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Adjusting for Era - Enson Inoue

In the comments of AJB's recent FanPost we got onto a side discussion about the inability of some MMA fans to properly adjust for eras when it comes to fighters of the earlier days of MMA.  A lot of examples were tossed around on the comments so I wanted to take a look at some of those names that came up (and some others) and figure out how they should be looked at.  As Kid Nate put it “you can't judge how good a fighter was in 1997 by looking at his career the next five years.”

What we mean when we talk about “adjusting for era” is that you don't just take a guy with his exact skillset from 1997, drop him into 2009 and say “now how would he do?”  It's like if you were to take Babe Ruth out of an at bat in his prime and drop him into a modern game against a Johan Santana he is probably not going to have any idea how to hit “modern pitching.”  Obviously Royce Gracie is a legend but if you don't look at him in terms of when he became a legend and just said “how would Royce from UFC 1 do against GSP or Jon Fitch?”  the answer is “not very good.”  You have to look at a guy's skills in comparison to those of his contemporaries and adjust that to put him into the “modern game” for a fair comparison.  This is the kind of adjustment we're talking about.

We're going to start this semi-regular feature by taking a look at an Enson Inoue and where he would fit into the modern landscape of MMA if we were to properly adjust for era.  Today Inoue is looked at by a lot of newer fans as a guy who got beaten convincingly with regularity on the big stage of PRIDE and has a slightly better than .500 career record rather than one of the better under 206 pounders of the pre-2000 era.

What get's overlooked is that Enson was a legitimate threat from 1995 to 1999, going 10-3 to start his career.  Of those three loses one was to Joe Estes which he avenged a year later, one was to Igor Zinoviev who we'll get to in a later edition but who was a very legit fighter in this era and the other was to Frank Shamrock in a fight which features one of my favorite fight finder results ever: “DQ (Egan Inoue Ran Into the Ring).”  His ten wins were all finishes and included an armbar victory over Randy Couture at a time where Randy was coming off his wins over an undefeated Belfort and UFC Champ Mo Smith.  While a lot of the names in those ten wins aren't big names, he displayed some serious skills.

Of course the problem with Enson is that he decided he was a heavyweight and went a little bit crazy with the “no tapping, I will die in the ring” stuff.  From 2000 through the end of his career in 2004 Enson went 1-5, losing to the elite of the heavyweight division.  Here was a guy who was not a  heavyweight getting thrown in with Igor Vovchanchyn in his prime, Mark Kerr when he was still relevant, Heath Herring when he was a top 5 guy, and Nogueira when he was the best heavyweight on the planet.

One of the more apt comparisons to a “modern” guy I can think of for Enson in his prime would be a Renato Sobral.  Inoue wasn't ever someone who was going to reliably beat the elite guys much like Bablu but on any given night could pull off a big win over someone who was a legit threat (Enson over Couture, Babalu over Shogun) and was going to beat (and finish) most non-elite guys who were put in front of him.

The armbar on Couture and a nifty highlight package showing the determined and gusty Enson in the full entry.

Update:  Kid Nate (resident history geek) chimed in with some stuff that I should have mentioned:

One thing about Enson that you didn’t mention was his tenure as Shooto champ — the only heavyweight (184lbs +) champ in Shooto history. He mostly beat up on Dutch fighters — Rene Rooze, Ed de Kruif — but that’s who was competing at the time.
You also didn’t mention his UFC win over highly touted all-american wrestler Royce Alger — who was one of the first busts from the collegiate wrestling world in MMA. Enson was his first opponent and armbarred him quickly.
When he fought Shamrock it was a #1 contender match — Shamrock as the winner advanced to fight olympic medalist Kevin Jackson for what was then called the UFC middleweight (200lbs and under) title.

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For whatever reason I just can’t get into Saturday’s show, there isn’t anything really to the show story-wise even if the fights all look to be good so I decided to run in a different direction here.

Let me know if this is the kind of thing you’d like to see more of? (i.e. should it become a regular “feature” on the site?)

Anyone in particular you’d like to see looked at?

And lastly, do you have a more apt “modern comparison” for Enson than Babalu?

Share away folks!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Other good guys to discuss:

-Rumina Sato
-Caol Uno
-Carlos Newton
-Pedro Rizzo
-Masakatsu Funaki or Minoru Suzuki
-Bas Rutten

by smoogy on Mar 3, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All guys...

who were on the list except Sato and Bas but both are obviously solid guys to do it with.

