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Tell ESPN That We Want Representation: A Call To Action

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In the midst of merely the latest in a string of 200+ comment decimations of WAMMA to grace Bloody Elbow's front page, Brent Brookhouse humbly submitted a proposal:

I vote...

that everyone write ESPN and say that I should be on as a guest the next time Miletich is on presenting their rankings for a friendly debate.

I was then drafted by Rundownloser to get the word out.

Despite Brent's efforts to give WAMMA the benefit of the doubt, indicating that Robbie Lawler v. Matt Lindland would be considered a title fight led to this article.  I've had my criticisms of WAMMA, as well:

Unreal.

…notwithstanding your attempt to cover yourself which was woefully insufficient.

Aside from Matt said IN THE ARTICLE that it was SATIRE???

On a personal note, I have always taken ample time to answer any of your emails and find your article harmful and just plain spiteful, to be frank.

That sounds like someone at a diner ordering a full plate of ‘who gives a shit?’.

He could’ve easily registered, posted himself and squared what Pat said with WAMMA’S rankings and policies. But because that’s fucking impossible, he decides to leap to libel (which would never, ever, ever be held up in an American court) and order around a fan whose only crime was to read what people said and care.

Frankly, according to the first Amendment, I can write this:

My sources say Michael B Lynch is a crossdresser – a serious allegation if backed up by subsequent events.

How about a refresher course in not being an asshole?

Also.

Since MMA Live is a web show (and presumably the venue at which such a discussion would take place), I believe this is the correct place to submit our request to have Brent appear opposite Pat Miletich for a friendly debate.  If you'd like to submit your own letter, by all means, but I have the one I wrote here if you'd like to copy and paste:

Hello.  As an MMA fan, I'm worried that fans attempting to get into the sport are often thrown off by the many organizations in the sport.  This problem in recruiting new fans to the sport makes objective, sensible, accurate ratings of all fighters (regardless of affiliation) all the more important.  I am concerned that ESPN's recent decision to adopt the World Association of Mixed Martial Art's ranking system will skew a large audience's perception of the true lay of the land in MMA.

Bloodyelbow.com, a member of the SBNation network, recently partnered up with USA Today to print their comprehensive 'Meta-Rankings.'  These rankings include WAMMA and a number of more experienced, thorough and reputable rankings, and use a methodology to glean an overall picture of rankings throughout the community.  As Bloodyelbow.com has no vote in the rankings (nor any fiscal motivation to manipulate them, unlike WAMMA), I consider their approach to be much less vulnerable to corruption or inaccuracy.

Brent Brookhouse, contributing editor to the site, recently offered to appear on MMA Live for a friendly debate with a WAMMA representative, and I am writing to support that idea.

If WAMMA is truly distraught about what it perceives to be unfair and biased treatment from BE (and, given Jonathan Snowden's noble if Quixotic defense in the comments sections, it seems they are), then they should welcome the opportunity to answer Brent's concerns in a forum they control.  By offering to debate on ESPN, and not the pages of USA Today, Brent has shown a willingness to engage this topic regardless of the medium and eliminate any sense of perceived bias from the beginning. 

Seeing to it that Brent is given a forum and this issue is aired will not only absolve ESPN of any charges of bias, it will educate fans even more about the sport that you and I both hope to grow.  I hope you will strongly consider it.

 

Sincerely,

I can't think of anyone else that will ask WAMMA the questions we want answered.  Get behind this, gang.

From themachiavellian in the comments:

Also email mmalive@espn.com! That’s the directly address for the show, where they get their viewer mail! Their support email is support@espn.go.com! Send it there too! Send this message to as many outlets as possible! FREEDOM!

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we should be clear

that Snowden is just a contributor to their rankings committee not a representative of WAMMA.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for the idea

But ESPN are notorious for ignoring pleas such as this. I think it’s sort of a company rule of their’s, like only hiring the most incompetent retired NFL players as analysts.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Efficacy has never been my strong suit – I try to stick with what I think is right regardless of odds

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

(Same reason I support a college football playoff and universal health care)

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of these things is not like the others.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just ESPN?

Like they are also the only network to hire Tits Maggie as the NFL sideline reporter too.

by bignerd on Mar 31, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's their great contribution to sports...

