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Matt Hughes Still the Greatest - For Now

While watching Unleashed, I heard Mike Goldberg call Chuck Liddell "the most dominant champion EVER (emphasis Goldy's) in the UFC".  This got me thinking: is Chuck really the most dominant ever?  How do you define dominant?  Number of title fights won? Number of consecutive defenses? Method of win?  Time inside the cage?

And this in turn led me to speculate upon which current UFC champion has a chance to usurp the title of "most dominant" from whomever currently holds it.

I'll start by expressing how unfortunate was PRIDE's practice of rarely having champs defend their belts.  Fedor and Wanderlei Silva were more dominant versus their peer group in PRIDE than any fighter has ever been in the (modern - see below) UFC, and if PRIDE allowed them to defend their belt every fight, as is customary in the US, they would both compare favorably with the reign of any UFC champ.

But such is life.  Fedor and Wanderlei are both great fighters, but by a measurement of putting your belt on the line and defending it, they, sadly, are forced out of contention.

I consider only the modern era of the UFC.  Royce Gracie's impact on the sport of MMA cannot be overstated, but he fought in an entirely different era from the modern.  Weight classes, time limits, equipment limitations, rules, even the tournament vs. single fight structure all dictate that Royce's undisputed dominance over his era cannot be evaulated alongside fighters like Hughes, Liddell, Anderson Silva.

In the modern era, there are 5 dominant UFC champions: Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Anderson Silva, Georges St-Pierre. 

The critical reader may ask, "no Tim Sylvia"?  No, and it's for reasons other than personal preference that I leave the Maine-iac out of consideration.  If you count the Gan McGee fight as a loss (Sylvia won but failed his drug test and was stripped of the belt) he has a 4-5 record in title fights.

The critical reader may also ask, "no Randy"?  Randy Couture is a special unique case in the history of the UFC.  Almost every time he's fought it has been for the title, he's the oldest UFC champion ever, and he's one of only two fighters ever to hold UFC belts in two weight classes.  However, with an overall title-fight record (in the modern era, so starting with the Randleman fight) of 9-5 (that is counting the Barnett loss as a win due to the steroid issue, as with Sylvia/McGee) and a best title-defense streak of 3 (and that includes Barnett), it is difficult to consider him among the most "dominant" champions ever.  One of the greatest, however, beyond question.

From least dominant to most, then:

Georges St-Pierre
It may shock many that I rank GSP "least dominant" among the Big Five.  But the numbers don't lie. In title fights (including interim title fights, as will be the case throughout this discussion) he is "only" (quote-unquote) 5-2, with 1 decision. One of those fights went to the end of the fourth round. If you (generously) count the Serra rematch as a "defense" (since he owned the interim belt), his best streak of belt defenses is 3. Obviously he is on the uptick, going 5-1 in his last 6 title fights and riding 3 consecutive defenses - but that speaks more to future promise than past results.  For that, dear reader, read on.

Chuck Liddell
Again possibly surprising.  Most of us think of Chuck as being the guy who mowed down opponents, going 8-1 in a 40-month stretch, with all 8 by (T)KO and losing only to Rampage.  Surely he can't be only #4 of the 5 most-dominant UFC kings.  But judging by results he is appropriately placed.  He is 5-2 in title fights with 1 decision - same record as GSP - but after losing his first title fight, he did win and then defend the title four consecutive times, before losing it (likely his final title fight) to Rampage.  He went to round 4 once and round 3 once during that time.

Tito Ortiz
One of the most controversial figures in the organization's history is also one of its most easily-overlooked champions.  Part of the reason is that Tito's dominant reign ended just prior to the era of increased popularity for the sport that he helped to usher in. His title defenses aren't replayed endlessly on Unleashed, he doesn't get name-checked by Mike Goldberg 10 times a show like Liddell does, but like it or not, Tito was there and he did that.  He is 6-2 in title fights with 1 decision - one more win than Liddell or GSP, and crucially, he had more consecutive defenses than either of them. After winning the belt against Wanderlei Silva, Tito went on to defend it 5 consecutive times before losing it to Chuck.  In terms of time in the cage, beyond the decision, he saw round 3 once during this time but all other fights were first-round stoppages; and he lost his title by decision. His final title-fight was a full 3 years later, a rematch loss to Liddell well after Tito's reign was over and Chuck's was at its zenith.