I love Newton and wish more people were aware of what he could do when he was on in his prime.

Rizzo is like the PERFECT guy for this series also.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funaki and Newton for sure.

by George Lucas on Mar 3, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Igor Vovchanchyn

also Mikhail Ilioukhine and Tsuyoshi “TK” Kohsaka even Kimo Leopoldo.
Plus Jose “Pele” Landi-Jons and his nemesis Jorge Macaco Patino
Plus Johil de Olivera
Wallid Ismael
Amaury Bitteti
Jerry Bohlander
Pete Williams
Maurice Smith

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

VOLK HAN!

by smoogy on Mar 3, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about Volk...

but he is honestly a guy that I don’t know much about other than the very basic stuff. Then again it does present a fun opportunity for me to study up…

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 4, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I've been thinking about doing something on Volk as well

he really is the grandfather of Fedor and a huge part of the reason there’s been such a strong Russian presence in MMA in Japan.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ze Mario would be another fun topic

by smoogy on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mos def

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sakuraba and Kerr are more Silver-Age but their stories are tragic enough to make for a good read.

by George Lucas on Mar 3, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I don’t just want to limit to the real old timey guys. I’ll be doing some “silver-age” guys..Kerr and Saku are on that list because I’ve seen a lot of people whose entire exposure to Kerr is The Smashing Machine and Fat Mark at YAMMA…and a lot of people on message boards questioning if Sakuraba was ever really “that good” which is insanity to us old timers.

Plus this series gives me an excuse to refresh my memory on some guys…so I’m glad the early thoughts are to keep going with it.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some guys I wouldn’t mind hearing about:

- Ricco Rodriguez
- TK
- Mach Sakurai
- Alexandre Franca ‘Pequeno’ Nogueira
- Masahiro Oishi
- Stephen Palling

by ilostmydog on Mar 4, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

definitely continue this series. history is very important. “you can’t know where you’re going until you know where you’ve been”

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by schizosmurf on Mar 4, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d sort of like to be critical and give you a hard time, but this was a very good piece. That’s really not a shocker since it’s quite indicative of your work. You’ve got my permission to do it again. Ha.

Not to stray too far off topic, but I believe this era distortion contributes to baseball fans being so adamantly opposed to anyone entangled in the steroid mess. In baseball, more so than other sports, stats are almost sacred and a measuring stick of sorts. Steroids smash this unit of measure in the eyes of some.

Looping back to MMA, comparing stats and athletes rigorously across time periods isn’t fair as you have shown.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 3, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

baseball guys bother me with shit like how no one can get a 100% vote for the hall of fame because there are writers who say “If Willie Mays didn’t get 100% no one should” and now say that they will vote no for guys just to make sure no one gets inducted with 100% of the vote. It is really lame to refuse to acknowledge the truth because you’re holding onto the past. Like, when Greg Maddox come up for induction who can vote no and not be doing so just for some bizarre personal crusade?

Baseball has kind of the opposite thing of MMA where the past is overvalued in baseball and undervalued in MMA.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball has so many voters with various (mostly retarded) agendas. These “baseball writers” are like members for life, whether or not they’re still active in my understanding. I will admit that the surge in home runs and the like turned the stats on their heads, but it increased the popularity of the sport in the late 90’s. I mean, I used to collect baseball cards, among other sports cards, and loved to compare stats, but these old guys need to deal with the changing times and move on. Some of this shit went down, and is still happening just like different things affected numbers in different eras.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 3, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love it

not a shock I suppose since I’m a known MMA history geek.
One thing about Enson that you didn’t mention was his tenure as Shooto champ — the only heavyweight (184lbs +) champ in Shooto history. He mostly beat up on Dutch fighters — Rene Rooze, Ed de Kruif — but that’s who was competing at the time.
You also didn’t mention his UFC win over highly touted all-american wrestler Royce Alger — who was one of the first busts from the collegiate wrestling world in MMA. Enson was his first opponent and armbarred him quickly.
When he fought Shamrock it was a #1 contender match — Shamrock as the winner advanced to fight olympic medalist Kevin Jackson for what was then called the UFC middleweight (200lbs and under) title.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Updated...

