as the third guy again, they always did the best job. Or even Mir, since Pulver is apparently doing WEC now.

by DirtyML on Mar 8, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah can enyone post a link of the trash talking? I watched the fight online and the video cut out just after the end of the 3rd.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rogan and Goldie do a fine job. They have really perfected the art. Rogan is very insightful on the sport, and I think he is probably a bad ass fighter (in the closet) and nobody really knows it. Goldie is kind of annoying the way he dumbs it down but you need a guy like him to pitch the sponsors names. He really is more knowlegeble than he lets on.

As far as ken-flo and couture as commentors, they do a good job but dont really add that much insight beyond Rogans commentating.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a shame they wont let Pulver do UFC fights. with a little polish he would be a good one.

by Riney on Mar 8, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think your off base on this one. the viewing audience clearly was aware of the Jardine-Evans connection. they were commentating a fight, not delievering news with sometype of journalistic integrity being threatened.

by #5mmafan on Mar 8, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The commentary during the main event just sounded unprofessional. I have never thought that before about any other fight.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 8, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right on. The bias was absolutely horrible. Rashad’s commentary was very boring. Just because someone is “well spoken” doesn’t mean they are entertaining to listen to.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 8, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Rashad but thought that him commentating on this fight was the dumbest thing UFC could possibly do. Pure biased. Really pissed me off…

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Mar 8, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rashad came across really strange when he and Page were promoting their fight. i thought Page was hilarious while Rashad kept cursing the whole time and generally repeating this line “I’m gonna fuck you up”. Dude..how about trying to be a bit more creative with your trash talking? ’

the crowd clearly thought the same as they unleashed boos on him as he walked out of the octagon while Page got cheers.

by Bigperm on Mar 8, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Rashad is not a very good actor.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Rashad just goes over better in Ohio than Rampage does. Tito = worst trash talk I ever heard… boy (Shammy’s a close second)

by subo on Mar 8, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh...

I’ve watched the fight 4 times now, the last 3 times with the sound off and I still score 1 for Jardine, 2 for Jackson and 3 I have Jardine VERY narrowly ahead going into the last few second when the knockdown seals the round and fight for Jackson.

I don’t mind the personal aspect of a guy calling his teammate’s fight at all. Of course he’s going to have a personal bias but I like it…it’s a different “feeling” for the fight.

Maybe I just remember things like Dana calling Chuck/Rampage at FC ‘03 and while, yeah, he is a little less boring than quiet Rashad was…I don’t mind that at all. It was made clear that Rashad would have that bias when they kept talking to him about Jardine being his teammate..etc.

I’m just not seeing the outrage here

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rampage vs. Sugar

This fight reminds me of Ali vs. Frazier. Rampage seemed befuddled as to why Rashad would “get into my face like that”.

by Bandaka on Mar 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana going from “he is well prepared for this” to “he’s not doing the stuff we worked on” to “Chuck is hurt, something is wrong” is one of the great guest calls in MMA history

by smoogy on Mar 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with you totally brent..

i dont get where the outrage is coming from.. even without sound i think that it was a really close fight.. I had jardine winning the first, rampage on the 2nd, and a really close 3rd round. but if the knockdown didnt happen, i’d maybe give the slight advantage to jardine.. And the judges thought so too. I read somewhere that one judge came up to jardine and said that he had the fight won, until the last 10 seconds..
So to say that:

that the clean knockdown might have sealed it bordered on parody

is really off.

and about the commentary, i really dont have a problem with it, when he started, we all knew he would be a bit biased, but it was nice/refreshing to hear something from the point of view of a teamate.. Plus him talking there just adds hype to the upcoming match with rampage.. Evans isnt as marketable as guys like forrest or chuck, so i think this was a really good move by the ufc..

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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 8, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was more the tone, Joe sounded distraught. Oh gosh, that might have sealed it. Throughout the entire fight, Jackson’s jabs were ignored, the fact that his shots did far more damage than anything Jardine landed was ignored. When Jardine through a kick and Jackson answered, it was “nice kick by Jardine.” Jardine was throwing weak kicks, never committed to them for fear of getting knocked out. You can even see in the post fight, Jardine is completely busted up and Jackson looks like he just had a nice pickup basketball game.

by Michael Rome on Mar 9, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so how'd you score the fight?

i agree with those things you said about jackson giving more damage, etc.. that’s why i think he won the last two rounds..

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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 9, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREE 100%

I hate evans even more now, his commentary was a disgrace and as rightly pointed out he did influence rogan and goldie from calling the fight as it was. Evans is full of himself and needs to be brought down a notch, he is not a fan favourite, not a fighter you want to watch, hope he gets knocked the F**K OUT!!!

by eirehandgrenade on Mar 8, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t have a problem with Rashad guest commenting on fights. I’d stop short of calling the result in question a “disgrace.” It was just unappealing to me. Fighters who are able to somewhat articulately analyze the fight – before, during, and after – can add a lot to a broadcast and break the sort of predictable nature built by Rogan and Goldie.

Rashad was really put in a bad spot, because I believe he can offer a lot more if he doesn’t have the emotional weight of a friend fighting affecting what he says.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 8, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, It was pissing me off too.

I think Rashard is classy and articulate but friends have no business commentating on fights especially if Joe and Mike are not going to question anything they say. In the third, Jardine was leading with his face and getting smacked hard everytime he legkicked and should have been losing even without the knockdown at the end. This still not as bad as Yves Saint-Le-Can’t Make Up My Mind with his Ed Hochiuli impersonation – how do you stop the fight and say, no, no you’re right you’re okay, you let me know when you’re out. If Sell came back to win, what a mess.

