Vancouver BC Considering Regulating MMA
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Hey all. So I write for a newspaper up here in Vancouver Canada, and over the past year I've managed to convince my editors that MMA is worth supporting.
At first it was tough. I was told it was 'too tacky' and that newspaper readers aren't interested in such pursuits. So I kind of... uh... broke the rules.
I came in one Saturday night and put an article about a UFC event on the paper's website, then snuck out..
Well, it's been a big success since. Last year, 4 of the top 10 most visted articles across the entire chain of newspapers were our MMA pieces. Now I get calls from corporate asking if I'll be covering an event because, and I quote "we're relying on this stuff.."
Much success, high five.
But all was not well in Van land, as the local council (and it's municipalities that have to regulate combat sports up here) was a little scared that MMA events might be a liability nightmare, so they de-regulated the sport here in Sept. 2007.
Today, this is finally looking like it might change.
Behold, the culmination of a year of pushing: I called every Mayor and a ton of local councilors and asked them, "Okay, what's your problem with MMA?", then I called every local fighter, trainer, promoter - and Marc Ratner at the UFC (who is the nicest guy in the world) and John Prisco at the XFC (also a great guy) - to answer those questions.
And my bosses, who run a legacy 'paper of record' in this town, gave me a full page to work with.
A selection follows:
[Richmond councilor] Bill McNulty: "I would want to see a proposal. I personally have seen it on TV and turned it off, but that's me personally. I'd want to see a proposal of what the whole program would entail."
Marc Ratner: "I would fly to Vancouver immediately with some of our other people if any commission needed our help to sort through the process. We'd be there in a second. In fact, I'd be there Thursday but unfortunately I'll be in Toronto that day talking to their commission. ... Today I talked to Philadelphia, Phoenix, they're all saying, 'When are you coming?' The answer is, invite us out and we'll be there -- no question."
John Prisco: "When Tennessee was thinking about approving MMA, they had no idea how to do it. They didn't know insurance, rules, equipment, so we flew up and spent a week with them, working through the details. Once they had a handle on it, they regulated and we not only ran a show weeks later that drew 5000 people, but we also set up a permanent gymnasium there to help the locals learn about the sport, train in it, and make it part of their daily lives. We don't just want to hold an event and make a bit of money, when we come to town, we're looking to stay and build an industry around it. You spend a lot of money marketing to a city population, it doesn't make sense to spend all that and never come back. So whatever a local commission needs as far as advice and help, we'll make the time.
Sun reader EastVanDude: "I shudder to think what sort of impact this sort of activity will have on kids. Fighting in a cage - it's like Thunderdome."
Adam Ryan, trainer/fighter at Vancouver's Dynamic MMA: "A lot of our clientele now is high schoolers, a huge amount of them. I've worked with some people who might, as teenagers have had troubled pasts who are now living really clean lives, stopped getting in trouble. Had parents telling me, 'Thank you so much, my kid isn't getting in trouble any more with all the time and energy he's putting in at the club.' The Vancouver Canucks have sent their prospects to train with us for the last two years. It instils discipline and people are surprised to hear it teaches you restraint."
Bill Mahood: "People get obsessed by the cage, but it really isn't a 'two men enter, one man leaves' thing at all. If you've ever seen MMA in a boxing ring, you're constantly having fighters get tangled in ropes, even spill out of the ring. You have to keep restarting the fight, it really becomes a hurdle to having a good fight. The cage gives you something you can lean against, roll up against, and not worry about it. It keeps the action in the middle. It's a little harder to watch live, unfortunately, but it's there for a good reason that pertains to the sport, not to keep people from escaping."
This morning, Joe Rogan will walk into the Richmond town hall, just across the water from Vancouver, and make the case for MMA. With him will be a host of local MMA kids and trainers. Hopefully the Mayor and council will have a copy of today's paper in front of them.
And next Thursday, Vancouver council receives a report from city staff that asks them to either ban MMA for good, or approve it, with a clear indication from staff that the latter would be the better option (including police recommendations and details of the sort of financial potential involved).
I can't say that we'll have UFC shows in Vancouver in a year, but I can say that the entire industry up here, and at least my corner of the press, is doing everything possible to make it happen.
You can help. Go visit the article linked above and leave a comment, answering anything that we missed and telling folks why you love MMA. The more people hit it, the more of those my bosses will ask for, and the more likely we'll conquer another holdout territory of the sport.
