Pro Wrestling Changed Brock Lesnar
by Nate Wilcox on Mar 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT
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Showing what a good writer can do, Jon Wertheim boils down the entire narrative arc of Brock Lesnar's rise and fall as a wrestler in three concise paragraphs:
With a rippling physique, obvious athleticism and a willingness to play the heel, Lesnar (a.k.a. the Next Big Thing) quickly ascended the WWE organizational chart. And like many who, barely out of adolescence, come into wealth overnight, he lived like a rock star. His Calvinist Upper Midwest ethic vanished: As he made more and more money, he bought houses, planes, gadgets and more vehicles than he could keep track of. "It definitely wasn't the same down-to-earth Brock I knew," says Marty Morgan, a friend who, as a wrestling assistant at Minnesota in the '90s, had recruited Lesnar. "He went from being an athlete to being in show business."
Within a few years Lesnar was beefing with The Rock and busting The Undertaker's hand with a propane tank. (For good measure he began dating Rena Mero, better known by her nom de ring, Sable.) In a memorable match in Wrestlemania XIX, Lesnar faced off against another former NCAA wrestling champion, Kurt Angle. After climbing the turnbuckle, Lesnar botched a "shooting star press" move and landed on his head. Thanks to some deft improv work by Angle, the concussed Lesnar still won.
For someone with Lesnar's taste for honest competition, the prearranged outcomes in the WWE were frustrating. "I'd put on the best damn show I could, and that's where the competition came from," he says. "If I couldn't beat you, I wanted to outperform you. But that gets old." So too did the 250 nights a year on the road. "It's a traveling f------ circus," Lesnar says with an ursine growl. "At first I enjoyed it, but I wasn't born to be a pro wrestler. You spread yourself so thin, you end up bitter."
Wertheim's whole profile of Lesnar at SI is well worth a read.
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His Calvinist Upper Midwest ethic vanished: As he made more and more money, he bought houses, planes, gadgets and more vehicles than he could keep track of
I was under the impression that even the highest end draws in wrestling only made 2-3 million per year and Lesner wasn’t making that for most if not all of his wrestling career. How did he buy a plane?
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
his contract was for $45 million over 7 years
so it must have been a fairly small and/or old plane.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
The $45 million contract is a myth
And not a new one. Brock Lesnar’s contract was for $1 million a year. Likely that was just the downside guarantee, but bonuses and incentives would’ve doubled it at the most. It wasn’t anywhere close to a $6.4 million a year contract.
There’s another article up on Wrestlers turned MMA:
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/gallery/featured/GAL1153585/1/index.htm?bcnn=yes
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
He made a ton of money that was offered to him right out of college (when MMA in the states was still banned, I believe) and then moved into pure athletic competition. Oh, and he’s never tested positive for steroids.
by Derek Suboticki on Mar 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Other people who never tested positive for steroids: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolph Lundgren, Sylvester Stallone.
I’m SURE they’ve never done steroids either.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Sidebar: Have you read Dolph’s bio? He would be pretty much the most impossible big brother to live up to ever. From wiki:
A native of Stockholm, Lundgren holds a 3rd Dan (3rd Degree Black Belt) in Kyokushin Karate. He won the European championships in 1980 and 1981 as well as a heavyweight tournament in Australia in 1982.4 He was also captain of the Swedish Kyokushin Karate team, and was a formidable challenger at the 1979 World Open Tournament (arranged by the Kyokushin Karate Organization) when he was only a green belt.[citation needed] In addition to kyokushin karate Lundgren has also studied fencing, boxing, judo, goju-ryu, and taekwondo.
Dolph Lundgren graduated from the Royal Institute of Technology. He has a master’s degree in chemical engineering from the University of Sydney (1982), and was awarded a Fulbright Scholarship to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1983 – but quit after two weeks to pursue acting.5 He speaks over five languages: Swedish, English, German, French, Spanish, some Japanese, and some Italian, but is not fluent in all of them.6 He has two sisters and a younger brother named Johan who reside in Sweden.6
Lundgren completed his mandatory military service in his native Sweden at the Amphibious Ranger School. He left this elite marine unit (Kustjägarna) with the rank of conscript corporal.
That was all before his acting career started and he helped train the U.S. pentathlon team at the Atlanta games.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
Dolph Lundgren’s movie Bridge of Dragons is the greatest thing in the history of art. It defines the phrase “must see”.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 24, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY
DING. DING. DING.
He did steroids when he was an actor.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Absolutely impeccable logic. Naming 3 guys who never tested positive for steroids, who all have never actually taken steroids tests, is somehow evidence that Brock Lesnar, who is tested and passes all tests, is/was taking steroids.
