Fickett Falls, MMAA Rises: News and Analysis
Promoted from the FanPosts by Kid Nate.
First, the news (courtesy of MMA Mania):
Over the weekend, at the 4 Bears Casino and Lodge ("4 miles west of New Town, ND" - yeah, but where the heck is that?), an MMA card by the name of Beatdown 4 was held. It featured UFC vets Branden Lee Hinkle, and everyone's favourite internet wordsmith, the immortal Drew Fickett. Many would assume that fighters good enough to have danced on the big stage would mop the floor with regional guys; many would be wrong.
Hinkle, best known as the guy who beat up Sean Gannon at UFC 55 (and subsequently got demolished by Jeff Monson), actually appeared to be the underdog heading into his match. His opponent, Chris Tuchscherer, came in as a 15-1 legitimate heavyweight. His lone loss is unfortunately one that (a very few) people remember him from: he was decisioned by Travis Wiuff as part of the YAMMA debacle. But that aside, Tuchscherer has some skill, is a big man and trains with the suddenly-relevant Minnesota Martial Arts Academy (MMAA). He stopped this one in the 4th round, winning by TKO to run his record to 16-1 (6 subs, 6 T/KOs).
In the co-main event, Fickett, most recently in the news for dropping fights like flies and getting into giant pissing contests with promoters on the internet, dropped a decision to Nik Lentz, who also trains out of the MMAA, and who moved to 15-3 with the win. More on this after the jump.
Now the analysis:
For a small-scale regional show, there sure are a number of interesting story lines here. Let's skip Hinkle losing by TKO, because it is simply not all that surprising; he's shown to be a journeyman talent on his best days, but he's a throw back (like most Hammer House guys) to the days when you could win an MMA match by wrestling hard and being tough. That those days are long gone is news to no one outside of Hammer House. But in relevant news...
Fickett Loses Again
The graph attached to this fanpost by JCS_FM (which was my inspiration for writing this post in the first place) now has a new low point, and shows the shocking decline of Fickett. I think we are at the point with Fickett, much like with Ken Shamrock, that he has stopped being a punchline and almost become a punching bag. A rather limp one. It's too easy to beat on him, and the fun has gone.
Let's keep in mind, here, that his opponent, Nik Lentz, is no world-beater. This isn't a young guy out of nowhere who will set the world on fire in the future. Nick Lentz is the definition of a middle-of-the-road fighter. (This is not to bash Nik Lentz. I mean, he has 15 more victories than I do.) Fickett, on the other hand, was at one time one of the highest regarded welterweights in the game. He is responsible for one of only three losses on Kenny Florian's record, defeated Josh Neer and Josh Koscheck in the UFC, and beat Dennis Hallman back when it still meant something. Flat out, Fickett is too talented to be losing to Nik Lentz at a backroads casino show in North Dakota.
MMAA Represents
Suddenly, people are talking about the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy as a legitimate, or even top-tier, camp. Brock Lesnar turned a lot of heads when he refused to leave Minnesota for his training camp coming up to his bout with Randy Couture. The general impression was that Minnesota simply did not have the resources to put on a good camp, either in terms of expertise or in terms of simple numbers of actively training fighters. How quickly people forget that, pre-Greg Jackson, no one was flooding Albequerque to brush up on their fight game...
Fightlinker has a piece (that quotes the Wertheim article over at SI) that talks about Brock's reclusiveness, and his willingness to bring top talent to him. It's absolutely true, too: prior to the Lesnar-Couture fight, trainers in my neighbourhood (Victoria, British Columbia) were getting calls offering to be flown down to Alexandria, Minnesota (not a direct flight, I imagine) to be part of Lesnar's camp. One of the side-effects of this that hasn't been mentioned is that those experts are bringing up the quality and capacity of training at the MMAA generally. Unlike in free market economics, this rising tide does seem to be raising all boats. There is a small but building buzz around Tuchscherer and some of the other prospects at the MMAA, though we have yet to see how much is also the hype that Lesnar brings with him.
