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"ESPN's Friday Night Fights to Feature Monthly WBC Rankings"

Espn_medium That headline would create loud outcries from the boxing community. However, "ESPN's MMA Live to Feature WAMMA Rankings" garnered very little attention from the MMA community. Maybe it's the fact that WAMMA is considered little more than a joke by many fans of the sport or maybe it's that it wasn't really seen as deserving of coverage.  We all know where I stand.  Either way I find the lack of attention a little disconcerting.

 

What needs to be realized is that WAMMA's goal is to change the fundamental structure of our sport and what they do with these rankings is a large part of that mission. They are a sanctioning body looking to make money from sanctioned title fights based off of their own rankings. While they can honestly say that the ranking body is make up of external and respected sources it doesn't really matter. What matters is what they do with the rankings. On the March 19 edition of ESPN.com's MMA Live Pat Miletich said that they want to become what the AP Poll is for college football which is a sickening misrepresentation of what they are doing.

 

The AP Poll determines champions based on the votes of its members. If the AP were to say "the SEC doesn't want to work with us so we will not be recognizing their teams as potential champions" they'd instantly lose credibility with sports fans everywhere. WAMMA's rankings are irrelevant because they carry very little weight in determining who can be recognized as an undisputed champion for the organization. I know I have harped on this point in the past but WAMMA's CEO and COO said directly to me that they would have sanctioned Robbie Lawler vs. Matt Lindland for the undisputed middleweight title. At this point in time (September 2008) Lawler was 100 points behind Anderson Silva and Lindland was 245 points back in the Meta Rankings. If that fight had happened would a single person on WAMMA's ranking board have considered Robbie Lawler to be the "undisputed" champion of a division featuring Anderson Silva? I would hope not seeing as how there would be an awful lot to dispute. But it wouldn't matter because Lawler would be removed from the 1-10 portion of the rankings and placed as "champion" above the clear cut top fighter in the division.

 

This is what makes me question why ESPN would choose to allow Pat Miletich to come on MMA Live every month and give their rankings any attention at all. They don't give an accurate picture of the generally accepted status of each division but rather are simply the blueprint that this sanctioning body uses to try to find fights that they are able to profit from.

 

Delving further into the first appearance by Miletich on Live you've got him pushing for guys like Lawler, Belfort and Shields to be ranked higher while arguing that Josh Koscheck and other UFC fighters should be moved down. It seems odd to me that Pat would be making a public appearance to promote their rankings and then would spend time criticizing where his highly touted ranking board has placed fighters.

 

Finally, after talking about the need for the #1 and #2 fighters in a division to fight Pat goes on to explain that B.J. Penn can't be in the running for a WAMMA title without being able to cross promotional boundaries to make these types of fights happen. So I say again, what are the point of the rankings? Rashad Evans vs. Lyoto Machida is a #1 vs. #2 fight according to WAMMA's own rankings, just like Henderson/Silva was at the time, just like GSP/Fitch was at the time and following Evans/Machida the winner will face Rampage in what will be another #1 vs. #2 fight. The idea that Jon Anik can say in no uncertain terms that he thinks Penn is #1 at lightweight and all Miletich can say in response is that he isn't eligible to be champion should be all the reason ESPN needs to cut ties with WAMMA.

 

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Great article.

WAMMA is corrupt. They don’t allow all fighters to win their titles. And they are a self serving entity.

The sport is better off without WAMMA. ESPN has never taken MMa seriously, why should they start now?

The great thing is that what a station like ESPN does has less and less influence as the internet becomes a better medium…..

by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 27, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it could’ve been the ‘USA Today/WAMMA’ Rankings. I like where we are. True sports fans use ESPN for numbers and scores, not hard hitting analysis any drunk car salesman could give you.

by subo on Mar 27, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Miletich is a legend…. but his opinion of the sport hasn’t been very good for years. He bashed Zuffa while promoting the IFL. He is now behind WAMMA. Pat is 0-2 in my eyes.

Aoki has about the same amount of ability to be cross promoted as BJ Penn right now…. With is nearly 0%.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 27, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of us we’re ripping that episode apart:

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com/191/mma-live-talks-wamma-rankings-ears-bleed

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yay!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FL's take

Fightlinker weighed in on BE vs WAMMA rankings, and actually sided with WAMMA! He argues that even though rankings are meaningless, more respectable people decide on WAMMA, so it’s more legit, never mind how they arrive at their conclusions.

