Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Demian Maia Pulls Half Guard on Nate Quarry, Starts a Dogfight
This has been the most tortuous and long-delayed Judo Chop yet. When I saw Demian Maia take down Nate Quarry at UFC 91, I knew immediately that I would have to write about it. Almost four months later I'm finally getting down to it.
We've been delayed by legal threats, gif-making troubles and most of all by the fact that I had no understanding of what Maia was doing. Reading Eddie Bravo's Mastering the Rubber Guard explained what I was seeing.
First off, the gif on the right is possibly the least cool part of the move but the gif of the whole sequence is way too big to post on the home page so I chose the culmination of the move: the take down.
But the cool part of the move was the way Maia pulled half-guard on Nate Quarry, entangled his legs, got up on his feet, fended off Quarry's whizzer and ended up on top. It was like Maia was some sort of human superglue, all he needed was a brief contact to ensnare Quarry in a fatal grappling bout. There are more gifs in the full entry so you can see for yourself.
What reading Eddie Bravo's book explained to me -- and let me say that my guess is that Maia developed this move entirely independent of Bravo -- was the way Maia did it.
First off he shoots in, gets stuffed by Quarry. Quarry did everything right, slid his hips back and got double underhooks, but it couldn't stop Maia. Then Maia pulled half guard. At first this baffled me, why half-guard rather than full guard? But reading Bravo I realized that pulling half-guard allowed Maia to wrap his legs around Quarry's (Bravo calls this the lock down) and then get up to his knees (Bravo calls this the dogfight) and work for a takedown.
Quarry has a whizzer on Maia's right arm, but its not enough to stop the takedown, even though he stopped Maia once, Maia just kept coming until he is on top.
This gif on the right shows the transition from half-guard to the dogfight, including the first failed takedown. The key thing seems to be Maia's right leg wrapped around Quarry's left. Quarry can't get separation as long as their legs are entangled.
As always, I'm all ears for anyone who knows more about what's going on than I do. I'm especially interested in knowing what the common denominator of this move is for Maia and Bravo. Is this a BJJ technique that goes back to the Machados or further? I don't know much about Maia's teachers. I believe that Bravo learned from Rigan Machado who learned from Carlos Gracie, Jr.
What's Maia's BJJ pedigree?
Here's the intro to Maia's instructional video series -- I've watched the parts on YouTube but haven't seen the whole thing. The intro video gets the biggest thing across -- Maia takes a very scientific approach to BJJ, focusing on the underlying principles rather than just memorizing techniques.
Gifs by Chris Nelson from UFC 91, November 15, 2008.
About the name of this feature: I chose Judo Chop because it’s an utter misnomer that is sometimes used by poorly informed MMA commentators during fights. It’s also from the Austin Powers movie. I chose it because it reflects my own lack of expertise and what this column is: my stumbling along in the dark trying to get a handle on the technical aspects of the fights. The techniques featured here will sometimes involve judo but not always. Sorry if that's confusing.
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I'm getting to be a HUGE Maia fan.
I love any submission guy that can effectively do more than a guillotine and RNC.
by Razreshat on Mar 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here's the shoot and guard pull

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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think he did the same to sonnen right?
shoot, sprawl, then somehow get the legs in and pull guard.
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he did a pseudo judo throw on Sonen....
He had a sick leg sweep that took down Sonen. Maia ended up on top.
by Dexerion on Mar 4, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no i mean before that throw.. He did that too i think.
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he tried pulling guard on Chael
and Sonnen escaped.
I was astonished when Maia got the takedown on Chael from the clinch. He just straight up outwrestled the dude.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know crap about Judo....
but my research would classify that throw as Sasae Tsuri-Komi Ashi.
Anyone w/ Judo chops out there?
by Dexerion on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in wrestling its a lateral drop
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I know dick about wrestling too, LOL
but from some quick research this seems more like a throw w/ a sweep to me than a lateral drop. Seems the lateral drop is more of a power, pick up and slam move. This was more of an off balance throw move.
by Dexerion on Mar 4, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we covered the lateral drop
a couple of judo chops ago when we talked about Jon Jones — this is a lateral drop with a trip/sweep with the foot.