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Mar 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a pretty interesting perspective to have a fighter’s teammate in the booth, actually. Even though he was going to be biased towards Keith, I thought it was cool how he was able to break down Keith’s game plan and say things like “Now it’s round 2, he is going to start using the leg kicks more” or other insights that you might only know from training with him.

For this fight, they can just have KJ in the booth on one side and put Kongo on the other side, that way it is fair.

by xDieseLx on Mar 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree the commentating was bias on the part of Rashad. I also agree for most of the time his voice was way too low and monotone, but towards the end got louder and more dynamic. I don’t like the scenario in which he was commentating based on his best friend fighting his potential opponent.
Rashad was quickly becoming one of my favorite fighters but the post fight antics really turned me off about him. Along those lines, why did everyone make a fuss about the train wreck of the War of the Gods (or whatever the name of that Shamrock promoted show was) for having these type of antics, yet nothing is said about the UFC doing the same thing. Granted, the other show was levels worse than last night but hell Rampage even dropped the mic and bailed…

by Fight Genius on Mar 8, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

People are getting used to the kayfabe crap in the UFC I think.

by smoogy on Mar 8, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh that's nothing

If you want to see blatant bias, check out MMAWeekly’s top ten rankings. Aoki is now #1 in lightweight because BJ Penn lost a welterweight championship fight against the #1 welterweight in the world.

Good thing their news reporting is solid.

by cyph on Mar 8, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I hear one more thing about Jardines awkward style while he is getting punched in the face…..

I also like they mentioned how on dimensional rampage’s striking was… as he was taking jardine down and throwing kicks.

by dbcb on Mar 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree 1000 percent it was border line disgusting how biased rashad was during the commentary. I mean I understand the relationship between jardine and rashad but come on show a little class and be unbiased. It was painful to listen to. After this fight I hope ramapage cleans rashads clock. I never disliked rashad, but now I officialy dont like him. I can’t belive what a punk he acted like after fight.

by mlzybaby on Mar 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

guys..

for the love of god he was NOT SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED! The point of having him there was to have the champion calling a fight involving his friend and (possibly) his next opponent.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is an excuse for previous Rashad hatred.

by subo on Mar 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really does...

seem to be validation and an excuse to “express” prior feelings a bit more

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because the guy wasn’t supposed to be unbiased doesn’t make his commentary any less annoying. You can be truthful and biased at the same time.

by ufc4 on Mar 8, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with everyone being..

all up in arms over the Rashad/Rampage confrontation following the fight…

As long as they were similarly up in arms over the Rampage/Wanderlei confrontation in the ring after ’Page’s fight back in PRIDE

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In case anyone forgot

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least PRIDE made something of an attempt to make the angles look real. They didn’t have Joe Rogan holding a mic between the two of them with a huge grin on his face, for one.

I’m not up in arms over anything, but that staredown angle after the fight was just silly and contrived.

by smoogy on Mar 8, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely it was...

it felt very “go out there and really sell this!”

But what I don’t get are the people that are acting like somehow now Rashad deserves to be buried as a dickhead for engaging in this when it is just a part of the sport.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think people are down on Rashad specifically for this, I think it’s his general attitude and the fact that he seems to like to show up his opponents. The guy seems to have an arrogance about him that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

by ufc4 on Mar 9, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that before

I really didn’t have a problem with him commentating the fight.

HOWEVER FOR FUTURE USE UFC. If you can pick somebody that has lost to both fighters.

Having Chuck commentate the fight would have been MUCH MUCH MUUUUUCCCHHHH better.

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 9, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well at least Rashad’s bias was known/expected/disclosed…unlike some of the loverboy bias Goldie and Rogan tend to get on. The way they announce some fights you’d think one guy was murdering the other when its actually WAY closer than they’re letting on.

People need to relax – Rashad was the 3rd guy there for color commentary and he had two other “neutral” announcers to set it straight if he was getting out of hand.

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by The_Gaijin on Mar 8, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reading all the comments thus far, I find that bias wasn’t the problem per se. My problem is derived from the product of said bias. I just didn’t care to hear the emotional upheaval and subsequent spin in favor of Jardine. It just didn’t add much information to the telecast, in my opinion. Furthermore, Rashad’s presence as Jardine’s friend probably affected how Rogan and Goldie called the match.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 8, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, the way they were talking you’d have thought Jardine would win a UD with scores of 30-24 on all cards.

by ufc4 on Mar 8, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Be Up in Arms is a Bit Much

 I can’t believe people would hate Rashard for getting in Rampage’s face (I’m sure Dana or some UFC official told him to do that.) Its called promoting a fight. Has anyone ever seen a weigh-in before? It was very tame and comical in fact because they are both nice guys – “gonna be some black on black crime.” The commentating might have seemed annoying maybe but it is entertainment. I think Rashard did provide some insight and you would expect him to build up Jardine. My only problem is that Joe and Mike went out of their way not to step on his toes or question his clearly bias assertions.

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Mar 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the by

the black on black crime thing is totally recycled from at least one of Rampage’s previous fights…that being against Eastman. And I THINK he used it against Randleman as well

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My dad uses it to describe basketball -_-

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Page said

MORE Black on Black crime. I don’t think he tried to pawn it off as new.

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 9, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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