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After Knockout From Damacio Page, Marcus Galvao Appears to Have Seizure

I do like Versus and their overall product, but it is simply not acceptable for they and the WEC to air a fight where a fighter suffers this kind of horrible injury without acknowledging this fact and then subsequently following up with a medical update. This sport has consequences and they shouldn't be disguised for purposes of sanitized entertainment. Maggie Hendricks chimes in:

Here is the huge problem with that. This fight was on the undercard, so by the time it was broadcast, the production team knew that Galvao was taken to the hospital. It's understandable that Versus and the WEC would not want to show video of a man possibly seizing. Not only would that turn off viewers, the fighter himself probably would not want images of his reaction broadcast around the world. But it is not okay for Versus to completely ignore Galvao's injury. It could have been as simple as Todd Harris or Jens Pulver mentioning after the Galvao/Page fight aired that Galvao was taken to the hospital after his fight, and viewers should check out the WEC Web site to find out about Galvao's condition. 

Fighting isn't a pretty sport. The referees are there to lessen the damage, and in that regard, Ramos failed Galvao. The cable networks and their production teams are there to show the sport, and in that regard, Versus failed you.

UPDATE By Kid Nate: Fortunately Galvao is alright after being examined at the hospital and released.

I am less critical of Referee Rafael Ramos than Hendricks is: Ramos was a little out of position and stopped the fight as soon as he had a good angle on the action. Possibly he could have done better, but I'm not in a good position to judge on that.

I couldn't agree more with Maggie's point on Versus failing the fighters and fans by not giving us an update on Galvao's condition. In 2009 there are too many ways for people to get information for a cable network and a fight promoter to conspire to sweep the ugly reality under the rug.

MMA is about people fighting. Grown men, highly trained athletes are locked in a cage trying to hurt each other. That's the reality of the sport. The beauty comes from the bravery, skill, heart, determination that the athletes display while attacking and defending. Nevertheless, sometimes a fighter is going to get hurt. When that happens the promoters and broadcasters have an obligation to report accurately on the events transpiring in the cage.

As this case shows, the truth will out remarkably quickly in the 21st Century. There's no percentage in trying to sweep reality under the rug.

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I did not see this event,

was Ramos the ref, what did he do?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Mar 2, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, Ramos was the ref and his stoppage was about as good as you could ask for in this situation. He saw that Galvao was still propping himself against the fence when he went down, scrambled behind Page to get a better view, and then stopped the fight as soon as he saw the reality of the situation. Cofield is being a genuine asshat in trying to pin any sort of blame on Ramos in this one.

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Correction: Maggie Hendricks is the asshat, not Steve Cofield

Also, after the initial knockdown, Galvao not only starts to position himself against the fence with his arm but is also raising his legs to pull guard, aka the exact reason Josh Koscheck supporters have been crying early stoppage for a week. By the time his legs and arms went stiff from the additional punches, Ramos was stepping in.

At worst, Galvao took one more punch here than absolutely necessary. The problem is Damacio Page punches really fucking hard.

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a Hendricks fan

I’m sorry, but she time and time again pushes these articles, and I think that most of the time, she’s wrong, wrong, wrong.

I was a tough situation because of where the referee was standing, so I’m not going to go crazy over this stoppage.

And honestly, I don’t understand all the blasphemy over the WEC not mentioning it. You do realize that Zuffa wants nobody to know that happened, right? It’s their agenda. Yeah, mentioning it would have been nice, but I understand why they don’t do so. They don’t want to alarm network people, newspaper writers, and generally have all sorts of ridiculous blasting from non-MMA media. It’s an exposure issue.

Is that right? No, but I think it’s dumb as hell that some writers can’t figure out WHY.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

the WHY is obvious

I’d like Zuffa to realize what time it is and start taking a more proactive stance on things like this.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is no different from the NFL

when a guy breaks his leg or something. They pull the footage as soon as they can. I agree they should have done an update, but I understand why they did not want to draw attention to this.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Mar 2, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the problem...

The WHY isn’t obvious to some people, and then it gets completey lambasted all over the place in a huge debatable issue that won’t ever be remedied. Zuffa doesn’t want that crap on TV because they know the bad media it’ll get. Some writers don’t understand that.

Now, stating that hey… Galvao was taken to the hospital, but he has been released. That would be nice, kind of like having a sideline reporter at WEC, much like what NFL games do, etc. Sideline guy gets the info, commentators inform. That would be fine, but I understand why Zuffa is all hush hush.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand why they're doing it

but it’s a doomed policy in this day and age.
The reality is this is a very dangerous game and they need to be reinforcing that message at every turn with lots of emphasis on the doctors and all the precautions they take.
That way when the inevitable live leg break (or worse) happens they can survive it.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that comment. They do need to reinforce the issue of safety much more.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re completely correct. Blaming Ramos in any way for Galvao being hurt is completely irresponsible. Versus and the WEC could have handled the situation far better, but Ramos did a good job, in my opinion.

by Cannon Jacques on Mar 2, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Looking at the GIF, it’s definitely a good call. Ramos gave Galvao a chance to pull guard, but Galvao simply ate a huge right. Yeah, it hits home at the debate we had here awhile ago about Koscheck-Thiago, but Galvao was trying to pull his legs up for guard.

Good stoppage IMO.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That is what I was trying to figure out.

This looked like a very good job officiating to me.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Mar 2, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a good stoppage. I have no idea what Hendricks is talking about.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Mar 2, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Few do.