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alger...

was another Kevin Jackson type guy. Had the wrestling credentials (although Jackson’s were better than Royce’s) but got broken by more experienced guys on the bigger shows.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson got some impressive wins first though

He demolished John Lober when Lober was still a top contender and won a UFC mini-tourny before he ran into Frank. Alger never got a win.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

Alger did get SOME wins. He lost his first fight, fought outside of the UFC a few times, came back and lost again. He was obviously not as successful as Jackson, but he had the background but was broken by the better fighters he took on.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i stand corrected

should’ve checked fight finder first!

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alger was not anywhere near being in shape when he fought in the UFC. He looked awful physically, which made it difficult for him to show his (previously) fantastic wrestling skill.

by Hardcharger on Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt about that

but his loss to Enson was a classic early in the first round armbar — I doubt Alger would have been able to avoid regardless of his conditioning.
If Enson had beaten Frank Shamrock, he would likely have submitted Kevin Jackson just as quickly as Frank did.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great idea

As a fan who came in with TUF 1 I’ve don’t really have much of an understanding or appreciation for the history of the sport. It’s interesting to get that new perspective for the sake of discussion and to understand the development of MMA into what it is today.

by Andy R on Mar 3, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe not a good guy to do one of these on but why when I say Jens Pulver is a legend does everyone (that I talk to regularly about mma) flip out??

and with baseball, thats why I always say roids/HGH/PED era ruined the sports past, present and future because its a game built off stats, thats what matters in baseball, everyone knew the HR record, knew what it meant for a pitcher to reach an amount of wins in a season, or a batting average. PEDs ruined all that because now ALL the numbers are all jacked up…

its common knowledge to me, but Adjusting for Era has to be done, I hate when people look at me funny because I consider Otto Graham to be the best Quarterback of all time (there usually comeback is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Marino, Favre, Elway, Montana, no one ever says Unitas back to me either..) and that anyone from before the 80’s or 90’s would get killed today. So annoying, obviously you have to “adjust for the era”…

by Reaser on Mar 3, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There are still a few healthy records...

RBI in a season (191)
Hits in a season (came within steroid era…but Ichiro ain’t really a suspect here)
Single season batting average (.426 ain’t goin’ nowhere)
Pitching wins in a season (will never fall)
Consecutive games played

The home run record is the only one that really has had a lot of doubt cast on it by this era.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree to disagree on baseball, was meaning more not just the #1 spot but top 10, 20, 50, etc…like single season and career strikeouts, saves, definately single season HR’s and career HR’s, many other stats. Then you can’t forget about Awards, Cy Youngs, MVPs, All-Star selections, etc…imagine how many MVPs Pujols (if HE’S not on PEDs also) would have without all the cheaters.

All I know is I’ve always said Griffey is the best of this era, hopefully people can finally see that now, every other “great” player was cheating…

hopefully one of your next stories like this is on Jens since you got what I was saying…

by Reaser on Mar 3, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sabremetrics

This issue in baseball has been addressed in recent years. The statheads have come up with tons of ways to account for eras. OPS+, ERA+ both account for the era a player was in. For instance, Guy A had a 3.60 ERA while Guy B had a 2.25. But Guy B played in an era where the league average was 2.20 while Guy A played in an era where the league average was 4.50. So Guy A has an ERA+ of 130 while Guy B has an inferior ERA+ of 99.

There are other nuances involved but you get the idea. Anyway…as you were.

by Farthammer on Mar 3, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, I’ve seen stuff like that, its pretty cool. Would be alot better if roids/HGH never happend. Oh well, baseball is by far my least favorite major sport, used to up on my list of fav sports but 94 strike kinda killed it for me, thought at the time and still think that Griffey (or Matt Williams) was going to break the HR record that season and the World Series would have had the Expos in it, who were a great team and could have been one of the best ever. Oh and Tony Gwynn was batting just under .400 at the time of the strike also. Ruined it for me but the Sosa/McGwire HR chase brought alot of people back but not really me, you could tell they were on “something”…

by Reaser on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Jens...

being the first UFC lightweight champion and that period during his first UFC run (where he didn’t lose a fight) puts him pretty clearly as a legend in the sport. He is a really good example of the kind of guy I’m talking about here. Jens pre- 2003 was legitimately one of the best fighters in the world and is absolutely a legend. But a lot of people can’t see past more recent history (especially the current 1-5 period) to see that