Well maybe its not a lateral drop but the arm hooks are the same, the leverage is very different.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a lateral drop
A lateral drop is more closely related to a suplex than a judo throw. In a lateral drop the aggressor locks onto his opponent with one overhook and one underhook, He then arches his back and turns his body away from the overhook, simulating the effect of looking over his shoulder.
by Captain7 on Mar 5, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
I was confused because Jones threw Bonnar with a lateral drop variation using double overhooks like Maia had on Sonnen.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 5, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The throw Jones hit on Bonnar is known as a salto.
by TheFugitive on Mar 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if it aint sasae then it’s pretty close.
he drops onto his side/back to complete the throw. that said, it would score in a judo match.
by Ronnie Liddle on Mar 5, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep i rewatched the fight..
He pulled guard like the quarry match on his first try for the takedown.. but sonnen was able to get up..
That throw was sick though..
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and martial farts is right.. THey do look so much alike.. Especially on small gifs and blurred vids haha.
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right, he did a move like it was out of terminator 3 when the TX wrapped his legs around Arnold in one of their fights….I remember commenting on it during the show…it was awesome!
by soadtrails on Mar 5, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maia is my dude. I’m with him till I die.
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by FlyByKnight on Mar 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
here's the whole sequence, except for the guard pull

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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eric Schafer used this approach to perfection against Antonio Mendes, and then gave a shout-out to Maia during the post-fight

by smoogy on Mar 4, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Any judo chop analyzing the work of Demian Maia is cool by me. It’s saying something when one guy can continue to confound really accomplished mixed martial artists, and make it look so damn easy – and impressive.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 4, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the thing I love about Maia
is that he’s able to make himself not just relevant but really scary and dangerous to anyone in his weight class with a pure submission game. He’s not utterly one-dimensional though, he can get the takedown one way or another.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, if you can get it to the ground, and from there always submit, who cares about how many dimensions you have? His amazing consistency (5 fights, 5 chokes) hasn’t really been seen from a BJJ player in the UFC since Royce Gracie. He is turning into a sensation, and it makes me wonder why the UFC is so stingy with bringing in elite BJJ competitors. For example, Leonardo Santos would have been a great prospect for the UFC, now he is gone to Sengoku.
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by smoogy on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did a judo chop on that 2nd gif
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That Quenneville fight is insane. Nice gifs.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Quenneville-Evans made me go back and start my FOTY candidate list.
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is plenty of judo chop fodder here to be sure
I like Hazelett’s armbar on the barncat and marcus aurelio’s especially.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way Aurelio and Ishida finish with one knee + instep instead of both legs hooked in is very cool
by smoogy on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Jacare’s.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may sound kind of silly, but Maia’s kind of the opposite of the “sprawl and brawl” type fighters. Like Liddell’s game has usually involves using takedown defense to stay standing and somehow getting back to his feet if he is taken down, Maia seems to always find a way to get the fight off the feet and goes to great lengths to get it back to the mat if his opponent is in the process of standing. It’s really rare in today’s game. He uses techniques that sometimes look unorthodox to the ignorant like me, but I’m sure most of them are the result of his highly evolved BJJ/MMA grappling. Like Smoogy, I’d love to see more really high level submission guys in the UFC.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 4, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that it’s not only because the ground is Maia’s turf, but because it’s the best place to employ his theory of “don’t get injured, don’t injure my opponent.” I’ll never get tired of watching this guy do his thing.
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love that Smoogy’s not pissed about something…..ohhhhhhhh…I’ll warn myself.
by Heenan on Mar 4, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I remember correctly, Bravo prefers half-guard to full guard because there are more opportunities for sweeps.
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by Mike Fagan on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno that I'd say that
he PERFERS the half-guard as much as he sees it as a viable offensive position. He does devote a section of the rubber guard book to the butterfly guard and sweeps from there. But he also clearly prefers to be in the rubber guard than in 1/2 guard. Not a lot of submissions from the 1/2 guard….the pyramid is a different story.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, after thinking about it, it seems like fighters are going to have to take an extra step when they defend a takedown from Maia. Pull the hips out, establish their unders, and then make a conscious effort to disengage. Otherwise, he’ll just swivel his hips and pull guard.