I will play my game beneath the spin light.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Mar 3, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The GIF

Really makes it seem slower than it actually happened, The ref got in there as soon as he got around and saw the action.

At what point does the other fighters responsibilities include the safety of the other fighter, I think we all knew that extra punch wasn’t necessarily necessary

all you gotta do is...

by imapimp08 on Mar 3, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

that he should have stopped that last punch but I think it only looks bad in hindsight because he started seizing. If the guy was fine no one would be talking about the stoppage.
All in all it looks like they did a good job. The ref immediately called for the doctors to hurry and within 30-40 seconds there were 5 guys in the cage to attend to the fighter. I don’t want to see people get hurt like that but its good to see an organization like the wec have all the proper trained medical staff on hand (even if most of the doctors were hired by the commission)

by Bucco169 on Mar 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Ramos failed?

Page delivered the extra punch that everyone wanted to see on Koscheck. Now we see the consequences of late stoppages and the idea that “a few extra hammerfists” is not going to cause any harm. Tell that to this guy’s family.

"It's like a flying knuckle sandwich." --Rogan
"And many men have eaten it." -- Goldy

by thetakeover on Mar 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Listen to MMA Nation from this past Saturday

Jordan Breen was on to defend his ideas about his article and that issue.

by Luke Thomas on Mar 2, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He's still wrong

but at least he’s sticking to his guns I suppose

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 2, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I really enjoy Jordan’s shows and scribblings, and generally agree with him, but I really can’t get my head around his logic on this. I’m glad you agree, I was beginning to think I was dense.

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the most..

disappointed I’ve been in someone I respect in the MMA community in a while. I mean, I’m sure my disappointment in him isn’t keeping Jordan up at night or anything…but still

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 2, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

An early stop is much preferable to a late stop. I didn’t think this was really a late stop here but it does show the dangers of guys taking extra shots like that.

by who me on Mar 2, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This wasn’t even the same type of situation. The Koscheck incident had the referee running in, and he stopped it. Koscheck was priming to defend. In that situation, I think fans would call for some action to continue.

This situation, the referee was completely blocked by the fighter’s body, couldn’t see jack all, then he runs in while Page is basically crushing him. It just doesn’t strike me as the same situation.

Had Ramos been in the midst of the KO, it would have likely been a very early stoppage due to the fact that Page was basically KO’d standing for a second.

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by Leland Roling on Mar 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI

Maggie Hendricks wrote the post you’re quoting here, not Cofield.

by thepenismightier on Mar 2, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

Ah, that explains it. Maggie Hendricks is an idiot.

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

fixed

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Mar 2, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine Versus or the WEC wanting to show the guy going into convulsions (imagine what the guy in New York would do with that kind of footage) but they should do a better job letting the fans know the condition of the fighters involved.

by who me on Mar 2, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

ratings

Don’t quote me on this, but I’m listening to Sherdog radio and I believe Jack Encarnacao just said the overnight ratings for WEC 39 showed 497,000 viewers. If this is accurate, it’s another huge drop down from the WEC’s apex (Faber-Pulver I, over 1 million viewers) and a considerable drop from even WEC 38 (700,000).

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

Seems about right. Garcia was the only fighter on the card getting lots of hype. Mike Brown, the champion, seems to get about 1/10th the attention that Urijah Faber gets when he fights.

by smoogy on Mar 2, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown seemed really awkward on the mic, which sucks cause he is a really good fighter but that is gonna affect his popularity =(

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 2, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

FU-..

Kuwabara Kuwabara

by J. B. Maddox on Mar 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that part was pure gold, but the rest…I felt bad for him =(

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 2, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

497,000 viewers. If this is accurate, it’s another huge drop down from the WEC’s apex (Faber-Pulver I, over 1 million viewers) and a considerable drop from even WEC 38 (700,000).

Its a drop, but it still shows the WEC is still gaining viewers. That number matches the number of the Faber/Brown matchup. Considering the fact that Brown isn’t a draw yet and neither was Garcia, and the fact that the rest of the main card lacked draws, still pulling that many viewers is a good sign.

by Michaelthebox on Mar 2, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

WEC 40 should probably get a significant increase, even if only from areas around Chicago.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Mar 2, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I will play my game beneath the spin light.

by Eugene Schelfaut on Mar 3, 2009 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If he is hurt, I want an update. If he isn’t, I don’t care. I assume they are okay.

Some people want them to show the KO’d fighters. I say no. They did that with Matt Lindland, and it was not good for the sport.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Mar 2, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The video was removed

and here we go. Kos was stopped too soon, this one too late..

Seriously, refs can’t win at all. People always need someone to blame.

by mythbuster on Mar 2, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Does boxing cover injuries like you are requesting? Why should the UFC spend time showing us paramedics attending to unconscious fighters, instead of interviewing the winner and showing us more fights. Its a given a fighter has a severe concussion after a knockout. I don’t know why some people want a camara in a fighters face while he is recovering or being tended too.

by Dropkick434 on Mar 2, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

I found this alternate link for the video, in case anyone missed it:
http://rapidshare.com/files/204573623/page-galvao-crowd-view.flv

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by Chris Nelson on Mar 2, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

If he is hurt, I want an update. If he isn’t, I don’t care. I assume they are okay.

My thoughts exactly this is a non-issue, Galvao is fine and scaring people by seeing him convulsing in the cage benefits no one.

by Raker on Mar 3, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions  

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