Isn’t fighter-bashing a bannable offense, especially when it’s attempted character assassination with zero evidence whatsoever?
by Hardcharger on Mar 24, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bashing? I don’t think I bashed him. I think I accused 3 actors of using steroids. Let’s look at the tape:
Other people who never tested positive for steroids: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dolph Lundgren, Sylvester Stallone.
I’m SURE they’ve never done steroids either.
Man, the longer we have these discussions, the less of my comments you seem to read. :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
You stated that Brock has a “taste for Vitamin S”, and then tried to establish some absurd guilt by association for Lesnar by claiming that 3 actors who have not failed drug tests is somehow evidence that Lesnar has/does. The logic is ridiculously bad, and continuing to cast accusations against Lesnar is character assassination and fighter bashing.
by Hardcharger on Mar 25, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I said that he had a taste for Vitamin S and implied that he was sexually attracted to Kurt Angle, but that’s down there under the heading, “Where’s the part.”
Over here I’m just pointing out that if somebody – anybody, not just Brock – wasn’t tested for steroids when they were clearly doing them, saying that they didn’t test positive much later is a bit of a disingenuous argument. Weak sauce, as they say.
And fighter bashing is different than pointing out the obvious, I think.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Brock Lesnar was the same size in college and was regularly tested for steroids then. He’s just a really big guy.
I’m not using it as an argument that he is on steroids but he is not the same size as he was in college.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
He was 270lbs with 9% body fat in college and he was known for being a weight lifting fanatic even then(heck people were joking about him looking like he should be in the WWF back in 1999). He may be a bit bigger but he isn’t any more muscular than he was in college (I doubt he is deadlifting 720lbs). He faced a lot of questions about his size coming out of high school and has always been tested for steroids because of that but the guy has basically been the same size since he started college. Could he of used, of course it’s possible but the guy has always been a huge huge man.
Compare that to Bobby Lashley who wrestled in the 170lb weight class in college and now weighs 265lbs. That is a guy who balooned up while in the WWE but Brock was pretty much the same before and after.
In college he looked much softer than he did in this picture. Can we agree on that? And that now that he’s being tested semi-regularly, he has a softer look again?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
So he looks softer? Dude was deadlifting 720lbs in college, he might of looked more defined in his pro wrestling days but that still doesn’t neccessarily mean anything. There are a lot of assumptions about the guy and steroids but he has never tested positive and he has been tested on numerous occasions going back over a decade. Unless you have something better than “he looked softer in college than in pro wresting” it’s still just speculation and that doesn’t mean much.
This isn’t a court. We’re not required to have a presumption of innocence. We don’t have to be naive. If somebody leaves a regulated sport, joins up with a group of people who are known to use steroids for a good long time, LOOKS like he’s using steroids at that time, then joins another regulated sport and looks less like he’s using steroids, that’s enough for any reasonable person.
I mean, it’s not like he was selling TVs or holding little girls’ tea parties – he was a pro wrestler. Let’s not kid ourselves: in the modern era that means steroids.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Where's the part
…that explains why he hates gay people? Until I get a good explanation (A gay man killed his dad? He feels guilty about his feelings for Kurt Angle?) for that, I don’t really care to read too much about his personal life and will stick to sniping about his taste for vitamin S.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Aren’t most wrestlers victims of sexual abuse? Am I confusing with this with another sport?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
You’re confusing pro wrestlering with a sport. :-P
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
I hate the homophobia too, but that doesn’t mean he’s cheating.
by Derek Suboticki on Mar 24, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think he’s not cheating (at the moment, and I don’t know enough about anything prior to MMA to comment), and I also think his anti-gay comments are dispicable enough that I would rather he just shut up and go away. Which sucks, cause he’s an outstanding fighter (there, I said it).
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Oh, he’s clearly not taking anything they test for now – you get no argument from me on that.
My problem is that he spent ages doing steroids and now gets an unfair advantage from it.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
I think that he was making big money as a WWE answer to the WCW’s Goldberg. He was the undefeated monster. That was many years ago though and I am not sure of my memory.
Lesnar was a monster in WWE, true. However, he wasn’t an ‘answer’ to Goldberg – Goldberg debuted in 1997, Lesnar in 2002.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 24, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A quick correction
Lesnar is on of the rare few to be able to pull off a perfect Shooting Star Press. It was damned immaculate. But a lot of stuff goes into a SSP. Not only has body placement got to be perfect, but being fast and nimble enough to pull the full flip off as well. This makes Lesnar even more a rarity due to his body type.