Truth be told, when you line the two systems up, I think WAMMA’s might actually come out on top. It has a wider range of legitimate participants, while the Bloody Elbow meta-rankings are bogged down with a number of websites I’ve never heard of. While MMARocks.pl and MMA4Real.net might have some very legitimate top 10 lists, guys like John McCarthy and Pat Miletich just might have an edge on them. I dunno. That’s my thought at least.

He chooses to ignore WAMMA because of how absurd of an org it is, but the real ire of most people is that they’re treated so respectably, which they clearly aren’t, so he’s attacking the wrong point. Goddam strawman!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've talked to him about it

I think he understands what he missed on the first go round. We’ll see.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now Cage Potato is defending WAMMA.

Now look at who Bloody Elbow polls to arrive at their meta-rankings. For starters, there’s WAMMA. Odd that they would include them, since their rankings are so flawed, but whatever. . .Then you’ve got sites like MMA4Real and MMA ELO, which even I’ve never heard of before now. That’s not to say their rankings are any more useless and subjective than anyone else’s. In fact, they’re probably just about as useless and subjective as anyone else’s. So why, exactly, are these meta-rankings any more valuable than WAMMA’s?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They, too, ignore the business side of things, and they also contribute to WAMMA’s rankings. I think people are really missing the point (maybe intentionally) of what Brent was saying.

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by AJB on Mar 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I may need a follow up. The problem isn’t with WAMMA’s rankings…it is with what they DO with them.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A follow-up explaining exactly the problems with WAMMA would be great, because of course you haven’t done that already and provided handy links to it in this article. And don’t forget when they threatened to sue BE for a fan publishing satire mocking them.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of them is also on the WAMMA ranking committee too.

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did they miss the point altogether, or just refuse to acknowledge it?

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 27, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it’s OK for them to be on MMA Live since they won’t talk to you anymore. This is our only avenue to watch them squirm.

I really would love to see them react to why the winner of GSP Fitch or Machida/Evans isn’t the champion. I also want to see what happens as the year goes along and Aoki fights multiple times at WW. If one fight at WW was enough for the WAMMAtards to cry that BJ shouldn’t be ranked, what’s going to happen when Aoki spends a whole year playing WW?

by Phildo on Mar 27, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I say good job Brent

for not letting this go unnoticed. WAMMA should die in some far away place.

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Mar 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It saddens me that ESPN got on board with this

because while we “hardcore” fans know that ESPN is pretty unreliable on sports outside of the big team sports, the average sports fan that could be coming around to MMA might see this and think that WAMMA is something to be taken seriously.

Frankly, it disappoints me also because MMA Live is my favorite weekly MMA show. I am hoping that it gets promoted to live tv…but hopefully not while including any WAMMA discussions.

by Razreshat on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The man is just back from vacation and already taking on rogue pseudo-sanctioning bodies. Nice write-up.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 27, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good piece. They gained my eternal enmity between the Lawler/Lindland thing and the “changing the structure of the sport” crap, so I cheer whenever anybody brings up how full of shit the heads of WAMMA are.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 27, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the whole lawyer threatening a BE poster.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 27, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can they gain my eternal enmity all over again?

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 27, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look at what writers vote on WAMMA’s rankings they are actually quite respectable similar to the AP with college football. The problem is the shady shit their doing with stuff like touting Aoki as number 1. If they were truly honest and non-profit they would stop trying to buddy up to Zuffa and have a figurehead make appearances on television. Plus WAMMA is a shitty name IMO. The AP should pick their own committee of experts and publish monthly or bi-monthly rankings in a major publication like USA Today or SI.

by ace328 on Mar 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there any way to prevent or retard the spread of WAMMA? They go around proclaiming to be “official”, which opens doors for them, even though they are one of the worst ranking systems out there. Meanwhile, the metarankings are arguably just some blog’s fancy math, and get overlooked (until now, bwahaha!).

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To do so actively would just draw attention to them further. Remember, outside of the hardcore fans, most people have never heard of WAMMA. I heard people at the bar during the last Affliction show talking about Fedor as the “Affliction Heavy Weight Champion”. So there you go.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

their deal with ESPN is the problem

its raising their profile and giving them a false aura of legitimacy.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it’s just my weird little world, but to me that says more about the drop in ESPNs journalistic ethics than any kind of legitimacy for WAMMA. I see your point and I know I’m in the minority here, but I also look at how ESPN basically blackballed the NHL, devotes ridiculously biased time and positive spin to certain MLB and NFL teams, apologizes for pro-athletes who break the law (except Vick), and seems to have decided that they get to tell the viewing public what they should like, rather than the other way around. To me, it just part of ESPNs downward trend over the last little while.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 27, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All that is correct but it doesn’t change the fact that most people still see ESPN as one of the main sources for sports news and analysis. “I saw it on tv so it must be true” rings true with this one, people who don’t know any better that see ESPN calling WAMMA “official” are going to believe they are “official” even if both ESPN and WAMMA are pretty sketchy. When MMA Live finally gets on tv it will be a issue as it would if the talking heads already on ESPN start talking about WAMMA as a “official” santioning body.