Of course, Lesnar is not the only name fighter at the MMAA. Sean Sherk, Kaitlin Young, Nick Thompson and Brock Larson have all been training there for some time. But is just seems like Lesnar has brought some new life - and some new coaches - to the old "caveman workout" pioneered by the Muscle Shark. To be sure, wrestling will remain the forte of the MMAA, but Lesner is a "name" champion in the UFC, a massive draw who is up against a ton of pressure for someone so new to MMA. So long as his camp keeps pulling out all the stops to bring in the best trainers that they can find, all of the pros (and amateurs) at the Minnesota Martial Arts Academy will benefit. Tuchscherer is likely to become one example of a guy who really benefits from the new blood in town, especially given that he is the same general size and shape (read: massive) as Lesnar and is said to be one of his regular training partners. Add in the recent evidence of Sherk's willingness to strike and improved stand-up ability, and maybe it's time to consider that maybe MMAA really has made the leap to the top tier of training. I might even have been too hard on Nik Lentz. War Carnie.
Edit: New information courtesy of Nick Thompson (see comments). Apparently it's the same crew of coaches and trainers as before at MMAA, but that still doesn't change the buzz I'm hearing about that camp becoming a real force and the fighters at MMAA elevating to the next level generally. Which just begs the question: what's changed? I suppose we'll just have to wait and see...
What the Heck is the "SNBCMMA"?
via www.snbcmma.com
Aside from a very messy acronym, that is. Apparently, the fight between Tuchscherer and Hinkle was for the SNMMA Heavyweight Title. If you are anything like me, your first thought was, "Oh great, another WAMMA." However, I was pleasantly surprised to see that "SNMMA" stands for "Sovereign Nations Mixed Martial Arts", while SNBCMMA is the awkward shorthand for a pseudo-athletic council that seeks to work towards improving and promoting boxing and MMA shows held on Indian reserves (or "reservations" for those in the USA). Huh. Now that's something to think about.
(Caution: read the rest ony if you're interested in commentary on the ins and outs of holding MMA events on reserves.)
In my other, other life (not the one where I get paid for being a research analyst for the government, but rather that of the aspiring academic), I'm a political theorist focusing on Indigenous peoples' issues and conflicts with neo-colonialism (I hear you yawning). This sort of development nicely wraps my two major interests together in one package. So, my (very brief) opinion on this: it has the potential to be a very good thing.
So long as reserves are exempt from many laws, they will continue to both provide the opportunity to put on smaller shows which feature newer or lower-tier fighters, as well as the opportunity for unscrupulous promoters to put on half-assed shows without athletic commission interference. The fact is that the majority of reserve communities simply do not have the infrastructure to put on a show by themselves, even if they have a facility. And those that do have the capacity - mostly those with casinos, including the 4 Bears (where this event was held) and River Rock Casino (in Alberta, home to most MFC events) - may still be open to low standards due to ignorance of the MMA game or to being manipulated by promoters. When a fighter was shot in the leg following a show at a reserve just outside of Vancouver about a year ago, many people immediately pointed at the reserve officials for failing to provide proper security. But this failure was only part of the problem; this argument ignores the epidemic level of violent gang activity on many reserves, ignores the poverty that prevents the deployment of full police forces or athletic commissions, and ignores that most tribal politics are incredibly small-scale meaning that band councils (tribal councils for the Yanks) are notoriously trusting of ventures that purport to bring money to the community for low investment. And no one at all talked about the outside business people who show up, cash in hand, and confidently tell the councils about the giant piggy bank that is MMA, without mentioning the difficulty of properly promoting and hosting a card. Something needs to be done to address this, because reserves have long played host to boxing matches, and MMA events are increasing in frequency on reserves across Canada and the USA.