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by Mike Fagan on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how did Sonnen get away
when Maia pulled guard?
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically when maia pulled guard but he didnt lock in the half guard and when sonnen postured up, he was able to get out of it.. maia tried to take him down again, then It was a (relatively) long scramble with maia sticking to him like glue, and sonnen trying to fend him off and keep from being put on his back. Maia ended up with full guard and double underhooks. sonnen postured up and just got up..
A few seconds later, throw then triangle.. the end.
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by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Otherwise, he’ll just swivel his hips and pull guard.”
Welcome to my takedown game.
by Simco on Mar 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maia is the man.
like you, i think that he developed the shoot/half-guard pull-to takedown separately from any of eddie bravo’s concepts or techniques. if you look closely, maia doesn’t have the opponent’s leg double-grapevined, so the lockdown isn’t used at all.
jeff monson does something very similar.
by dr. ransom on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i couldn't tell from the angle
whether he did the lockdown or not. Clearly he only has one leg wrapped by the time he gets to the dogfight position but Bravo would do the same. My understanding is the lockdown is just to break down the opponent’s posture.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
primarily, yes
but the lockdown is also a great way to stall—in order to initiate a scramble the player has to release it. heck, it was even used as a submission in old school judo long before eddie came around.
by dr. ransom on Mar 4, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely
don’t have that clear a handle on what parts of his system Bravo originated and what he adopted from older systems.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here's a link if you're interested
http://www.judoinfo.com/leglocks.htm
here, the double-grapevine is on the outside of uke’s leg. i know eddie puts it on the inside.
i don’t remember if i came across it first in judo or eddie’s old book, but i find the relationships between grappling systems fascinating.
by dr. ransom on Mar 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
much thanks
yeah me too. I mean obviously the physics of the human body is finite
so any move could have multiple originators and its complicated by the fact that so many teachers are coming from interrelated backgrounds. but all the same its a fun knot to try and untangle.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 5, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The sweep he attempted Eddie Bravo calls the Old School. But that was developed by Gordo long before that.
It is even mentioned in his book. It looks a little different because Nate stood up.
The transition from the failed takedown to half guard is just good ol’ BJJ. If you look closely, Nate got the front headlock of the sprawl. Maia just used a textbook escape to half guard. The reason why its half guard rather than full guard is simply because of the way that he has to move his hips+head to get out of the headlock.
by zeroword on Mar 4, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i was wondering if it was old school
but the stand up threw me off.
I found the moves Bravo talks about to be way more complicated than almost any other instructional.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, i own both sets of maia’s instructionals, and they are excellent.
not surprisingly, the stand-up tape, aside from a couple guillotine variations, consists of guard-pull after guard-pull.
by dr. ransom on Mar 4, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Demian Maia is to BJJ as Alton Brown is to cooking.
That is all.
by Dexerion on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Eddie Bravo
He trained under Jean Jacques Machado, not Rigan. JJ is the one with the gimp hand that wins world championships, so you know he’s badass…
by KneeToTheFace on Mar 4, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s what it says on wikipedia but I’ll have to look at his books again because I’m fairly sure that while he mentions Jean Jacques as the source of his technique he cites Rigan as his primary teacher. I think both brothers were at the same academy.
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by Kid Nate on Mar 5, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
I haven’t heard that but it doesn’t mean that it isn’t true.
by KneeToTheFace on Mar 5, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just an FYI to those who don’t know, Maia and even Brasa (rip) as a whole, is kinda known for half guard.
by Simco on Mar 5, 2009 12:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Get Maia's DVDs!
They’re a must have for any BJJ practitioner/admirer. Your knowledge of the ground game will increase exponentially after viewing them. He explains things quite well.
Demian is quickly becoming my favorite fighter.
by a tommy point on Mar 5, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chael Sonnen probably doesn’t.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 5, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that list is probably growing fast
by Razreshat on Mar 5, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yushin Okami
I hope he’s next. I’d like to see how they do against each other.
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