Anderson Silva
While I consider Spider to be the #1 P4P fighter in the world right now, and he's as dominant a fighter as there is, he is just shy of Matt Hughes in championship dominance.  Silva is 5-0 in title fights (6-0 if you include the Lutter fight), and has 4 consecutive and running defenses (5 if you include Lutter).  Zero of those were by decision, and only one challenger saw the start of round 3.  An overwhelming, dominant streak.  But still just shades less impressive than the run of:

Matt Hughes
Another controversial fighter from the just-bygone era of the UFC.  Like Tito, and probably Chuck, Matt will never again fight for the title in the UFC, but he's already done enough to be considered the greatest champion ever. He is 9-3 in title fights (10-3 if you include the Riggs fight), with only 1 win by decision.  That's 4 more title wins than Silva (Lutter and Riggs counting), with only one decision.  The three losses may be troubling, but when you consider that one came well after he lost his belt (as with Tito), it becomes less important to the question of dominance. Hughes did see round 4 twice and 3 once during the period. Hughes' best title defense streak was 5-0, equalling Tito and (counting Lutter) Silva, with only one decision during that stretch.  But unlike Tito or Chuck (with the jury still out on GSP and Silva), Hughes went on to win BACK the title and defend it twice more (thrice counting Riggs) before the Darwinian nature of MMA supplanted his reign with that of GSP.

So now the question turns to which current champion can unseat Hughes from his perch atop the dominant-champion rankings.

First we can say who WON'T do it.  Tito Ortiz, Chuck Liddell, and Matt Hughes have almost certainly fought their last UFC title fights.  Their accomplishments are hall of fame worthy, and they are among the most dominant champs the sport has ever had; but their potential to add to their championship resume is very low.  I would consider Chuck to be "closest" for varying reasons, but I give him almost no chance to be champ again.

For the remaining champs, each faces a specific question that must be answered:

BJ Penn - Another special unique case in the UFC.  Along with Randy, the only fighter to hold UFC belts in two weight classes.  BJ is famous (or infamous) for fighting only A-level fighters, refusing to fight anyone that isn't top-10 or (usually) top-5 in a given weight class.  The question for BJ is whether he will be satisfied staying at 155 and dispatching contender after contender. My prognosis for BJ is the same as that of many other fans: if he settles down and focuses on being the best MMA lightweight ever, he will win for as long as he wants to. As it stands now, he has won the lightweight belt and defended it once, so he has considerable achievements required of him to unseat the Big Five.

GSP - Already one of the Big Five and clearly still improving.  GSP has already soundly defeated all the best UFC competition at 170 save for Thiago Alves, whom he fights next.  Should he win that fight, I see Georges ruling the welterweight roost for as long as he wants to.  The "big one" is still out there in top-5 Jake Shields, but even if Shields should come to the UFC and fight GSP for the title, I would heavily favor St-Pierre. The question with Georges is not whether he can unseat Matt Hughes, rather it is how long does GSP want to cycle through progressively weaker challengers at 170 before he decides to move up a weight class.

Anderson Silva - Speaking of middleweight, Anderson is beyond superlatives in his success at carving up the UFC 185-pound division.  Thales Leites, his next opponent, poses some interesting stylistic challenges, but I don't see him posing a big threat.  The biggest threat to Anderson's reign is a man he already beat - if Dan Henderson can beat Michael Bisping following this season of TUF, he will rematch Silva and present the Brazilian with his toughest test to date.  Should Silva see his way through that - not a given - then I see him winning for a while. Demian Maia is going to make a great challenger for Silva one day, but with Silva's huge edge in striking and top-level experience, I see that likely to end only one way.  With some retirement and pro boxing talk in recent months, the question with Silva is how long the sport can hold his interest. Another important point is that Silva is the closest of all the current champs to unseating Hughes.  With just another one or two title defenses - especially if they are finishes - he will already push clear of Hughes as the most dominant champion ever.