It is constitutionally and legally impossible to impose state, province or regional athletic commission authority on reserves. I believe it is also ethically undesirable, but that's another argument; the simple fact is that reserves are bureaucratic "islands", largely disconnected from the surrounding jurisdictions. This leaves them in a regulatory vaccuum, and the nature of the North American political system is one that abhors a vaccum. The ideal solution would be for voluntary compliance with accepted protocols for putting on an MMA event - having enough medical staff on hand, pre-fight medical testing, post-fight drug testing, use of the unified rules, and so on - and for transparency in this regard. Voluntary compliance requires someone, whether motivated by pride, profit, or the need for something to do on a Sunday afternoon, to step up and pursue the issue. It also requires cooperation across band/tribal lines, because the only thing more frequently lacking than the capacity to put on top-shelf shows is the experience of doing so, and you simply cannot legislate that. SNBCMMA may be trying to accomplish this. Here are the Mission Statement and Vision Statement taken from their website:
Mission Statement:
The mission of the Sovereign Nations Boxing Council (SNBC) is to develop, promote and regulate the sport of boxing in a fair and professional manner to federally recognized tribes. (SNBC) will provide all participants involved with professional boxing the respect, moral and ethical treatment expected from a professional organization that is dedicated to serve as a role model for the great sport of boxing. (SNBC) will develop and oversee a
fair and ethical ranking system along with titleholders. Sovereign Nations Boxing Council brings to light the fact that tribes are sovereign nations and will re-enforce that fact throughout the existence of the (SNBC). (SNBC) is committed to serving the communities and advancing the lives and economic situation of all Native people, as well as, all professional boxers in a positive and professional manner.
Vision Statement:
(SNBC) seeks to become a major professional boxing organization uniting native tribes within the sporting community all the while maintaining its mission statement. (SNBC) is determined to have titleholders and rankings parallel with the established world boxing organizations. The (SNBC) will set up a crises fund to aid the professional boxers that are part of the (SNBC) with assistance to the best of its ability. Develop an annual convention to address recommended changes in rules and regulations for (SNBC) and participants. The annual convention will also serve as training grounds for potential boxing judges, referees, commissioners, promoters, and casinos entering the sport of boxing or MMA.
(The website also features several sections and statements directed specifically towards MMA.)
If mission and vision statements were worth money, the SNBCMMA would already be rich. As of now, there are only two or three partners in this scheme (none in Canada, contrary to hopes of the SNBCMMA), so it's impossible to say whether or not there is any potential here. But one can hope. I plan on making some phone calls and doing a full length article on reserves, regulation and MMA in the near future, and these guys will hopefully feature prominently. Unless they choose not to talk to me, which will tell me something too... I'm not getting my hopes up for now, but at least the idea looks good.
That's a lot of analysis.
All that from a small town show in North Dakota. There's no such thing as a slow news day in MMA!
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Yeah man, Tuchscherer is legit
I was really pissed when he took part in YAMMA. I was upset to see him lose.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 24, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only real problem I see for Tuchscherer is that he doesn’t fit the mold that the UFC wants. He might get a shot, but his overall ability to maul peoplee on the floor without being an impressive finisher doesn’t help his stock.
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by Leland Roling on Mar 25, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, 12 finishes in 15 wins may be a slightly deceptive stat in Tuchscherer’s case, but he does finish most of his fights. I think that he’s got the tools to finish (either by submission if an opponent gets sloppy, or by g’n’p if the opponent goes defensive), but he needs to be more controlled, take his time, and calculate. If he could start baiting opponents, using his size and strength to make guys desperate and then capitalizing, he could be a really good heavyweight. He definitely needs to clean up his standup, but it never has to be his primary weapon. I like his tools. I may just decide to mark out for him for a while. I haven’t bandwagoned for a non-mainstream fighter for a while and I think I’m due…
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good choice.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool stuff
But the ragging on Lentz is a bit much. Not everyone is bound for the UFC, and having seen him fight on more than one occasion, I can personally attest that the kid has a lot of heart and likely has more to tell his future grandkids than that he stood next to Jeff Monson. He’s not fighting name guys; he fights locally here in Minnesota. Totally different criteria.. Otherwise, though, great info. I’m obviously always happy to see Minnesota MMA representation in the news, on blogs and in the ring/octagon.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 24, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you know what? I got caught up thinking I was witty. It actually detracted from my point. Stupid and deleted.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I wanted to say I was thinking about this a bit further and realized: this is why people who get paid to write also have editors. It’s amazing the amount of assholic stuff that can come out of a person’s mouth/brain without them even realizing it. I consider myself a good self editor, but I read this thing over four times before posting and that part didn’t seem out of place till you pointed it out. In lieu of an editor, it’s good to know the BE community always keeps everyone honest.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to rec this despite the subtle jab at free market economics which I completely disagree with. This action should display what a good guy I am despite my capitalist tendencies.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 24, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know; no politics. I just don’t have a television, so my pop culture analogies suck. I’m a super nerd.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My issue isn’t that it’s political, but that it’s wrong.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a cranky pessimist. I’m pretty sure everything is wrong.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd with a vengeance
Lesnar has raised the prominence of the camp a lot, but I shudder to think what would’ve happened if he didn’t have a former UFC champ (who also happens to be an amazing wrestler that’s gigantic for his weight class) running a camp in his backyard. I think it probably played a big part in his decision to take up MMA, what with abhorring airplane travel and all.
