USAT/SBN March MMA Consensus Rankings: Heavyweight
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT
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| Rank | Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Fedor Emelianenko | 100 | Affliction | 1 |
| 2 | Josh Barnett | 92 | Affliction | 2 |
| 3 | Andrei Arlovski | 90 | Affliction | 3 |
| 4 | Frank Mir | 89 | UFC | 4 |
| 5 | Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira | 83 | UFC | 5 |
| 6 | Brock Lesnar | 78 | UFC | 6 |
| 7 | Randy Couture | 75 | UFC | 7 |
| 8 | Tim Sylvia | 62 | Affliction | 8 |
| 9 | Alistair Overeem | 58 | DREAM |
10 |
| 10 | Fabricio Werdum | 39 | Unsigned | 11 |
| 11 | Shane Carwin | 38 | UFC | 24 |
| 12 | Gabriel Gonzaga | 32 | UFC | 9 |
| 13 | Mirko Filipovic | 30 | DREAM | 13 |
| 14 | Junior dos Santos | 29 | UFC | 14 |
| 15 | Cheick Kongo | 29 | UFC | 18 |
| 16 | Ben Rothwell | 27 | Adrenaline | 12 |
| 17 | Sergei Kharitonov | 25 | DREAM | 17 |
| 18 | Aleksander Emelianenko | 25 | M-1 Mix-FC | 16 |
| 19 | Antonio Silva | 25 | WVR | 15 |
| 20 | Roy Nelson | 21 | Square Ring Promotions | 19 |
| 21 | Cain Velasquez | 21 | UFC | 21 |
| 22 | Jeff Monson | 19 | Square Ring Promotions | 20 |
| 23 | Paul Buentello | 17 | Affliction | 22 |
| 24 | Heath Herring | 17 | UFC | 23 |
| 25 | Semmy Schilt | 15 | DREAM | 34 |
Rankings compiled by Richard.
The biggest development in this month's chart is the rapid rise of #11 Shane Carwin from #24 following his KO victory over #12 Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96. The undefeated Carwin has certainly established himself as a contender for the UFC title. It will be interesting to see if he has to fight again before he gets a shot, and if so, against whom.
The upper reaches of the heavyweight division are basically on hold until July. A surgery-requiring knee injury sustained by #4 Frank Mir has pushed his UFC title unification bout with #6 Brock Lesnar from UFC 98 on May 23rd to UFC 100 on July 11th.
July 11th could be a virtual national holiday for heavyweight MMA if rumors pan out that Affliction will put putting on its third card on that date. Sadly, it appears that we won't be seeing #1 Fedor Emelianenko face #2 Josh Barnett on that card, instead we would see them both fighting other (lesser) opponents. No word on whether or not #3 Andrei Arlvoski, #8 Tim Sylvia, #16 Ben Rothwell, or #23 Paul Buentello would be included on that card as well.
The losers' bracket of the UFC's four man heavyweight tournament won't be completed until UFC 101 in August at the earliest. That's when a rumored match-up between #5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and #7 Randy Couture could take place.
It appears likely that #9 Alistair Overeem will stay with K-1/DREAM for the time being, but he could very well spend most of this year fighting in K-1 rules matches rather than MMA.
#15 Cheick Kongo will be fighting Antoni Hardonk at UFC 97 on April 18th. Not a fight with huge implications, but a win will keep Kongo's hopes to contend for a title down the road at a slow simmer.
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings.
We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to “normalize” the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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Hardonk not being ranked is a crime.
Carwin’s fixing for a major leap.
$20 says Fedor’s next opponent ain’t on that list.
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McCully isn't ranked
and he beat him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you guys decide on rankings???
In a lot of ways I like the Sherdog system. If you beat someone you have to be above them. In the case of Matt Serra, that’s sorta stupid, but in the case of Shane Carwin, I think it fits.