Thanks. Oh, and try not to beat on me for including Kalib Starnes. That cat was the first local MMA guy to talk to me about why I should be covering the sport, and he's been a great source since.
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I caught your email, but thanks for putting this here. I’d write on it, but I’m behind on work…again.
by Luke Thomas on Mar 20, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid piece, good to see MMA getting its fair shake in British Columbia.
Editor-in-chief of MMA-Analyst.com
by Leland Roling on Mar 20, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
High 5 indeed!
At first it was tough. I was told it was ‘too tacky’ and that newspaper readers aren’t interested in such pursuits. So I kind of… uh… broke the rules.
I came in one Saturday night and put an article about a UFC event on the paper’s website, then snuck out..
Well, it’s been a big success since. Last year, 4 of the top 10 most visted articles across the entire chain of newspapers were our MMA pieces. Now I get calls from corporate asking if I’ll be covering an event because, and I quote “we’re relying on this stuff..”
Much success, high five.
Awesome! Rec’d!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 20, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone go post a comment – http://www.vancouversun.com/Sports/battle+over+mixed+martial+arts/1408689/story.html
by Nick Thomas on Mar 20, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 20, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good work Ozzz!
As a journalist myself, I know how risky that kind of maneuver can be. But you believed in it and now it’s paying off!
Keep up the good stuff!
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 20, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You ain't kidding.
I honestly thought when I came in Monday and my boss pulled me aside, I was done for. Then he told me it was the biggest piece in the chain that weekend, I thought he was just being cruel before he told me I was gone. Heh.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the time frame of the snuck in article? which event was it about? Is it still posted? I would liek to have a look.
by szucconi on Mar 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was about a year ago
..on our old site. Would have been around UFC 84 or so, if memory serves.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job, man. I think we’ve e-mailed back and forth before about BC MMA – I’m in Victoria, and I’ve been writing for a couple of small blogs about Canadian MMA issues – and it’s great to see that you’re keeping the discussion in front of the “big boys”.
We’ll get there… It’s amazing how peoples’ minds can be changed when they don’t have the economic luxury of selective bias.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 20, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There'll always be those who just don't want it.
Speaking to those mayors and councilors, I was actually quite depressed how many had either a 1993 view of what MMA was, or worse. I honestly think the biggest thing that has set back the sport in the last five years has been Spike TV’s promos, which seem to highlight blood and brutal beatings, rather than the many areas of the sport that are genuinely skillful.
I understand that’s what makes people crank their necks looking, but ultimately it hurts more than helps.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh absolutely. It’s the great problem of MMA: those making the decisions on whether or not to allow it are under no obligation whatsoever to know anything about the sport. Councilors, etc., can sit back and make uninformed, polemical statements and smile and get away with it. I remember the collective facepalm across the internet during the American government debates on internet regulation a few years ago, where two politicians were basically laughed out of the debate for arguing whether the internet is a series of tubes or a bunch of trucks. There’s nowhere near the outrage/disbelief (at least, in the general public) when ignorant politicos make similar comparissons for MMA (gladiators, cock fighting, etc.). And you’re right: how the sport is marketed in North America really doesn’t help. Imagine if the marketing was more like the artistic, stylized (and, frankly, pretty epic) work that comes out of Japan…
I maintain, though, that the biggest barrier to MMA regulation in BC right now is the Olympics. So many people think that 2010 is going to be a panacea for all that ails Vancouver, and it’s being used as an excuse to gentrify the entire city, to the exclusion of anything that might be controversial, including MMA. Apparently, to host the Olympics successfully, you have to transform the city into the most boring, generic place on earth.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 20, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points all
But I think the Olympics will actually help a lot.
There are a great number of new arenas in BC that, after the Olympics are done, will need to be filled. The pressure will be on to find something that can run on a regular basis to do that.
Where the Olympics may get in the way is, the city is so busy with it, they might push things back for fear of adding to their already crowded plate.
But we’ll see. :)
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
congrats on the Whitecaps inclusion into MLS in 2011. The renovated BC Place looks awesome, I live south of Seattle, WA but I’ve been to Vancouver before (randomly wanted to watch a CFL game), beautiful city, I imagine MMA would be huge there like it is in the rest of the Pac NW, yet the UFC apparently hasn’t figured that out yet and goes to places like Nebraska instead of Seattle or Portland, ridiculous…
by Reaser on Mar 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland is coming, man.