by subo on Mar 24, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, and Sean Sherk is not a bag guy to be training with. Not just his fitness regimine, but also his application of it to MMA, are top notch. I think that if anything, the focus on bringing Lesnar up to speed has only helped diversify Sherk’s game. I expect him to be a key person in that camp for a long time and also to look good in the cage.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he meant Dave Menne
There are three current or former UFC Champs at MMAA. Ahem… :)
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
headdesk There’s always one that you miss…
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really cool piece. Especially the section analyzing NA reserve policy in regards to MMA.
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by Rundownloser on Mar 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been hearing more and more about tribal groups forming a super-commish.
Just spoke to a promoter (actually, the promoter of that show in which you mentioned someone was shot in the leg) and he seems to think it’s coming hard.
Another reason it needs to – some athletic commissions are talking about suspending fighters that take part in reserve shows, saying the standards aren’t high enough. Good reason for the native commissions to make sure their act is super-clean.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 25, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well written.
Re: Sherk’s improved standup
Keep in mind he’s been boxing for 10 years. Can MMAA improve someone’s standup? Yes they can. Can they do it in less than a decade? …Maybe.
by Simco on Mar 25, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s why you take BJJ, Muay Thai and their MMA cross training program (which drills wrestling, or at least did when I went there), then come train boxing at Uppercut in NE Minneapolis. :)
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge point, but I’d say it’s his willingness to trade and to integrate that section of his game with the others.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I wanted to say that, but instead I plugged Uppercut.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike in free market economics, this rising tide does seem to be raising all boats.
Uh… stick to fights. You’re no economist.
by toxic on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy, no one wants to laugh about the economy these days, do they?
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So hard they start to cry
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The current economic woes are not the result of a free market.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys take economics so seriously that it’s just killing me. I promise to never make any kind of an economic reference again.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. We just like to rain on people’s parades. Don’t take it the wrong way. You’re a class act for a guy without a TV.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks; the gun-toting lunatics who live in the woods give the rest of us a bad name.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t get me started on how there’s nothing wrong with toting guns or living in the woods.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my lunacy has nothing to do with my guns and my soft spot for the outdoors.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, there isn’t. In fact, most of my friends do both, and I know I would if I had time. It’s the whole “Let’s form a militia in preparation for the end times!” thing that throws me off…
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the whole "Let’s form a militia in preparation for the end times!" thing that throws me off…
That’s a funny little quote.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… This conversation sure went a weird angle. I didn’t forsee myself typing anything like that when I woke up this morning.
Back to the MMA, then?
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose discussing MMA would be the prudent course of action, but I have to admit the tangent was fun.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll try to supply some more tangent worthy material in the future, CJ. But no economics.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just annoying to see some really ignorant bullshit tossed into an article like it was a witty aside.
by toxic on Mar 25, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, look: I’m not completely ignorant of economics, nor is it a point completely without merit (ie, bullshit). But that’s neither here nor there. I thought it was a funny tongue-in-cheek lob that would keep that part of the article from getting too dry. I thought it was fairly obvious that it was just a stylistic softy. Jacques, Richard and I ended up having a very fun, odd aside from it. It’s not possible to write anything that appeals to everyone’s tastes, but I also wasn’t looking for a debate on the issue, otherwise I’d go off with my (educated and experienced) arguments every time a point got made on the business side of MMA, regardless of how central it is to the discussion.