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know. I just wish the discourse didn’t always have to move to the level of negotiating the rapids of the lowest common denominator. It’s frustrating.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAMMA is a for profit organization, they are trying to make money off the rankings/titles and that adds a inherent bias to anything they do or say. You can’t get trustworthy rankings/sanctioning out of a biased organization. What is really sad is that Miletich can’t even seem to hide his personal bias when acting as their official spokesman, it leads to the assumption that the organization has both a economic and a personal bias in the way they do business.

Of course even if they were on the up and up what they are trying to do just can’t work without Zuffa involvement and that isn’t going to happen. It was just a poorly thought out idea to start with. I can’t even figure out how they expect to get enough money to keep them in business as things currently stand?

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WAMMA In Talks With Strikeforce To Crown Gina vs Cyborg As WAMMA Champ
WAMMA CEO Michael Lynch informed World of MMA that a matchup between Gina Carano and Chrystiane Santos is currently in “preliminary negotiations” between WAMMA and Strikeforce to be considered for the first inaugural womens MMA WAMMA Championship title. This would be a first for womens MMA in North America.

“WAMMA supports Scott Coker and his promotion and would be privilaged to participate in crowning their first ever womens championship title,” said Michael Lynch.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WAMMA seems to support every organization but the one with 90% of the best fighters.

by subo on Mar 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about simply letting your Bloody Elbow rankings stand on their own instead of attacking WAMMA? When you started a mudslinging contest, both sides end up in the muck and neither look good.

by andherewego on Mar 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no such thing as Bloody Elbow rankings, they are a composite of everyone elses rankings(including WAMMA), no one involved in the BE/USA today rankings actually is involved in ranking the people on the list. Of course WAMMA isn’t a ranking body they are a sanctioning body, the only reason they rank fighters to start with is to try and make money off of it, they want organizations to pay them money to sanction fights based on those rankings, as far as I know BE has no plans to sanction MMA title fights. This has nothing to do with comparing rankings to rankings it has to do with a critical statement about a “official” sanctioning body which is the kind of thing you are supposed to get from sports editorials.

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That pretty much sums it up.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because WAMMA is a dishonest company? Check out Brent’s interviews with them (link in the article above). They basically try to do everything while excluding the UFC – notice that the only belts they’ve handed out are to Fedor and Aoki, while avoiding naming a champ in WW, MW, or LHW, where the UFC clearly has the #1 fighter. Everyone makes fun of crowning Aoki, too, because no one seriously thinks he can beat Penn. Yet WAMMA is seen as “official” while the metarankings are just on some blog.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did Aoki ever actually get crowned with a belt(or a cool WAMMA ring)?

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And “just in some newspaper” as of yesterday.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brent isn’t attacking WAMMA’s rankings. He’s attacking the fact that they are a biased for-profit organization that claims to be unbiased.

by Michaelthebox on Mar 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAMMA is no different than any boxing alphabet soup sanctioning body....

…. they want to get paid. The end.

The less MMA is like boxing the better IMO. Especially when it comes to the political side of fight spot.

GREAT article BTW.

by Dexerion on Mar 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What’s truly saddening about this is that any casual fan who watches MMA Live will now think WAMMA is in some way legitimate because it appears on ESPN. Like everyone else I’m not a huge fan of the way WAMMA chooses to operate.

I know I’ve seen it mentioned here before and I think it bears repeating that the composition of WAMMA’s voting body can be called into question. It could be worse, but it could be a lot better.

by Andy R on Mar 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luckily for us no casual fans watch MMA live....

People that get on the internet and spend 30 minutes watching a show entirely about MMA news isn’t a softcore fan.

by Dexerion on Mar 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea this doesn’t really become a huge issue until MMA live ends up on tv but there are casual fans who go to ESPN.com that don’t sink into the deeper pool of MMA sites too.