Most of the time it works itself out within a fight or 2. If someone outside the top 10 beats someone in the top 10, and you put them in, they usually lose their next fight and you can remove them.
by Dexerion on Mar 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They’re a compilation of the rankings from other sites. There’s a whole formula floating around that explains it.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's an explanation on the rankings page
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings.
We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are rankings/opinions no longer like assholes? ;-)
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 25, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now the bigger question is.....
How do you decide who’s rankings to include?
by Dexerion on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this Alistair Overeem guy that fights in Ultimate Glory?
I know of an Overeem that fights in DREAM and is the Strikeforce HW champ.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That argument is already going on in the other thread.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No idea what you’re talking about. That said, Overeem’s most recent fight was in Ultimate Glory.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was just one fight, he has fought the last 3 times with DREAM and is fighitng in K-1 shortly.
I would just think putting DREAM as an organization would make more sense than Ultimate Glory.
Thats just my opinion though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Mar 25, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’ll notice we’ve changed it to reflect that.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was lucky enough to view the USAT/SBN rankings page early without the tables, and I commented that it looked great. Well, with the actual rankings, it looks even better. Great job to everyone involved.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Arlovski is 5-3 in his last 8 fights, hardly inspiring. Hes top 10 not top 3.
Barnett has recent wins over Yvel, Rizzo (2-3 last 5 fights) and Monson. I would say hes Top 10 not top 3 as well.
Fedor is still a man among boys.
The people at MMA ELO have some crazy rankings.
by Riney on Mar 25, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While i agree and disagree with you, the problem is, if not them, then who?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
1) Fedor – No contest
2) Mir – Only cause of the victories over Big Nog and Lesnar look awesome compared to other top 10 fighters.
3) Lesnar – Hes a monster on a roll since losing to Mir.
3a) Nog – I just don’t see the people under him beating him.
5) Barnett – Only until Carwin implodes a few more top 15 guys.
After 5 Its a mess. You can basically take 6-15 and make cases for or against any of them.
by Riney on Mar 25, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree with you, but I would probably await the winner of Mir/Lesner to put in that slot of 2or3. And then, where does the loser end up?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the outcome of the fight. If Lesnar gets subbed in the 1st or Mir gets his headed knocked off in the 1st then they drop into the dreaded 6-15. If its a 4-5 round war then the loser maybe drops to 4 or 5.
Lesnar loses a war he drops to 5 and Barnett moves up 1. Mir loses a war then he and Lesnar switch places. He stays ahead of both Nog and Barnett. I would rather reward Mir for going 2-1 against top 5 than punish him for the level of competition.
by Riney on Mar 25, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these 2 guys fight a 4-5 round war, I say we make them, with fedor, 1a, 1b and 1c, lol. I definitely see either of your first 2 scenarios coming to fruition, at least in the 1st or 2nd round.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally i tend to agree with you
but heavyweight’s one of those divisions in flux. The old PRIDE guard of Cro Cop, Big Nog, etc has fallen but the new UFC class of Lesnar, Mir, Carwin, etc haven’t convinced everyone.
Fighting Fedor seems to be a ticket to the near top since the fall of Big Nog.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You used to list where you get your rankings – eliminating the competition?
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Mar 25, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they're listed on the rankings page
we’re trying to figure out how to present all the info in the new format. please bear with us as we figure out the best way to present the info in new formats and to a new and expanded audience.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okey-Dokey
You should change your sig now to “the USA Today-appointed savior of MMA”
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who in their right mind would pick Sylvia,AA, Werdum over Carwin on any given night
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pick them over him in a fight or pick their accomplishments over his?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean rankings take in conflicting critera!?!?!?
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me. Oh wait, you said in a right mind.
Seriously, i want Carwin to do well, but I think GG blue that fight.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy your use of the color blue as a verb.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C’mon now, you know I was setting up my Tobias picture.