C’mon, man. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar; just because it’s not a position you believe or support, doesn’t make it bullshit; and sometimes stuff like that is just stylistic and not worth arguing about. I’ve already said I won’t mention economics anymore. LAY OFF.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax man. I didn’t agree with the comment if you take it literally, but he has a right to his opinion and the right to throw in a “witty aside.” AJB has been a heck of a nice guy on this site. You’re welcome to disagree with him, but keep it polite, please.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty much everybody’s fault from what I can gather.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 25, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah – some by active participation (the bastards that got rich), some by looking the other way (the government). Capitalism only works when regulated by a strong federal government.
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear. The government didn’t look the other way. They instructed banks to make bad loans.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Mar 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did not instruct the creation of the default credit swap market. The bad loans sucked – it was the betting on the bad loans (and the fraudulent insurance on said loans) that killed us.
by subo on Mar 25, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the default swaps isn’t in the idea but in the execution. They should be done on an exchange where the contracts are standardized and thus fungible. That kind of shit doesn’t happen at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange; they’ve been in existence for a long time. The government has encouraged extending loans to people that aren’t necessarily creditworthy. Diminishing their role would be a mistake. I don’t really want to get any closer to some kind of political discussion.
by Cannon Jacques on Mar 25, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tuchscherer has a loss to Josh Hendricks as well in a fight that was turned into a no contest because of Hendricks testing positive for marijuana.
by penxv on Mar 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
I saw that NC on their records, but couldn’t find any details of it after a quick search.
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Lentz and MMAA
Good article but I have two critical comments.
First, I know that you admitted that you were overly critical of Lentz but I would like to briefly address said issue. Nik is a primary training partner for myself, Sherk, Noble and Volkman. He has a great work ethic and is very talented. It is true that he is a journeyman but he did his journeying before finding MMAA and is undefeated since then. He will be a stud in a major organization in the near future.
Second, Brock hasn’t brought any coaches to MMAA that I am aware of. Brock’s success is due to his ability and the coaching staff that was already in place – the same coaches that produced UFC champions Sherk and Menne.
by nick thompson on Mar 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Nick, thank you very much for taking the time to post here and bringing some new facts to the conversation. I feel really bad about bagging on Lentz; it was uncalled for, and Fickett’s situation speaks for itself regardless. If/when he becomes a stud, I’ll be the first person on his bandwagon.
Also, you’re the first person I’ve heard say that there haven’t been new/guest coaches brought in, but you’re also the first person I’ve heard from directly who actually trains at MMAA, so thank you for clearing that up. It’s obvious that the team down there is very good, and for whatever reason, it’s getting noticed now. Better late than never? I don’t want to attribute the increased appraisal of MMAA just to having another big name in the house; I’ve been very impressed with the overall results of your camp lately. Do you see an improvement of some kind in the training there – that is, something new that could account for a general elevation? Or is it just perception?
PS: I’m a huge fan. Garsh…
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by AJB on Mar 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s been some looseness with the implication that he “brought coaches in” because he’s done so privately and not at MMAA. He trained for the Couture fight in Alexandria with the likes of Comprido. That’s probably the confusion..
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree though I think it should be noted that Comprido and Feitossa come in for a week or two. While I do not mean to belittle their role in helping our guys train, I don’t know that I would call them coaches in the same sense as Greg Nelson or Marty Morgan are. Further, it should also be noted that MMAA has always brought guys like these in for seminars. I think it is just being noticed more now because people are watching MMAA generally.
by nick thompson on Mar 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that MMAA has improved since I first started there 3 years ago. I think the causes are primarily two fold.
First, there is a snowballing/critical mass effect. Sherk and Larson were already at MMAA when I came. Because of training with those two studs, I liked it at MMAA and told Noble to come up to train for a week. He comes up and like training with us three. He then moves to MMAA. Now when the next guy comes in, he is training with four world class guys and is more likely to move and join MMAA, etc., etc.