That being said, the SSP he was supposed to nail Angle with wasn’t a botch but negilence due to the ring crew. In order to pull a SSP really well, ring ropes had to be taut enough to allow some bounce. Something like a bow string. The ropes weren’t as taunt as it should have been and the momentum of the flip wasn’t there. So instead of pulling off a full belly flop, Lesnar ends up knocking himself stupid by landing on his head.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
All that, plus he went for that SSP on Angle despite not having done one in front of cameras for a looong time – and with Angle really far from the corner.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 24, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahah
Wow, brock is indeed a monster. Even when he screws up, it isn’t his fault.
Watch the video and try again — he fucked it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDsLELbl1c
And here’s a video of him breaking Hardcore Holly’s neck. I know, it isn’t his fault – it’s the referees fault for wearing a blue shirt, which distracted him.
Sounds like Holly was trying to mess with him and paid the price for it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Holly is an ass who has a reputation of working stiff and had several “incidents” where he hurt guys. I don’t know if Lesnar had a beef with him but it wouldn’t be surprising as both guys have ego problems.
If I remember right, Holly was refusing to cooperate in the match and when Lesnar went for the powerbomb, Holly stiffened up to make it very hard for Lesnar to correctly pull off the move. Which then resulted in Lesnar dropping him on his neck. I don’t think they had a beef before the match but I remember reading something about Holly wanting to teach the new guy a lesson and the broken neck is the result of it. I can’t recall where I read it and who it was a quote from since it was a long time ago so it may not be 100% accurate.
by RagingBoredom on Mar 24, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine it had more to do with Brocks admitted vodka induced haze than blaming the victim. I know who Holly is, I know his rep, and I know brock fucked up and broke his neck.
"On a 2002 Smackdown taping, Brock Lesnar broke Hardcore Holly’s neck with a botched power bomb. At first glance, it looks like a simple wrestling accident. However, if you watch the video over, you can see Holly fighting against Lesnar to be power bombed.
The reason: Holly refused to be power bombed by Lesnar because of the “locker room attitude” towards Lesnar. Holly was a seen as a vet in the locker room and he felt Lesnar had yet “paid his dues” in World Wrestling Entertainment since Lesner was still considered a rookie at the time.
If you don’t pay your dues, you can’t control the pace of the match. At least that’s what Holly thought, and the ironic end result was Lesnar breaking his neck. The WWE turned the injury into a brief feud having Lesnar beat Holly after Holly’s 13 month hiatus and recovery from surgery after the break"
That’s what I found on it after a quick search. Sounds like Holly’s fault to me. Of course, there’s no guarantee that it’s a fair reflection of what happened but it fits with what I heard over 6 years ago when it happened so I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt.
by RagingBoredom on Mar 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Small correction here.
To sandbag a power bomb, you basically let yourself go limp and sag to the ground. For a good power bomb to work, the recipient has to keep his abdominal muscles pretty taught. Watch the video and it’s obvious that he’s literally sandbagging the move, just sagging his way out of it, and Brock gives him the bird by just dropping him on his head.
To me, Brock did absolutely nothing wrong. Holly was messing with Brock’s career and the intended performance of the evening. He got crunched by someone who basically told him to get in line or get out of the ring. Knowing it would break his neck, I’m sure nobody would drop him on his head like that (yes, including Brock), but he absolutely deserved to be hurt for his disrespectful behavior. Jerk.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
And there we have it
No wonder Lesnar has such a sense of entitlement. NOTHING is his fault. You two can’t even agree how to give him a pass on this one. It seems that Bob Holly is both stiffened up, and went limp. Who knew Holly was such a physically gifted phenomenon?
He's hated for being involved with WWE
But one of only a few people that has truly stuck it to Vince.. Left after Vince spent years building him up and basically gave him a big fuck you by violating his ‘no compete’ clause in his contract post-WWE then went on to own him in court..
The guy should be liked by more..
As for the homophobia thing, humans are deterministic creatures, 99% of the people brought up as a country redneck in the 70’s would hold his views..