“I just blue myself”
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO ranking should be a rating of the best fighters not the most accomplished. A good deal of Carwin’s skill is still up for debate or more likely guess. However there might not be anyone in the HW division who can take a solid shot from him. I think he would kill any of the three guys I mentioned.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AA, is just as likely to KO Carwin (albeit not in mid air) as it is the other way around, imo. Werdum can sub him from anywhere and I refuse to talk about Sylvia, lol.
I see AA or Werdum as a 50/50 proposition right now, which is why I wouldn’t have a problem picking them.
Sylvia I would probably agree with you on.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do we measure skill reliably but by accomplishment, though?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By how awesome someone seems.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“reliably”
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe your radar for awesomeness is not as reliable as mine.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point for the monkey.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 25, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but he’ll have to win one more (or watch others lose) for now
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a statistical NIGHTMARE
When these rankings were just used for this website, they served their purpose. Now that they are being used for a MAJOR publication, they need to be examined further.
1. Needs to only be Top 10. This ranking is pulled from 22 different rankings. Of those, only 6 have a full Top 25. That gives too much weight to too few rankings for the lower ranked fighters. One simple outliar can mean a fighter is ranked much higher then he should be.
2. People voting twice needs to stop. Sam Caplan votes for WAMMA, and he also votes for Fiveouncesofpain. He basically gets more then one vote. How is that fair? His opinion is being weighted higher then other individuals not because of the strength of his opinion, but the quantity of his rankings. I’m sure there is more then just him who this pertains to.
3. WAMMA should not be included. They have specific affiliations with specific organizations that could (and does) shift their rankings. It made them put the winner of Aoki/Alvarez at the #1 spot, despite BJ Penn being ranked #1 at the time. Basically, no ranking system that has any sort of affiliation should be included.
Like I said before, when it was just this site doing this, it was a nice read. Now that USA Today is picking it up, there needs to be more integrity into how these rankings are done. And the 3 points I made above show HUGE holes in the system that need to be fixed for it to even get to a level of credibility.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 25, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The first problem is currently corrected for by the normalization number.
The second problem doesn’t strike me as a real problem.
The third problem is debatable.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. The normalization thing still doesn’t work. Whether or not all of the rankings give out the same number of points, there are still 14 rankings that only put in 10 names into this list…. 1 that puts in 11….. 1 that puts in 15…. And 6 that put in 25.
There are barely over 33% of the rankings that divulge into the lower half. Not to mention that the one’s ranking that far down aren’t even the most credible one’s on the list.
2. So one person getting more then one vote isn’t an issue? Are you serious?
3. No ranking should have any afflication. It llows for corruptability. Just like boxing rankings.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a total of 19 votes, I cast them by using a very precise level of subliminal messaging in the daily lives of the people with final votes/decisions.
Also I like the new words that you are using.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…must…vote…against…hughes…
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Mar 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the spirit of new words…
My anti Matt Hughes suggestion is liminal rather than subliminal.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 25, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caplan might also vote on MMA Playground. That gives him three. Maybe he logs into TAGG Radio, too. That’d make four.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAMMA! BE should hand out belts and rings! That would be awesome, lol!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, your tone amuses me.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does everyone not know that rankings in about every sport are not taken as gospel?
There is no way to make a definitive ranking that will ring true every time. It is just for fun, a reasonable guideline and to promote fights and to generate interest.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fairness?
The fact that Caplan has gotten himself in a position where his opinion counts for that much speaks for itself. The dude has a big megaphone. We’re just trying to capture a picture of what the MMA community thinks at any given time.
Hate to break it to you — since your mom didn’t apparently — but life’s not fair.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s your reply? That life isn’t fair? I am pointing out an issue with your rankings… And that is your comeback? That’s funny.
I don’t know. If my rankings were being published by USA Today, I would want them as accurate as possible. But who am I… lol
by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
we’ve been working on these for over a year. Now that we’ve been annointed by the gods at USAT you decide to take them seriously.
the guys at FightMatrix, whom we respect immensely, helped us come up with the normalization scheme and its statistically valid.