Rashad Evans - A long way to go, having just won the title and with zero defenses, but he has gotten a great start.  Rashad, at 29, is clearly still improving as well, and has looked great in his last 2 fights against Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin. He is unquestionably a great fighter, but for him the question to be answered is, can he retain the belt long enough to build any kind of streak in the shark tank that is the UFC 205-pound division?  Long lauded as the most exciting weight class in MMA, light heavy is packed with proven killers (Forrest, Rampage, Machida, either Silva, for starters) that will be gunning for what Rashad's got.  Time will tell but based on "removal" (or lack thereof) from clear and present dangers to the title, I consider Rashad to have a much steeper hill to climb than BJ, GSP, or Silva.

Brock Lesnar - Another very polarizing figure and in many ways the champion with the toughest future to predict. With all of four fights (three in the UFC), we have most likely not seen the best of Brock nor his weaknesses.  Frank Mir showed one weakness, but being a fighter with (at the time) exactly one fight, I wouldn't expect him now to be nearly so green on the ground as he was in that fight.  Brock certainly came to the UFC at a perfect time to allow his still-tender skills to develop: fighters like Herring, Randy and Nogueira are older and past their primes, fighters like Cro Cop, Sylvia and Werdum have moved out, half of the world's best heavyweights fight for Affliction rather than the UFC, and future superstars like Velasquez and Carwin are nearly as young in the sport as he is.  This then gives us the question Brock faces: will his technical skills grow sufficiently quickly, and in a well-rounded way, during this "amnesty period" of sorts to allow him to integrate them with his unquestioningly imposing physical gifts in a way that will allow him to reel off win after win?  Time alone will tell.

My predictions:  Anderson Silva will unseat Matt Hughes as the most dominant UFC champion ever.  GSP will win a couple more at 170 pounds and then choose to hunt bigger game at 185.  BJ will have one or two great fights at lightweight - Florian, maybe Griffin or a Sherk rematch, maybe Diego - and call it quits.  Evans will continue as a great fighter but the 205 belt will become Lyoto's, either immediately or in the future, and speculation will turn to how dominant he can be. Lesnar will continue to win for a time but ultimately will not pass the twin test of Carwin and Velasquez.

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Very cool

Going to give this a closer read tomorrow and add my two cents. Rec’d..

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting…though I doubt that Tito will ever get into the Hall of Fame so long as Dana has a vote. Rec’d

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 22, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting…though I doubt that Tito will ever get into the Hall of Fame so long as Dana has a the vote. Rec’d

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Mar 23, 2009 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tito

Will definitely get into the hall of fame. Dana doesn’t like him but he gives credit where credit is due. Tito will be in the hall of fame for sure.

by rainmaker6 on Mar 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just logged in to say wat a well thought out piece you have here. I pretty much agree with your thoughts and predictions. Rec’d

by bigislandboi808 on Mar 23, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice breakdown of past champions. I’ve got a feeling with the growth in number of fighters and events that we will be seeing guys defending more often against stiff opposition, it will be an extraordinary fighter that will fill the shoes of those you listed in the future.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Very nicely done.

I am surprised you put GSP on the list at all. I think he is great, but his dominance is yet to be written. He has only defended successfully twice, including against a LW. i know it is BJ, but the internet seems to bash him for stepping up a class, so you cant have it both ways.

I personally don’t consider Hughes to be that dominant, simply because he didn;t win most of his fights in dominant fashion, like Chuck did.

So many ways to decide this…i would probably put Silva 1st, maybe Chuck. Of course, Silva may further cement his place in the next couple of years and so could GSP.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Mar 23, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot of people rank GSP highly because he has looked so dominant lately. How often does a champion fight the legitimate #2 ranked fighter in their division and destroy him the way GSP destroyed Fitch? He has the advantage of having done his most impressive work recently.

The same argument could be made against Anderson Silva, but considering he’s cleaned out the division it’s harder to say he needs to do more.

by Andy R on Mar 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

very very good post..

i think the title could be improved, but overall, good post..

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 23, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Concur.

With that title, I came in here looking to mock.

But the post be worthy.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Mar 23, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar may be a long reigning champion – all he’s going to do is get better for the next few years.

