Quote of the Day: Jackson's Training Camp for Forrest Griffin Was the "Worst Ever"
by Michael Rome on Mar 6, 2009 8:44 AM EST
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Ibarra said Jackson’s training camp in Big Bear, Calif., before the Griffin fight was the "worst ever," though he didn’t want to dredge up painful details. But he did say it was difficult to get Jackson to work.
"Do you know how hard it is to get a 200-some-pound adult man out of bed and drag him out so he gets out and does his work and trains?"
Juanito Ibarra, breaking radio silence on Quinton Jackson.
The entire article linked above is very interesting, though I always caution taking tales from teammates and friends of fighters with a grain of salt. If all this is true, the amount Rampage accomplished without training hard is astounding, and he may be a force to be reckoned with now that he is training hard. On the other hand, we have heard this story before over and over from fighters in the past, including Quinton Jackson himself.
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Rampage has never eaten a vitamin til his camp for the third silva fight…
Imagine trying to train 5-6 days a week 4-5 hours per day on mcdonalds.
Now he’s drinking the pre and post workout shakes, and taking the proper supplements so his body can rejuvenate and recover the optimal way. It’s gonna be scary.
Not that most of us know him, but you can tell just in interviews that he’s different. Rampage was always a pretty well humored person, but he always made comments about just wanting to get paid and fighting was about the money. His last couple fights, I don’t think I’ve heard him mention it once. It’s all about hte fight and winning. Pretty impressive.
Vitamins! Big freaking deal?
Your telling me some protein shakes are going to really make a difference? I agree that diet is important but all these shakes and vitamins crap dont reallly work. If you want a real good post recovery drink, drink some chocolate milk. If you want your vitamins, eat fruits and vegetables.
Man, I hope this was some terrible attempt at humor. Otherwise, you don’t really understand nutrition and the benefits of eating well while competing at his level. I expected more from someone with an Astro Boy display pic.
Read this...
Then you will understnd it is just all a bunch of bullshit from the supplement companies trying to rip you off. All the nutrition a fighter need can be found in good food. Supplements are retarted, they are the reason sean Sherk lost his belt.
Sherk lost his belt because he didn’t beat BJ Penn. That was the true unification fight.
Supplements allow Sherk to work out with the insane intensity he does, and be able to recover for the next workout and the next day of killer workouts.
Supplements are just that: supplements. They don’t replace eating good, clean food, they add to it.
I stand by supplements
Protein, Creatine, multivitamins, a crap-ton of water.
I mean, if you want some free tix to the gun show…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
“Ohh, it’s the deep burn. Oh, it’s so deep. Oh, I can barely lift my right arm ‘cause I did so many. I don’t know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand.”
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
:)
Seriously though I do stand by taking supplements.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
“You have your ubulus muscle that connects to the upper dorsimus.”
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Mar 6, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
“Don’t act like your not impressed.”
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
“It’s actually an optical illusion. It’s the pattern on the pants.”
Yeah, who got the final Death Blow? 'Cause I thought that Hawaiian guy had it comin' to him. - C. K.
by monkeyfightclub! on Mar 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Please go and visit any top athlete and see if they get their nutrients from “food, fruits and Vegies”
These arent geeks reading magazines and hanging out at the local gyms who are just being fooled by commercials…
They hire top trainers whose sole purpose is to identify and maximize the bodies output.
There was a study done where to get the same amount of iron from spinach TODAY as you would 40 years ago – you would have to eat about 40 times as much.
This is why you you can’t get nutrition just on “food” but have to supplement… This is why every top athlete takes the right supplements.
Go try to train hard for only 2 hours per day 5 days a week with a diet of just “food” and lets see how long you last.
by mmalogic on Mar 6, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No shit.
creatine, BCAA, fish oil, good multi vitamin and mineral, vitamin c, and many more should be staple for anyone that is training hard (weightlifiting, sports, ect) and wants to maximize performance.
The Dr’s, geeks, 145lb bitches, ect don’t know wtf they are talking about
The dude has some crazy genetics to have such a poor work ethic and still be in the shape he is in.
by cauliflower_ears on Mar 6, 2009 4:35 AM EST reply actions
Based on some of the comments in that article
He’s probably lucky his career wasn’t ended in some of those Pride fights.
You’ve got to love his sense of humor though.
I really thought he was in trouble when he was walking out before the Wandy fight this past Dec. He just looked troubled. I was suprised he was able to get the KO. Maybe he is a changed guy.
I saw it just the opposite, and echo the sentiments of those above who can tell the change in Rampage to a more serious competitor. Rampage was the epitome of focus for the 3rd Wandy fight. And given the brutality in how he lost the previous 2 fights (even though he did well until the end of both), he had to be focused. No howling, no trash talk or posturing, just a single-mindedness to exact his revenge. He did that, and then some.