Lesnar fans are so protective
Brock Lesnar would not be so hated if he didn’t just beat Heath Herring and get a direct title shot. I don’t despise Lesnar as a person, but I hate that his WWE career allowed him to pass other worthy contenders in line for their chance at the heavyweight title. He was 1-1 in the UFC prior to his bout with Couture , so can the Lesnar fanboys understand why some hardcore fans (myself included) don’t care for him in MMA. If he proves himself in future bouts then I will cheer for him along with you, but until then he hasn’t proven to me that he is a top ten heavyweight. I know he beat Randy Couture, but please look at the fact that he is at the end of his career and a freak of nature to be able to do what he does at his age. I want to see him take on some of the talented new blood in the UFC before I’ll pay to see him.
by despisedIcon856 on Mar 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s not about being a fanboy of Lesnar it’s the fact that some people just can’t seem to get over the WWE hate for the guy. Yea Lesnar got his first title shot in his fourth professional fight but then Randy Couture also got his first title shot in his 4th fight too for that matter. No one has to like the guy (hell he is a jack ass) but good grief the “but Randy is old” excuse is getting as worn out at the “but he was in the WWE” one is. How about both sides stop making excuses and just enjoy the fights?
it’s the fact that some people just can’t seem to get over the WWE hate for the guy.
And some people use that as a cop out, and cant understand that we can legitimately think the guy is a douche after the way he acted in the ring against Herring, and in general.
Acted in the ring with Herring is a BS excuse, fighters act like that all the time without people blowing a gasket, shit a lot of guys mock bury their opponents, Josh Barnett does a throat slash, Tito Ortiz wears insulting t shirts and BJ Penn licks blood off his gloves what Brock did wasn’t that bad by comparison. There is nothing new here lots of fighters make asses out of themselves after wins, particularly when there is a grudge involved (as between Herring and Lesnar).
In general yea he’s a real prick and there is nothing wrong with disliking the guy. No one says you have to like the guy, I don’t like him myself, but good grief all the silly ass bashing of the guy just gets old. People want to call other people fan boys for not dogpiling the guy but honestly it’s the haters that seem to be the most obsessed with him for some reason, every single thing the guy does or said gets picked apart like he’s the freaken President(or Dana White).
by who me on Mar 25, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tito Ortiz wears insulting t shirts and BJ Penn licks blood off his gloves
annd those guys are also douches (in my opinion, for the mods). Saying “well look, this guy acts like a douche too!” doesn’t mean the original person in question doesn’t. Just means they are all douches (in my opinion). And walking up to a guy that you just pounded for three rounds and laughing in his face — thats a douche, a classless piece of shit douche (in my most humble opinion).
However, saying “He acts like a douche, but anyone who says so just hates him because he was in the WWE!” is a complete cop out.
Where did you get that I said that anyone who hates him just hates him because of the WWE? He just gets more hate than other guys that do the same stuff and some guys do seem to bring up the WWE every time he is mentioned like that is somehow bad for the sport.
As far as guys being douches(in your opinion) do you rant about how rotten a person Chuck Liddell is after he knocks a guy out and runs around the cage like he just won the friggen SuperBowl? How about GSP walking into the cage after a Matt Hughes fight and telling him he wasn’t impressed by his performance? It’s not that Lesnar isn’t making an ass out of himself when he does that after a fight it’s that Lesnar shouldn’t get extra flack for doing something that lots of fighters do all the time. Guys in the sport act out after fights, it happens, it’s always happened and it’s not that big of a deal.
Just so I’m clear where you’re coming from…
Can you really not see a difference between someone celebrating a win, and someone mocking an opponent he just beat? Because that could explain a whole lot about you.
Is burying your opponent celebrating or mocking?
by Derek Suboticki on Mar 25, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is screaming in their face like you’ve lost your mind considered celebrating or mocking? Is Josh Barnett’s throat slash celebrating or mocking? Would GSP going into the cage after a Matt Hughes fight be considered celebrating or mocking(what would GSP of been celebrating)? Would any of the dozen or so guys who do mock grave digging/funerals be celebrating or mocking? Do I need to ask about anything Tito Ortiz or BJ Penn ever did before or after a fight? Those were my examples that I used.
Heath Herring ran his mouth about Lesnar and Lesnar made an ass out of himself after the fight, neither of those things is anything new in the sport, hell Tito Ortiz’s antics are one of the things that made him one of the most popular MMA fighters in the history of the sport. This isn’t Croquet it’s two grown men getting in a cage and trying to beat the living crap out of each other.
If you want constructive dialogs, perhaps try and not call other people “fanboys?”
by cyph on Mar 24, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, I think it was. Not that I care much personally (even being a charter member of the BLNH club), but opening a subthread by declaring opposing opinions to be held by fanboys is pretty much the Queens Pawn opening of trolling.
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Mar 25, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hahaha
Rec’d for Queens Pawn opening reference.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 25, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Same. That was clever.
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by Richard Wade on Mar 26, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Your argument would hold weight if Lesnar didn’t proceed to go out and smash Randy Couture inside of 2 rounds – doing things that proven HWs like Gonzaga and Sylvia couldn’t do.