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Mar 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would seem pretty obvious why UFC fighters are getting marginalized by WAMMA – they compete for a promotion which does not believe in open competition. So, for example, their champions are not free to fight the Strikeforce champions because the UFC would never acknowledge or cooperate with a competitor.

by smoogy on Mar 27, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

An that makes Anderson Silva less awesome?

by szucconi on Mar 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that relevant?

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by Eugene Schelfaut on Mar 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is pretty common in the business world, businesses only work together when they both have something to offer the other (the UFC would co-promote with Pride but what does Strikeforce or Affliction have to offer the UFC in business terms?)

Still it doesn’t matter why, if WAMMA can’t treat every single fighter the same regardless of where they fight at then their system doesn’t work.

by who me on Mar 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WAMMA can marginalize UFC fighters all it wants, they don’t give a rat’s ass. What WAMMA needs to do is own up to its own bullshit.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brent, Another hate on WAMMA article? You’ve gotten a lot of mileage on that Lawler vs Lindland title fight quote from the COO. Except it was hypothetical question that expressed one person’s opinion inside the organization and not the organization’s opinion.

by bignerd on Mar 27, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a promotion that did Alvarez v. Aoki for a title, and is about to try to claim Gina v. Cyborg is an undisputed women’s title match. Their motives are clear for anyone that wants to open their eyes. An upset of Anderson Silva would be the best news ever for them because then they could put on some middleweight match for a championship.

by Michael Rome on Mar 27, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two of the top three LW fighters at the time in a title fight. What is wrong with that?

by smoogy on Mar 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That neither of them was #1 perhaps.

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by Richard Wade on Mar 27, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There would be nothing wrong with that if they didn’t ignore numerous 1 vs 2 matches in the UFC in other weight classes.

by Phildo on Mar 28, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, hell they never promoted the Aoki fight or gave him a belt for that matter(or even sent a representative to the event) so what’s the issue of doing that in UFC fights? WAMMA isn’t at all fair to fighters in the UFC for some reason even thought they didn’t have a problem doing a WAMMA title fight with Dream who didn’t recognize WAMMA or their belt either. They are holding the organization against the individual fighters.

by who me on Mar 28, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not hating if the man has valid points..

They “crowned” aoki even if i havent seen dream or even aoki recognize and parade the belt.. Why cant they do that with the upcoming evans vs machida?

and whats the point of ranking the ufc fighters if they are “ineligible” to get the title because they don’t “copromote” (give them cash)..

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 27, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It expressed...

the opinion of the highest ranking members of the organization. The ones who would have the final say. What makes the quote important is that it proves that they are not at all about crowing undisputed champions as there is no way in hell that anyone would have considered the winner an “undisputed” champion. The quote is VERY important as it came directly from them and exposes their practices

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I do realize...

that a lot of people think I talk bad about WAMMA too often but the truth is that I want them exposed and I want them out of the sport. I think they are bad for the sport and I have made it a bit of a personal mission to do my part to try to push them out the door.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’re not alone

by subo on Mar 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will drink to this, they need to own up to their own bullshit.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 27, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With ya all the way.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 27, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shenanigans! I call shenanigans on WAMMA!

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Mar 27, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREEEEEDOMM!!!!!!!

Keep firing Assholes!

by Ubernoober on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

I completely agree w/everything you said about WAMMA.

What I don’t understand is, how MMA Live goes from constantly licking the boots of Dana and the UFC to parading in Miletich and WAMMA and basically saying, “These are the rankings we will use!”

Do the suits at ESPN even really understand what is going on? I can’t wait until they get Pat and KenFlo side-by-side and talk about those LW rankings and why KenFlo can never be the WAMMA champ. That and Franklin McNeil voting for Kimbo to be ranked in WAMMA’s top 10 HWs.

by MyFistYourFace on Mar 27, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good article Brent…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Mar 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When WAMMA creates a belt it devalues the existing belts. They claim to want to bring clarity to the sport while doing the opposite.

by Jahbulon on Mar 27, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

glad reading rob maysey’s stuff got your head out of Wamma’s backside….. you were basically in their hip pocket until he opened your eyes on them….

Mike Goldberg on robnashville:
"His analysis is so analytical"

by robnashville on Mar 27, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are...you...insane?

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sincerely hope you're joking...

but if you’re not…I opened our interviews with them by explaining that I don’t buy into what they’re doing but was willing to hear them out.

Contributing Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.

by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let us not forget about the threatening of a FanPost writer with legal action…that’s in addition to aforementioned transgressions that Brent has lead the way in chronicling since his initial interviews of the pseudo-sanctioning body heads.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 27, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, THAT was a fun thread.

by subo on Mar 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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