I’m not listening to the sideline reporters anyway. At least give me something to look at

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

As you wish

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're a bastard...

although he does have the biggest cans of all sideline reporters

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

NFL Network has HOFers on its network, and people that actually know about the game. Smart players like Marshall Faulk, or they bring out Deacon Jones for how it used to be. Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Warren Sapp, Terrell Davis, also have the best guys from CBS, FOX and NBC on the network all the time also, Simms, Collinsworth, etc. Mixed in with good hosts who don’t act like they’re former NFL players, a million former HOF players who are on as guest analysts all the time, and by far the best information guy(s) with Adam Schefter, and access to every specific team reporter, etc…

Look at the crap ESPN has, and credentials get alot worse if you take out Steve Young and Emmitt Smith who work for ESPN about 20 days each a year, each appearance a combined less than 5-10 minutes…so ESPN has Merrill Hoge, Mark Schlereth, Darren Woodson, Eric Allen, Cris Carter, Keyshawn Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Tim Hasselbeck, Tom Jackson and hosts who act like they know more about the NFL than players who actually played the game, and by far the worst information guy in NFL history in Mortenson, who backstabs players to get his only legit info, and the other 75% of the time just makes up stories, like saying Eli Manning will be out for a month and Adam Schefter comes on NFL Network a minute later and says “some people are reporting Eli is out a month and I’m here to say he is questionable JUST for the next game but plans to play” (eli didn’t miss a game)…

ESPN is crap, and thats just the NFL, its just as bad with baseball and basketball, they get crap former players and have information guys who make up stories and are always wrong…

oh to add NFL Network’s draft guy, Mike Mayock, actually played the game, studies tape and his mock draft as well as his outlook on players, (saying its a good or bad pick) is usually right on, perfect at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine also….ESPN has Mel Kiper Jr and Todd McShay, if you actually follow what they say then you know how bad they are at what they do…even though Kiper is a legend, he was wrong when he started the job and he’s still wrong today, just used to be the ONLY guy…

this post has nothing to do with anything, I was just watching NFL Live on one TV and NFL Network on the other and decided to compare since I just read a comment mentioned ESPN…

by Reaser on Mar 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh for sure...

I just never really have cared about sideline reporters. That’s all I was saying. ESPN does have Jaws though….he’s great at explaining film/technique

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Jaws, this is amazing.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

that made my day

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oof

Hate Jaws. Don’t even get me started on his breaking down film and pulled news stories..

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Emmitt Smith???

You may have some technical errors over there. Smith is a horrible analyst and got taken off the air for this coming season. Carter is money and Steve Smith is ok. Hoge has brain damage and I can’t stand Jaworski.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Young. Fuckin Steve Young.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’ve always dug Jaworski. Whatever. To each his own I suppose.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaws is ok, at least he loves and knows football, even if he can’t speak proper…thanks for the video link though, was classic…always good when short white wide receivers get some recognition also…

Brian Brennan FTW
Tim Dwight FTW
Wayne Chrebet FTW

by Reaser on Mar 31, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wayne Chrebet? Bleg...

then again being a Bills fan I have a built in anti-Jets bias.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re a Bills fan? Good, we can be buddies.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since I first paid attention to football..

I’m certainly not a guy who throws himself behind teams because of a history of titles.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

same…

which is why since i was 4 years old (or probably before) I’ve been a Seahawks fan….

by Reaser on Mar 31, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills have always been my "AFC team"

..while being a diehard Vikes fan. But I grew up absolutely loving Thurman Thomas and rooting for the Super Bowl brides maid Bills of the 90’s.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Apr 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thurman Thomas...

is one of the most overlooked great players ever. Sanders and Smith overshadow him, but damn was he good.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides his Super Bowl 25 game against the Giants…for the most part I remember his disappearing or fumbling non stop in the big games…

but ya, he was good, the Bills were awesome in Tecmo Super Bowl, they were one of 3 “illegal” teams to use on my block…(Giants, Niners)

by Reaser on Apr 2, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

And yet the Raiders were allowed?