The moral of your story is this: teach a wrestler how to punch and he’ll rule the world.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 23, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 23, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when that site was up for UFC 75, and you could cycle through all the 205ers. It’s funny that I didn’t even know who Machida was then, and H. Alexander was a legit prospect (see him over the right shoulder?). I was so certain that even with the rule changes, Shogun would buzzsaw through them….why hast thou forsaken me?

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 23, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, while Lyoto was training for “Chito”, Shogun was eating cheetohs. Lots and lots of them.

by Sam Cupitt on Mar 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every time I decide on a favorite fighter, they end up sucking. I decided it was Cro Cop, who tore through the OWGP. He’s been going down ever since. Then there was Shogun, who’s a shell of his former self. Then Penn, who looks like he didn’t even train for GSP, then bitches about losing. I don’t want to pick another favorite.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 23, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pick a guy who hasn’t already peaked next time.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 23, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I’ve learned more about the sport, I realized that’s my problem: I pick them after their Crowning Moment of Awesomeness. However, with my success rate, I’m thinking about going with Lesnar.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 23, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar’s only going to get better.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 23, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOO!

I was hoping to sabotage him! He’s got skills, and I want to like him, but then he talks

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 23, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re going to start disqualifying fighters that are homophobic pricks, we are going to quickly run out of potential champs. Just bask in his freak-athleticnessoscity, because he’s 31 and not going anywhere.

by Derek Suboticki on Mar 23, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr Numbers, you have done an outstanding job.

by Benicio on Mar 23, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Here’s where I think strictly going by the numbers does not work out. Having Tito over Chuck based purely on 1 more defense is kind of silly when comparing the level of competition they faced as champion. Ortiz beat an undersized Yuki Kondo, an undersized Evan Tanner, a one dimensional Elvis Sinosic, a fighter who was making the 205 limit for the first time, Vladimir Matyushenko and an unevolved and undersized Ken Shamrock.

Compare that to LIddell, who knocked out an undersized Horn (so far so bad), knocked out Randy Couture, knocked out a resurgent Babalu and then knocked out the man above him, Tito Ortiz.

I appreciate the article, I just thought I’d throw in my take on the process behind it.

Oh and one more thing, belt defenses should still be counted as belt defenses if the champion makes weight. Thus, Silva should be credited with a title defense for his win over Lutter. He showed up at the correct weight and defended his title against an overweight opponent.

This rule should also be applied if the challenger makes weight and the champion doesn’t. The champion forfeits the right to the belt for missing weight but the challenger shouldn’t have to. The fight should then end up with, if the challenger wins he gets the belt, if the (ex)champion wins, the belt is vacant. That’s why I believe Sonnen should have had the honor of being the last ever WEC middleweight champion. Well that’s assuming he could have avoided a submission for two more rounds.

by Sam Cupitt on Mar 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Two more rounds

..and Paulo would have been putting ghosts in armbars.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t agree more. Liddell was a more dominant champion than Ortiz and the numbers would show that had Ortiz been willing to fight Liddell earlier.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Mar 23, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a good analysis if one is interested in the most dominant champs in a quantitative sense. It doesn’t factor in quality of opponents beaten, or dominance of victories.

by Hardcharger on Mar 23, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

He dd take into account decisions and how many rounds it took for the win but yes it doesn’t take into account quality of opponents. You could compare win/loss records of opponents at that time but a lot of determining quality of opponents would be subjective because the quality of MMA fighters has grown over the years.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, you have to try to not be influenced by the overall improvement of fighters in different eras. I’m more speaking along the lines of fighting and beating more guys ranked in the Top 10 in each fighter’s weight class when the champ fought them. In many cases, the UFC has more quality guys at each weight class than they had in the past (especially now at WW and LHW).

by Hardcharger on Mar 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

A number of points..

I agree with Sam that missed-weight defenses should still be applicable. I also believe an assessment of an individual’s dominance as champion (as in, most dominant champion of all time) should be specifically relegated to their title reign (not including previous failed attempts, or future/far removed attempts), quality of opposition, manner of victory and perception during their reign. By this logic, we come to the same conclusion; Matt Hughes is the most dominant champion of all time.