Second, the sport has blown up in the last three years. This means we are going to be seeing more athletes, and especially wrestlers, trying mma. The U of M is one of the best collegiate wrestling schools in the country and because of mma’s popularity, is now feeding into our school. That is going to be a boon for any school. This is how we got guys like Volkman (if you haven’t heard of him, you will). This in turn feeds the snowball effect addressed above.
Nick
by nick thompson on Mar 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really excited about Jacob’s prospects, and you’re right on about the U of M wrestling program. Coupled with the quality of MMAA’s coaches, and the various in-house Top 25 and current and former champions on board, it’s no wonder that it is more highly recognized today than MFS (which anyone would have thought impossible five years ago), making it the mostly highly regarded school in the Upper Midwest. While we’re on the subject; has Konrad been actively training of late? I haven’t heard much about him since he trained with Lesnar for the Couture fight.
Also, congrats on the Strikeforce deal. You’ve got a big following here at BE that were rooting you on for the Daley fight.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone
I’m not sure this is Nick Thompson. A) the email registered on the site is not the one I’ve used to contact him in the past and b) he’s normally VERY jovial when posting on the UG.
Nick, if this is you, then I’ll gladly accept the role of donkey. But I need to verify that it’s you. I’m going to email you.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 26, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry…had to do it ^^;
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Mar 27, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Luke, would you be jovial if you were coming to contradict some wannabe writer who slammed your teammate and attributed the success of your camp to the guy who showed up 18 months ago? I doubt it!!!
(gotta laugh at yourself)
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes sense. And I often forget the wrestling component and how it can benefit a camp being located near a good wrestling school, because we just don’t have those up here. In Canada, a good camp is located in a place where there’s a lot of good kickboxing or BJJ people, and you have to go farther afield to find wrestlers to train/train with.
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U of M = Perennial Collegiate Wrestling Top 5
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
For being The Goat.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 25, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be honored to turn that comment green.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 26, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man it is so sad to see what Fickett has become the guy has a ton of talent yet he has become a loose cannon that needs to stop fighting for a while and get his stuff together.
by Raker on Mar 25, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AJB
Like ten edits, four ass reamings and one Goat later— was it worth it?
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, it’s always a conversation. I put out what I think. I’m happy to be wrong if someone else knows more than me, and happy to have a conversation with anyone else who has an opinion. I’ll edit and re-edit to reflect what I learn along the way, which is one of the GREAT things about a blog (it’s not static), and I honestly, at this point, it’s everyone else doing the hard work of bringing new thoughts into a framework that someone else (me, in this case) created. All I’m doing is sitting back and learning. So, yeah, very much worth it.
And the Goat is the shiz, man. I can’t believe he commented in a post I started. That’s like… the closest I’ve ever been to a famous person!
And I only edited three times.
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was certainly a good post and a good conversation. And Nick Thompson jumping in and commenting is fun stuff too.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 26, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Thompson FTW! I’m a big fan of the Goat. Were I ever to compete in MMA, I think I’d have to fight as “The Llama” as a tribute.
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I was embellishing. Just wanted to make sure you haven’t been discouraged, because I enjoyed this post a great deal. Keep it up d00d…
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I got discouraged by being wrong, I’d sit in my house all day and play video games. I’m wrong a lot. You either learn to admit it, roll with it and benefit from it, or you give up. Giving up sucks.
Thanks for the encouragement!
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm never wrong
Women love that.
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm never right
I’m married.
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by AJB on Mar 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder you took all that shit like a champ
I would have left it alone and had a 200 comment thread quarreling with all opposers. And yes, I’m happily single. Hahaha
"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry
by Blackout612 on Mar 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fickett
Not a surprise about Fickett. While he has talent, he is also so full of himself that he has burned many bridges in both Phoenix and Tucson. If he wasn’t such an A-hole to everybody then maybe someone would have tried to keep him from going down. I believe in Karma and Fickett is getting his just reward from having treated so many people with disrespect. It’s too bad since he had/has? the potential to be the #1 Welterweight in the world…
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