And yes, Michael Rome, Rampage’s power in his left hook was astounding. That shot would’ve dropped a rhino.
His style has changed.
He has gone from a wrestling style to a sloppy boxing style. Good technical counter is Rampage’s kryptonite, Forrest was an example of that. I think Machida will really frustrate Rampage.
Sloppy boxing?
Dat boy’s got some tight, tight punches.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Sloppy boxing???
he started out as a wrestler with some sloppy boxing. Now his hands are great. Chin always tucked, smooth combo’s, puts his weight behind his punches, good head movement, keeps his hands high… Sounds like Solid boxing to me, maybe there’s something you know that I don’t… but I doubt that.
Forest used his length and stood busy, outside of the leg kicks, forest wasn’t doing too much on the feet. The leg kicks were great, but forest was DEF outboxed by a far superior boxer.
If anything I think jackson gave forest too much respect and paid for it by eating like kicks, he should have swarmed forrest early.
Rampage is the shit dont get me wrong.
Has enyone ever seen him on Fight Science? They were testing punching power from various athletes and Rampage hasd the strongest shot.
yeah but
you referenced his boxing as sloppy. His boxing is pro level. Juanito Ibarra (who is a great boxing coach) honed his hands well. Page def had pro level boxing. Maybe not elite but I’m sure he’d be no scrub in the squared circle.
Yeah, he’s a great pocket counter puncher but he’s def not a pro level boxer. You’re right, he’s not one to mix up his strikes with jabs, etc. Just strong effective counter blasts.
This is
MMA.. easiest way to throw big shots and avoid the takedown are the short hooks he throws, i promise you after years of training with juanito he has alot more strikes to his repertoire. I’m also focusing on his movement, head movement and how he carries his hands. he also finds good angles to throw from, he’s not dropping wild bombs.
MMA.. easiest way to throw big shots and avoid the takedown are the short hooks he throws, i promise you after years of training with juanito he has alot more strikes to his repertoire. I’m also focusing on his movement, head movement and how he carries his hands. he also finds good angles to throw from, he’s not dropping wild bombs.But look at the former pro boxers in mma and tell me you think their striking is superior to jacksons (i.e. marcus davis, chris lytle). I think he is fundamentally as good as either of the aforementioned.
..And I still think he won that Forrest fight. He def did more damage to Forrest in the end. If they fought again I think forrest would get KO’d in the 1st.
Yes
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
seconded
either a draw or scored for page… either way i see how it could be scored for forest, but I didn’t have it that way. The point is for anyone to suggest his boxing is anything short of crisp is outrageous. If I didn’t know his bio I would think he was an accomplished boxer before comming to the UFC.
"Damage" =/= 10 pt. must
The “damage” principle isn’t really how you score under unified rules. You can score damage done round to round, not from the start of the fight to the end. If it was PRIDE rules, he probably would have won it outright. But because each round is scored on its own, you have problems when you try to equate the outcome with accumulated damage.
I am the bastard love child of Junie Browning and Diamond Dave Kaplan.
Probably didn't feel so look so bad in the reflection of the Championship belt...
Regardless, facial damage isn’t the only kind of damage that goes on, just the most visual.
Taking that as the only measure of damage is like ignoring the ground game because stand up is more flashy.
Look at the post fight interview. The boo birds were out in full force. He knows he didnt win and the fans know he didn’t win.
*Forrest after getting booed
“Hey, HEY, what? WHAT? Hey I wanna thank Quinton Jackson. I think that was pretty close, and I don’t want to… cause he hits too fuckin hard but I think we’re gonna have to do that again. And that sucks for me.”
Sounds like Forrest didn’t even think he really won. Definately didnt take that belt from Rampage *convincingly.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 6, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Applying some MMA Logic there I think.
He took the belt, end of story…convincingly or not.
That fight is EXACTLY why a top fighter should always want to finish a fight. Enough of the judges thought Forrest scored more points and therefore won the fight.
All the shit-house score carding in the world won’t change that.
by Razreshat on Mar 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have always felt that “the challenger should take the belt from the champion” is nonsense. You leave the damn belt outside the arena when you fight, the winner can pick it up when it is over.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 6, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I want to see him return to his slamming days. Hopefully we will see a slam this weekend. As for Ibbara, he is done, his fiffteen minutes of fame are over.
now there
is a statement I can agree with.
yeah ibbara… it was a shame it worked out like it did.
But I would love to see some greco-ish suplexes. I def miss that aspect of his game, and I hope he brings it back soon. Since he’s now training in Europe I would hope that his team would bring is some European wrestlers… it makes sense to me anyway.
Good thing you don't have to worry about it anymore,
huh Juanito?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions
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