I disagree with many of your very subjective comments regarding whether or not Chuck or Hughes will ever fight for the title again; you are too definitive, and while I am not a fan of either fighter, I can easily see a scenario in which either could receive a future title shot in the event of a short chain of victories and the right opportunity. Are you honestly going to tell me that GSP, who you previously indicated has little left to prove at 170, wouldn’t be asked to fight Hughes in a money match should GSP continue to successfully defend and Hughes defeats Serra and, say, the winner of Swick/Saunders or Hardy/Davis? Imagine Chuck beats a still cardio-lousy Shogun? He’s not far away— he’s fuckin Chuck Lidell.

Also, I have to take task with the assessment that talent will run out in any division at any point. This is a point I see made with regularity; but weight divisions, to steal a comment from Smoogs, have a way of replenishing themselves (ie; the recent and sudden 185 resurgence). Additionally, at BJ Penn; it is very subjective to insist that he can reign as long as he pleases, particularly in the face of his most recent performance (controversy aside) where he was completely man handled for the duration. I know, I know— that was GSP. But if you’re telling me you’d shit the bed if Sherk actually wrestled BJ and won a decision, or Kenny came in and set his world on fire, or any number of international prospects joined the fray, or Diego had the fight of his life… I just wouldn’t matter-of-factly crown BJ perpetual champion of anything after GSP made him look like a training dummy.

You may have followed the UFC line a bit too closely in determining future most-dominant champions. Say Affliction does stay around and Fedor goes on to defeat Vitor in July, Barnett in October, Mirko or Overeem in Japan on New Years, Werdum early next year and Arlovski again sometime next year? He’d certainly be favored in all of those contests. Combined with his past title reign, he would be right in the discussion.

Additionally, a guy like Miguel Torres has to be included in the future considerations section. He choked out Beebe in the 1st round for the title, TKO’d Maeda in one of the greatest fights I’ve ever seen, and TKO’d Tapia in Tapia’s first ever loss. Say he goes on to defeat Mizugaki, then Bowles in the Summer? It’ll be increasingly difficult to discount him from the conversation, given the quality of those defenses.

Good write up though— still Rec’d, perhaps uber-subjective, but quality nonetheless. Look forward to reading more material from you in the future.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Hughes will be in the title hunt again, for one who wants to see GSP vs Hughes for a 4th time, and then you have to look at the fact that Matt Hughes has already stated that he is about done fighting, there is a good chance his fight with Serra will be his last. Chuck could become resurgent in his division but then Wanderlei Silva could become resurgent at 185 and have a long title run(particularly if Anderson Silva really is close to retirement), it’s hard to tell the future. Of course time is running out for these guys to make another run as they aren’t getting any younger and the sport does take a toll on the fighters.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s all opposing speculation. Only two people have to want to see Hughes/GSP IV; Dana and Hughes. And yeah, you might say you’re not interested, but it’d do big numbers considering what else is available to GSP for big money main events within the welterweight division. Hughes has a huge ego. If he beats Serra, I’d bet most anything he isn’t going anywhere.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matches don’t get made because Dana wants to see them they get made because Dana wants to make money, if they thought there was money to be made in Hughes vs GSP 4 then yes but GSP has already dominated Hughes twice in a row, who wants to see that again? Maybe if GSP dropped the belt Hughes might get back in there(although Hughes lost to Thiago Alves too) but I don’t see where there is a big market or any fan demand for yet another Hughes vs GSP fight. Hughes could make another run but it’s doubtful at this point, at least as long as GSP holds the belt (Hughes vs BJ Penn 3 might of sold but things didn’t go that way).

Matt Hughes retiring isn’t speculation, he’s said numerous times that he has 3 or 4 fights left in him.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 or 4 fights is "about to retire"?

In what world? That’s well into 2010 for Hughes. And of course it’s speculation that he would retire before receiving another title shot, because, well, he hasn’t.

And you’re taking major liberties with my Dana comment. I’m hardly saying he’s being hand fed grapes and clapping to make two men fight at his beck and call. People will pay to watch Hughes fight GSP if Hughes wins a couple of fights and GSP retains (you know, like in the series of circumstances I specifically posed?). There is a scenario in which that is a viable fight. I never said it would be a good match up. Which one of Shamrock/Tito 1, 2 or 3 was a good fight, pray tell? And who would you suggest is more marketable to fight GSP in the case that he defeats Alves, and Hughes defeats Serra and one other top ten UFC 170 pounder? I honestly don’t see the purpose in arguing the existence of that possibility..