Lesnar got his shot due to several factors, not the least of which is his popularity and ability to sell PPVs. That’s a reality of the fight game, like it or not. But don’t forget at the time that Mir and Nogueira were already locked up in TUF and scheduled to fight in Dec. 08. Given those realities, the Lesnar-Couture fight wasn’t out of the ordinary. Some people are just mad that Brock won, and are thus trying to discredit his “worthiness” of getting the fight that he proceeded to dominate.
I’ll I want is to see him in a couple more fights, thats all. If he does well then I will shut my mouth and apologize that I ever besmirched him. Not trying to offend anybody just want him to prove himself before gets all this hype as the best heavyweight ever.
by despisedIcon856 on Mar 24, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
What about Couture?
Randy…
….couldn’t hold him down.
….got knocked out.
Doesn’t that count for something in your opinion? Not saying he’s “the best ever”, just saying he’s for real.
by nandez44 on Mar 25, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy was 45 years old, weighed like 50lbs less (wrestler vs wrestler), hadn’t fought in over a year, had legal shit going on outside the right, had a guy stalking his wife..
Doesn’t that count for something in your opinion? Not saying he’s a can, just saying he’s not the Randy that mattered.
All of that matters
and every fighter has issues outside the ring. What about Brock’s issues?
1) He had just lost by first round submission, and was being put up against a legend.
2) Every MMA site was blasting him saying, he didn’t deserve the title shot(I agreed), he wasn’t a real mixed martial artist, he was just a famous face.
Basically, everyone was questioning his legitimacy. If he would have lost to Randy, even though Randy is one of the greatest ever, people would still be screaming for him to be put out of the UFC.
Isn’t that outside pressure? Does that count for something?
Every athlete in every sport faces personal stuff, and they all have to deal with it.
Do I think Randy’s issues were a factor, of course. Is it a legitimate excuse to say it made him a different Randy? No.
In reference to their weight difference; how much did Gonzaga weigh when Randy punished him? How about Sylvia?
Randy was 45 years old, weighed like 50lbs less (wrestler vs wrestler), hadn’t fought in over a year, had legal shit going on outside the right, had a guy stalking his wife..
Doesn’t that count for something in your opinion? Not saying he’s a can, just saying he’s not the Randy that mattered.
So in a thread where you are getting peeved saying people are making excuses for Lesnar you are going to toss out an excuse for Randy Couture? There is an issue when you are calling out other people for partiality when your bias is so blantant to start with.
Not at all, hell I don’t even like Brock Lesnar and here I am defending the guy(if anything I would consider myself to be a bit pro Frank Mir). I mean seriously how are we to trust anything you say about Brock Lesnar isn’t twisted by personal bias when it’s just so blatant from you. You hate the guy and thus nitpick every little thing.
Then maybe you should stop worrying about who I like or don’t like. You have been arguing with me about why I don’t like him – which should strike you as odd by now.
I don’t care why you don’t like him I have been talking about the points people have been making about him (steroids, silly after fight antics, etc…). There is nothing wrong with disliking any fighter but the nitpicky crap gets old. Emotions in a specific point discussion makes for a mess.
Eh
You said that people hated him because he was a pro wrestler. I said it was a cop out, people hate him because he’s a douche (in my opinion). The rest was you trying to prove otherwise.
I said some people can’t seem to get over the WWE hate, when did I apply that to you? It’s not a cop out at all, you see people going on about that all the time but I never said that was the only reason or said that was the reason you hated him (I wasn’t even replying to you). Besides I was only talking about the specific point of him getting the early title shot, which is what the guy I was replying to was talking about.
Of all the different replies to different post in this rather long threat that is the one specific thing that you concentrated on? If so it would of been better if you would of taken that into the context of what it was a reply to instead of applying it to yourself personally.
Frank Mir is going to beat him and the MMA world is going to turn on it’s ear and Fedor’s mouthpiece will be telling everyone that Fedor always wanted to fight Mir but the UFC was scared that Fedor would beat him. It will be MMA bizarro world and much fun will be had by all.
Brock Lesnar is going to whup that ass.
by Derek Suboticki on Mar 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but then we’ll get to hear how the win is insignificant because he outweighed Mir by 40 lbs. at fight time, Mir was having a bad hair day, and his wife made scrambled eggs instead of sunny-side-up.
the haterism will continue, no matter who he beats. I think he’s pretty damn entertaining, so I don’t care.
SIGH.. *I’ll *should be all, I am retarded.
by despisedIcon856 on Mar 24, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
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