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You couldn’t be more wrong. Go to Baseball-Reference.com and actually look at the top 10’s for single season and career records.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bonds alone, #3 on career list for Runs, #6 career On Base %, #6 for Slugging % (A-rod 11th), #4 for Total Bases, #1 career HR’s (Sosa #6, McGwire #8, Palmiero #10, A-Rod #12), #4 career RBI’s…don’t need to go on with him and I only did career, single season records are worse (or better in my favor for my statement)…

Clemens #3 on career Strikeouts…tired of looking unless you were saying someone else couldn’t be more wrong because I couldn’t be more correct…I didn’t say just top 10, I said top 10, 20, 50, too many names bumped down or off the list because of HGH/PEDs…

hmm, last thing;

Bonds has 7 MVP’s…THE MOST EVER, #1 on the list for most prestigious award…
Clemens has 7 Cy Youngs…THE MOST EVER, #1 on the list for most prestigious pitching award…

Nope, I couldn’t have been more wrong, roid/HGH/PED users aren’t at the top of any lists….

by Reaser on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

at least I think we can all agree on one thing…

it’ll be great if and when Bonds career HR record is broken by A-Rod, so at least we won’t have a cheater at the #1 spot…

oh wait…

by Reaser on Mar 4, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like this feature a lot; I look forward to more. I can’t wait for the Zinoviev one. I’ve found that even most of the MMA geeks I run into online have no idea who he is, other than maybe “that guy Frank slammed the shit out of.”

by FRANKIE on Mar 3, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Odd that there isn't more discussion about Enson himself

I personally think that Enson was a totally awesome fighter because of his heart and ‘warrior spirit’.

Enson was definitely a ‘warrior’ rather than a fighter/athlete. Talent wise he had the potential to be a top 5 LHW of his time but obviously history didn’t work out that way.

He definitely did some crazy things such as try to stand and bang with Vovchanchyn.

I think your comparison on a sporting level maybe accurate (I currently can’t think of any similar contemporary fighter) but it’s definitely inaccurate from a fans perspective. Babalu is someone people like to watch and but he doesn’t really have anywhere near the sort of cult following Enson had.

I definitely like this feature.

by rainmaker6 on Mar 3, 2009 10:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

this feature is meant to focus more on the aspect of looking at a guys skills and accomplishments to figure out where they would translate into the modern game’s hierarchy. Obviously Enson is a really unique guy and I could write an entire article on his personality but it wasn’t really where I was looking to go with this.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From the extended HL video. What's up with

his continued pummeling after guys have tapped and the ref is trying to stop the fight. I know Royce did this a few times back in the day. Was this much more common back then as compared to today? and was it accepted or was he considered a big douche?

by !claw on Mar 3, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Enson and his brother both had some serious sportsmanship issues that got worse over time as they bulked up…..its almost like there was some kind of pixie dust making them crazy and muscular…
they were also coming out of Hawaii which had a really brutal MMA ethic in the early days — see Marcelo Tigre who made the Inoue boys look like angels.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good piece, man. I really like the idea. Smoogy’s list has most of the ones I can think of, except for maybe Guy Mezger.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 3, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Guy Mezger

one of america’s sexist bachelors.

/end of article

joking of course. Guy was the shit.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you on behalf of Enson

I am a HUGE fan of Enson’s and he doesn’t get enough respect for how talented he was early in his career. If he didn’t change his fighting style and become a brawler, he may have gone down as one of the greatest ever. Regardless if one new UFC fan(someone who started watching in the last 3 years or so) will learn some usefull info about Enson, then you did a public service.

by Nick Travaglini on Mar 3, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I second this...

but the guy had spirit. I’m such an Enson mark.

by rainmaker6 on Mar 4, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great piece...

Maybe some other topics could be:
Dan Severn
Pat Smith
Kevin Randleman
Ricco Rodgriguez
maybe even Khalid “Die” Faust.

I like the ideas of Guy Mezger and Caol Uno.

by Gunslinger20 on Mar 4, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I did love his part in REDBELT.

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by FlyByKnight on Mar 4, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Newton for sure, also Ricco- is Ricco still clean?

by dualdiagnosis on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

more please

That's great, but how does it affect Lyoto Machida?

by beery_pbr on Mar 4, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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