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

should have clarified…Tecmo Super Bowl for SNES…

“updated rosters” version…

though Tecmo Super Bowl for NES is my favorite all time, most of my friends had the SNES version and of course I had it as well so that is what we usually played…

I have every Tecmo Bowl ever, from original where the Seahawks had pink uniforms, to the 3rd Tecmo Bowl on SNES where they had crazy spin moves and jumps and the Panthers and Jags were in the game. Got the one for Playstation but wasn’t the same…still play Tecmo Super Bowl for both NES and SNES from time to time though, best two versions, SNES doesn’t have the “bugs” but NES has the better rosters imo…

by Reaser on Apr 2, 2009 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sent
I was then drafted by Rundownloser to get the word out.

Thank God you took the bait. ;-)

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

(fixed spelling of Quixotic)

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I was worried about that one.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had to stare at it for a second before I could decide if it was wrong.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I was the one that made ‘decimation’ plural.

Not that I’m sure you can do that, but the singular doesn’t work there.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any way to buzz this?

I don’t see the button anywhere.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Just a sec.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Works.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And turn Richard’s post green so folks will pay attention to the “Buzz this!” link.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Works fine. Buzz this post!

Also email mmalive@espn.com! That’s the directly address for the show, where they get their viewer mail!
Their support email is support@espn.go.com! Send it there too!
Send this message to as many outlets as possible! FREEDOM!

Too much?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Too much?

Not in the slightest.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now it's ok

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 31, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cliche though it may be, I'm kinda partial to

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go with the Classic!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Side note

Any Kirk Douglas related post is made instantly relevant to any MMA dicussion through the invocation of this man:

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 31, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sending messages from every email account I use. We should flood every inbox they have!

If only there was a way to get 4chan on our side. They know how to ruin anything.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sending it everywhere from each account I have!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys kinda suck. Still only on digg and four buzzes?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Front page this so everyone sees it in-their-face.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if you digg it, I’ll consider that.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I even had to sign up to do it, but it’s been dugg.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t front things because I don’t feel it’s my place, but consider this fronted because you signed up at digg.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aw. . .

I’m blushing. I certainly get your point, since you’re sort of the new guy on the staff, but this issue is such a flashpoint, anyone could have had legit cause to front it. I’ll be sure to digg more stuff from here (live blogs, etc) in the future

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 31, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is it not on the front page any more because I added a letter?

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was too inflammatory.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. That was not the answer I expected. Requesting a friendly debate through a letter campaign – guess I really pushed it there.

I’m just being cute, I know it wasn’t your call. Thanks for fronting it in the first place.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a feeling it might come back down. I was hoping to get more people to see it and thus digg/buzz it. We still only have 7 diggs and 6 buzzes. The community here is wicked lazy.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it was too inflammatory per se

its just in the context of some of the attacks we get for being self-promoting.
We wanted to let the fans of BE make their own case without it seeming like we were pushing it from the top.
Make sense?

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not one to start bitching in the process of a job interview… actually, I am, but I’m trying to turn over a new leaf here. It jives – it’s just always nice to get fronted.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN sucks
I get all the mma news offline so why should I care? And don’t really give a flip over casual fans needed us to hold there hands.

by Bandaka on Mar 31, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I got an out of office reply from this email as well.
Anthony.Spadacenta@espn3.com

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Mar 31, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions  

My website did an interview with Jon Anik awhile back. I’ll get in touch with him and see if he’ll shoot off a reply about the possibility.

Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com

by Leland Roling on Mar 31, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Hey Subo

You need to post this exact text in the Underground and Sherdog and MMajunkie forums immediately. There are alot of people who disagree with WAMMA who are not frequent readers of Bloody Elbow(i know, hard to believe!) and they could see this in the forums and add to the head count. I would do it myself but I am at work and I can’t go the the forums till I get home.

by Nick Travaglini on Mar 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

rec`d

Hmm. Has anyone considered the possibility that WAMMA may pay ESPN to be on the show?

"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)

by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I've certainly considered that...

and I’ve got…um…$5 in my wallet right now. So…maybe I have a shot?

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

sent

That's great, but how does it affect Lyoto Machida?

by beery_pbr on Mar 31, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I got some lovely blanket responses to my emails. More than I was expecting

That's great, but how does it affect Lyoto Machida?

by beery_pbr on Apr 3, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I was fairly clear that I didn’t represent WAMMA.