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes had two fights left on his contract before the Alves fight which means his contract is up after Serra. If you take Hughes at his word and he wants to fight one or two fights after the Serra fight(he said three or four before the Alves fight and before the 3rd GSP fight) then when is he going to get back into title contention? I can see Koscheck or Fitch or Carlos Condit getting a shot before Hughes gets a 4th fight with GSP. Heck with a couple more wins people will start talking about Marcus Davis being in line for a shot on top of that you got BJ Penn and his mother going off the deep end to get him another fight with GSP and Dana hinting at a GSP vs Anderson SIlva mega-fight. GSP has plenty to keep him busy and Matt Hughes is more worried about fighting on the same card with his brother before he retires than retooling for another title run. We are talking about a guy who’s lost 3 of his last 4 fights getting ready for his 50th MMA fight in a division where the current champion has all sorts of potential fights in front of him(in and out of the division). Can it happen, yes anything is possible but it just doesn’t seem very likely at this point.

I’m not talking any liberties with your comment but you seem to be getting overly upset about the disucssion for some reason, chill out we are just talking about MMA on the internet.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Upset? Come on d00d.. We’re just jiving..

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

GRRRRRR!!

Who knew you couldn’t argue without curtseying after each retort..

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 23, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I wanted to argue I’d get off the computer and spend time with my wife :D

I was just having a friendly discussion about Matt Hughes career. It’s rare anyone discusses him without it involving bibles and country breakfast.

by who me on Mar 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that Dana isn’t going to feed Hughes to GSP one more time. He does have common sense, and the way GSP and Alves Manhandled Hughes was a clear message that Hughes’ title hopes are over. He’d have to beat atleast one, maybe two top guys to even be considered, and Serra isn’t that guy. Who’d he beat? Fitch? Kos? Alves? Hazlette? It’s really hard imagining Hughes take those dudes on, much less beating two of them in a row. Hughes, after Alves became the Rich Franklin of the Welter, with less career ahead of him.

But you know that Dana would love to get Chuck in another title match, unfortunately Chuck would have to beat someone really good after beating Rua. If he beats Rua, and then maybe beat Forrest, then you could potentially see him in a title match. I personally doubt he’s going to rattle off two wins in a row against top 5 competition though. But it’s possible, and he still has Dana behind him I think.

by Dooda on Mar 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you posed a scenario that lands on one end of my equation. If he wins two fights, he’d be heavily considered. You think Dana would keep him out at arms length? You know how much dude makes per fight? Let’s keep in mind, I in no way intimated that he would win two fights in a row. It’s a hypothetical based on a sequential what if scenario. In fact, I personally believe he won’t. Would I say it’s impossible? Of course not. I wouldn’t have posed such a series of potential circumstances if it were as far a reach as saying Luke Cummo is going to fight for the title in six months. There’s a huge difference between calculating a chain of probabilities and deliberately predicting them. This is actually the first time in this thread I’ve applied my personal opinion of whether or not Hughes could do it. Probably not. But he’s going to get favorable treatment if he does well, because he’s Matt Hughes.

"I hit [Evensen], and you could just see it in his head. He went, 'Oh, man. We don't have to do this anymore. I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm going to go home now." -Pat "The Real Techno Viking" Berry

by Blackout612 on Mar 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he beats two top guys after Serra then the question would still be if he was planning on retiring (that would be 4 fights from when he made his statement about having 3 or 4 fights left in him). Matt Hughes could go on a roll, Chuck Liddell could go on a roll, hell Justin McCully could go on a roll and end up fighing Lesnar in 2011 for all we know but it’s very doubtful knowing what we know at this point, which was the point that was started with.

by who me on Mar 24, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tito went on to defend it 5 consecutive times before losing it to Chuck.

He lost it to Randy…

Nice work.

by michaelgaryscott on Mar 23, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Very enjoyable article. Rec’d.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 23, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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