Out of the mouth of Ratner yesterday afternoon, Portland is on the way.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, got announced this morning, keeping the Timbers name which is a smart move also…Sounders, Whitecaps and Timbers, starting in 2011 the Pac NW will “BE” North American Soccer…
by Reaser on Mar 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya, but Portland has already “lost” two UFC events already, and 101 was rumored Portland but now rumored to be Philly…I’ll believe it when I see it…either way, should have been here a long time ago…hopefully soon, had to goto Vegas for all my UFC events, and having lived there making that trip all the time isn’t as cool as it would seem…
by Reaser on Mar 20, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived there for a year too.
Gotta say, I miss it.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, absolutely, AFTER the Olympics, when “the world” is no longer watching Vancouver and the city is left with a bunch of really expensive, empty sports venues… But until then, public image rules the day.
And the non-competition thing is a good point, too. VANOC are VERY aggressive about that. THe Provincial govt (most ministries) had to agree not to hold ANY events in Vancouver not only during the Olympics, but for several months on either end of the Olympics. Not even 10 people in a hotel conference room two months after the Olympics are over.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 20, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hallelujah, Ozzz! You are the man. I can speak for about thirty people out in the valley here and say “Thank You”. Abby’s got your back.
by bubbafat on Mar 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Awesome job man. Way to take initiative.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I commented.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 20, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great article, I commented.
luckily here in Alberta we’re allowed to hold MMA events. I hope that BC opens their eyes and the politicians educate themselves on what MMA is and what i can mean economically for their communities.
by pr0cs on Mar 20, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah bring UFC here, we can provide a huge crowd of douchebags for sure
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Mar 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article, Ozzz.
At first it was tough. I was told it was ‘too tacky’ and that newspaper readers aren’t interested in such pursuits. So I kind of… uh… broke the rules.
You stuck your neck out, and it worked! As a fellow Vancouverite, I salute you good sir!
Vancouver is in a really interesting position now. We want to be a world class city, but we are paying for it dearly at the moment. We’re facing a massive debt load due to our commitments to the Olympics and finishing the Olympic Village, which will cost up to a billion dollars or more. The city’s credit rating has been cut down due to worries over the amount of debt it has taken on, which means any future money the city borrows will be more expensive, costing the tax payers more money. On top of this, you have the businesses on Cambie street who suffered through the Cambie skytrain construction for years with the promise of economic benefits later, only to continue to suffer economically to the point where some business owners are now sueing the government.
Long story short, legalizing MMA would only be a good thing. If Vancouver aims to be a world class city, we should be able to hold world class events. It makes perfect sense, as well as economic sense.
Oh yeah: rec’d all over this mofo.
by pud333 on Mar 20, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Good stuff, sir. Best of luck today and in the future.
P.S. This is already the #10 most rec’d post ever on BE.
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 20, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should post a Top 10 retrospective with links to the others…
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Mar 20, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea! For now...
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by Chris Nelson on Mar 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yes. Grassroots movement FTW.
If I could rec this 10 times I would.
by Tonley on Mar 20, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep the battle going!!!
Jeez…. it’s about time to wake up B.C.
We need to get the mma scene happening here in the west bigtime!!
You’ve got my support here in the good ol’ Okanagan valley.
Let us know how we can help!
by sinister1 on Mar 20, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ozzz is a fabulous person!
I live in Vancouver and train BJJ at Gracie Barra. I have been waiting patiently for MMA to get a shot at making its case in front of counsel, and now that it is I’m definitely excited.
Ozzz, you rock bro, great job with the paper and everything.
by PansyMcBear on Mar 20, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys.
I can say I’m truly humbled, both by the response on our site, and the response here.
But any props that you wanna send me should be sent to the people who pay my wages and give me the room, encouragement, direction and inspiration to not just cover this sport, but also the grassroots people that make it tick.
At a time when so many newspapers are falling over, it’s tremendous to work with people who will give something like MMA a real look and lead on the issue, rather than waiting for everyone to jump on.
By the way, looks like we’re giving Ratner the op-ed column on Wednesday or so to make the UFC’s case before the council goes into session. Very psyched.
If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.
by Ozzz on Mar 20, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, looks like we’re giving Ratner the op-ed column on Wednesday or so to make the UFC’s case before the council goes into session.
That is crazy cool.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Mar 20, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

