But you seem to be missing the fundamental premise of the metas, to capture a snapshot in time of how the MMA community at large views the standings of the divisions. I personally don’t believe there is any such thing as an “accurate” ranking. They’re all subjective.
Their value is to spur discussion and keep a handy list of fighters for reference. No more no less.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys can catch my rankings here
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Mar 25, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is obama hiding from america ? That’s not his ears that’s for sure.
by spectaa on Mar 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Integrity” isn’t the right word – these rankings are morally upstanding, if that’s possible. “Rigorousness” is better – it implies a finer combing of the data.
I do agree with your point about WAMMA. They unfairly exclude UFC fighters, and besides, they’re allied with that evil ESPN!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Mar 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnett
Do people really think Josh Barnett is the #2 HW in the world? C’mon he’s 5-2 in his last 7 His only legit wins are against Big Nog, Hep Russian, and Fat Samoan and that makes you #2 in the whole frickin world? He struggled finishing Gilbert Yvel for fucksake. People who make these rankings, I have a message for you : Stop smoking the Barnett crackpipe!
by Sokonojudo on Mar 25, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not because you decided to give them funny names that they, all of a sudden, began to be bad competition. Whatever, I was going to ask for more competion for Kongo, I’m tired of seeing him fight people that leads him nowhere near a title.
by spectaa on Mar 25, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Barnett bubble
has a few sources, the main one being he’s widely seen as Fedor’s biggest challenger. Even Patrick Cote got a big bump in the months leading up to his bout with Anderson Silva. There’s a gravitational pull about a big title shot.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think we’ll see a devaluation now that he’s ducked his responsibilities as #1 contender to the Candyland belt?
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference here is that Cote never was a top middleweight in any real sense, meanwhile Barnett has been among the best at HW for years now
All this “ooh he struggled with Yvel” crap and whining about his recent competition is meaningless. Barnett is still an active fighter who has done more than virtually every one of his peers minus Fedor. If you aren’t a fan of his current career path, that’s fine, but its a pretty shoddy excuse to undervalue him. Guys like Mir and Lesnar and whoever else you might want to put up there haven’t shown a fraction of the staying power that Barnett has
by smoogy on Mar 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current ranking doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with “staying power.”
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on accomplishments and skill
Would you take Mir over Barnett? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Mir got beat down by a mediocre LHW. At least in Barnett’s losses Mirko was on top of the world at the time. Also Barnett beat a more prime version of Randy than Lesnar did when he beat Randy coming off a year layoff and looking like crap.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way Mir looked in his last fight I would give him a very good chance to beat Barnett
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 26, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but look at how Nog fought more than anything
Nog developed a case of china chin and his reflexes and movement were too slow to get out of the way of the same horrible offbalance combination used ad nauseum. More a case of Nog looking HORRIBLE than Mir looking good. Once you’re chinny its time to go. Nog needs to face Randy and retire.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Mar 26, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So of course Mir should get no credit...
by Razreshat on Mar 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it’s not like he beat Gilbert Yvel. He only be Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 26, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard and Nate, congrats on USA Today...but....
TIM SYLVIA IS STILL IN THE TOP TEN?!! WTF??
by Gunslinger20 on Mar 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as always
we blame everyone else.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Mar 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so.............
If Ray Mercer beats him (pending they ever fight), does he take his place in the top ten? Tim Sylvia still being in any ranking escapes logic at this point so, why not?
by Gunslinger20 on Mar 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This poll is unfair
I don’t think it is fair to the guys in this poll to have Fedor as #1. You are comparing apples to oranges. Obviously, Fedor needs another poll and division all to himself.
This is like saying “well, you are only #2 b/c Mars, the god of war, could kill you”.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Mar 26, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t even tell if you’re serious or not. If it’s a troll, well done. If it’s sarcasm, apparently I’m oblivious.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he’s being facetious.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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