This:

“If WAMMA is truly distraught about what it perceives to be unfair and biased treatment from BE (and, given Jonathan Snowden’s noble if Quixotic defense in the comments sections, it seems they are)”

gives the opposite impression. I have no idea if WAMMA officials are even aware of your continued attacks on the group. Using my willingness to discuss the issue with you as evidence they do is unprofessional and misleading.

by JSnowden on Mar 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, you are a WAMMA official. You came here to defend WAMMA’s practices. Thus, we know of at least one WAMMA official that is aware of (and concerned about) our perception of WAMMA.

I don’t know if other WAMMA officials are aware, but getting them aware is kind of the goal.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's not a WAMMA official

He’s a contributor to their rankings panel.
Its a subtle distinction but an important one.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok – well, if we can influence enough WAMMA voters, then we can solve the problem more surreptitiously

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool,

could you make the change in the post to reflect Jonathan’s actual status with WAMMA?
thanks

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, I never specifically called him an official, but is that better?

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not. I read Nate’s article and responded in the comments. That doesn’t mean WAMMA is distraught about the attention. I have no idea if they are even aware of it. Nor was I distraught. I thought we were having a calm and dispassionate discussion?

by JSnowden on Mar 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I termed your defense ‘noble’ – that seems fairly calm and dispassionate. Are you saying you don’t mind what BE has to say about WAMMA? And if you don’t, then why bother commenting? You can’t say you didn’t care about the article. There’s nothing inaccurate in that post.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh they are most definitely aware. Enough to attack people who fanpost satire here threatening lawsuits.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not a WAMMA “official.” I help them determine the fighter rankings. Are all the sites that contribute to the meta-rankings Bloody Elbow “officials?” I don’t make any WAMMA decisions and I don’t have any influence on how they decide what to do with their rankings.

by JSnowden on Mar 31, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

What is their process for that, exactly? Do Pat and the other officials listen to you and the other contributors and then make their own decision? Is it a ballot? Is everyone’s opinion weighted the same, or is it you and several others submitting their own rankings and then whatever comes out the other side is the official WAMMA stance?

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding is that ballots are given equal weight.

by JSnowden on Mar 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

That's my understanding as well...

and no…you’re not an official. If I understand it correctly as a member of the ranking committee the extent of your “influence” is that you send in a ranking ballot. Thanks again for engaging in a fun discussion yesterday. Not sure where the disconnect came from that turned you into an “official”

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

http://CurseOfRonKarkovice.blogspot.com/

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never called him one in the initial letter, but there was some ambiguity that I believe I cleared up. He’s a voter, not an official – and dialogue is always good.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just you...

there were a lot of people talking about it. I’m just saying…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

snaps

to both the author of this post and for snowden to come in to the lions mouth and defend himself.

Jonathon, is there any possibility that for your next ballot you send in you attach a stickie note saying “btw nobody on the planet except matt lindland buys this lindland lawler for the middle wight title thing”

by bearcox13 on Mar 31, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I will make a note of it!

by JSnowden on Mar 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You wanna throw in your support for a Brookhouse/WAMMA debate on MMA Live?

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry...

but when it comes to MMA… I don’t take ESPN too seriously and don’t really care what they think. I’d love to see Brookhouse tear Militech a new one though…. frustrate the hell out of him to the point where Militech has no choice but to say “Well I’ll just kick your ass then”.

by Gunslinger20 on Apr 2, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Er… why is this back on top?

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by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It weren't me

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 2, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it wasn’t subo, it must’ve been someone on staff, and probably someone who outranks me (everyone) so consider my question un-asked! :)

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by Chris Nelson on Apr 2, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoops – I corrected some punctuation <:-(

by Derek Suboticki on Apr 2, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

it must have picked up some new recommendations

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Apr 2, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

does that work?

 i thought that once it gets 3 recs, the rest are irrelevant..

by Anton Tabuena on Apr 2, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it can be...

rec’d back to the top

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 3, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys really need to put this on the front page I don’t know how the WAMMA became relevant at all but if their rankings are being taken seriously their belts can’t be far behind.

by drano on Apr 4, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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